Allardyce – Wonder Goal Beat Us

Sam Allardyce seems to put down Newcastle terrible display last night to the international break that saw 14 players away on international duty.

Last night’s first defeat of the season was a real let down for Newcastle fans who had thought they would never see a display like that again from a Sam Allardyce managed team.

But the display showed Newcastle players were always second best and hardly ever won a 50-50 ball – and that was against the team holding up the Premier league.


Sam Allardyce woeful performance from the team last night

This is what Sam said after the game last night:

“We’re disappointed because the sad thing for me is when you have 14 away on international duty for the best part of 10, 12 days, and can’t get hold of them to come back and get the team in order – it was apparent tonight.”

“We’re new together anyway, we didn’t really want the international break after the result against Wigan.”

“Saying that, it came down to poor finishing for us tonight.”

“In the end we were beaten by a wonder goal. Sometimes you have to hold your hands up, there was very little anybody could have done with what the strike was about. Probably 49 times out of 50 it would go over the bar.”

“Tonight it went into the back of net. It was great for Derby, and a bit of a sickener for us.”

It’s at least true what Sam said. Rozehnal was set up beautifully by Michael Owen after 18 minutes and all he had to do was put the ball in the gaping net from about 12 yards but David blasted wide. That would definitely have changed the game in Newcastle’s favor.

But that’s all woulda coulda shoulda – and it didn’t happen. Instead we got a classic display from Newcastle when the team as a whole just didn’t turn up for the match. It was like some sad days gone by.

If they had been playing Liverpool or Manchester United they would have been a lot more awake than they were last night. We think it may even have been some over-confidence, if that’s possible.

Anyway, no more of these performances … please.

Comments welcome.

24 comments so far

  • Toon Chicken

    Sep 18, 2007 at 9:11 AM

    Comment #1

    5 days til we get a chance to turn things around again. And no better way to do it than to rub the faces of Bellamy, Bowyer & Co right in it by stuffing them.

    Haway the lads! We are better than this.

  • jason

    Sep 18, 2007 at 9:13 AM

    Comment #2

    Watched the game last night and had predicted a tuff match..there was alot of talk about the liverpool result and fair play they responded with a quality strike and some grit and determination.
    We looked a shadow of ourselves creativly and I hope its just a blip down to international duty..the passing was also pretty woeful, hopefully we can move on from this and get another decent run together.

  • jason

    Sep 18, 2007 at 9:14 AM

    Comment #3

    its howay the lads chicken heed : )

  • Steeley

    Sep 18, 2007 at 9:24 AM

    Comment #4

    I’m sorry, but its a sad state of affairs when Allardyce feels he has to try and blame the players being on intl duty for his mistakes! It’s plain and simple….him playing Ameobi has been his biggest mistake since he joined us! He was woeful last night and BSA needs to bite the bullet and admit that Owen and Martins playing together last night would have done a million times better than Owen and Ameobi. In fact, from the abysmal showing by him, I think we would have done better if we only had the 10 men! I heard from the stats that Owen only got 14 touches of the ball all match….so much for the big man/little man combo working eh?
    It really is time that we get rid of the last drags of the previous regime once and for all….AMEOBI OUT!!!!

  • Macas

    Sep 18, 2007 at 9:26 AM

    Comment #5

    Can’t expect to win games with 3 defensive midfielders, tactics have been poor all season.
    And Ameobi will never be good enough.

  • Toon Chicken

    Sep 18, 2007 at 9:26 AM

    Comment #6

    sorry Jason – I allways came bottum ov tha class in me geordie spellun tests

  • jason

    Sep 18, 2007 at 9:29 AM

    Comment #7

    You are forgiven fella

  • Steven

    Sep 18, 2007 at 9:32 AM

    Comment #8

    I think it was more down to bad tactics, lack of creativity, Ameobi starting ahead of Martins due to some ‘big player little player’ myth, wrong substitutions and Alan Smith as captain – than a wonder goal and/or international duty.

    This is just my opinion, but I reckon we would be much better with Milner on the right and N’Zogbia on the left of midfield if we are going to play a big striker little striker formation, with Alan Smith or Viduka as the big striker – Ameobi on the bench (not used if possible).

    Having two little fast strikers would be great if we weren’t using that crappy, boring ‘SAM missile’ tactic – keep the ball on the ground for gods sake, we are rubbish in the air!

    Sorry for the long post/rant but I’m just really disappointed with yesterdays match; not the previous games, not the games to come, I’m not even mentioning the fact that we should be challenging for a top 8 place (that’s not too much to ask though, right?) – yesterdays game was just crap, we got beat by a team that some people are saying are the worst team in the premiership, it wasn’t just the nice goal that finished us off, they could have had many more.

  • maggpie

    Sep 18, 2007 at 9:44 AM

    Comment #9

    Spot on Steeley. Ameobi is total sh1+e and always has been. We should have let him go to Boro and kept Carrol. It’s not a bad thing to have a youngster within your 4 strikers as he will be grateful for any games and won’t be banging on the managers door. Did Ameobi win a single ball in the air? He is a bumbling, ineffective waste of space. They showed his goal stats before the game, something like 46 in 226 or one in five. Get rid of him and don’t play him unless we have to.
    This really was back to the old days and was a very worrying performance. Forget international duty and wonder goals. We could barely string two passes together. This was rubbish of the worst kind.
    My team ratings:

    Harper 6 Can’t be blamed for the goa; and had little to do but did fumble one harmless shot which could have cost us.
    Taylor 5 Not a right back and not good enough going forward.
    Cacapa 6 OK but not as impressive as in recent games.
    Rozehnal 5 Poor game. Missed a sitter and squandered possession.
    N’Zogbia 6 Average game and looked vulnerable at times.
    Milner 7 Gutsy as ever and never gave up. One of our better players on the night.
    Geremi 6 Took every set piece kick and throw but that’s all.
    Butt 6 Got stuck in as always but no creativity.
    Smith 5 Needs to stop diving in and learn to tackle properly on his feet. Will get a yellow a game if he doesn’t and some reds.
    Owen 5 Anonymous, but no service.
    Ameobi 2 Useless. Wouldn’t even be a hit in the Championship. Get rid.

    Martins 5 No service.
    Faye 4 Did he touch the ball?
    Beye 5 Too little time to judge fairly.

    BSA 4 Bad tactics and inability to change things. Deluded if he thinks this was down to the international break. Arsenal’s league of nations seemed to fare alright with two and a half less days rest.

  • Andy4kin

    Sep 18, 2007 at 9:45 AM

    Comment #10

    I’ve got to say -Ameobi did not do his job right on yesterday night, did not provide good ball to Owen with his header as a target man(of course , he was not our ideal target man, but SA should have ask him to play like Heskey in last international week to recreate a small & tall partner.) , he looks too weak to me…and that probably why Owen have not ready get in to the game at all,and he have missed quite a few scoring chances. And our Midfeld was not creative at all… defend have done a good job again. Anyway, Ameobi need to be OUT.

  • Big Sam Fan

    Sep 18, 2007 at 9:50 AM

    Comment #11

    Thank god im at work, i can now sit here all day and finally let out some anger over last night!!! Blaming the players for their international duty is a complete joke, they are professional footballers they shoudl be able to cope!! Not one player last gave it their all and half of them should be dropped untill they prove to BIG SAM that they are capeable of playing in this league. befrore i rant over the team a few things really pissed me off!! to start with SETANTA sports is shit!! the commentaters had no enthusisasm and and they must have repeated that howard was a toon fan about 10 times and that andy griffin was an ex newcastle player constantly!! that really got on my titis!! and to top it all off they missed the goal!! how retarded can u get!! secondly BIG SAM himslef..i like the guy but yesturday his tactical decisions and his starting line up was awefull!! Ameobi and butt should never wear the toon shirt agian, they looked awfull! give the martins owen partnership a chance!! we had no width and and we could never pass the ball infront of the man!!! i had faith though as most toon fans do at half time, i never did with roeder cause i never thought he would have the bulls to shout at the team and motivate them. but with big sam i do and i thought it would be a completly different side second half!! but no! its was still the same old cack!!thirdly i want to complain about their centre back leacock, the guy is rubbish and how he got a way with holding onto rozy ill never know!! And finally, the referee..he was shocking, how did alladyce not complain after the game!! he didnt have a clue wat was going on..he must have been a derby fan!!

    Ok now the the team:

    Harper: although he could have done nothing about the goal, he was slow to release the ball and his kicking was dreadfull!!

    N Zogbia: needs to get new boots, i have never seen someone fall over so much!! he scores one decent goal against middlesborough and the boy thinks he can score from all over the park..he attempted things ronaldinho doesnt and when ever we were in a decent position, there was zogy right on cue to balze it into the upper tier!!

    Rozy – didnt wina single defesive header and missed a sitter that would have changed the game..also after the first penalty decision not given to him you would have thought hed say to the referee watch this guy but no..and what happened…leacock did it again..and again he got away with it!!

    Cacapa – way to slow..ive seen milk turn faster than him!!

    Taylor – not a natural right back granted but he should still be able to control the ball! poor ball skills and how he can demand more money when he missed sitters liek he did last night ill never know!!

    Milner – tireless as ever but last night he couldnt do much right..he didnt manage to take on defenders and none of his crosses reached a newcastle head!!

    Butt – i think was the worst player on the park – very slow, didnt track pack, handballed in the box, gave away sloppy freekicks. he couldnt pass or tackle and in my ind is past it!!

    Geremi – didnt look commanding at all, his passing was dreadfull and his throws were too feet when surely if you are playing a big man upfront you put it on his head for him to flick on to owen.

    Smith – very very quiet in the first half i thought..god only knows how he was made captin!! he showed passion but lacked that pace and power runs in the centre..i dont think i even saw him put in a cross and he was on the wing..the mind boggles!!

    Owen – cant really balme him for anything..only touched the ball 14 times and didnt do anything worng..he had no supply from the midfield.. injured again though!!

    Ameobi – GET THIS LAD INTO THE CHAMPIONSHIP!! there is no point having a pig man upfront if he cant win anything..hes too slow on the ball, he cant jump, he cant hold the ball up, he cant shoot, he cant be honest..he cant do anything!! why play him!!

    Faye – had vision which is nice to see but again way too slow on the ball!! got tackeld too easily and didnt influence the game in anyway!!

    Beye – was on for too shorter time to comment…looked bettter than taylor though at righ back!

    Martins – tireless!! fantastic!! nothing wrong with his performance alst night and should be garenteed a role next week!!

    i know it seems harsh to do this but i couldnt see anything good with last nights performance. it was a reality check for the fans, the team, the manager and any one else interested in the team. for some reason we dont play well against weak oposition and that needs to be sorted!! if w play like that against west ham, arselan, everton, man city and tottenham in the coming weeks, it will bye bye to any european hopes!!

  • jeff

    Sep 18, 2007 at 9:57 AM

    Comment #12

    Newcastle never change do they…You could predict that we would get beat before the game,a team at the bottom without a win hammered in previous game,toon unbeaten..It was written for us to get beat….It was a fluke goal that won it,great for the eye but howay it was totally a fluke,9 times out of 10 it wouldve went in the crowd….Saying that though Derby deserved to win cos they wanted it more.I thought Ameobi was a disgrace,why is it when he gets the chance to stake his claim he always lets everyone down..Going through on goal and not even making the keeper work is a disgrace he should be sold in January,How many more chance does he need?
    Alan Smith,great at sliding in and tackling but what does he actually do?He is wasted playing on the right,sam shouldve took Ameobi off and put smith up with Owen…And speaking of Owen,when will the toon learn to play to players strengths.last season with Oba up front we kept playing high balls upto him…this season with Owen again he is getting wrong service or none at all…Milner on right Nzog on left its not rocket science…..Cacapa & Rozey do look the business at the back…get Enrique & Beye in Barton in when fit at least he likes to run at people and graft……Geremi hasnt really done it yet for me either…

    Maybe just a cold wet monday night game the toon didnt want to play,but bout time they think of the fans who travel and have to take time off work to continue their support of the toon

    Howay the lads We are due a big performance as yet Ive not seem anything to get to excited about.

    Lets hammer the hammers

  • maggpie

    Sep 18, 2007 at 9:59 AM

    Comment #13

    I think we could have written each others piece Big Sam Fan.

  • Big Sam Fan

    Sep 18, 2007 at 10:02 AM

    Comment #14

    what do you mean?

  • Jerry

    Sep 18, 2007 at 10:04 AM

    Comment #15

    Maggpie –

    Rozenhal at least was in the position, inside the penalty box, to miss the sitter!

    Where was our supposedly attacking midfielder Alan Smith and all our other attacking players??

  • Big Sam Fan

    Sep 18, 2007 at 10:05 AM

    Comment #16

    maggpie..i get you..its good to see that someone agrees with me…if only big sam could see this site!!


    Sep 18, 2007 at 10:44 AM

    Comment #17

    Jerry very well spotted. we can blame Rozehnal for that miss but how can CB be the second after Owen on the break after the corner he was involved in our box. where were all the offensive players? in the second half Rozehnal was also pushing forward more then Smith, Butt or Taylor.
    yeah now I know why Shola was so useless. of course because he was tired after the international break… the same with Butt.
    blaming the break and saying that wonder goal beat us is silly. for Sam it is wonder goal for sure. punt from a keeper, missed headers, unmarked forward who had no other option then tho shot and did that extremely well but Harper was in bad position and don’t even try to save it. he is great as a cover but keeping fully fit Given on the bench is a crime just because Harper has made no mistakes yet. Shay is a world class. he is a leader who can shout at the defenders.
    Sam be the man and say the tactics were wrong and you had no idea what to do when it became obvious we are unable to create any chances.
    hope this will be good lesson

  • ChrisL

    Sep 18, 2007 at 11:37 AM

    Comment #18

    @ nufcstats,
    The biggest/only weakness of Shay, is that he fails to shout at / organise the defence.
    Also, are you trying to suggest that with Given in goal last night that we would not have conceded that “wonder goal”?
    No one will ever know, but I can’t see how it could have been stopped by anyone. Having said that, I’m sure it will be the excuse required to slot Given back in. Harper may well play the cup games now.

  • david bulman

    Sep 18, 2007 at 12:25 PM

    Comment #19

    newcastle were bad again last night.ive said from the start we are playing the wrong team and had doubts about allardyce.butt geremi and smith in middle too similar and create nothing,need to get back to 4-4-2.have plenty of players to play 2 central midfielders and 2 wingers.just because it worked other way at bolton doesnt mean it will work here.why werent martins and owen giving a chance last night together especially as we were playing derby,we dont have to always have a big man small man strikeforce.i think the way sam treating martins and given is going to push 2 of our best players out the door.he could have even played smith upfront instead of amoebi,i havent been impressed with smith at all in midfield,he creates nothing and and dives in too much.have watched every newcastle game this season and have found quite boring.hopefully when barton back will give us creativity,could have barton and geremi in centre and nzogbia milner or duff on wings.i think the way playing at moment we are heading for alot of draws this season and might scrape into top eight

  • jason

    Sep 18, 2007 at 1:03 PM

    Comment #20

    Some Excellent postings on here today.
    Looking back we looked decent against Bolton but the rest of the performances have been very flawed and I thought a team like derby would be hammered by us or at least beaten comfortably.
    I think Sam is not playing to are strengths and I think if we continue to play high balls and pass the ball like total retards we will continue to struggle.
    I have no idea why Shola is still here he should be out on loan or sacked and Andy Carrol should have stayed.
    Shola if you are raeding this take the hint and get some practice at somewhere like leeds….BOZO !!

  • Chappa

    Sep 18, 2007 at 1:43 PM

    Comment #21

    ameobi has got 2 be one of the WORST strikers in the premiership!! WTF is he doing at the toon??!! we should of sold that flump 2 boro.a dont no why sam cant just play owen and martins up front! AMEOBI=championship player! absolute shambles

  • hadrian

    Sep 18, 2007 at 4:53 PM

    Comment #22

    im sorry , but im not having that goal shoved in my face as a reason we lost . newcastle were bloody awfull last night , infact when you look at it we’ve been bloody awfull all season , the results have kept us hoping , but in every game its been obvious our midfield was crap .

  • Callum

    Sep 18, 2007 at 5:23 PM

    Comment #23

    Using ’14 of our players were away on international duty’ is an excuse as other teams also have that problem AND they played 2 days earlier, so im not having that, the team played poorly because 1) too many players were playing out of position and 2) we have no creativity in midfield and also WHY IN GODS NAME DIDNT HE START WITH MARTINS, INSTEAD HE CHOOSES AMEOBI?!

  • Sinead

    Sep 18, 2007 at 6:39 PM

    Comment #24

    YA what can you say really like, people are slating Ameobi, I except that, Owen wasn’t too magnificent either though. Loosing to Derby I think should well, ground ye a bit. Cause like, no offense like but ye’ve been kinda dellusional well when I say that I mean like ye’ve had a good start and ye went 5 games unbeaten, something like that anyway, but infairness they weren’t against great teams. Like every year it’s we’ll win something, this is our year..etc.
    Now this year ye’re aiming for Europe and I respect that like but when you look at the way Liverpool destroyed Derby they exposed their weakness and they hung them out to dry and that’s what seperates the teams.

    Now I don’t know I think Newcastle will go through a dry patch now, I honestly thought that it’d happen later on in the season but obviously not, I don’t know I could be wrong like but I don’t see this season being any different to the last except maybe finishing higher, in the top half, the top 7 maybe, like but I wouldn’t expect more untill the team prooves other wise.


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