What’s Happening with Dyer’s West Ham Transfer?

Luke Edwards of the Newcastle Journal is reporting that Kieron Dyer’s transfer to West Ham United may be on the verge of collapse after a last-minute change of heart by Newcastle.

We think Luke is a credible source so we’ll take a look at this story and see what we can make of it.

It certainly seems strange at first glance because we thought Alan Smith would only be signed if Kieron left the club and as we all know Alan is now a Newcastle player and was only too happy to join the Tyneside club.


Kieron Dyer – mass confusion over his transfer to West Ham

Dyer was to complete the £6M move to West Ham yesterday after passing his medical in London, but then Luke Edwards reports the deal was delayed when Newcastle surprisingly informed the West Ham board they were increasing the fee to £8M for the England international.

The request was turned down (not surprisingly) and Kieron was informed the deal was off by West Ham officials. Dyer then headed back to the North-East. This seems so strange – what is going on here?

A source close the deal in London said last night:

“Kieron was due to sign for West Ham on Friday but Newcastle suddenly increased the asking price, which West Ham refused to pay. As a result Newcastle have refused to sell the player and West Ham have reluctantly told Kieron that he would have to return to the North-East.”

Where this leaves 28-year-old Dyer, who declined to comment for Luke’s story last night (don’t blame him), we have no idea.  Add to this the fact that Kieron’s car and home were targeted by angry supporters last weekend (which we deplore) and we have a very confused situation.

Luke Edwards thinks the collapse of the transfer will be a major blow to manager Sam Allardyce, who has always sympathized with the player’s wish to move closer to his young family in Ipswich. That’s only because Sam is a good man manager and actually cares about his players – what a concept. Sam’s always wanted to keep Dyer so he could coach him to his vast potential and is said to be one reason he took on the Newcastle job – by his own admission.

But this story doesn’t make too much sense to us because the move was canceled from the Newcastle end – so it can hardly be a blow or a surprise to Big Sam. Allardyce must have been informed about why Newcastle’s strange and very late decision was being made.

Something else must have happened here. While we don’t know what’s happened here are a few possibilities:

  1. There were rumors the deal had been structured to be dependent on Dyer’s appearances at West Ham – ₤4M up front plus another ₤3M based on appearances (may not be the exact figures). Newcastle may have decided they didn’t really like this after all.
  2. Kieron may have expressed some feelings to Sam that he would be willing to stay at Newcastle after all – this would be amazing but still possible with all the tranfer activity at Newcastle.
  3. Newcastle may have thought Kieron could now be over his injuries and £6M was just not enough since the nightmare scenario for Newcastle – though great for West Ham – was that he would attain the form he has always threatened to play at but – never has – at least not consistently. That concern has been expressed many times on our web site and it’s something we think could happen.

We think number 3 is likely with possibly a bit of 2 mixed in. We do know that what’s been put out by the press as an explanation makes no sense at all.

Let’s know what you think may have happened – something is going on here and we’re not yet privy to it.

Comments always welcome – but please keep them civil – both about this story and also with Kieron – many thanks.

29 comments so far

  • LiamBirchy8

    Aug 4, 2007 at 12:06 PM

    Comment #1

    wow this baines tranfer looks promising and it may happen. it’s even on skysportsnews http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_2640127,00.html

    Hopefully we will have enrique and baines for left back this season which would be great.

  • Jon Armann

    Aug 4, 2007 at 12:13 PM

    Comment #2

    you know i think?? hehe, i think Newcastle were keeping the West ham Oficcials busy so they could move for players, because everytime Newcastle are gonna sign someone, westa ham follows hehehe, just an idea……I love you guys, i always look at this site!!

    Hooway the lads

  • Mart

    Aug 4, 2007 at 12:14 PM

    Comment #3

    Well I just dont understand what could be going on. My biggest worry was that he would fail the medical . Why on earth Newcastle would suddenly pullout when Dyer obviously has to go, is beyond me .
    Hopefully the situation will be clarified over the weekend.

  • TOON1

    Aug 4, 2007 at 12:19 PM

    Comment #4

    Maybe he doesnt want to leave afterall.

  • George

    Aug 4, 2007 at 12:22 PM

    Comment #5

    If the news coming through is true, and i find it hard to believe that at the last minute newcastle upped the asking price for Dyer by £2 million, either someone has a screw loose or there is another bid at SJP for him with a bigger fee on it. Lets face it, £6million for Dyer with his history was a great figure for us. On the other hand can you believe what comes out of the mouths of those at Upton Park. Did they not tell enquiries that Tevez belonged to them, yet have they not just announced that they have bought him from his agent so they can sell him to Man U.
    Dealings with West Ham do seem to be problimatic?

    Anyway, “Does anybody want Keiron Dyer” Low mileage, never goes anywere on pitch, always injured, costs a fortune in wages, gets into trouble a lot, winges he is homesick, but generally a typical overpaid premiership footballer. Only two previous owners.

  • Ian

    Aug 4, 2007 at 12:27 PM

    Comment #6

    Maybe the fee was put up to stop the transfer as Ashley may be looking to keep Dyer incase Barton gets a prison sentence.
    This did seem to happen very soon after the news came through on the Barton front.

  • Gallacher the Horse

    Aug 4, 2007 at 12:32 PM

    Comment #7

    Jon A, I’d had the same thoughts. BSA and CCM suddenly seemed to have been praising some players (Dyer and to an extent N’Zogbia) whilst suggesting they wern’t comfortable at Newcastle just to set other clubs off after them whilst we bagged Smith (Sam saying last week he had no interest) and both of them claiming all our attempts at signing players weren’t getting anywhere.

    Yet Cacapa has trained with us all week unnoticed, Snith has been courted and signed, Enrique looks like he’s turning up on our doorstep for certain and Dragutinovic has been having a few words with Wor Al and has been given a (for him) bumper paycheck to join the club (with luck)

    Two or so days ago I thought we were experiencing a bit of smoke-and-mirrors activity when it came to transfers – now I’m even more sure. I think we have seen two businessmen, Ashley and Mort, genuinely listen to an experienced football man, Sam and get fantastic results. I wouldn’t be surprised to find the three of them had planted the stories of Ashley’s unrest, limited money, Sam being unsure, ‘Keegan back’ etc just to throw the newspaper hounds completely off the scent. A few brilliant strokes I think!

    Howay the lads!

  • Ed Harrison

    Aug 4, 2007 at 12:34 PM

    Comment #8

    Ian – why didn’t we think of that – that’s a very credible reason – probably the real truth – because the Barton situation is very dicey.

  • Gallacher the Horse

    Aug 4, 2007 at 12:35 PM

    Comment #9

    Oh, and what price Dyer getting six months off, like Henry or Campbell, tosolve his problems and come back all guns blazing? We don’t actually need him now, so loan him to Ipswich, pay most of his money, get him fit in mind and body and bring him back. Blimey, I’m getting devious!

  • Gallacher the Horse

    Aug 4, 2007 at 12:40 PM

    Comment #10

    Then sell him in January if Barton escapes with a wallet-busting fine and a short stretch at Her Majesty’s pleasure

  • bronto

    Aug 4, 2007 at 12:44 PM

    Comment #11

    1. Man Utd have to pay West Ham 2 million for Tevez (which they don’t deserve)
    2. Newcastle buy Alan Smith for 6 million, but the local press report the fee as 4 million.
    3. Newcastle ask West Ham for another 2 million for Dyer

    That 2 million is floating round in a very neat little circle. Co-incidence?

  • simen e

    Aug 4, 2007 at 12:46 PM

    Comment #12

    if kieron wants to stay, i would love to see him injury free for a whole season and playing at his best. when hes at his best, i think hes a phenomonal player! i remember sir bobby said somthing like this: dyer where everywhere this match, he must have to harts and four longs 😉 think if dyers family maby could move up north and support him, we would have a tremendous player 😀

  • Ed Harrison

    Aug 4, 2007 at 12:47 PM

    Comment #13

    Gallagher – could be January – good thinking.

  • Dave

    Aug 4, 2007 at 12:50 PM

    Comment #14

    Strange indeed. Maybe West Ham (not known for their transfer accumen) started putting alsorts of clauses, niggly little getouts and payouts and NUFC the business just thought ‘sod this for a game of polker’ and folded?

    I can’t see Dyer changing his mind, not after the boos and the nastyness that ensued last week, if he has then he’ll have to show TONNES of character to get his head round returning.

    The Barton issue could have some truth in it but then I figured that’s partly why we bought the versatile and brilliant Smith.

    I can’t see NUFC simply not thinking it’s enough money either. They’d have rejected it outright if that were the case, think of the wage we’d free up too. I think WH were trying to put something over on us.

  • Craig Allen

    Aug 4, 2007 at 12:53 PM

    Comment #15

    I read somewhere one of the reasons might be that Ashley wants the fee in full/up front … not sure where I read that anyway, hope he goes — not because of anything other than what his level of commitment would be after the way we’ve been treating him … or maybe he turns it around and tries to prove his detractors wrong .. whatever happens it’s no doubt gonna be an interesting time! I’m anxious for the Bolton game can’t wait ! Oh I doubt Barton’s going anywhere but midfield come his first appearance after recovery … this case is just a distraction for him as he recovers from the op

  • TrevorH

    Aug 4, 2007 at 12:57 PM

    Comment #16

    As a West Ham fan I can say with all honesty that I am very pleased and that the transfer has fallen through. Potentially and on his day he is a top player but comes with too much mileage.

    If George wants to add to the Tevez affair he perhaps ought to get his facts right. He was always contracted to West Ham and his registration has correctly lodged at the Premier League. His agent has now confirmed this and West Ham were paid £2M to cancel his registration in order that he can signed a loan aagreement with Man Utd for 2 years.

  • Ashley_is_a_tube

    Aug 4, 2007 at 12:59 PM

    Comment #17

    What on earth is this man thinking? £5m upfront for Dyer was like an early Christmas present. Can’t believe we didn’t pull off the 2 transfers of the summer getting rid of Dyer and Parker both to the cockney scum for £12m plus to boot. Ashley stick to what you know best and let Sam handle the transfers cos you’ve just made your first huge mistake.

  • Craig

    Aug 4, 2007 at 1:20 PM

    Comment #18

    Mike Ashley, you no nothing of Kieron Dyer. He must leave now or else we’ll have an unhappy player picking up £60,000 a week for doing nothing. Great player, but shite attitude. Never forgive him the time he threw the captains armband down and basically got Bobby the sack. He’s everything a modern day footballer shouldn’t be and will no doubt go down as a player who never did get make it as a top footballer. WASTED TALENT.

  • Ashley_is_a_tube

    Aug 4, 2007 at 1:42 PM

    Comment #19

    We caught West Ham with their eye off the ball on this one cos they’ve been so wrapped up in the whole Tevez thing and Egghead is looking to bring in a name or two to appease the fans. To let them off the hook now over a miserly £2m is disastrous management.

    Not only are we left with a player who doesn’t want to play here we’re also £5m-£6m down plus £3m a year if you include the wages. Ashley get on the phone to the Egg now and tell them it was all a joke.

  • TOON1

    Aug 4, 2007 at 2:16 PM

    Comment #20

    We dont want him here unless he wants to be ,which quite clearly he doesnt!!

  • Ed Harrison

    Aug 4, 2007 at 2:20 PM

    Comment #21

    Well – not sure what’s going on – maybe George is right and we have new bid for 8M.

  • Ashley_is_a_tube

    Aug 4, 2007 at 2:25 PM

    Comment #22

    Catch yourself on Ed. There’s no other interest despite what the papers say. Jol wasn’t going to touch him cos of his injury history and Sven’s seen him play so that rules City out. It was £6m or bust. Ashley tried for another card and boom.

  • Joe Aussie

    Aug 4, 2007 at 3:05 PM

    Comment #23

    The Guardian are reporting in thier Rumour Mill section that we are after Argentinian striker Alvaro Recoba who currently plays for Inter Milan.Looking at his profile he is a supremely talented player with an amazing left foot,especially in free kick situations, and an excellent dribbler able to turn games on his own.However,mentally there seems to be a problem as to which Alvaro turns up on the day,the one that is going to perform or the one who is going to be invisible. Maybe Sam can harness his potential an turn him into a world beater!

  • Rich

    Aug 4, 2007 at 3:45 PM

    Comment #24

    I have a sneaky suspicion Dyer only wants a move to Spurs and that he thought West Ham would do linking up wh Scotty Parker etc… but on going down their for a medical wasnt impressed at the mediocre setup they have at all

    I just have a funny feeling this is all down to Pre-Maddona kieron dyer and that hphoned BSA back up and said ‘how about 1 more season gaffer?’

    i may be completely wrong, but it wouldnt suprise me…. if he wants to come back and put a bit more competetion on our books then so be it… but if he comes back blubbering about how hes stuck and NUFC etc… then he should just be sent to the reserves.

  • Rich

    Aug 4, 2007 at 4:24 PM

    Comment #25


    This is on NUFC.COM & was taken from an article from The Daily Mail regarding Dyer :

    And The Mail have claimed that the deal is in danger of collapsing:

    Dyer, who is desperate to move south to be closer to his family, last night found his hopes of joining West Ham fading when Newcastle’s new owner Mike Ashley bumped up the price from £5m to £7m.

    He was angry at the way the Hammers approached the midfielder and accused them of unsettling the 28-year-old before they were given permission to speak to him, which West Ham deny.

    Ashley told the Hammers they would have to pay £7m, rising to £8m if the east London club qualified for Europe, to secure the deal.

    There is a feeling on Tyneside that billionaire businessman Ashley is flexing his muscles in one of the first major transfers since he took control.

    no money ey?

  • reggie22

    Aug 4, 2007 at 4:37 PM

    Comment #26

    i heard ashley hit the roof after west ham had started negotiation on personal terms before the 2 teams agreed a fee and as a bit of retaliation turned round and uped the price by a cool mil cos we got pissed at the way west ham were doin business we all know they will pay the xtra mil they will pay silly money for anyone half decent to try and buy themselves out of trouble the only reason that they wont pay must be pos of problems from the other end look at it
    FACT westham would pay 6-7 mil for dyer after they bought that fuabert bloke for 6 and i never heard of him
    FACT newcastle are more than happy to sell
    so the only lodgical reasons are someone else has bid or mr dyer has changed his mind or BSA has helped change his mind for him
    cos we all know all this slagging the bloke of he on his day (not enough)is a class act he is well worth 7mil is he could play 70%of our games this season i think we r a much better team with him than without !
    and all this comparing smith to dyer WHY its like comparing an apple and orange 2 totally different players and we all know we love them both in our squad next season cos we do lack that blistering pace which he does posses even after injures ?

  • iain

    Aug 4, 2007 at 8:07 PM

    Comment #27

    could be that sam has his eyes on a replacment for dyer, he said we needed so many players in and another one on top of that lot once dyer was sold, so it makes sense that his replacement would be someone that we have yet been linked with. maybe that player would cost £7/8m and ashley is simply saying if his replacement is worth that than dyer surely is.

  • bob

    Aug 4, 2007 at 8:30 PM

    Comment #28

    west ham deal is completelu off now n curbishly didnt mention anything about newcastle raising the price but just that newcastle had pulled out and nw tht west ham are out i cant think of another club who will buy him cuz tottenham wnt pay his wages which matter so much to him and city too far away frm his kids and theres no1 else in the market for an injury prone player which riddiculous wages and unconsistant performances…so dyer better get begging for forgiveness for the umpteenth time

  • Craig

    Aug 4, 2007 at 9:49 PM

    Comment #29

    Dosen’t his contract expire in two years? We really need to cash in on this arse.


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