How Do Newcastle Handle This Dyer Situation?

As we know Kieron Dyer’s proposed £6M transfer to West Ham United collapsed on Friday night after sources close to the deal revealed that Newcastle inflated the fee to £8M at the last moment.

Why Newcastle did this is still mysterious because ₤6M (₤5M up front and ₤1M based on performances) seemed a good deal for Newcastle in the circumstances. It also got a high wage-earner (₤80K/week?) with poor productivity off the books.

All good in our opinion.


Kieron Dyer – what now?

The resultant upset at Upton Park, which to be fair seems even justified to us given what we know – tended to put a damper on an otherwise wonderful day in the transfer market last Friday.

Dyer is said to have some undisclosed liver complaint and a history of hamstring and shin problems but still passed a day-long medical at a London hospital on Thursday. So all looked good for the deal and then Newcastle suddenly pulled the plug. West Ham then complained that Newcastle had gone back on an agreement reached Wednesday by increasing Dyer’s price at the very last minute.

Sources close to Dyer are said to be pessimistic the deal can be revived and Alan Curbishley issued a statement yesterday essentially saying the deal was dead and cited the above information as to why the deal had broken down. This is what Curbishley said to Sky Sports News yesterday:

“We agreed a fee with Newcastle and we agreed personal terms with the player,”  “The player passed a medical, but at the 11th hour, the 11th-and-a-half hour, it got pulled by Newcastle for their reasons.”

“There is not much we can do about it.”  “The boy has been left in limbo, obviously. He was just about to come and train with us.”  “It’s been pulled and the likelihood is it’s going to stay that way.

“It’s the first time I can remember anything like this happening. It’s happened and we have got to get on with it.”

Dyer’s people were adamant yesterday that Kieron will not be returning to Newcastle. Let’s just remind them politely that if Newcastle want Kieron back he still has two years left on his contract and would need to honor that – so it doesn’t really matter what they think. Not that the scenario is particularly good for Newcastle.

It’s being reported that Mike Ashley got involved directly in the deal but we find that very surprising and probably not true. But something happened that we still don’t know about.

What Newcastle now do with Dyer is a great question. We think the best scenario is that he still leave before the end of August but the Barton situation has made things more complicated. Newcastle may now want to hold onto Dyer as cover in case Joey ends up in jail – which we have to consider is at least a possibility.

We only have about six months to cash in on Kieron if we want the full fee for his value since his contract has just two more years to run. To think that Dyer can now reconcile with Newcastle is probably a bridge too far given everything that’s happened.

What do you think happened last Friday and what should Newcastle now do with Dyer?

Comments very welcome.

35 comments so far

  • apan

    Aug 5, 2007 at 10:26 AM

    Comment #1

    this is not good, owning an unhappy player, he would score an own goal just like gllas did at chelsea haha

  • reggie22

    Aug 5, 2007 at 10:32 AM

    Comment #2

    i am just surprised he managed to pass a medical maybe he is fully fit again and sam decided he wants him have u thought of the other option maybe sam was told he could only buy smith if he sold dyer then went and bought smith and cancelled the dyer deal so he could have both unlikely but a possibility !

  • george t

    Aug 5, 2007 at 10:42 AM

    Comment #3

    having pulled the plug on the dyer deal is bad enough but i hope the rumours circulating that we may be in the market to sell martins are not true or a good weekend will be ruined…….i hope not

  • AlexW

    Aug 5, 2007 at 10:48 AM

    Comment #4

    price was bumped up because west ham spoke to dyer without permission……..neway i like dyer, give him some games and maybe we will get the best out of him.

  • StevieA

    Aug 5, 2007 at 10:53 AM

    Comment #5

    It’s time he went because he has a negative impact on the side. Much like Bramble and Parker did (sadly).

    We can always bring someone in to replace him and then ship him out on loan. Or we could use him as bait in a part exchange deal perhaps?

    He can’t play for Newcastle again after this so it would be best for all concerned. I really can’t see why we didn’t let him go for 6 Million plus 1 Million bonuses. He is on around 80k a week and he just doesn’t justify it.

    I would rather have someone like Veron and try and get the best out of him. As far as I know Chelsea let him go in the summer on a free.

  • george t

    Aug 5, 2007 at 10:58 AM

    Comment #6

    Alex ….if west ham spoke to him without permission why was this not brought out before he was allowed to have a medical and the deal all but done…..sounds fishy

  • KevinHann

    Aug 5, 2007 at 10:59 AM

    Comment #7

    Well this is a very interesting situation. No matter what we should not forget Dyer is an awesome footballer, even if injury prone. Fans forgot quite fast that we didn’t relegate last season only because he came back and lead the team to several invaluable points. This IS a player who can make the difference in a close encounter.
    Best option for Newcastle is to keep him, and make him happy. Yes, this sounds quite naive, but if everybody keeps praising Sam for his convincing qualities maybe it is time to see him handle his first REAL situation within the squad?

  • Ant

    Aug 5, 2007 at 11:00 AM

    Comment #8

    BSA seemed happy for Dyer to leave considering the circumstances. If BSA didnt have any say in upping the price and effectively playing West Ham for mugs. Then will there be unrest amongst the Newcastle hierarchy, not to mention in the dressing room, having a player that doesnt want to be there.
    It just doesnt make senseto me, unless West Ham havent gave the full story and were taking the piss, or another club came in with a better offer which we asked West Ham to match.
    To keep the kid would be crazy.

  • KevinHann

    Aug 5, 2007 at 11:05 AM

    Comment #9

    Really Ant? I will give you a single name:
    Albert Luque.
    And he didn’t save a season for us.

  • KevinHann

    Aug 5, 2007 at 11:07 AM

    Comment #10

    Truth is we know nothing about what’s going on in the dressing room, we make up our mind on stories that “leak” in the press.

  • toonrules

    Aug 5, 2007 at 11:12 AM

    Comment #11

    i think big samis the man to get dyer back to what heshould be .we all know sam has a no shit policy.

  • Big Sam Fan

    Aug 5, 2007 at 11:13 AM

    Comment #12

    Apan he couldnt score an own goal….. he would miss!! ive personally always liked dyer and still think he could offer the team a different dimension. i think that Smith may drag something out of him performance wise. and Allardyce i think could get him playing well and get a good price in Jan

  • Ed Harrison

    Aug 5, 2007 at 11:26 AM

    Comment #13

    AlexW – but why was that a big problem for us? – seems like we shot ourselves in the foot (?)

  • apan

    Aug 5, 2007 at 11:27 AM

    Comment #14

    i think BSA already tried many times to persuade dyer to stay but his unwilling to do so with that family probs excuse, thats why BSA load him off because he cant do anythin to make him happy, he tried hard for god sake!
    BSA is not happy to lose dyer but dyer seems lookin forward to leave so…
    now his back i guess he have to cover up his face just like ghaly did at spurs

    haha i love dyer, his so full of drama would always makes the paper happywe need him for more dramatic moments at NUFC!

  • Ed Harrison

    Aug 5, 2007 at 11:27 AM

    Comment #15

    toonrules – think you’re right but Dyer needs to want to still play here.

  • michael

    Aug 5, 2007 at 11:27 AM

    Comment #16

    Not convinced that West Ham aren’t just lying. Curbishley was apparently getting cold feet looking at the Bowyer-Bellamy-Dyer axis of evil. I won’t trust anything west ham say after the Carlos Tevez fiasco. They’re easily the most hated team in the premiership. They should be relegated and slapped with a thirty point deduction. And have to pay Sheff Utd 50 million quid. Scudamore should never have allowed Tevez to keep playing after fining them.
    I don’t think spurs would want him and to go to man city would make a mockery of his fabricated excuse.
    Either the WHam deal will be ressurected for 8 million (as they blatantly tapped him up to weaken our position) or he’ll have to play for us and sort himself out.

  • Jacob

    Aug 5, 2007 at 11:33 AM

    Comment #17

    How dare his ‘representatives’ say that he won’t come back to Newcastle. Yes, I know he’s a good footballer, but who the hell does he think he is? The sadist in me is hoping that Mr Ashley pulled the plug so Kieron can be punished properly…reserve team football etc – but I know that’s bad business and won’t happen under the new regime. A concern of mine though is that being the bad apple in the dressing room creates bad vibes…if he trains with the kids, he’ll poison them – if he trains with the first team he’ll demotivate them – although to be fair I can’t see BSA allowing this to happen.
    It’s a messy situation all round but it does strengthen my impression of Mike Ashley as some sort of Blofeld character. .. Come on Mike – push the red button and send Dyer to the sharks.

  • StevieA

    Aug 5, 2007 at 11:36 AM

    Comment #18

    He will be booed even more if he plays for us though. He was getting booed before and just as the fans begin to give him a chance he does something like this.

    He will get booed and that creates a negative atmosphere so I say let him go. Either on loan or for a fee. I am sure a london or southern club would take him on loan with a view to a permanent deal.

    We should have snapped there hands off for 6 Million though!

  • StevieA

    Aug 5, 2007 at 11:37 AM

    Comment #19

    Put a cheeky bid in for Sissoko or someone! 😀

  • KevinHann

    Aug 5, 2007 at 11:37 AM

    Comment #20

    Jacob who exactly did you speak to? His mom? Or you read it in the papers or the internet?

  • KevinHann

    Aug 5, 2007 at 11:38 AM

    Comment #21

    Sissoko is awesome 😀 Just like Mascherano in his first season :):):)

  • Jacob

    Aug 5, 2007 at 11:41 AM

    Comment #22

    KevinHann – The Blofeld bit was just my imagination – It’s not real. As for him refusing to play, I read that a few paragraphs above. By the way, It’s MAM not MOM round here.

  • IanG

    Aug 5, 2007 at 11:48 AM

    Comment #23

    My viws are this; either West ham got cold feet and fabricated an excuse – unlikely though – or Newcastle became aware of another interested party who are prepared to pay more. Contrary to some reports in the press I don’t buy thae fact that BSA needs to generate his own funds and indeed if he doesn’t need to be financially self-sufficient Newcastle don’t need to offload Dyer at this time especially if Newcastle belive there is a possibiity of a higher offer from another club.

  • Jacob

    Aug 5, 2007 at 11:50 AM

    Comment #24

    KevinHann – Dyer’s people were adamant yesterday that Kieron will not be returning to Newcastle. Let’s just remind them politely that if Newcastle want Kieron back he still has two years left on his contract and would need to honor that – ( This article )

    Blofeld was a character in Diamonds are Forever.

  • Ed Harrison

    Aug 5, 2007 at 11:52 AM

    Comment #25

    Ian G – agree completely with you on the funds – it’s just paper talk – and wrong.

  • Rich

    Aug 5, 2007 at 12:17 PM

    Comment #26

    yeah im hoping someone else is prepared to pay more, id laugh if it was a foreign club and we were just messing with him 🙂 or is that my evil side coming out….

    seriously though, i dont want to see him here next season… remember weve still got just under 1 month to offload him, we dont have to get rid of him within the next 5-6 days.

    i dont think Barton will go to jail, and even if he did i dont think Sam can trust Dyer to fill those boots.

    The Ashley involvement doesnt sound right because hes put Chris Mort in charge and hasnt really done anything himself apart from buy the club & de-list us so i find that hard to believe.

    i reckon well find out sooner or later, but i hopeful Dyer will be playing some where else soon, not only for his general attitude over the past 9 years but the fact he soaks up a basic 80K per week.

  • Craig

    Aug 5, 2007 at 12:20 PM

    Comment #27

    KevinHann – ‘Fans forgot quite fast that we didn’t relegate last season only because he came back and lead the team to several invaluable points.’

    I don’t agree. He was good for a few games, particularly at home against Portsmouth and then he went sour – typical Dyer form. You can argue that Roeder played him out of position, which is fair enough. But i think it was Obafemi Martins’ goals which saved us from relegation last season. That and the away game at Sheffield United were pivotal.

  • Darren

    Aug 5, 2007 at 12:23 PM

    Comment #28

    Rumours are great – the latest one going around Newcastle is that Dyer wants to leave as he has got the daughter of someone you really wouldn’t want to mess with pregnant.

    Probably rubbish but you cannot beat the old chinese whispers!

  • KevinHann

    Aug 5, 2007 at 12:26 PM

    Comment #29

    No way Dyer could play the role Barton should. Dyer is not a fighter, we got Joey to do what Parker failed to last season. I think Kieron will be a competitor for Smith’s AMC place – if he stays, of course.

  • evil dick

    Aug 5, 2007 at 12:30 PM

    Comment #30

    i smell a rat!

    I think there’s more to it, not sure what though..

  • George

    Aug 5, 2007 at 12:56 PM

    Comment #31

    This has got to be the mystery of the season. Dyer deal off!!!!
    Makes me wonder why and moreso the fact it involves West Ham.
    One “STORY” in a sunday comic says it is because WH were boasting about signing KD and that upset NUFC. Ah come on, are they for real.
    I think that with all that has gone on could there be a bit of “AGENT” trouble!
    Has KDs agent tried to get more for him. Has the agent been honest (as if they are). Or have West Ham just got cold feet and are looking for an easy way out and blame NUFC. Lets face it others are used to us being in the news for the wrong reasons.
    Whatever it is i hope they sort KD out ASAP, as there is no way that he will ever be happy here again and what is the point of keeping an unhappy player.

  • Edd Case

    Aug 5, 2007 at 2:02 PM

    Comment #32

    I wouldn’t be suprised if the actual reason the Dyer to West Ham deal fell through was that another team, probably Spurs, are actually still interested in Dyer and they have offered a player plus cash deal – which Sam prefers.

    That would make sense to me as a possible reason.
    Or perhaps we’ve offered Dyer to Spurs for a player exchange deal, they said no, then decided to say yes, or offered someone else?

  • Ed Harrison

    Aug 5, 2007 at 2:03 PM

    Comment #33

    Edd – hope so.

  • Ed Harrison

    Aug 5, 2007 at 2:04 PM

    Comment #34

    Darren – 99.9999% certain to be not true 😀

  • Andy T

    Aug 5, 2007 at 7:50 PM

    Comment #35

    Anyone put 2 & 2 together yet?
    Dyer is on 80Kpw – thats 4 million a year – thats 8 Million over the remainder of his contract. So If dyer wanted to become a free agent – 8 Million is the price tag.
    If he doesn’t return to Newcastle and play as contracted – he will be fined (probably 2 weeks wages for each failure to show). The presure is now on his agents to find a buyer at the higher price.


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