Next Two Games Will Test Newcastle

We’ve noticed that when Newcastle win a game fans tend to go overboard in their praise for the team.

We’ve also noticed that when we lose, and particularly when we lose and play badly, like last Monday, it’s all gloom and doom.

Even before yesterday’s game Big Sam seemed to have already spotted that with Newcastle fans, as he said it’s been all gloom and doom in Newcastle this week.


Sam Allardyce two tough games coming up for Newcastle

So yesterday’s game against West Ham was exactly what we needed because with the win everything in the garden is rosy again and actually yesterday’s other results went Newcastle’s way so we are an impressive 5th top in the league – above Chelsea would you believe.But the next two games will tell us a lot more about our team and the squad in general, and we cannot get too carried away.

The Carling Cup 3rd round game at Arsenal tomorrow night could be dangerous for us. As we mentioned we watched Arsenal take Derby apart on Saturday and the Gunners looked awesome, as did some of their players including in particular Fabregas and Adebayor. Hopefully Wenger will rest both players tomorrow evening. The game has to be decided on the night so we wouldn’t be surprised if it goes to extra time. Our extra fitness could just tell if the game does go long – we’ll just have to see. Penalties will be required if it’s still level after the extra 30 minutes. The game kicks off at 7:45 pm and is a sellout.

Our next league game is at Manchester City at the City of Manchester Stadium and should be a very interesting game. Manchester City have made a good start under Sven Eriksson but on Saturday their defense looked very porous against Fulham. They came away from Craven Cottage with a 3-3 draw after twice going behind. Manchester also have a home game tomorrow night in the Carling Cup against Norwich City so both teams will have 3 full days rest before Saturday.

If we get all 3 points against Manchester City that will be a very good result for us because they are above us in the league with 13 points from their first 7 games. We have 11 points from 6 games so will go above City with a win. That has to be the goal on Saturday but Manchester City now have some very good players in their squad and our defense will need to be at their best for us to get a result on Saturday. The game kicks off at 12:45 pm.

We have both games featured on our Newcastle United Forum – so let’s know what you think.

Comments always welcome.

34 comments so far

  • Rich

    Sep 24, 2007 at 10:39 AM

    Comment #1

    Looking at the wtwo games id be delighted with a win at arsenal and a point at city! I see them as one of our main contenders this season but i still think we have a better overall team as them, petrov and elano are very dangerous though and it will be a real test for us maybe for the first time this season in the league!

  • Toon Chicken

    Sep 24, 2007 at 10:41 AM

    Comment #2

    My team for Tuesday…

    Smith, Martins

    N’Zogbia, Geremi, Faye, Milner

    Enrique, Rozenhal, Taylor, Beye


    I know Viduka had a brilliant game on Sunday, but he’s no spring chicken so could probably do with the rest. Same goes for Butt in midfield. I think Cacapa is injured so Taylor comes in for him. Expecting Given to play well and claim his starting place back.

  • Ed Harrison

    Sep 24, 2007 at 10:43 AM

    Comment #3

    Toon Chicken – like the team – be good to see how Martins and Smith do together and Milner and Charlie on the wings – looked good yesterday. Your team looks very likely what Sam will go with tomorrow night.

  • Ed Harrison

    Sep 24, 2007 at 10:44 AM

    Comment #4

    Rich – both teams should test us – but we’ll get a chance to see how good we really are – it’s still very early in the season.

  • Toon Chicken

    Sep 24, 2007 at 10:45 AM

    Comment #5

    Ed – I hope so. I’ve got tickets… can’t wait!!

  • Tom from Aus

    Sep 24, 2007 at 11:15 AM

    Comment #6

    toon chicken i think you should put smith into the midfield for faye and viduka up front. It will be good to see given play and if he plays well do you think he will play at city on the weekend? And for the man city game i hope owen will be fit and scoring goals.
    One more thing, on the Offical website it says cacapa is injured, should we be worried about this, will he play tomorrow?

  • Pete

    Sep 24, 2007 at 11:20 AM

    Comment #7

    Don’t think Beye will play so soon after being knackered yesterday

  • Nufc1000

    Sep 24, 2007 at 11:25 AM

    Comment #8

    Does anyone have an idea about what team Arsenal will play? In the past, Wenger has religiously used the League cup as an opportunity to play his youngsters. It would be a bonus for us if he continued that trend (although it will still be very tough whatever Arsenal side we face).

  • Nufc1000

    Sep 24, 2007 at 11:26 AM

    Comment #9

    ……. I appreciate that most of the Arsenal first team are very young this year. By youngsters I mean non-first team players!

  • exi

    Sep 24, 2007 at 11:33 AM

    Comment #10

    While we could get a result at the Emirates (Like probably a draw or a win), Man city this coming weekend worries me.

    Seriously guys, would you want to take more points off the league or get a win in the league cup and lose the next match?

    While all of us want to get our first trophy since bazillion years ago, we could get more (money, fame to attract players) if we get a higher position in the league, which means pushing for a champions league or uefa cup place.

    Sometimes winning a trophy doesn’t really bothers me anymore. Been long anyways.

  • Toon Chicken

    Sep 24, 2007 at 11:34 AM

    Comment #11

    Van Persie was rested against Derby, so there’s a chance he might feature against us.

  • Toon Chicken

    Sep 24, 2007 at 11:39 AM

    Comment #12

    I’d take 8th or 9th over 6th in League if it meant we won the Carling Cup. We’d still qualify for Europe and we’d have a trophy at long last. Us fans deserve something to cheer about, and I can’t see Ashley booking an open-top bus for finishing in the top 6.

  • Rich

    Sep 24, 2007 at 11:40 AM

    Comment #13

    Tom from Aus – Why would you want to put Faye up front? his most attacking position is a defensive midfielder haha

  • Pete

    Sep 24, 2007 at 12:01 PM

    Comment #14


    I kinda agree. It has been so long since we won anything that we are used to it and something as minor as the carling cup is not worth jeperdising our league position too much. I am fully aware that winning the carling cup is the shortest route to Europe but I think a top 6 finish and no carling cup would be better for attracting players than a top 10 finish and the carling cup.

    In my little dream world the first cup that would have won since 1955 would be a major one – not a mickey mouse carling cup.

  • Toon Chicken

    Sep 24, 2007 at 12:19 PM

    Comment #15

    Pete – Jose Mourinho for one didn’t agree with your summation of the Carling Cup. In years gone by the League Cup has been ignored by many of the so-called big teams, but in 4 of the last 5 seasons that particular piece of silverware has been in the trophy rooms of Chelsea, Manchester United and Liverpool – so to suggest that we are above taking the Carling Cup as seriously as possible is somewhat risible.

  • eastendtoon

    Sep 24, 2007 at 12:43 PM

    Comment #16

    ultimately, winger knows we’ll be coming with our guns fully loaded and determined as hell… he will know this, now, all he needs to ask himself is, does he want to win the cup, or is he not fussed… personally, i dont think we’ll see a drastically weakened side, if weakened at all. imagine if you were a gooner and you had us in the third round and your manager put out the reserves, you’d go potty

  • Tom from Aus

    Sep 24, 2007 at 12:48 PM

    Comment #17

    rich i meant have smith in the midfield and faye on the bench.

  • Rich

    Sep 24, 2007 at 1:14 PM

    Comment #18

    Sorry tom my mistake!

  • yemozone

    Sep 24, 2007 at 2:10 PM

    Comment #19

    We hav to be serious with both matches because we cant afford to lose both matches.

  • Hadji

    Sep 24, 2007 at 2:31 PM

    Comment #20

    Last game’s progress in our team was obvious considering that almost half of starting 11 is brand new.It will take at least 2 more months for out team chemistry to work the way we want it to work.
    I really can see us finishing 4th this season with a little bit of luck.To do that we need to beat Everton & Man City at all costs.
    This would be my team for the 4th place

  • Rich

    Sep 24, 2007 at 2:55 PM

    Comment #21

    I have to say Hadji you will probably get some stick for this team but id go for the same line up as this!!I think Duff and Milner would prob get an even amount of games but i still think Duffs overall game is better than Milners!If we can get Emre playing well then id pick him for the midfield also, for tough away games id play Barton and Geremi probably but this looks good!

  • Hadji

    Sep 24, 2007 at 3:19 PM

    Comment #22

    Rich….I agree for the away games,we should have Barton and Geremi.In that case we have less chance of Emre getting injured again and have him 100 fit for our ”Win is a must”games at home.

    Good point

  • Hadji

    Sep 24, 2007 at 3:26 PM

    Comment #23

    Rich…For the away games i’d go for this formation 4-5-1
    – ———————Geremi——————————–
    ——————- —-Martins———————————

  • leo

    Sep 24, 2007 at 4:47 PM

    Comment #24

    totally agree with your away game team hadji

  • PK-Norway

    Sep 25, 2007 at 1:10 AM

    Comment #25

    Nice one Hadji…I agree with u..maybe we need Viduka on away games..he’s a player who can hold on to the ball…But if we are aiming for Counter attack martins will be the best choice…

  • geordie_jordan

    Sep 25, 2007 at 3:34 AM

    Comment #26

    emre has had it at newcastle. so i wouldn’t be including him in any of your teams!

  • azza jones

    Sep 25, 2007 at 5:17 AM

    Comment #27

    Hadji I dont know about duff man he needs to take a long hard look at himself, and he is definately second to n’zogbia……

    I would play the following side against arsenal….

    —————— Given
    Geremi Taylor Rozenthal Enrique
    Milner Butt (Or Faye) Smith N’Zogbia
    Martins Viduka

    Then take off Viduka for Faye or Butt whoever doesnt start when we have a lead………

    I would rest Beye as he looked pretty knackered he needs more fitness which is surprising considering he started the French season a month before england season started…..

    I think we need the players to be able to change roles, when barton is back geremi might have to play right back a little more often….Butt is doing well, but I suppose its good to have the depth…..

  • Hadji

    Sep 25, 2007 at 9:12 AM

    Comment #28

    Azza Jones….I completely agree about the formation against Arsenal today,but my formation wasn’t for Arsenal.
    Its a formation which i think its most suitable for all of our away games.
    PK Norway….You got it mate,counter attack is what i’m talking about.

  • Rich

    Sep 25, 2007 at 9:13 AM

    Comment #29

    I like that way team as well Hadji, would have went for Martins as a lone striker as well because of his pace could catch the top teams on the break! We just need to get Duff and Emre fit again then for these teams to take shape!

  • Hadji

    Sep 25, 2007 at 9:44 AM

    Comment #30

    Come on Geordie Jordan don’t be like that,I mean,we gave everyone chance why not to Emre.What is Emre for you,a black sheep in the family or what.
    Ok,Emre and Duff came to Newcastle almost at the same time.The question is?Considering the fact that Duff’s been a little bit more injured than Emre.
    Who has been a better player so far,who scored couple of match winners for us including my favourite against the Mackems.The answer is Emre my dear friend.So now i’m asking you Jordan.
    Why nobody’s critisizing Duff,why Emre is always the bad guy for some of you?
    Personaly,i feel like we never had Duff in our team.

    P.S.But i would never want him to leave either.

  • Rich

    Sep 25, 2007 at 9:49 AM

    Comment #31

    Im with that as well, Emre hasnt been great since he came but under Big Sam stated the slate was wiped clean and everyone started afresh, Emre hasnt been given his chance yet so noone should judge him until he has, the guy is majorly talented and he has shown glimpses of what he can do, personally i think he has a lot to offer the team and i hope he proves a lot of people wrong!!

  • PK-Norway

    Sep 25, 2007 at 9:55 AM

    Comment #32

    Emre is talented..and i personally think he,Zogbia and Duff,Milner alongside Barton is our creative players..And as i said in another post here..Duff has been injured..but if he is fit..he is one of the Best Winger in the League..Big Sam gave Martins and Zogbia a chance ,think we should give Emre and Duff a chance too..remember the reading match Emre’s run? or the match against Sunderland home..freekick from emre`? He can finish a match either with a brilliant pass or a brilliant goal…give him a chance..if Sam sells him i really expect Sam to bring in one or two creative central midfielders ,one young (moutinho?) and one with experience…

  • Rich

    Sep 25, 2007 at 10:10 AM

    Comment #33

    PK-Norway, glad you share my views on Emre, i think if we do sell him in January but i hope we dont then we would need exactly as you say two players for that position. An older role model such as Deco who come straight in and someone young with great potential who could learn from him. Duff is one of the best wingers in the league when on form and i think hel be really motivated this season and will want to get back to his best, just hoping hes not lost any of his pace.

  • PK-Norway

    Sep 25, 2007 at 11:04 AM

    Comment #34

    i hope Big Sam share our views Rich 😛


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