Teams:
Derby County: Stephen Bywater, Tyrone Mears, Dean Leacock, Claude Davis, Andy Griffin, Gary Teale, Stephen Pearson, Eddie Lewis, Kenny Miller, Steve Howard, Matt Oakley
Subs: Jay McEveley, David Jones, Robert Earnshaw, Andy Todd, Benny Feilhaber
Newcastle: Steve Harper, Steven Taylor, Cacapa, David Rozehnal, Charles N’Zogbia, Alan Smith, Nicky Butt, Geremi, James MIlner, Shola Ameobi, Michael Owen
Subs: Habib Beye, Abdoulaye Faye, Oba Martins, Matty Pattison, Shay Given
Referee: Peter Walton
The game started very slowly and the initial exchanges were very start stop. After 11 minutes N’Zogbia got a shot in for Newcastle but it was way over the bar.
Newcastle were not looking too good in the opening exchanges and it was obvious that Derby were going to give their all in this game - and were starting to win the 50-50 balls. But after 18 minutes Newcastle should have been ahead when a Milner run picked out Owen on the left of the penalty area and Michael gets it back across goal only for Rozehnal to hit it wide in front of an open goal. It was harder to miss than score. Newcastle should have scored.
In the early exchanges Eddie Lewis on the left wing is giving Steven Taylor some trouble wit6h his speed. The game is very start stop in the first 30 minutes and Newcastle are looking lethargic - they need to wake up.
A couple of times Derby County are getting through on the Newcastle defense who are backing off too much. After 27 minutes Miller is allowed to progress too far and should have done better as his shot is blocked.
Then after 39 minutes Derby get a sloppy goal. Newcastle had been pushing at the other end at a corner but the ball went out of play for a Derby free kick. Goalkeeper Bywater sent a long free kick into the Newcastle half and from 35 yards out, with no challenge from either of Newcastle’s center-backs, Kenny Miller, making his debut from Celtic, hits a wonderful shot into the top corner and over Harper’s head. A good goal for Derby but a poor one to concede for Newcastle.
Questions have to be asked if Cacapa, Rozehnal and Harper were fully awake. It didn’t look like it. The worrying thing is Newcastle look very lethargic against a poor Derby team. They should get a rollicking at half time from Sam - and this is why you have a big squad. Some of the Newcastle players don’t seem to have turned up for the match and it’s deja vu all over again.
The defense doesn’t look as sharp as it’s been in the past with Cacapa and Rozehnal looking too hesitant at times.
The first half is reminiscent of Newcastle of old - not good - and they will need to improve significantly in the second half to get anything out of this game.
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99 responses so far ↓
1 Howie // Sep 17, 2007 at 21:07
GET SHOLA OFF
2 Ivan // Sep 17, 2007 at 21:08
come on!
3 Ivan // Sep 17, 2007 at 21:09
put martins on
4 JoshI // Sep 17, 2007 at 21:10
Is BSA an inside agent or something?? WHY NO MARTINS??
5 JoshI // Sep 17, 2007 at 21:13
WTF??? Owen OFF??
6 t-g-w // Sep 17, 2007 at 21:16
Wtf is going on? On BBC updates it says we have 55% possession… Are we not using it?
7 JEFFBRUM // Sep 17, 2007 at 21:18
FAYE ON FOR GEREMI NOW
8 Magjp // Sep 17, 2007 at 21:18
I dont get this. Am I the only one who thinks our problem IS NOT the strikers, IT IS THE MIDFIELD thats crap!!!!!!
9 Dalston // Sep 17, 2007 at 21:20
ed, agree with you our defence not as sharp, but i believe today’s problem lies with midfield.
10 JEFFBRUM // Sep 17, 2007 at 21:21
THATS DEFINITLY THE CASE TONIGHT…..WE ARE LOSING ALL THE 50/50 BALLS
11 Dalston // Sep 17, 2007 at 21:22
the field is very slippery…looks
12 AlexW // Sep 17, 2007 at 21:24
i come on expecting to see newcasltle 2-3 goals up to the good, but then i see this………………f*&^ck canada
13 JEFFBRUM // Sep 17, 2007 at 21:32
BEYE COMING ON FOR TAYLOR
14 Ashton // Sep 17, 2007 at 21:46
our first lose this season will be against derby
funny
15 Magjp // Sep 17, 2007 at 21:48
A.S needs to LEARN that,
NUFC is a 4-4-2 team
Smith is NOT a midfielder,
OWEN does not create, he is a poacher…
Nzogbia is ACTUALY a midfielder far better than Smith…
16 JEFFBRUM // Sep 17, 2007 at 21:51
FINAL WHISTLE AND WE LOOK SO GOOD ON PAPER….BUT TOTAL RUBBISH TONIGHT - GOOD WAKE UP CALL FOR US- WE AINT THAT GOOD REALLY !
17 Sinead // Sep 17, 2007 at 21:52
Well Derby deserve it. It was a good goal, I’m still kinda curious about what exactly Harper was doing like, he could have atleast made an attempt to stop it. It’ll be cruel on Derby if they loose tonight. Changes for Arsenal. That’s it. Newcastle’s first loss of the season….to Derby.
18 Big Sam Fan // Sep 17, 2007 at 21:52
sack of s***e!!!!!
19 Keep Oba // Sep 17, 2007 at 21:54
I heard Ameobi’s name once in the second half…I had forgot he was still on. Sell him.
20 apan // Sep 17, 2007 at 21:54
wtf faye for geremi, faye is slow like hell,
WTF IS AMEOBI DOING?!?!?!??!!?!??!??!?!?! HIS TOTAL CRAP!
21 Sinead // Sep 17, 2007 at 21:56
Sam got it wrong. He’ll have to change it for the Arsenal match. In fairness to Derby they faught like hell they showed real spirit and deserved to win. If Newcastle play like that against Arsenal well lets just say it wont be pretty. THe result tonight basically shows why the likes of Liverpool will finish probally in the top half and Newcastle wont. Changes for Arsenal or ye’ll get ripped apart.
Also there are rumours (yet again) that Wenger wants to have a chat to a certain keeper especially if he’s on the bench.
22 hadrian // Sep 17, 2007 at 21:56
we look like bolton , why play high balls to head of a target man ?, when there is someone twice his size marking him ,knocking him all over the pitch …… this was obvious from the fist 10 mins .
same old story in midfield aswell , to many so called ‘battlers’ who never won the ball tonight .
23 Dalston // Sep 17, 2007 at 21:57
Magjp, totally agree with you…
24 aaron d // Sep 17, 2007 at 21:57
what a load of shite, why did ameobi play? he was SHIT!!!!!!! Why take geremi off when he was playing so much better than butt who couldn’t keep the ball and gave away loads of free kicks.
25 Big Sam Fan // Sep 17, 2007 at 21:58
well said Hadrian
26 Pohlim // Sep 17, 2007 at 21:58
I had been following this site since a long time ago, and had always been a silent reader. But staying up till 5am in da morning (i’m from malaysia) watching newcastle playing some junk clueless football, is a complete waste of my time. Am I too expectant or newcastle just not good enough, especially in midfield?
And to be really honest, SHOLA AMEOBI just needs to leave, like immediately, because he cant do anything with the ball, cant shoot, cant hold, cant pass, cant control.. waste of space, waste of his size. Ship him to west ham maybe? Our little dumping ground..
27 Callum // Sep 17, 2007 at 21:59
Poor performance, deserved to lose
Ameobi cant head the ball, cant hold the ball up and has a crap first touch, remind me why he started?
Smith, for all his passion, he doesnt look right in the centre of midfield.
We lack creativity and when our only creative players like Milner and N’zogbia have a bad game, aswell as keeping Martins on the bench we have no one else who can provide that spark, maybe Barton will provide it.
28 dirk // Sep 17, 2007 at 21:59
normal service resumed….that was absolutely awful…even worse than a Souness/Roeder performance…….judging by that performance, that will be the first defeat of MANY!
29 Hog // Sep 17, 2007 at 22:00
Listened to it on 5 Live………..sounded like we just couldnt be bothered. Sack of Crap.
30 Darryl Money // Sep 17, 2007 at 22:01
Newcastle need a right kick up the backside. They do not deserve to be on the wages theyre on, if they get beat of premiership wannabes. Same happened last season. We dropped too many points from the teams that got relegated. Sickening! Makes u sick to be a newcastle supporter.
31 toonoholic // Sep 17, 2007 at 22:01
WE WERE SHIT … I CAN PLAY BETTER MIDFIELD :@
32 dirk // Sep 17, 2007 at 22:02
Harper out……Given in
Rozehnal out…….Taylor back in CB
N’Zogbia to LM
Milner to RM
and definately no Ameobi.
33 Darryl Money // Sep 17, 2007 at 22:03
on the goal that Miller scored, atleast Given would try and save it. Harper stands and watches too much.
34 nufcstats.com // Sep 17, 2007 at 22:03
so poor tonight. yeah the referies were the same (i.e. Rozehnal against Leacock again againt at set pieces) but it doesn’t change the fact Derby deserved that win. only good thing is now Shay should be back in goal. Harper can play great at times but he is not a class keeper. we don’t have a midfield. you can’t play with one Milner and battling 3 of Smith, Butt, Geremi/Faye. any creativity. our only good chance was Rozehnal on counter attack (shame didn’t score, he was one of the few positives tonight). Shola was poor, Oba touched the ball maybe twice. Taylor awful.
I’m affraid Smith will continue in the starting 11 because he is Ashley favourite…. we have to convert to 4-4-2 with Milner and N’Zogbia out wide and Geremi with Barton in the middle. Hope this will work.
the worst night for a few months…
35 dirk // Sep 17, 2007 at 22:03
Lets face it…..Big Sam is what he is….nothing more
36 Ian G // Sep 17, 2007 at 22:04
Dismal. Big Sam reminds me of Martin Jol at the moment and he should be looking over his shoulder because he made some very very bad decisions tonight.
Top 6? - wake up everyone - it isn’t going to happen and the way the Hammers are playing at the moment it looks like we’ll suffer the same fate on Saturday
37 Ian G // Sep 17, 2007 at 22:04
Or Sunday even
38 Ashton // Sep 17, 2007 at 22:05
it’s all big sam’s fault
4 - 4 - 3 it’s not working
we don’t need a big fat man up front we have owen and martins the best strikers in the EPL
ameobi is just a waste of space and time
he is not a good player he wasn’t a good player and he will never be a good player
and nobady know whats smith’s position is he a striker or a DM ?
bollocks !
39 The black in the blacknwhite // Sep 17, 2007 at 22:06
I cant believ this
why in gods name if you have to deadly in form strikers you dont play them together, I hate this big man little man crap, it f*cks up england and it is now doing the same to use
If there was ever a detrimental football cliche its the big man little man theory, as ifits standard.
any one remember Romario and Bebeto USA 94
Martins and Owen, tell me what defender wants to face that combination?
Ameobi, well the boy didnt win one header, offside doesnt seem to be too familiar to the boy, didnt hold the ball at all
The midfield- Butt and Smith should not be in the team, Butt shows us why Alex Ferguson was willing to let him go, ditto for Smith. both play with there backs to the oppositions goal, and passs the ball sideways, never forward, butt wwas guilty of this on too many occassions. smith does nothing butt foul and swear, his like an parker, but without the finesse
we have no creativity in midfield, even though we have Nzogbia- who we know if at aresnal would be playing over the shadow of the striker
I am not calling BS head, we need continuity, but he needs to play his best strikers, not one great and one simply because he is over 6″ and he has to reslise that Smith doesnt offer much
I am going tyo bed with a feeling of being cheated, £10 for that shit channel sententa (£19) for crap, and the game was over the internet !!!!!
Sort it out sam Owen+Martin- the damn midfield!!!!
40 JEFFBRUM // Sep 17, 2007 at 22:06
NOT TOO MUCH WRONG WITH OUR DEFENCE…..FORWARDS WILL BE FINE ( EXCEPT FOR AMIOBI ) WITH GOOD SERVICE - MIDFIELD IS THE PROBLEM……. GENERAL PERFORMANCES SAY ZOG AND MILNER TO KEEP PLACES…..THE 2 CENTRAL MIDFIELDERS ARE REAL WEAKNESS - NO CRAFT / CREATIVITY TONIGHT.
41 Jeff D // Sep 17, 2007 at 22:06
Big Sam got it all wrong tonight!
What a load of old shit. Im going to be Embarrassed at work again tomorrow.Different team different manager same old shit.If i was as shit at my job as that lot were tonight,i’d be sacked!
They should’nt be allowed to pick up their wages this week,they should donate them to charity.
42 Keio // Sep 17, 2007 at 22:06
Catastrophic! It’s hard to add anything, but: no creativity, loads of stupid errors (terrible 1st touches, atrocious tackling, lack of pace…) and no passing play at all.
Are we doomed?
43 Sinead // Sep 17, 2007 at 22:07
Newcastle showed no heart. Derby were just, they fought, all the way. Newcastle were poor, they never created anything and they didn’t deserve to win.
Owen might as well of not been on the pitch. A very unhappy looking Martins and Given on the bench, they should have been have been on. Owen will never look for it, if he gets the ball put in front of him in good space he’ll shoot and maybe score. Martins works hard, Owen doesn’t. Ya fine it was a good goal but Harper didn’t even try, I’d put a lot of money on saying that Given would of went for it, he mightn’t of stoped it, even though I’ve seen him make saves that seem humanly immposible like he’s moving and the balls in slow motion, I’ve seen him do it so many times and who knows maybe he would have saved it.
If Sam doesn’t wake up and swallow some pride, ignore the media then he’ll hopefully pick the right team.
Derby were OK and that’s the sad thing they were only ok. On work rate and heart they won it hands down like but other then that they weren’t great so what does that say about Newcastle.
44 JJ // Sep 17, 2007 at 22:07
Yip, completely right. We just arnt as good as we thought. Ameobi loses the ball every time it touches him (great target man, NOT!!!). Smith as a freekick wating to happen in midfield and poor Charlie is wasted in defense while our 6.3M pound signing warms the bench.
After watching this game, all our concerns have shone through and Sam has really fallen hugely after shocking tactical play in this game.
Owen needed to be rested, (we all said it) I just hope he’s not injured because of a costly error.
Incredibly disappointed.
*key, Smith should replace Ameobi up front as a target man if Viduka is injured.
Nzogbia should move into midfield so we have some creativity besides Milner.
* Play our 6M pound signing at left back.
45 SteveD // Sep 17, 2007 at 22:09
Agree re Harps - no effort made to save the sot - Given would have been in full flight
Ameobi - not good enough bony lad
Owen off - strange decision, must keep him fit for England and stuff the tem who pay his wages eh?
You got it wrong tonight Sam, learn from it - we could have been third with a 0-3 win tonight you know?
46 Obafan // Sep 17, 2007 at 22:10
What an awful game of football. All credits to Derby, they won it, but it is our own fault. There are some things which I just don’t understand in the selection BSA has made;
1. Ameobi starts and Martins sits on the bench for him
2. Taylor who is IMO not clear in his heas at this moment to play is on the pitch for 72 minustes and has done nothing
3. Geremi IMO tried to launch the attacks by playing via the wings has to go off for a more defensive Faye
4. Butt and Smith never were into the game
5. Smith gets the captaincy when Germi went off, ridiculous; Cacapa would have got it. By miles the best player on the pitch tonight.
6. 90th minute and look who still fools around on the Derby football pitch; IT’S SHOLA MISERABLE AMEOBI
7. How many times did we run out of the pitch with the ball our gave a pass that crossed the sideline (Zog did it 10 times I think) at our feet; like children who don’t know that crossing the line isn’t allowed.
8. We are lucky that it only stayed 1-0 against, let’s be honnest, a weak team (with lots of battle intensions, so all credits to them).
9. Harper can not be blamed for the goal.
At the end it’s only 1 game and now hopefully the squad (and also the fans, including me) return with their feet to the ground because the last week everything was so positive and all, but tonight showed us that we still have lots of work to do to break into the top of the EPL.
47 dirk // Sep 17, 2007 at 22:11
“Martins works hard, Owen doesn’t” - Sinead, if thats what you think, you know nowt about football!
48 Ashton // Sep 17, 2007 at 22:11
our 6M pound signing is injured !!
http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/epl_injury_table.php?SKEY=61a37b473813191c1a61dabf22d41209
49 Hobs // Sep 17, 2007 at 22:13
We really need someone to take on them tight hard pressing defences. Zoggy on left back is no good today, we need him in midfield to run with the ball and supply creative passes in the middle. All we have today is players who’s only skill is to win the ball back. We need someone to control match speed, and deliver good passes to break up the defence. It’s no good when we only push long balls forward from the centre backs, Shola is useless the way we play him today and really doesn’t give much of an effort to do something about it either. Is it to late to send him out on loan and get Carrol back?
50 Dalston // Sep 17, 2007 at 22:13
Harper has been caught a few times on occasions like this…he has to recongise this is one of his weakness and to improve…
51 Sinead // Sep 17, 2007 at 22:15
It starts now, because in fairness ye’ve had a fairly delusional start, it’s going to go down hill now and it’s going to be the same old story, Sam is no savior. Unless he wakes up with the team with the players on and off the pitch, alot of bad desicions.
Given should have been on, Martins aswell, Smith, ye underastimate how much of a hard worker he is, he will always look and fight for the ball, unlike the boys up front tonight. Sam is trying to keep all the strikers happy he’s trying to keep everyone happy and I’m sorry enough of this lovey dovey he’s playing well lets leave him there untill he makes a mistake crap. Do you think that Fergie sitting there thinking well you know I think I’ll keep Rooney on the bench cause eh well we can’t just put him straight back in so we’ll just leave eh young Eagles there he hasn’t made a mistake.
I don’t think so. That’s what seperates the top teams and the others, they’re ruthless. They put their best team on the pitch whenever they can. None of this touchy feely crap.
52 JEFFBRUM // Sep 17, 2007 at 22:15
JUST SCRAPING 10th IN LEAGUE……………REAL WAKE-UP CALL FOR US ! AND WE HAVE USED UP OUR GAME IN HAND.
53 apan // Sep 17, 2007 at 22:17
AMEOBI IS THE REASON WE LOSE TONITE!
AMEOBI IS PURE CRAP!
SELL HIM! SELL! SELL HIM!
WE ONLY GOT 10 MAN ON THE FIELD
im bloody pissed, its 5 am in Malaysia and i stay up all night long just to watch this crap, BSA got his tactics wrong this time, stop munching and start working!
54 Jon Armann // Sep 17, 2007 at 22:19
this was shit, everybody played like shit¨!!!!!! the only reason i want to see Given in Goal in stead of Harper is because if defenders are doing some crap, given lets them know and yells like crazy while Harper just pat them on the back??? Shola OFF!!!!!!
55 carl // Sep 17, 2007 at 22:20
Its so easy, If he doesnt want to play Owen and Oba together, play smith up there when Viduka is injured. thats where he wants to play and it would rid us of Shola Amanobody. MY GOD, WHY DOES MANAGER AFTER MANAGER PLAY HIM! I can only assume he is like Pele in training! it would also free up milner for the right, let Zog go to left and our new Left back play. It was just ugly tonight. Im all for Big Sam but he can only get away with playing crap football if were winning!
56 Sinead // Sep 17, 2007 at 22:20
Dirk..he works harder..well whem I say that I mean he’ll run more looking for the ball Owen just “poaches” and that’s more then likely what his injury has restricted him too. We’d be better off having Smith up front at this rate. He’ll atleast work for it.
57 nufcstats.com // Sep 17, 2007 at 22:21
yeah Harper is able to concide a goal from more than 50 meters so he can’t be blame that one from only 25 went in…. if Sam had to play Smith he could play him instead of Shola but it is so stupid not to play two small forwards the same time and put someone just because he is over 6 foot… and loose every header. completely wrong tactics tonight and good manager would play completely different formation after the break. I have no idea (still) where we can use Faye (maybe Faye will be a new word for useless in the NE)
58 Luke // Sep 17, 2007 at 22:21
That was absolutely disgusting, we played like newcastle of last year, and we seriuosly lacked a lot of creativity in midfield. Can someone please tell me why ameobi started? he was worse than bad.
59 The black in the blacknwhite // Sep 17, 2007 at 22:21
big sam in an interview on sententa just said
I didnt expect to win tonight
.can you f*&%^ng believe that!!!!!!!!!!!
he said a draw would have been good
this a team tottenham beat 4-0 and liverpool 6-0
we could be in trouble- just can t believe he didnt expect to win tonight, anyone see this?
60 JEFFBRUM // Sep 17, 2007 at 22:22
SAM IN INTERVIEW SAYS HE TOOK OWEN OFF COS HIS GROIN WAS TROUBLING HIM AT HALF TIME - HOPEFULLY OK FOR WEEKEND.
61 Dalston // Sep 17, 2007 at 22:24
he did not really look bothered tonight during the match comparing to Derby coach…
62 dirk // Sep 17, 2007 at 22:25
Sinead
Michael Owen is working from the first minute to the last - he is always testing defenders off the ball, trying to find space. It is because he is always working, looking for space when he doesnt have the ball that he finds himself with so many chances.
Oba on the other hand only starts working when he has the ball at his feet - before that he aint bothered, which is why he’ll never be in the same class as Owen
63 Ashton // Sep 17, 2007 at 22:25
The black in the blacknwhite
very funny
64 t-g-w // Sep 17, 2007 at 22:26
For God’s sake how fickle are you?! I said it over and over and over and over and over again that we should not have been complacent against Derby, and then certain people come on here expecting us to be 2-3 goals up. Just because we lost 1 game everyone is saying the manager is crap. Dunno about you but I’m delighted with what he has done so far. Yes he could a few things wrong tonight but he will turn it around. Comparing him to Roeder/Souness is just ignorant. What had they ever done in their managing careers before they came here? The honeymoon period is over and I for 1 think its a damn good thing. We’ve come back down to earth with a f***ing huge bump and the players need to learn that a performance like this is not good enough. Yes we should have beaten Derby but Sam Allardyce is a f***cking man not a superhero - he can’t turn us into champions over night! just calm down. Come the end of the season I doubt this result will make much difference. If anything this will make us stronger.
65 dirk // Sep 17, 2007 at 22:27
Youre probably right, but that defeat is hurting like a hangover
66 Ian G // Sep 17, 2007 at 22:27
Heard the interview - nothing wrong with Owen IMO, Sam just looking for a plausable excuse. Blamed the internstional break and the fast we didn’t take our chances. Well the game I watched there was only one clear cut chance in it so I’m not sure what game he was watching. And Sam , stop chewing gum with your mouth open and tighten your tie - you look unprofessional.
67 Ashton // Sep 17, 2007 at 22:29
@ t-g-w
we lost against derby !!
68 Sinead // Sep 17, 2007 at 22:29
Dirk I think you’re stuck in the past there, he used to do all that and more but realistically he can’t he physically can’t.
69 t-g-w // Sep 17, 2007 at 22:30
Of course BSA didn’t expect to win. No matter what Derby’s previous results were you have to respect a team to play. You do not EXPECT to win you have to DESERVE to win.
70 Obafan // Sep 17, 2007 at 22:31
I’m hoping Emre will get a chance in one of the upcoming games. He is a creative midfield player who really can launch our attacks. Indeed the midfield is no real midfield;
- Butt is too old; plays with his heart, but is always too late in taking good position
- Geremi has to be on the right wing, his best season at Boro was in that position.
- Smith is no midfield player; he is a striker and should have been upfront with Martins.
- Milner; I don’t understand why everybody is always happy with his perfornance. IMO he is just a dribler who sometimes gets lucky to pass his man and if he does 9 out of 10 centers are bad. Tactically he also is a big zero.
GIVEN (because of the reason Jon Armann mentionned, not because of today’s goal)
BEYE - ROZEHNAL - CACAPA (world class) - ENRIQUE
GEREMI - EMRE - BARTON - N’ZOGBIA (DUFF when he returns from injury)
OWEN - MARTINS (and stop all the nonsense about 2 little strikers)
Subs: FAYE - HARPER - SMITH - VIDUKA - CARR
No Milner, because of the reason mentionned above.
No Taylor, because of his attitutde the last couple of days. If he thinks he is good enough to say that if he doens’t start he will leave then he has got it completely wrong, because he already made lots of mistakes this season (1 st goal Boro, tonight 2 good passes and 50 bad touches).
71 t-g-w // Sep 17, 2007 at 22:33
Yea I know we lost aginst Derby. They didn’t expect to win but were damn well prepared to earn the 3 points. Ashton, saying its all BSA’s fault is ridiculous. Was he playing poorly tonight?
72 nufcstats.com // Sep 17, 2007 at 22:33
t-g-w it is not only about the result. it is just football and it is ok when you feel we played the best possible way with the best selected (it is always hard to judge because we don’t know what’s going in the trainings etc) but first of all everyone on and of the pitch is involved and try to win. I didn’t see that tonight. that’s all and it is obvious our midfield is one of the weakest in the whole league right now. everyone was so happy to see dyer’s back but he was one of the very few that was able to make a difference.
73 Dalston // Sep 17, 2007 at 22:35
well said, nufcstats.com
74 t-g-w // Sep 17, 2007 at 22:36
Obafan what attitude has Taylor been showing the last couple of days? Rejecting a new contract which was apparently less than other “hot prospects”? Seems perfectly sensible to me!
75 Nicci // Sep 17, 2007 at 22:36
Sam, you have a great squad and we have been teling you that for weeks. But you have to select the right players. 50,000 fans always told Souness and Roeder that Ameobi doesn’t fit the Bill, they have also told you and yet, he still seems to get games when we have better options. You played a centre half at left back with 2 x centre halves on the bench. Smith is not playing well, especially on the right. We keep telling you we need Milner and Zog on the wings so Owen and co can be fed good balls. I hope we have learned some good lessons from this result and West ham get the backlash. Come on Sam you know what the fans want and you have the players to do it.
76 t-g-w // Sep 17, 2007 at 22:38
If its not about the result, would you rather we came top of the Premiership playing poorly every game and winning 1-0 or finishing mid table and playing attractive football?
77 Ashton // Sep 17, 2007 at 22:38
Obafan
i disagree
tylor is better stronger and yuonger then cacapa
and milner is far better then gerimi in a righ wing position .
78 Darryl Money // Sep 17, 2007 at 22:42
Wouldnt agree about that Ashton. I Believe Cacapa has alot more pedigree, and experience and is better than Taylor. Theres absolutely no doubt in my mind about that
Taylor however, still deserves too be in the team. But even if its Sub, thats alrite! hes only young.
79 AltaBatalJoneN // Sep 17, 2007 at 22:45
I agree with most of the comments here. AMEOBI is C_R_A_P!!! Butt likewise, and should have been sent off.. And I hope Sam spanks Taylors ass with the new contract. He must understand that although people speak of him as the new John Terry, he is still soooo far away and I hope he realise that pretty soon.. He has to be considered as backup with the players we have in defence now, and stop comparing himself with Milner and Zog who are our best wide players and therefor in the starting line-up.. And most of all a big CREDIT to DERBY who was the best team today. They were running their shirts off, and fought for every ball.. Now I hope we destroy West Ham on sunday.
80 Witters // Sep 17, 2007 at 22:45
That’s single most biggest pile of shit i’ve seen. it was like the last 2/3 seasons wrapped up in 90 minutes. awful. can’t pass. can’t control the ball. can’t keep the ball in play. an embarassing display with no player deserving any credit whatsoever.
if taylor thinks he warrants an improved contract based on that, he’s deluded. i don’t remember ‘local boys’, gerard & carragher ever letting liverpool down.
81 nufcstats.com // Sep 17, 2007 at 22:45
t-g-w first of all I wrote about result. not results. just tonight game not generally what football is all about. of course it is about results but you will never win the league or cup playing so poorly. you can win single matches and that’s all. I’m not saying about playing nice enterteining football but about right tactics, selection and commitment on the pitch. if Derby would come and play great game we can lose but they were only fighting and well organised. this was enough for poor us…
so please don’t try to tell me what I meant because it was about tonight game and what was more upseting for me then just a loss.
82 ToonKing // Sep 17, 2007 at 22:46
Jesus, just got home from watching the game, i tried to convert a few mates to support the TOON, we it’s safe to say they won’t ever do that.
Jesus- what happened out there?? I’m shell shocked :(, simply awful.terrible, horror. not one player did well, maybe Cacapa.
I always backed Ameobi, but this was it, he was simply………damn i can’t even find words for it, sell the lad or loan him out or whatever but i don’t wanna see him anymore near the pitch. He can’t even trap the damn ball, it’s like kicking it in a stone wall, just bounces off. Speechless.
Next : Butt, WTF is he doing in midfield??? terrible, sell him to Leeds and lets move on, he was good once but he’s done with. We need Barton like air.
Next: Smith, he can do a job in the middle or up front, but not on the wing, come on ffs, there are 2 quality’s u look at in a winger : pace and crossing , Smith has no pace and can’t cross to save his life.
Next : Taylor, again, terrible, he’s no RB.
Next: Harper he was in great form and i almost forgot why he was on the bench. He’s good but looses concentration to often. Get Shay back ASAP.
Next: Geremi : he’s starting to show his true colors, he may like CM and be decent there but he played RB for most of his career and it shows, it was he’s fault that we conceded, how an EPL experienced player can miss a header like that is beyond me.
Rest: Zog was decent so was Milner, Owen was obviously tired + he never got a decent pass, same with Martins, not one decent pass.
When Barton comes back pair him with Smith in the middle with Milner and Zog on the wings and Owen with Martins up front. When we get a player like Adriano, Iaquinta, Kanoute, Berbatov, Koller then we can play the Big Man/ Little Man, Viduka is up for it to sometimes, but Ameobi has got to go.
Damn i can’t believe i waited 2 weeks to see this, we got a reality call and so did Sam, i hope he reevaluates everything cause this was a complete disaster.
83 Obafan // Sep 17, 2007 at 22:50
@ Ashton:
Come on man, you can’t be serious saying that Cacapa is not as good as Taylor. He is 50 times better than the youngster. Stay a bit realistic please, cause that’s pure nonsense you typed overthere. Taylor has got a great future if he keeps his mind clear. The last couple of days too manyt things hapenned around him which did not do good to him to play tonight. So IMO he must not have started tonight aven if everything whis is written is not true.
84 Darryl Money // Sep 17, 2007 at 22:50
“He can’t even trap the damn ball, it’s like kicking it in a stone wall, just bounces off. Speechless. ” LMAO!
85 ToonKing // Sep 17, 2007 at 22:52
Oh crap i forgot about Emre, when Barton comes back pair him with Emre.
86 AltaBatalJoneN // Sep 17, 2007 at 22:55
t-g-w
Football is really all about results!! With RESULTS comes the money, the self- esteem, the enthusiasm and the best players wanting to come.. Chelski won two premier titles winning 1-0 in every game, and I rather that happend than playing fancy football and loosing/ get relegated…
87 ToonKing // Sep 17, 2007 at 23:02
Oh yeah Faye was decent too when he come on.
88 AltaBatalJoneN // Sep 17, 2007 at 23:05
ToonKing
I agree with you on Faye.. He should play the defensive midfielder role..
89 ToonKing // Sep 17, 2007 at 23:07
Yeah and make Butt stadium manager or doorman or something cause he’s been shite now for a couple of games and was horror today.
90 AltaBatalJoneN // Sep 17, 2007 at 23:12
I got a strange feeling when I read that BSA was to discuss a new contract with him (Butt).. I honestly believe we should aim higher!!!
91 AltaBatalJoneN // Sep 17, 2007 at 23:14
not strange, BAD!!!
92 apan // Sep 17, 2007 at 23:19
faye for butt (we need to win more 50/50 ball)
given for harper (harper goalkick was very poor for me)
zoggy for enrique (so he can play left wing)
smith for barton/emre (obviously smith is a striker)
beye for taylor (he cross better than taylor & more exp, taylor is a CB!)
finally ANYONE FOR SHOLA AMEOBI
93 Ashton // Sep 17, 2007 at 23:20
Obafan
where the f*&^ck was cacapa when he was 21 !!
taylor is better just give him a chance to develop and he will be the best defender in the EPL
he was very good with rozehnal in CD
and with both beye and enrique our defens will be very solid and powefull so just give the youngster a break !!
cacapa is good but he will never be better then taylor .
94 apan // Sep 17, 2007 at 23:25
ashton sorry to say i disagreed totally with u 100%
CACAPA is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better than taylor, u should check his resume ex lyon’s captain for 5 years, experience CB, total composure on the ball, one of the best signing this season
taylor is good but still needs time to developed the better word is
taylors is good but currently cacapa is way better, in 4 5 years prob but not now
95 AltaBatalJoneN // Sep 17, 2007 at 23:28
we need midfielders with finnishing skills and desire to go forward.. why the heck was Rozenhal the one to finnish our one good counter attack???
96 perry // Sep 18, 2007 at 2:17
I feel embarrassed to being a Newcastle fans. My friend is an MU fans will be laughing at me. We lose to the bottom club in the table.
97 w2 // Sep 18, 2007 at 3:04
Pathetic performance. Ameobi is useless! Bring back Andy Carrol send Ameobi on loan. FFS! Geremi is not a midfield player, even i can make those sort of passes. Sh*te! No one closing down opponent midfielders making shots from the middle of the park so stupid. Where’s the holding midfielder?
98 joe // Sep 18, 2007 at 4:26
Hey sam! I play attacking midfield and i can actually PASS and CONTROL the ball! And i would gladly play for 10k a week!
Oh wait u probably wouldnt want me cos i hate playin the long ball.. And i’m not a “battler”. You’re a fantastic manager no doubt but your tactics are pure rubbish.
99 Shearer 4 pm // Sep 18, 2007 at 21:37
f**s sack will u lot stop f**in moanin we have only lost one game it was goin to happen some time lay off, at least bolton are bottom haha
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