Why Sam Allardyce is a Lot Different than Souness

There are reports that Newcastle Chairman Freddy Shepherd is trying to gauge the reaction of the fans to Sam Allardyce as Newcastle Manager – before he names Sam as our new manager next week.

Some supporters are even comparing Allardyce’s appointment to that of Graeme Souness – who in September 2004 was a shock choice as manager – right out of left field (translation –right out of the blue).

We think there is very little similarity between the two appointments.


Sam Allardyce “What is he doing??”

The appointment of Souness was greeted with silent dismay by the Newcastle fans – mainly because Souness didn’t exactly have a good track record in management (forget about Rangers in the Scottish Premiership) – and seemed to argue with a number of his players – who subsequently would leave.

Souness always argued with that portrayal of him – but true to this reputation – within four months Craig Bellamy departed on loan to Celtic – then onto Blackburn – then to Liverpool – never to return.

Certainly Shepherd was shocked at the cold reception of the fans to Souness as Newcastle manager – who was sacked a short 17 months later.


Greame Souness

But remember Sam Allardyce was first choice in 2004 – but turned Newcastle down because he was unwilling to walk out on Bolton.

Similarly – next in line, Newcastle native Steve Bruce, was subsequently courted by Shepherd – but he too, after reviewing the situation, turned Newcastle down.

Steve Bruce then had a poor season – which ended with Birmingham being relegated – but to be fair to Steve he has brought Birmingham back up at the first try.

Souness’ appointment in 2004 was a lot different than this time – so why is it different with Allardyce?

There are a number of reasons.

  • Allardyce seems to handle star players very well – you never heard of any problems with his players at Bolton – and they always seemed to give 100% on the field.Allardyce had to pick up a lot of older players – because he didn’t have the finances for younger more expensive players.
    Players he brought in were thought to be past their prime but somehow they all seemed to play well at Bolton.A good example for Newcastle fans is Gary Speed – who joined them just before the 2004-2005 season – and just before Bobby Robson was sacked by Newcastle.
    Gary has performed admirably for Bolton since then – we should never have let him go.
  • Don’t expect Allardyce to spend huge amounts in the transfer market – for one thing we don’t have the money right now.
    We honestly believe if you compare Bolton’s and Newcastle’s squads this year – Newcastle have a better squad than Bolton – and we believe if we didn’t buy anybody in the summer – it would still be possible – under Allardyce’s management for Newcastle to finish in the top six.
    There will be comings and goings – for example – if Sam brings in Kevin Nolan then one of our midfielders will need to move on.
    We will also need to bring in some defenders – as others will be moved out.
    We don’t need to buy any strikers – assuming Owen doesn’t fly the coup.
    As we all know Souness spent close to ₤50M on players who included Boumsong and Luque- enough said.
  • Sam has had good success in the Premiership – at a very unfashionable club.
    Other managers who have done this in the past and gone onto have greater managerial success include Alf Ramsey (Ipswich), Bobby Robson (Ipswich), Martin O’Neil (Leicester City) , Brian Clough (Hartlepool United) – so Sam is in good company there.

It’s true that not all fans are warm to Sam Allardyce as the new Newcastle manager – and we understand that – but if he can get the same out of the players at Newcastle – that he did consistently at Bolton – we are in for a much better season next year.

Hey – maybe we’ll actually win something! 😀

Well – that’s how we feel about it – let us know your opinions and ideas on this topic.

16 comments so far

  • W

    May 11, 2007 at 6:03 PM

    Comment #1

    Excellent point there about him being able to get the best out of this current team without chopping and changing. I too believe this team is a top 6 team.

  • Mitch2k7

    May 11, 2007 at 6:07 PM

    Comment #2

    Good Luck To Him

  • Dave

    May 11, 2007 at 6:19 PM

    Comment #3

    Good read and I agree Sam should get the job because he will push us up that table and wont take any crap from fred

  • Ed Harrison

    May 11, 2007 at 6:30 PM

    Comment #4

    W – think we will still have the clear-out in the summer but Sam could bring in 5-6 players – and not pay a whole lot for them – like he did at Bolton – that would be good for Newcastle.

  • Mick G

    May 11, 2007 at 6:41 PM

    Comment #5

    I agree with your comments..Frightened to say it ,I have a good feeling about Allardyce.

  • Red Ranter

    May 11, 2007 at 7:54 PM

    Comment #6

    Thanks for the change! Agree with your points. For once, Shepherd is doing something good. Hopefully the fans will also see the good in that.

  • gordon

    May 11, 2007 at 7:56 PM

    Comment #7

    If anyone is comparing allardyce to souness then they really need to wake up.

  • marksow

    May 11, 2007 at 8:29 PM

    Comment #8

    I don’t know about anyone else but I feel really disillusioned by the last few seasons and just to go back to basics, build a solid platform and progress from there will be very refreshing. Allardyce can clear out the dead wood, give us a no-nonsense approach which we/he can build on in the coming years. You can’t get attractive football overnight.

  • W

    May 11, 2007 at 9:17 PM

    Comment #9

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=I0f0ai5blUk souness cameo

    the entertainers indeed.

    Look at how Shearer handled it brilliantly.
    I wish i was in that dressing room after that match. Nothing beats reality tv.
    Wish i can fast forward in time to Shearer’s manangerial era

  • W

    May 12, 2007 at 1:01 AM

    Comment #10

    Seem nail on allardyce will be the manager after meetings have been held between sheperd and sam. Too bad have to wait all summer.

  • Ed Harrison

    May 12, 2007 at 8:08 AM

    Comment #11

    I saw that – looks like he was the only one considered – and Sam’s excited – as is Shepherd – think Sam’s going to be good for us.

  • Ed Harrison

    May 12, 2007 at 1:53 PM

    Comment #12

    Marksow – completely agree with your comments.
    At least Allardyce has good track record.
    We need some success next season – top six is good enough – but then it will be how do we break into top 4.
    Must keep Owen.

  • Ed Harrison

    May 12, 2007 at 1:56 PM

    Comment #13

    W – thanks for the video – that episode was a disgrace.
    It was even shown over here – as example of how bad things can get in a team.
    You’re right Shearer told them to get in front of the cameras – and sort it out themselves.
    The episode stained Newcastle’s good name.
    BTW – Geordie fans would be surprised how well known and popular Newcastle are outside England.

  • john marshall

    May 12, 2007 at 6:09 PM

    Comment #14

    I diagree with you when you say that the present squad could be in the top six with good management,our defence for a start is very poor and we need a playmaker as emre and dyer don’t seem to be doing it on the field.as for big sam I think he will do well for us.

  • Ed Harrison

    May 12, 2007 at 8:14 PM

    Comment #15

    John – admit we probably would need at least one center half – but now expect Sam to bring in 5-6 new players – and clear out all the deadwood (hopefully).

  • ryan

    May 21, 2007 at 9:52 AM

    Comment #16

    Heya am a toon supporter and Top six wont happen a seem to think top four because Arsenal seem to have an indifferent season most of the time and Liverpool never do well domestically so seems a good shot


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