Comments on: Allardyce Has Reduced Control Because of Contract Clauses http://www.nufcblog.com/2007/06/29/allardyce-has-reduced-control-because-of-contract-clauses/ News, Views and Comment On Newcastle United Football Club By Ed Harrison, A Proud Geordie And Lifelong Fan Thu, 18 Mar 2010 04:53:34 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: sagar http://www.nufcblog.com/2007/06/29/allardyce-has-reduced-control-because-of-contract-clauses/comment-page-1/#comment-4739 sagar Sun, 01 Jul 2007 23:00:59 +0000 http://nufcblog.com/allardyce-has-reduced-control-because-of-contract-clauses/#comment-4739 john utaka oba' martins is around 22 years.very young, got potential to improve under big sam. no need to sell him. and shola, i wouldnt sell him either, he has shown promise in europe and in the league, he just needs to get back to full fitness and hopefully can do wel under Big Sam. if there was anyone i woulld sell it would be michael owen who for all we know might get injured again at the start of the season.and well most fans have turned against him. john utaka
oba’ martins is around 22 years.very young, got potential to improve under big sam. no need to sell him.
and shola, i wouldnt sell him either, he has shown promise in europe and in the league, he just needs to get back to full fitness and hopefully can do wel under Big Sam.
if there was anyone i woulld sell it would be michael owen who for all we know might get injured again at the start of the season.and well most fans have turned against him.

]]> By: Man U Football » Man U Football June 29, 2007 5:51 am http://www.nufcblog.com/2007/06/29/allardyce-has-reduced-control-because-of-contract-clauses/comment-page-1/#comment-4572 Man U Football » Man U Football June 29, 2007 5:51 am Fri, 29 Jun 2007 19:11:07 +0000 http://nufcblog.com/allardyce-has-reduced-control-because-of-contract-clauses/#comment-4572 [...] Allardyce Has Reduced Control Because of Contract Clauses I?m planning to start next season with Michael and Obafemi here, but I?m in a position where at some point between now and August I might lose those players and that would be a massive blow for me and this football club.? … [...] [...] Allardyce Has Reduced Control Because of Contract Clauses I?m planning to start next season with Michael and Obafemi here, but I?m in a position where at some point between now and August I might lose those players and that would be a massive blow for me and this football club.? … [...]

]]> By: StevieA http://www.nufcblog.com/2007/06/29/allardyce-has-reduced-control-because-of-contract-clauses/comment-page-1/#comment-4560 StevieA Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:14:55 +0000 http://nufcblog.com/allardyce-has-reduced-control-because-of-contract-clauses/#comment-4560 Ed - I agree. We have to keep Oba no matter what happens. He seems to be happy where he is but is the type who would move to Juventus or Inter like a shot if a deal could be done. I think he will stay next season and improve on the 17 goals he got. So many games he let the game pass him by when he has the potential to score 1 or 2 goals a game. He has so much pace but towards the end of the season you rarely saw that pace. He could be unplayable in the right mindset. I even think he is the best striker at the club overall because he has everything. The goal against Spurs was just amazing. Remarkable power.. let's hope we see some more of those shots next season (in black & white)! Ed – I agree. We have to keep Oba no matter what happens. He seems to be happy where he is but is the type who would move to Juventus or Inter like a shot if a deal could be done.

I think he will stay next season and improve on the 17 goals he got. So many games he let the game pass him by when he has the potential to score 1 or 2 goals a game. He has so much pace but towards the end of the season you rarely saw that pace. He could be unplayable in the right mindset. I even think he is the best striker at the club overall because he has everything.

The goal against Spurs was just amazing. Remarkable power.. let’s hope we see some more of those shots next season (in black & white)!

]]> By: Ed Harrison http://www.nufcblog.com/2007/06/29/allardyce-has-reduced-control-because-of-contract-clauses/comment-page-1/#comment-4558 Ed Harrison Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:10:27 +0000 http://nufcblog.com/allardyce-has-reduced-control-because-of-contract-clauses/#comment-4558 StevieA - just shows you the potential of Oba when he disappointed last season - but still put in 17 goals. I will never forgot the goal he scored against Tottenham Hotspur at While Hart Lane - clocked at 84 mph - right out of the blue - with his left foot. Called - a STUNNER. StevieA – just shows you the potential of Oba when he disappointed last season – but still put in 17 goals. I will never forgot the goal he scored against Tottenham Hotspur at While Hart Lane – clocked at 84 mph – right out of the blue – with his left foot. Called – a STUNNER.

]]> By: StevieA http://www.nufcblog.com/2007/06/29/allardyce-has-reduced-control-because-of-contract-clauses/comment-page-1/#comment-4534 StevieA Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:20:38 +0000 http://nufcblog.com/allardyce-has-reduced-control-because-of-contract-clauses/#comment-4534 ^^^ By negative I mean the defenders playing with no confidence (except Taylor) . Also the midfield played far too deep and passed sideways 80% of the time. It was so frustrating to watch! ^^^ By negative I mean the defenders playing with no confidence (except Taylor) . Also the midfield played far too deep and passed sideways 80% of the time. It was so frustrating to watch!

]]> By: StevieA http://www.nufcblog.com/2007/06/29/allardyce-has-reduced-control-because-of-contract-clauses/comment-page-1/#comment-4532 StevieA Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:11:39 +0000 http://nufcblog.com/allardyce-has-reduced-control-because-of-contract-clauses/#comment-4532 Ed - You are right and I am sure Sam is thinking the same way. As I have said he is a thinker but he get's things done. He plans ahead. We have already been linked with Gudjohnsen, Smith and Rigters recently. I know Owen would be a big loss but you would get more games out of these players. Sam is a big stats man and might have his doubts about Owens fitness. Rigters looks like an exciting player I would like us to sign him. Also Ameobi will be much better under Allardyce and minus the hip injury. As for the comments about Martins. Not too long ago Martins was one of the best young strikers in europe! Yes he dissapointed last season because he could have done so much better goals wise, but you have to remember the football we played last season was terrible and didn't suit his play at all. He seems to come to life when other players get tired so we need to make use of that Stamina for 90 minutes, if we can I think he could be amazing for us. Viduka will be far more effective than Sibierski and will help to get the best out of Martins. Our problem last season was that the team was negative. Both in midfield and defence, Sam is putting that right now and I think Barton will make such a big difference to the team and help Emre to play too. Ed – You are right and I am sure Sam is thinking the same way. As I have said he is a thinker but he get’s things done. He plans ahead.

We have already been linked with Gudjohnsen, Smith and Rigters recently. I know Owen would be a big loss but you would get more games out of these players. Sam is a big stats man and might have his doubts about Owens fitness.
Rigters looks like an exciting player I would like us to sign him. Also Ameobi will be much better under Allardyce and minus the hip injury.

As for the comments about Martins. Not too long ago Martins was one of the best young strikers in europe! Yes he dissapointed last season because he could have done so much better goals wise, but you have to remember the football we played last season was terrible and didn’t suit his play at all. He seems to come to life when other players get tired so we need to make use of that Stamina for 90 minutes, if we can I think he could be amazing for us.

Viduka will be far more effective than Sibierski and will help to get the best out of Martins. Our problem last season was that the team was negative. Both in midfield and defence, Sam is putting that right now and I think Barton will make such a big difference to the team and help Emre to play too.

]]> By: Ed Harrison http://www.nufcblog.com/2007/06/29/allardyce-has-reduced-control-because-of-contract-clauses/comment-page-1/#comment-4520 Ed Harrison Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:18:13 +0000 http://nufcblog.com/allardyce-has-reduced-control-because-of-contract-clauses/#comment-4520 StevieA - if we do lose Owen it would be interesting who Sam will bring in - but it looks like he's already after Gudjohnsen. Think you're right he would bring in some good strikers. But Sam needs to know the intentions of Owen and Martins now - so he can plan his transfer activities. StevieA – if we do lose Owen it would be interesting who Sam will bring in – but it looks like he’s already after Gudjohnsen. Think you’re right he would bring in some good strikers. But Sam needs to know the intentions of Owen and Martins now – so he can plan his transfer activities.

]]> By: Johnny Utah http://www.nufcblog.com/2007/06/29/allardyce-has-reduced-control-because-of-contract-clauses/comment-page-1/#comment-4505 Johnny Utah Fri, 29 Jun 2007 13:44:38 +0000 http://nufcblog.com/allardyce-has-reduced-control-because-of-contract-clauses/#comment-4505 I would love to see a youth movement in defense if we sign Edmilson to provide some leadership. Let's make a big bid for Micah Richards. Taylor and Richards could dominate for yars to come! That may well be the future England pairing! I would love to see a youth movement in defense if we sign Edmilson to provide some leadership. Let’s make a big bid for Micah Richards. Taylor and Richards could dominate for yars to come! That may well be the future England pairing!

]]> By: Johnny Utah http://www.nufcblog.com/2007/06/29/allardyce-has-reduced-control-because-of-contract-clauses/comment-page-1/#comment-4504 Johnny Utah Fri, 29 Jun 2007 13:42:43 +0000 http://nufcblog.com/allardyce-has-reduced-control-because-of-contract-clauses/#comment-4504 Martins might leave for Arsenal...but who cares? He was a stop gap last year and we don't need him now. He is the obvious third striker now, behind a CF in Viduka and a true Striker in Owen. Owen will saty to see what happens this year and if we are crap, he is gone. We have until January to prove we are focused on big things. As for the rest...Shola should be sold for sure. He is okay and would do well to land in the championship or Scotland. I like getting Smith to backup Viduka and another younger striker to back up Owen. Maybe Lita, maybe Defoe...maybe one of the young Dutch hotshots. If we can sell Martins for 13M to Arsenal I would be delighted. We would have made 3M off him and he is probably 28 years old anyways...another Kanu. I would rather see another winger come in to play forward like SWP. We could play a hybrid of the 4-3-3 with Viduka, Owens and SWP up front. Emre, Barton and Milner in the middle (with Dyer, Butt, Nobby, Duff and Luque ready to play) and a backfield made up of Taylor and Rozenhal (for now) in the middle with Geremi (hopefully) and another star at LB (Bridgey?). That is a team that is bound for Europe, especialy considering that Given is still top 10 in the world between the posts. Martins might leave for Arsenal…but who cares? He was a stop gap last year and we don’t need him now. He is the obvious third striker now, behind a CF in Viduka and a true Striker in Owen. Owen will saty to see what happens this year and if we are crap, he is gone. We have until January to prove we are focused on big things.

As for the rest…Shola should be sold for sure. He is okay and would do well to land in the championship or Scotland. I like getting Smith to backup Viduka and another younger striker to back up Owen. Maybe Lita, maybe Defoe…maybe one of the young Dutch hotshots.

If we can sell Martins for 13M to Arsenal I would be delighted. We would have made 3M off him and he is probably 28 years old anyways…another Kanu. I would rather see another winger come in to play forward like SWP. We could play a hybrid of the 4-3-3 with Viduka, Owens and SWP up front. Emre, Barton and Milner in the middle (with Dyer, Butt, Nobby, Duff and Luque ready to play) and a backfield made up of Taylor and Rozenhal (for now) in the middle with Geremi (hopefully) and another star at LB (Bridgey?). That is a team that is bound for Europe, especialy considering that Given is still top 10 in the world between the posts.

]]> By: StevieA http://www.nufcblog.com/2007/06/29/allardyce-has-reduced-control-because-of-contract-clauses/comment-page-1/#comment-4498 StevieA Fri, 29 Jun 2007 12:55:32 +0000 http://nufcblog.com/allardyce-has-reduced-control-because-of-contract-clauses/#comment-4498 I don't mind release clauses but they are for such low amounts compared to top players on the continent. I hope that Martins signs a new contract, Owen is a fantastic player but I can't stand the deafening silence! Either he is tired of the press (which is a possibility) and he plans to stay. Or he is keeping his options open. Frankly I think we will overtake Arsenal in the years to come with or without Owen. Plenty more quality strikers around to replace him. I don’t mind release clauses but they are for such low amounts compared to top players on the continent. I hope that Martins signs a new contract, Owen is a fantastic player but I can’t stand the deafening silence!

Either he is tired of the press (which is a possibility) and he plans to stay. Or he is keeping his options open. Frankly I think we will overtake Arsenal in the years to come with or without Owen. Plenty more quality strikers around to replace him.

]]> By: Soren http://www.nufcblog.com/2007/06/29/allardyce-has-reduced-control-because-of-contract-clauses/comment-page-1/#comment-4480 Soren Fri, 29 Jun 2007 10:23:59 +0000 http://nufcblog.com/allardyce-has-reduced-control-because-of-contract-clauses/#comment-4480 Not much else to do, than try to renegotiate their contracts and let their true colours be shown. Not much else to do, than try to renegotiate their contracts and let their true colours be shown.

]]> By: Tino http://www.nufcblog.com/2007/06/29/allardyce-has-reduced-control-because-of-contract-clauses/comment-page-1/#comment-4469 Tino Fri, 29 Jun 2007 09:27:58 +0000 http://nufcblog.com/allardyce-has-reduced-control-because-of-contract-clauses/#comment-4469 These clauses suggest that it is the player, not the club, that is in control, and no self respecting English club (especially not Newcastle) should ever be in a situation where we desperately need a player. Great teams come from continuity, and players with release clauses do not make for a great team. Scholes and Giggs and Neville have been at ManU since one knows when, and see how they blossom, even in their old age. Alan remained committed to the club throughout, and there is someone who would have demanded a release clause. Club fails to qualify for Europe because players did badly or got injured, and suddenly the palyer wants to leave! Indeed, they must leave, but lets avoid all this by getting loyal ones in, and keeping our bright young ones happy. Give Taylor the same wages we know Chelsea will soon tempt him with, don't wait until its toolate, Lords knows the lad deserves it, tie Milner and Ramage to good deals, and Shola, him lets sell to Birmingham or Wigan, make some money out of the lad and get someone in quickly. These clauses suggest that it is the player, not the club, that is in control, and no self respecting English club (especially not Newcastle) should ever be in a situation where we desperately need a player. Great teams come from continuity, and players with release clauses do not make for a great team. Scholes and Giggs and Neville have been at ManU since one knows when, and see how they blossom, even in their old age. Alan remained committed to the club throughout, and there is someone who would have demanded a release clause. Club fails to qualify for Europe because players did badly or got injured, and suddenly the palyer wants to leave! Indeed, they must leave, but lets avoid all this by getting loyal ones in, and keeping our bright young ones happy. Give Taylor the same wages we know Chelsea will soon tempt him with, don’t wait until its toolate, Lords knows the lad deserves it, tie Milner and Ramage to good deals, and Shola, him lets sell to Birmingham or Wigan, make some money out of the lad and get someone in quickly.

]]> By: nightfall http://www.nufcblog.com/2007/06/29/allardyce-has-reduced-control-because-of-contract-clauses/comment-page-1/#comment-4466 nightfall Fri, 29 Jun 2007 09:19:16 +0000 http://nufcblog.com/allardyce-has-reduced-control-because-of-contract-clauses/#comment-4466 if they are leaving we need top strikers...smith is not one of them... we all know thet ferguson is a good manager, but smith sucked undr his wing, so...don't get him... man utds midfield created 3-4 chances for smith every match and he scored how many goals?? why getting him, if we can get much better players, especially now when we don't have money problems... plus i'm getting real sick of smiths arrogance on the pitch... we don't need such player... if they are leaving we need top strikers…smith is not one of them… we all know thet ferguson is a good manager, but smith sucked undr his wing, so…don’t get him… man utds midfield created 3-4 chances for smith every match and he scored how many goals?? why getting him, if we can get much better players, especially now when we don’t have money problems… plus i’m getting real sick of smiths arrogance on the pitch… we don’t need such player…

]]> By: Tony_D http://www.nufcblog.com/2007/06/29/allardyce-has-reduced-control-because-of-contract-clauses/comment-page-1/#comment-4462 Tony_D Fri, 29 Jun 2007 08:59:20 +0000 http://nufcblog.com/allardyce-has-reduced-control-because-of-contract-clauses/#comment-4462 Release clauses are becoming more and more common, normally based on poor team performance or relegation. Owens became active when we didn't qualify for Europe, but really no reason for Oba to have a release clause that is active at the moment. We really need SA to renegotiate these contracts so he knows what players will definitely be playing for us next year. If they are not willing to renegotiate or commit to next season then SA should assume they are leaving and get 2 more high quality goal scorers in, if Owen and Oba are then still here next season play them as squad players until they commit to the club. Release clauses are becoming more and more common, normally based on poor team performance or relegation. Owens became active when we didn’t qualify for Europe, but really no reason for Oba to have a release clause that is active at the moment.

We really need SA to renegotiate these contracts so he knows what players will definitely be playing for us next year. If they are not willing to renegotiate or commit to next season then SA should assume they are leaving and get 2 more high quality goal scorers in, if Owen and Oba are then still here next season play them as squad players until they commit to the club.

]]> By: Jeff http://www.nufcblog.com/2007/06/29/allardyce-has-reduced-control-because-of-contract-clauses/comment-page-1/#comment-4467 Jeff Fri, 29 Jun 2007 08:25:13 +0000 http://nufcblog.com/allardyce-has-reduced-control-because-of-contract-clauses/#comment-4467 I think Shepard is at fault regarding these Clauses........Owen can leave for 9million when bought for 17 million.........great business....NOT!!!!If Owen demanded this clause then it showed his loyalty so they shouldnt have signed him at least with martins we make 3 million....yes martins done well last season but he cant control a ball and his team play is shocking so if he left he is replacable..........As for Owen he is a world class striker yes we have saw very little but everyone knows he is quality but with this clause which will only get activated if a top club comes in for him cos he aint going to go to west ham or man city etc etc etc...........so this is leaving newcastle in a crazy position..............does sam go out and buy a striker or does he wait hoping no one puts in a bid?Thats why I blame shephard for agreeing to these clauses......Sams plans are f*&^&*ed.... I think Shepard is at fault regarding these Clauses……..Owen can leave for 9million when bought for 17 million………great business….NOT!!!!If Owen demanded this clause then it showed his loyalty so they shouldnt have signed him at least with martins we make 3 million….yes martins done well last season but he cant control a ball and his team play is shocking so if he left he is replacable……….As for Owen he is a world class striker yes we have saw very little but everyone knows he is quality but with this clause which will only get activated if a top club comes in for him cos he aint going to go to west ham or man city etc etc etc………..so this is leaving newcastle in a crazy position…………..does sam go out and buy a striker or does he wait hoping no one puts in a bid?Thats why I blame shephard for agreeing to these clauses……Sams plans are f*&^&*ed….

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