Newcastle Start No Better Than Last Two Seasons

Big Sam keeps saying that we are 9 points better off than at the same time last season, but as you’ll see – this is hardly an apples to apples comparison Sam is making.

While it’s true that we did have only 9 points from our first 12 league games, they were hardly against the same sides, and to have a true comparison that’s what needs to be done.


Sam Allardyce – keeps saying we are 9 points better off than last season – not really

After 12 games last year we only had 9 points, and were 3rd bottom of the league. The other 3 teams in the bottom 4 at that time were Watford, Charlton and Sheffield United, who all ended up getting relegated. Our first 12 games were not against the same teams as this season. In the first 12 games last year, as an example, we had played both Manchester United and Liverpool away, and lost both of those games. If you look at the last 2 seasons and measure the same games we have played (replacing relegated sides with promoted ones), then you find that last season we had 18 points from the same games, and the season before we had 23 points from those same games, when Graeme Souness was still manager. Take a look at it in the STATS – Results Compared to Last Two Seasons

So the bottom line is we are doing no better than we did last season, and worse then we did two seasons ago. We are not particularly happy about that, but we don’t think comparing our start with last season is a fair comparison.

What do you think?

Comments welcome.

39 comments so far

  • Lynda

    Nov 13, 2007 at 3:12 AM

    Comment #1

    I am going to have to admit that I am starting to get annoyed at some of the negativity surrounding the team at the moment. I accept that we have had a run of disappointing performances but I think people are overlooking the magnitude of the job Allardyce inherited. The fact is, six months ago, we were facing bankruptcy. The club was mired in all sorts of transfer scandals and we had a pitifully thin squad. Turning this around was never going to be an easy job. Things are made tougher by the fact that most clubs have money at the moment and we can’t just throw money at problems and hope they’ll disappear. This never worked for us anyway, but now we are just one of a number of well-off clubs and we are going to have to go for a different stratgey. This may require a bit of patience.

  • paul

    Nov 13, 2007 at 3:41 AM

    Comment #2

    Absolutley agree with the above comment. Why the hell are fans and fanzines so desperate to knock things down and desperate to find the negative side of things. FACT to FACT, after weve played the same amount of games, were better off than last year, end of chat. Stats can be twisted to suit any argument. Who gives a toss who weve played.

    The job on Sams hands is huge and is made no easier by the media and fanzine articles like the one above. Lets get behind the team ffs.

  • Brisbane Mag

    Nov 13, 2007 at 4:11 AM

    Comment #3

    Spot on Lynda, why are we so negative towards BSA?

    BSA has completely rebuilt the squad; i.e. 11 players out and 9 players spending a meazly £10M last summer. This coming January several more need to be offloaded and PL standard players purchased…..

    There are no easy games in the PL, so let’s take the points on offer and look forward to playing the likes of Arsenal, Man Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea, etc. Last season we were fortunate not to be relegated. That is how bad we were and BSA has done a tremendous job getting rid of the majority of that team, bringing in some very classy replacements!

    We still need to buy better players and establish a settled team, but there’s a decent squad at Newcastle these days and things improving.

  • Tripp

    Nov 13, 2007 at 4:46 AM

    Comment #4

    Considering the league “inflation” it only really matters where we are now. You can’t really compare seasons past. The league is constantly getting better as a whole (except Derby County, perhaps). City (who finished just below us as I recall) spent something like £35M over the summer. Hammers spent £45M. It’s an insane amount of money. There are really two ways to do this. The Chelski way or the Wenger way. Arsenal is the most financially sound side in the Prem. NUFC needs to follow that model if we’re going to be successful over the long run (and solvent to boot). Top half of the table finish will be good. Top 8 excellent. Anything better than that is just gravy (a very rich, sweet gravy indeed). To quote Mr. Burns… “Patience, Monty. Climb the ladder…”

  • malaysian youngster

    Nov 13, 2007 at 6:10 AM

    Comment #5

    we got bunch of good player just need correct tactic. let big sam figure it out. he needs time.maybe after the rebuilding period we can get 3 points from all the top 4.

  • wsq

    Nov 13, 2007 at 6:21 AM

    Comment #6

    good job on the stats. im appalled at what big sam is trying to do, ppl are not oafs, he’s speaking out like a tabloid headline, taking things out of context to suit his agenda or whatsoever. tsk tsk. 3 points from the top4 haha no way. we will be consistent with our negative tactics i can assure you that. it will take a disaster worse than pompy game to let the penny drop on him- a 5-0 drubbing by all the top4 teams hooray. Reading got beat 3-1, obviously reading better than us. Man City got beat 6-0, obviously city better than us, it doesn’t bode well for us. But i like it, i’m sure of the outcome and my expectations are managed. haha isn’t that what big sam wants. managed expectations of the newcastle fans and consistency on the playing field-crap football.

  • Chris

    Nov 13, 2007 at 7:10 AM

    Comment #7

    I think sometimes this website hypes up our chances, we’ve been crap since Bobby Robson got sacked and we handed all of our money to a manager who sold our effective players and bought the worst overpriced players ever (I know Bobby bought Bramble too).
    however we now have a chairman that seems to enjoy the football club without making ludicrous claims to the papers every week and some players which are a definate improvement to last season. If we had the injuries we have now last season we would be bottom, that’s how thin our team was. Now we even have replacements for our defenders if they get injured, plus other players that can come in if asked.
    We are no longer the team of the early 90s where we had the spending power very few could match, however with a new stability we can build from there.


    Nov 13, 2007 at 7:32 AM

    Comment #8

    i live in india with not many toon fans around me and i am a daily visitor to this site ,but except for a few everyone is so negative its sick. people claim that we should beat portsmouth and compare us with blacburn everton and aston villa, how can we the fact is that these clubs have good chairmans who have been patient and given their managers minimum 2 seasons to implement their philosophy and build their squads not only the first 11. we havent reached that level yet and its not going to happen overnight. most of our fans live in an utopian world ,this season has shown the real magnitude of work that BSA has to perform the results .that the above mentioned teams have got in 2 seasons we expect the same in 12 games how unfair is that its ridiculous . let me be honest BSA wasnt my first choice i would have gone for martin o neil instead of roeder cheer up for the first time sice sir john hall we have got a great owner and chairman ,its no longer an soap opera ,support him he needs it and confirm that we are the best fans in the world he has to be given a chance.

  • Espen

    Nov 13, 2007 at 7:52 AM

    Comment #9

    Start fielding the best player in the squad, Martins, and we’ll see more points coming. Playing Owen is nonsense, he is not contributing at all.

    Big Sam made a good start, but since the 3-4 first matches Newcastle have been crap!

  • yemozone

    Nov 13, 2007 at 8:26 AM

    Comment #10

    Why we where unbeaten at the beginning of the season is b’cos players like owen were injured which gave chances to other players.

  • joshi

    Nov 13, 2007 at 8:34 AM

    Comment #11

    As long as we don’t get relegated this season im ok. Then next season we can really get to work with finishing in the top 6. We may have to do some thinking during the summer but by then we should be a much more settled team and ready to play well the following season. If we don’t qualify for europe next season then i will be dissapointed, and then Sam can go out the door. I think 2 years is the perfect amount of time to see whether a manager/team is up to scratch.

  • Hammy

    Nov 13, 2007 at 8:47 AM

    Comment #12

    Some good balanced comments…..time is a great healer.
    Sam is fortunate to have Mort and Ashley behind him as these guys are obviously great businessmen and are probably looking to improve things slowly and steadily…….I was going to liken the toon to England, everybody expects them to turn over San Marino, Russia and the likes but they don’t……you still have to go out and earn the points, sometimes it’s not tactics that win games it’s who wants to win the most.
    I’m looking forward to the games coming up..I don’t think we’ll be getting the hidings that many are predicting.

  • AltaBatalJoneN

    Nov 13, 2007 at 8:53 AM

    Comment #13

    yeah right.. and if we could play 38 games against West Ham at home, then we would probably finnish in the top 6..
    Don’t take it personally, but this was a riddiculous article..


  • roscoe

    Nov 13, 2007 at 8:58 AM

    Comment #14

    wsq – please get off this blog and never come back beacause your negativity is just downright annoying to everyone on this site! You never have anything good to say about NUFC and I’m starting to wonder how much of a supporter you really are?

    Go support the Mackems rather! We dont need people like you at NUFC!

  • Keep Oba

    Nov 13, 2007 at 9:13 AM

    Comment #15

    TIME….give it some

  • Aussie Geordie

    Nov 13, 2007 at 8:17 AM

    Comment #16

    He did make a good start as teams with new managers tend to do but it has fallen away recently. I wish Martins could get a few more games starting and Smith would f*&*k off.

  • Domininufc

    Nov 13, 2007 at 9:26 AM

    Comment #17

    Why can’t we be negative? BSA gave us hope and spent money! Why is it that managers like Redknapp and Ericsson can deliver instant results and a Newcastle manager can’t and we should be happy with that?

    Look and the games coming up how many points will we pick up if we defend like we did in the last few games and how many goals will we score with our current lack of creativity?

    Teams like Derby, Sunderland etc we should be beating home and away if we are hoping for a top 7 finish.

    Another season same old Newcastle I bet we finish 10th or 11th and start again with a new manager next season (not that I am in favour of changing managers)

  • Sandy McNair

    Nov 13, 2007 at 9:37 AM

    Comment #18

    I am sure that we are all sorry about the negativity that is surrounding this forum, but it is here because the team is playing crap. Even when they have been wining still crap. I dont think you could piece together 90 min of good newcastle play this season if you tried. 1 min here, 2 min there (should be able to do it at the end of season).

    BSA is doing nothing for me, not even a shimmer of light do I see. He may as well play 5-5-0 formation as he cant get the ball to the forwards. we have scored too many goals this season not with good play but with a thump from the back and a reliance on defensive mistakes and expeptional control from MO or OM. Team Play – Its a joke.

    BSA does need commitment from the team and work rate does neet to improve, but playing idiots like smith I just dont get it.

  • bowsie

    Nov 13, 2007 at 9:40 AM

    Comment #19

    Clubs from two seasons ago may have a totally different side from this season, so like-for-like comparisons like that can be misleading.

    This hasn’t been the best season of all time and there is some pressure on BSA, but I think we all knew before the season started how difficult this was going to be, and we shouldn’t lose sight of that now that we’re in “the midst of battle”. We were never going to finish in the top six, that was never going to happen. So some unrealistic expectations are not being realised.

    Sam should make progress this season for sure, but that’s it. If he finishes top ten then we should be happy.

  • Sandy McNair

    Nov 13, 2007 at 9:47 AM

    Comment #20

    @Chris – Bobby done fantasic job as a manager, but the team was going down from within during his last year. Whilst GS and GR did not do good jobs the blame can not be shoved there. That team was finished.

    Unfortunately we are still buying idiots like Alan Smith and Joey Barton. Smith has nothing me, Barton has talent, but is the baggage worth it?

  • Sandy McNair

    Nov 13, 2007 at 9:58 AM

    Comment #21

    Two years ago we did not have Owen, Martins and Viduka

    We had Amiobi, a semi retired Shearer and Fat Kluivert

    We should be doing better —- Muuuch bettter!

  • Zero

    Nov 13, 2007 at 9:58 AM

    Comment #22

    I think BSA has lost the plot, he plays our players out of position, the team has no balance, and for all the firepower we have up front, we hardly ever attack, its almost as through the plkayers are restricted in his style of play. Owen is wasted, he hardly touches the ball, martins is on the bench, vid is always injured, ameobi, we definately should sell, butt must go on pension and smith is not a midfielder

  • Rob kirton

    Nov 13, 2007 at 10:13 AM

    Comment #23

    Sandy: I am glad somebody else has seen the same team play as me. I couldn’t agree more wityh your comments. The two posts you have made are spot on. I’ve supported the Toon for 35 years or so and am not one of the Boo Boys and Whingers. Whenever I’m at the game, I give it everything I’ve got to support the team and have never joined the baying mobs shouting for a managers head. Howver the facts about our teams play this season are inescapable.

    Any new manager brought in to do a job must be able to make some impact immediately. It is the case in every walk of life. It doesn’t mean they turn out world beating performance from day one. It does mean they make a significant difference. Football like many other walks of life is a results business. I wonder how long a manager of a failing Sports Direct store gets to turn things around?

    All Sam has to do with the club is show progress. If at the end of a year we have shown none, questions need to be asked.

    You’re right about Bobby. People forget about the terrible run in to his last full season scraping a draw in the last game to just get into Europe where as with an achievable set of results coud have finished clear 2nd. He had lost the ability to control the one or two more wayward members of the squad. The start of the next season proved he had not managed to stop the rot. It was a very sad end to his time here.

    I had doubts over Barton RE: his temperament, however had faith in the fact that Sam must know what he was buying into. I still believe that. Again time will be the judge on the that one.

  • Kein

    Nov 13, 2007 at 10:33 AM

    Comment #24

    Let’s try to be positive and hope that things get better..we have an owner with money and heart, a good chairman and a good(?) manager..Our aims to top 6 or whatever should be in next season..this season is practising.

    But it is true that we haven’t played good football in any of our matches..maybe against tottenham, but that’s because tottenham was totally shite! We can’t pass the ball and control the game..and apparently not defend..It would be nice to see some development even if we don’t win matches..Otherwise it’s gonna be an embarrasment to play against manu, chelsea and arsenal..!


    Nov 13, 2007 at 10:33 AM

    Comment #25

    anybody from india if yes which place?

  • Bill F

    Nov 13, 2007 at 11:13 AM

    Comment #26

    I’m really pleased that so many have taken on board my previous comments on reverse Karma and negativity. There was a plethora of it before the Sunderland game and we were blessed with a lucky draw. All of the current negativity is building up a massive positive reaction that will come out in the next game. I really pity Liverpool.

    PS I have 2 very good Indian restaraunts at the top of my road if that helps.

  • Jerry

    Nov 13, 2007 at 11:27 AM

    Comment #27


    it is people like you we dont need at NUFC!!! Why is there so much low self esteem among NUFC fans? Why, dont you want the best for your club? Dont you want to progress? If you do you need a top class manager! and SAM ALLARDYCE CERTAINLY IS NOT! FULL STOP!

    Some people on here talk nonsense like give him time blah blah blah – how much time has Erikkson had at City? and he took the job LATER than SAM took the Newcastle job!

    You really think Ramos, who hasnt even had a transfer window to bring in his own players is going to whinge and make excuses? No he wouldnt, because he is already up and running and will very soon go past Big Sam in the league table!! I could give numerous other examples.


  • nightfall

    Nov 13, 2007 at 11:33 AM

    Comment #28

    sam has done nothing for me…except for SOME good transfers (enrique, rozehnal, faye….and that’s it). you don’t have to be a rocket scientists to play players who are in-form and at their natural positions…

  • bailey

    Nov 13, 2007 at 11:43 AM

    Comment #29

    I always thought football was supposed to be a simple game. Pass and move. Players in their rightful positions. Allerdyce pays £6M for a left back and then plays a left winger there instead. Pays good money for a right back then plays a centre half there instead. Has a player in Martins who can produce something out of nothing and keeps him on the bench until match nearly over. I think Allerdyce will choke on his “tactics”.

  • Leo

    Nov 13, 2007 at 11:56 AM

    Comment #30

    like lynda i am also getting a bit annoyed about the negativity surrounding our club, we need optimism, in january we will bring in some top players and they will lift the team, i predict by then our team will have gelled and that the club will be ready for a push for the top half of the table!

  • evildick

    Nov 13, 2007 at 12:21 PM

    Comment #31

    Well it’s nice to see one or two positive/realistic comments for a change.

  • Hadrian

    Nov 13, 2007 at 12:28 PM

    Comment #32

    been saying this for weeks .
    im to scared to open my mouth these days , we seem tobe suffering the wrath of the southern media , were ungratefull and impatient … apparently .

  • nightfall

    Nov 13, 2007 at 1:53 PM

    Comment #33

    “In january will get some top players.” Even if we get ronaldinho…Sam would probably play him as GK!

  • Bill F

    Nov 13, 2007 at 2:56 PM

    Comment #34

    LOL Nightfall, many a true word said in jest. Probably be better than current ones.

  • steve

    Nov 13, 2007 at 3:36 PM

    Comment #35

    stop whinging about negativity – big Sam is forever shouting out headlines and he’s the one saying we’re having the best start for years – he spent a ton of money on average players, and took in some more average players for nowt – now that Ashley seems more agreeable to opening his wallet we should be able to get some class in although we could well be in a relegation battle by then.
    Reckon we can beat Liverpool although unlikely to get owt from Blackburn and Arsenal – probably a pasting from arsenal 🙁

    come on the toon

  • Hadji

    Nov 13, 2007 at 6:34 PM

    Comment #36

    Lets see how Sam will handle the big games against Liverpool,Chelsea, Man Utd cause he already lost one from Arsenal.We have to finish at least 7th at the end of the season with the players we have in our squad.ANything lower than that it would be a disaster.
    Guus Hiddink,Van Gaal,Frank Rijkaard,Del Bosque,Qique Sanchez Flores should all be available in the Summer or maybe in January,who knows.We need a winner and Sam is definetly not the one for us.Lets see,time will tell.

  • nasko skoplje

    Nov 14, 2007 at 5:35 AM

    Comment #37

    The best coash for New Castle is Gjoko Hadjievski….ahhahahaaaaaaaah

  • nasko skoplje

    Nov 14, 2007 at 5:37 AM

    Comment #38

    Coach******** i apologise:)

  • Toon Sammy

    Nov 14, 2007 at 10:42 PM

    Comment #39

    The football we are playing is totally shit.I live in college res full of man u and arsenal supporters, there are only 2 newcastle supporters. Our games get less priority because we play ping pong football. Nobody wants to watch that crap. BSA’s luck was gona run out soon with his type of style. Pity its gona happen while his at newcastle. Jurgen Klinsman would have been a good investment.


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