Glenn Roeder Slams Sam – Well Just a Bit

The Daily Mirror is reporting today that Glenn Roeder has warned Newcastle boss Sam Allardyce that Alan Shearer will be waiting in the wings if he slips up at St James’ Park.

We’ve looked at this story and quite honestly don’t see too much conflict – in fact we think Roeder talks about a logical progression at the club – let’s take a closer look at this one.


Glenn Roeder

Ex-Newcastle Boss Roeder has presumably slammed Allardyce for asking Newcastle’s fans to be patient as he tries to move them towards a top-six slot. Glenn thinks Allardyce will not be given the requested time (five years) to get it right and that Newcastle hero Shearer will be lurking in the background.

This is exactly what Roeder said to the Mirror – let’s take a look and then analyze the situation:

“It’s a sad excuse for Sam to ask the fans to be patient while he builds the team for the next five years,” “I think the supporters of Newcastle United will be angry at being asked to be patient. All they have ever done is show patience.

“The current squad finished last season well enough to be playing in Europe this season. Without so many injuries, we would have qualified again for Europe. “Big Sam says he’s aiming for a top-six finish in five years, but they should be finishing in the top six next season without any problems.

“He’s already been able to strengthen the squad in a way that wasn’t available to me, so I’m not sure quite what else he needs to get them into the top six. “The world and his wife could see that Newcastle needed to strengthen its defence last season, now Sam has got those funds to do that and he should be grateful for them.

“Instead, he’s making his excuses before a ball has even been kicked. The truth is that he hasn’t got any excuses for not finishing in the top six.”

We know Sam will not get five years to make the club successful – Sam knows he will not get five years to make the club successful. A realistic finish this next season is 6th – that would be good – but we should at least finish somewhere in the top 8 and get into Europe – that would be a good first season for Sam. Roeder had the team miraculously in 7th place after the Souness disaster – and that with much of the same players that are still in the squad Sam took over. So we all know we are not a million miles away – and I’m sure Sam knows that as well – he’s just trying to lower the expectations at the club – that’s all. Most managers do that. Sam wouldn’t be talking about getting a really good start to next season if he thought he really did have 5 years.

Glenn went on:

“He’s made criticisms of panic buys at the club but I’ll stand by my record on that. Obafemi Martins was an outstanding success, Antoine Sibierski was the best free transfer of the season and the fans will see the best of Damien Duff when he recovers from injury.

“Saying it’s a five-year job would be too much for most Newcastle fans. He doesn’t have the right to ask them to be patient.”

Well we’re not sure when Sam talks about panic buys made at the club he is talking much of Roeder’s record – which compared to other previous managers is quite good. The guy who made terrible buys was Souness with Boumsong and Luque prime examples of wasting the club’s money. One criticism of Roeder would be why he left things so late last summer and why did we put the release clause in Oba’s contract – but other than that – the players Roeder brought in were quite good – and Martins could still become a great buy.

Roeder is searching for a new challenge after gaining his UEFA Pro Licence last week – so he may be wanting to make some noise in the papers to let people know he is available – no real harm in that.

Roeder went on:

“The other problem Sam has is that he and every other new manager will live under the shadow of Alan Shearer, who is the fans’ favorite son and rightly so,” “Shearer will not wait for ever to manage the club. He was supportive of me last year and he could see that a rebuilding job had to be done. “There will come a time when he will want to manage the club, and in those circumstances Sam can ask for five years – but I don’t think he’ll get that long.

“He is trying to buy himself some time before a ball has even been kicked. Sam should just be grateful for what he has got. “The players he has got and the ones he has added should guarantee the club European football straightaway.”

We know there is a lot to do to re-organize Newcastle into a club structured correctly and managed right – from top to bottom. Glenn started some of that and had and has some really good ideas – but unfortunately he didn’t seem to have the ability to carry them out – but started making changes in the youth set-up and the scouting side.

Sam has come in and will make even more changes to the structure at Newcastle and has vowed to change the mentality and attitude of the club to one of thinking success and then being successful. Nothing wrong with that.

If Sam can come and work at the club for say 5 years – or even more – and make us successful (as we think he will) – then Shearer could be the logical successor – and reap the benefits Sam has sown.

So we don’t think there’s too much conflict in this story – whatever picture the Mirror tries to paint. Shearer and Roeder are both Newcastle fans – and want Newcastle to succeed and nobody would be happier if this happens.

Let’s have your comments on this – we see it’s on all the media sites.

27 comments so far

  • Red Ranter

    Jul 4, 2007 at 9:09 AM

    Comment #1

    Typo in the title. I believe you meant Roeder Slams Sam.. not Roeder Slams Slam.

  • Jeff

    Jul 4, 2007 at 9:11 AM

    Comment #2

    I think Roeder is a touch jealous,He tried and failed to sign Viduka sam got him….the thing is when you work out the incomings and out goinging sam hasnt spent alot of money so I think roeder saying he has more than roeder had is a bit daft really….And who is he kidding saying sam is wrong and will upset the fans saying 5 years before we win anything….The thing sam said from the start is we have to stop setting our expectations so high and yeah he’s right for years thats what we have done.The thing is something is happening at newcastle right now which hasnt happened in a long time…New board new manager new quality signings so far and one thing sam knows and is actually doing something about is the defence,he knows it needs sorting…Roeder says he knew it also but why didnt he do something then,its easy to start saying this that and the other,at the end of the day he was manager and failed…I wasnt sure about sam when he first came in but he has totally changed my view and Im 110% right behind the big man……..Im not expecting miracles this season but Ive a big feeling it’ll be a hell of a lot better than under the last 2 managers………The place is buzzing with excitement again….If we play with passion in every game thats all we ask….Roeder I think you need to Realise you failed at your job cos you were not up to it…The supporters are not stupid but I bet at least 90% are happier with the way sam is talking and managing the club than you did…And another thing when sam is interviewed he doesnt make us fall asleep with negitivity like you did time and time again……..

  • valle

    Jul 4, 2007 at 9:20 AM

    Comment #3

    I think Roeder is out of line when he sends critisism at Sam before a ball has even been kicked. Roeder has been there and done that and he should know that the pressure is already high, why try to turn up the heat under Sam?

  • joe

    Jul 4, 2007 at 9:20 AM

    Comment #4

    This was a disgrace. We don’t want Shearer. He’s unproven. Big Sam is the best man for the job. If it takes 5 years to make our club stable and successful then so be it. Let’s back someone for once who we know will get it right if given the chance to do things properly.

  • Ben

    Jul 4, 2007 at 9:22 AM

    Comment #5

    haha…love it…i think sam should be given time but no waaay 5 years….shearer ahs a four year contract with the bbc …. hes already done one year….that leaves 3 years if my maths is correct just enough time for BSA to prove that he is the right man to continue with the job if not….give it to god … i mean shearer

  • Rob Kirton

    Jul 4, 2007 at 9:30 AM

    Comment #6

    Sam Allardyce is playing a game of promising less and intending to over deliver. Every good manager (in what ever walk of life) does that. It will not take 5 years to get back to being a regular amongst the top 5 or 6, or indeed to start winning things. If he doesn’t make a good first of it this year he will be sacked.

    Patience is avirtue, and billionaires who are not interested in football but want to make a big return on their investment are probably not such virtuous people.

    So far he has managed to sell many fans the line of having to be patient. Roeder is right, in as much that it shouldn’t take that long. Throwing money at a talented manager with the right ideas will produce relatively fast results. Sam is is in a good position right now, as he has lowered fans expectations and also given himself a backstop position if he is sacked at the end of the season.

    Allardyce is a far better bet than Roeder in terms of producing a top team and a good finish this year (hopefully Europe) will secure him and his future. If not I see no reason why Mike Ashley cannot go out and hire a real top drawer manager… the likes Mourinho, Capello etc.. They don’t cost that much more than a mediocre one.

    re Roeders comments about shearer prove he is yesterday’s man. There is no clamouring from the toon army for Shearer to be made manager (was there ever?) and Mike Ashley doesn’t have any connection or allegiance to him

  • Bw positive

    Jul 4, 2007 at 9:44 AM

    Comment #7

    Just love it when you have articles like this which are clearly on the pulse. SPOT ON ! Although, I do feel an inkling of bruised pride and belated retaliation and defence of Roeder. He is clearly trying to promote his cv, whilst removing any tarnishes off for would be job prospectors by mentioning the injuries, signings, where we finished and subsequently would finish. I think Roeder wanted people to see him as an honest bloke, who would always tell you how it is. Well, if he was truly honest, he would admit that his failings from his season in charge were never relative to the signings or lack of consistancy, but his handling of a ship which was clearly bow under. He would often speak of how much he rated the players, and that he couldnt ask for more. But the truth came out. Most of the senior players did not want to be part of the club. Parker, Dyer, Nzogbia, Martins, Moore, and probablies alot more, got fed up with expectations and not living up to them. Sam in the short time he has been in the club, running it from the budget of predicted normal NUFC summer activity, has impressed profoundly. All the deadwood gone, defence completely disassembled. No luxury buys such as Duff and luque previous managers have been guilty of. I agree with Jeff also, in that Roeder enjoyed his rants more than the fans, which found them predictable, on the fence, dry and without emotion. You need to feel in touch with the boss, like Keegan. Gives you an enoumous feeling of togethernous. Roeder hid I felt, behind his principles. It concerned him more, HOW he came across, rather than the POINT he was putting. Sam for me will be very successful, and Shearer could not possibly just come in and replace him as such. More realistically, Shearer would be assistant for several seasons. He is an uncut diamond in managerial work, needs abit of polish. As for the seasonal prediction, people forget that season past, we were ABOVE Spurs by 1 point around end of january, and 13 above Boro. We went on a horrid run of defeats, with which it seemed the players lost interest after being knocked out of the Uefa cup. This for me was the problem. High calibre players, playing for nothing. They are all about show, individual promise, rather than fighting for the club. Big Sam is in the results business. He will smash that ethic into their heads come 2k7/2k8 season. The strikers we have now, the new defence catalysed by a new reputable Taylors enthusiasm, new coaches, more quality, new board backed with surplus cash, no compromising managerial approach and the revitalised energy around the club will propel the club well into the echeons of top 6. Arsenal are wounded, Liverpool hold several big names but ultimately have limited quality, Spurs more so than Liverpool. We have something to chase. Every game we play carries such a huge signifigance, considering we chasing both cup and Europe.

  • Stephen

    Jul 4, 2007 at 9:46 AM

    Comment #8

    Roeder is talking rubbish.He says that Big Sam has had funds to fix the defence which was a problem and i didnt ave the cash to do it.Well at the moment Roeder has had more funds than Big Sam .Roeder has had 15 million to spend and Big Sam has spent around 9 million on 4 very good players and if you take away the 7 million from Parker it leaves 2 million which he has spent really.Also i didnt like the fact that he said Shearer is waiting in the wings.We all know he is a legend but he needs to stop getting the MR.NEWCASTLE TAG.No one is bigger than the club he has alot of work to do if he wants to become Newcastle manager thats for sure.Also the fact is Roeder couldnt motivate players and if he stayed here i bet we would have no chance with Owen and Martins staying.Also he talks about he has a good pedigree in the transfer market he said Siberski was a great free ya i have to admit he did well but the only reason he went for him is because he failed to attract any other players.I thought he was a nice bloke well i take it back no one disrespects Big Sam in my eyes he must be a fool because Big Sam in a short space of time has done alot of work on a medicore Newcastle side

  • Toon Addict

    Jul 4, 2007 at 9:53 AM

    Comment #9

    Why not give him time??? we’ve had to many managers not given enough time (some because they were just utterly rubbish) but now we have a straight talking manager who is worth given a shot…Bring on the BSA era!!!

    Btw i don’t like the idea of Shearer as manager…as much as i admire him as a true professional and a saint to Newcastle i do not think he is the right man until he has actual experience.

  • Billy Whizz

    Jul 4, 2007 at 9:53 AM

    Comment #10

    I think BSA is certainly enjoying the benefits of the new broom sweeping through the club and the raise of excitement and anticipation of the new season, something Roeder new had the pleasure of, but I think the main difference between the two is that you actually believe Sam has long term vision and an extended game plan, whereas with Roeder I always felt he was just living from one day to the next and muddling along as best he could.

  • dougy j reay

    Jul 4, 2007 at 9:54 AM

    Comment #11

    TOTALLY agree. Sam is clearly just managing expectations, which he certainly should. If there’s any club where expectations get in the way its ours. How many games last season did we see the crowd silent, or even worse booing the side? Personally I’m as frustrated as anyone else but it makes me sick to see crowds doing it. I know its not necessarily going to make me popular, but I think some of our ‘poor record in the transfer market’ has actually been a self-fulfilling prophecy caused by a combination of poor management and unreasonable expectation from the fans (often fuelled by that poisonous @rsehole at the chronicle)

    Think of the following names: Thomasson, Viana, Huckerby, Bassedas, Rossi, Luque..
    What do they have in common? Basically all of them came in, and without being given a proper chance were written off and shipped out. All arguably quality players not given a sustained run of games to find form or prove themselves. Who’s to know that – given time to recover from injury, Viana or Bassedas might have redicsovered their abilities? Or that like Martins, Huckerby, JohnDahl or Chopra (who was treated criminally by the club) could have hit the goal trail if only we persisted with them?

    Throw in Boumsong, Bramble, Dyer, Parker..
    Players who may not be the best in the world, but who arguably have been MADE worse by the crowd getting on their back. Scotty Parker was immense for us under Souness. Remember him running himself ragged, with teeth knocked out against Arsenal? How much did he deserve the boos last year? And how much do you think THAT motivated him? Ditto Dyer, who has been a toerag at times but worked his socks off when first coming back from injury.
    As for Boum and Bramble, both were potentially decent enough players, but CB like CF is a confidence position, and what did we expect to happen when we started booing them at every wrong touch, eery poor pass? There are – shock horror – worse defenders all over the place, but we have contributed to this cult myth that Bramble is the worst player alive, and funnily enough he did genuinely seem to get worse and worse. IS it a coincidence that his best games were away in Europe where he was not a laughing stock? (Remember him vs Sporting? Immense.)

    Basically what I’m saying is that I’m thrilled Sam is trying for once to manage expectations, and for the sake of our season am just praying the fans get on board. ..

  • shaun

    Jul 4, 2007 at 10:01 AM

    Comment #12

    Sam’s the man for the job. Roeder is just whinging again as usual, the guy has no clue about being a top manager. If Sam can’t get us into Europe there is no way roeder could have done. In fact if he was still at the club I’m pretty sure he’d have got us relegated this season, as with all his previous clubs (West Ham, Watford). What is he on about Shearer waiting in the wings. Who in their right mind would employ Shearer as manager if, in the unlikely event Sam loses his job, ignoring the likes of wenger, mourinho, anchelotti etc certainly not Mike Ashley who is one of the best business men in the country. Roeder you’re a muppet

  • Aussie Toon

    Jul 4, 2007 at 10:06 AM

    Comment #13

    As usual Glenn you are a confused with your communication ( something Sam is very good at). Roeder’s comments after some of the games i witnessed left me more frustrated than the actual losses.Totally agree with Stephen (Jul 4,2007 at 9.46). If Glenn wants the best for Newcastle do not try and pressure the new manager all that will do is make it appear self absorbed “sour grapes”. Tactically i also think whatever the formation selected will be a vast improvement next season 🙂

  • Ed Harrison

    Jul 4, 2007 at 10:11 AM

    Comment #14

    Red Ranter – got it – guess i had too many slams in the title

  • Toppsy Krett

    Jul 4, 2007 at 10:21 AM

    Comment #15

    Here we go again… Alan bloody Shearer. Yeah, I loved him too when he smashed in goal after goal. Other than that, he’s just a very arrogant man and has far too much power over the club. Something that Mike Ashley will no doubt see and will not like.
    Big Sam will have a short period of time to prove himself, probably only 2 seasons, finanaced by Ashley. Then, he will be sacked if we are not winning trophies and in the top 4. Ashley and co will never appoint Shearer because he’s never been a manager. We’ll end up with one of the biggest names in management without doubt.
    As for Roeder – words from a bitter old man.

  • t-g-w

    Jul 4, 2007 at 10:55 AM

    Comment #16

    In terms of “everyone” knowing our defence needed sorting out, Roeder didn’t buy any defenders!!! So he obviously didn’t realise – dumbass. And he could have brought in Campbell on a free and Woodgate on loan – 2 excellent defenders for £0 – so the comment about Sam having money to spend is rubbish too.

    Look at it like this – Roeder bought in 2 (very good) players for 15 million, but it took him until halfway through the summer to make his first signing. Sam has had a transfer budget of £0 so far – the only money he has had has come from the sale of Parker. Roeder had good ideas but dithered whereas Sam is a doing man and that is exactly what we need.

  • Andy T

    Jul 4, 2007 at 11:27 AM

    Comment #17

    Ha Ha Ha – best laugh I’ve had in ages. To paraphrase “I knew all the things Sam has done needed to be done I just didn’t know how to do them – do you think that’s why he got my job?”
    Also I don’t think Sam said it will take 5 years to qualify for Europe – What he said was it took Fergie 5 years to make Man Utd successful (i.e. win the premiership) shows the difference between what Roeder perceives as successful at Newcastle and Big Sam’s aspirations!

  • Andy T

    Jul 4, 2007 at 11:33 AM

    Comment #18

    Just to do a little amusing editing….

    “The world and his wife could see that Newcastle needed to strengthen its defence last season, now Sam has got those funds to do that and he should be grateful for them.”
    “I’ll stand by my record on that. Obafemi Martins was an outstanding success, Antoine Sibierski was the best free transfer of the season and the fans will see the best of Damien Duff when he recovers from injury.”

    So the world and his wife could see the defence needed strengthening and with a no funds whatsoever he spent 15 million on a striker and a left winger.
    Personally that’s a record I’d try to sidle away from like an unpopular relative at a wedding reception!

  • Ed Harrison

    Jul 4, 2007 at 11:38 AM

    Comment #19

    Rob Kirton – think you are right Sam, wants to over-deliver in his first season and is setting the expectation as low as he can get away with.

  • Andy T

    Jul 4, 2007 at 11:42 AM

    Comment #20

    dougy j reay

    I wouldn’t put Rossi in your list of came and went without a chance – He was on a three month loan from Man U and Fergie sensibly wouldn’t let him play for us longer term (He shipped him out to Spain for the second half of the season). I think you’ll see him get his chance, unfortunately at Old Trafford.

  • Brian Strand

    Jul 4, 2007 at 2:07 PM

    Comment #21

    It will be very difficult for big Sam and Newcastle to break into the top four in the coming years, when your can`t offer Champions League, players like Torres will be out of Newcastles league. Roeder should know that well. The players Newcastle have signed are not much better, if better at all, than what the already have and it will take time for them to cope. Roeder had many excuses when thinks went wrong, he was not lucky with injuries i admit that, but a good manager would have done better.

  • Ed Harrison

    Jul 4, 2007 at 2:39 PM

    Comment #22

    Brian – we hope to at least qualify for Europe (UEFA Cup) next year then maybe we can start to attract bigger players – but it’s get to be a step by step process…and then we’ll have a crack at top 4.

  • Andy T

    Jul 4, 2007 at 2:59 PM

    Comment #23

    The day that it is impossible to break into the top 4 without champions league is the day football dies – because only the top 4 get champions league and therefore they would always be the top four. I think having 7-8 teams capable of getting into champions league and doing well will be fantastic for the premiership.

  • Ed Harrison

    Jul 4, 2007 at 6:56 PM

    Comment #24

    AndyT – totally agree – the league needs much more competition – otherwise it will lose its appeal..

  • Jeff

    Jul 5, 2007 at 8:28 AM

    Comment #25

    Why do people mention geremi as left back?Sam has said he needs a left back so to me that states he isnt playing geremi there,also sam talks of players playing in their prefered positions….I dont think he will move players around like roeder did…..Talking of roeder he is making himself look a twat with coming out with comments like he has….so is gartside at bolton…what idiots they look……….As for sam needing to spend the money available to him….WHY???? he’s doing alright as he is without spending a great amount………he doesnt need to through all his eggs in one basket…….we dont need a big money signing if it just means they dont have the heart….this is a new era a new toon……..we’ve tried all the big named players now go for grafters and players who play with passion………Cant believe people still mention woodgate………….do you’s not keep up with things……..HE SIGNED FOR BORO NUGGETS!!!!!
    Howay the toon

  • Brian Strand

    Jul 5, 2007 at 2:22 PM

    Comment #26

    Andy T and Ed Harrison – i agree with you but the big names want to play for clubs who plays in the champions league, and the big clubs gets more and more money and can there fore buy the best players so the difference between man. u. Liverpool and Newcastle for me seems to get bigger, they can buy Torres and Tevez and Newcastle goes for Viduka ( no disrespect to Viduka) I know Newcastle seems to have money to spend but these players will choose a top four side. i think its sad for the premierleague.

  • Whitey

    Sep 8, 2007 at 2:02 PM

    Comment #27

    Shut Up Roeder


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