Allardyce – We Got Second or Third Choice Players

Sam Allardyce has made what to us looks like a rather dangerous move in saying the players he brought in during the summer were second or third choices, That’s because the premiership players he really wanted had already been taken.

We know Big Sam really wanted Sylvain Distin and Tal Ben Haim, and maybe a few more, but it seems a bit dangerous at this stage to label his charges only second or third choices.


Sam Allardyce – I brought in second or third choice players

We think it will depend on how Newcastle do in their games through the end of the year as to just how much transfer funds Newcastle owner Mike Ashley will budget for Allardyce. But Sam also says he is still discovering some of the weaknesses of his summer signings. That just cannot be sweet music to Ashley.

Let’s take a look at exactly what Big Sam told the Sunday Sun yesterday:

“No disrespect to the players we brought in, but we couldn’t really get what we wanted on the first round in the summer transfer window. We ended in the second or third area.”

“I was looking for more Premiership experience. When I lost the opportunity to get those players, it then became hugely difficult.”

“I saw that for the first time against Liverpool last week. I said to myself: ‘We are short defensively.’ Too many of our players at the moment are performing inconsistently.”

Maybe Sam is trying to get the best out of the players he already has. But there’s no doubt about it, the players at the club right now will make or break Sam’s management career at Newcastle United. We still have 7 games to go before January 3rd and the results of those games have to determine Big Sam’s future at the club. We don’t think he’s out of the woods yet, although we do hope he can turn the team around soon.

What do you think? Let us know.

Comments very welcome.

36 comments so far

  • adam

    Dec 3, 2007 at 9:57 AM

    Comment #1

    muppet. sagna for arsenal is a great player, and he had no prem experience at all. santa cruz for blackburn. average players need time to adjust in the premiership. class players dont.

    sam wont last anyway

  • Bill F

    Dec 3, 2007 at 10:03 AM

    Comment #2

    Comments like that should really boost the confidence of the players we have, nice on Sam.

  • Kash

    Dec 3, 2007 at 10:05 AM

    Comment #3

    Sagna is not that good. Santa Cruz wasn’t even on our radar. Good players don’t become bad players overnight. Cacapa was Lyon captain, CL semi’s 2 seasons running. Rozey, PSG and Czech number 1 CB. Faye was a rock last season. Taylor was the new John Terry pre season! Habib Beye was Marseille Captain. How many nationalities do we have? How many languages? How long have they had together? It’s not like they’re attacking players, and you tell the interpreter to tell the player to go out and play your normal game.

  • Magpie Neil

    Dec 3, 2007 at 10:09 AM

    Comment #4

    Time to bring in a manager with some tactical class. CAPELLO!!!

  • Kash

    Dec 3, 2007 at 10:12 AM

    Comment #5

    Are you people for real???? New manager??? Impatient idiots! The reason we’re in this mess is because of instability, oh, so here’s a good idea, lets fix it by sacking the NEW manager and bringing in another one (probably foreign) who’ll totally destabilise the club again and then leave after a year!

    Good thing you idiots aren’t on the board. I really hope non of you have any businesses, if you do, making decisions like that will bankrupt you! IDIOTS

  • nightfall

    Dec 3, 2007 at 10:18 AM

    Comment #6

    this guy’s an idiot…you can’t say this to your players…like you don’t thrust’em… too dangerous in such difficult times…

  • Jesper

    Dec 3, 2007 at 10:18 AM

    Comment #7

    It is NOT time to bring on a new manager, thank you very much. We have gone down that route before. Given the man some time for crying out loud. He has been here for 4 months. Judge his results next season, and if they are not good, then we can consider his position. Support the team and don’t be so fickle.

  • gboy

    Dec 3, 2007 at 10:19 AM

    Comment #8

    i think if we change our manager again it will make it even harder to attract another because we are not giving anyone a chance to get it right.

  • steve

    Dec 3, 2007 at 10:20 AM

    Comment #9

    Oh dear – thats a sure fire way to lose the dressing room. we already had 3rd choice defenders so why bother buying more rubbish if he didnt have any faith in them and now we’re stuck with them until contracts run out

  • Andy

    Dec 3, 2007 at 10:20 AM

    Comment #10

    Sam is covering his rather substantially large bum for when the inevitable sacking comes, whether it be against Arsenal or not.

    This only adds fuel to the flames of fury; fans being told they shouldn’t criticise players playing at 60% against Sunderland, Portsmouth, et al presumably on the assumption that they reckon they shouldn’t have to try hard as they are ‘better’ and needn’t bother too hard; Barton (it’ll all end in tears or violence) and a distinct lack of the promised lawsuit against the BBC vis a vis the Panorama investigation.

    Wake up, we’re going down with the Spurs if we don’t.

  • Callum

    Dec 3, 2007 at 10:21 AM

    Comment #11

    The reason the likes of santa cruz and sagna have performed well is because they played in almost every games, the new newcastle players play a few games and then get dropped or injured, you have to remember we have a complete new team gelling together, it’ll take between 6months and a year for them to gel properly 🙂

  • nightfall

    Dec 3, 2007 at 10:23 AM

    Comment #12

    bring on shearer… he played for england, years and years in EPL as a captain, had so many different managers…i think he knows more about managing football club then we think… he’s got charisma, players all respect him, he knows how to motivate…he was a motor for NUFC so many years…he thinks logically (unlike sam with tactics and comments)…and he can convince better players to join us…

  • Rob Kirton

    Dec 3, 2007 at 10:23 AM

    Comment #13

    Never mind 2nd or 3rd choice players, with comments like that, I am increasingly of the opinion we brought in a second or third rate manager.

    RE the defensive qualities of our players. I seem to recall the previous encumbent having to get the most out of Ramage / Edgar / Huntington

    Many more remarks like this and suspect he’s looking for a cheque to walk.

  • craig chisholm

    Dec 3, 2007 at 10:25 AM

    Comment #14

    sam will turn it around, Kash is right. it would have been amazing if he had done much in this season anyway. it takes alot longer than he has had so far thats for sure. it will be alright i am sure. i think that we should off-load viduka and owen in january though along with emre. we just dont need them at all. i would like to see all the money thats generated from them going on a top draw player. look what torres has done for liverpool this season. grit and and determination will only get a player so far – there can be no substitute for top quality.
    as for what sam has said, i think he is right, the defence is still a joke, however, he bought the wankers didnt he!

  • Steely

    Dec 3, 2007 at 10:32 AM

    Comment #15

    Andy, you’re right mate! The fans get slammed by Sam for booing the players and questioning his capabilities and then he comes out and says this…pure hypocracy!

    At the end of the day, most of the players he bought in were world class (they are internationals!) – if they dont play well at Newcastle when they plated really well for their previous clibs then what does that say about Sam’s managerial skills!?

    I think the players we have are a great bunch (well, most of them anyway!) – they just need a run in the squad and not be chopped and changed around every game!!! And this is the same for all areas of the field and not just the defence!!

    At least we seen Smith playing a position he’s good at on Saturday! I pray to god that he doesnt appear on the wing (or even in midfield!) again any time soon!

  • paul p

    Dec 3, 2007 at 10:34 AM

    Comment #16

    the writing is on the wall now for allardyce. to say comments about players that HE signed, then you no that he knows himself he is on his way. Kash I agree with you to a point. yes you have to give the manager time, look at keegan, robson, they got their chance. i still think had keegan not resigned, he would still be manager now. but you have to play players in the right postions, and lets face it, martins right wing, milner left wing, nzogbia left back. smith in the midfield for some parts this season. if you keep swapping and changing the team about when its not neccessary then you are always going to have this problem, caus the players dont no what they are doing. we have all said what our best formation/postions are for players, lets play them in the correct postions.

  • Hadrian

    Dec 3, 2007 at 10:44 AM

    Comment #17

    nice moral boosting words there for our signings , dont ya think .

  • cybar

    Dec 3, 2007 at 10:48 AM

    Comment #18

    Was big sam blind when he was buying the players least he was given money and he want for players of his choice,i don’t think the problem is the players but the coach he is all brawl and no brain what did he achieve for bolton,while took them to europe which is a big achievement for bolton,but consider the fact that bolton and n’castle are not on the same perimeters,n’castle has come a long way compare to bolton i think the best thing the club will do is to PAY HIM OFF.he is of no use to the club.Big SAM want to turn n’castle to around sop that we will be called BORING BORING BORING BORING TOONS

  • Rich

    Dec 3, 2007 at 11:09 AM

    Comment #19

    FSA saying the players HE bought are 2nd or 3rd choice, the idiot Barton slagging the fans…. just another day at the disfunctional Toon !!!

  • ToonKing

    Dec 3, 2007 at 11:09 AM

    Comment #20

    Well in this case i’m glad that we only got the second, third choices as i rate Cacapa, Rozy and Faye much higher then Distin and Ben Haim.

  • Marguerite

    Dec 3, 2007 at 11:15 AM

    Comment #21

    Whilst I accept what Sam has said is true re 2nd / 3rd choice players, bearing in mind the players he was allowed to purchase initially very quickly whilst Fred was still chairman and then the long lapse before our final signings (as I am convinced Ashley was very reluctant to give him any money), nevertheless in my opinion if he had one iota of intelligence those thoughts should never have been voiced.

    Whatever the reasons / circumstances accept that you DID buy those players, so what is the point of this latest statement? Looking for someone else to blame again and absolve yourself?

    This is guaranteed to shatter morale in the squad which is extremely low to start with. God man you are supposed to inspire them not kick them when they are down, to save your own neck. Just look at the change in Rozenhal for one, his confidence is shot to pieces and I suppose it is us the fans who are to blame?

    I despair. Deep sigh.

  • Nobby's dad

    Dec 3, 2007 at 11:40 AM

    Comment #22

    What is so wrong with what the guy is saying? Nowhere does he say they are 2nd rate players – he’s simply saying his preference was to sign players with premiership experience – common sense if you as me.

    Buying players WITHOUT this experience means they take time to settle (although people will now rattle off the exceptions) it is noticable that foreign players usually take time to settle as our league is faster etc.

    Much of the pre-season talk from BSA was about him missing out on players as Ashley was not coming up with the funds. I don’t see any great criticism of him, yet we undoubtedly missed out on players due to his stance.

  • Tom_Toon

    Dec 3, 2007 at 11:45 AM

    Comment #23

    @ToonKing – Exactly

    They are much better than Ben-Haim and Silvestre but Distin would have been a good signing.

  • stjames

    Dec 3, 2007 at 11:53 AM

    Comment #24

    @RICH: FSA saying the players HE bought are 2nd or 3rd choice, the idiot Barton slagging the fans…. just another day at the disfunctional Toon !!!

    You are dead right. this is dysfunctional and unbeliveable and idiotic and selfdestructing.

    :'( :'(

  • paul p

    Dec 3, 2007 at 11:54 AM

    Comment #25

    so why was the money not released then?? is it because ashley does not want sam as the manager or rate him. who really is ashleys choice to be manager in the long run. lets face it you would expect a manager to be backed, lets be truthful here, if mike ashley wanted sam, with all that money he has got, he would have released big money and we would have got better quality players in no doubt about it and i dont think we would be in the mess that we are in. look at roman abramavich at chelsea for instance, the funds have been released there and they have won the premiership tittle back to back and won the carling cup and fa cup. something does not add up at our club. why is sam not been backed for is what i want to know. what are ashleys long term ambitions for newcastle.

  • Hadrian

    Dec 3, 2007 at 12:10 PM

    Comment #26

    “Well in this case i’m glad that we only got the second, third choices as i rate Cacapa, Rozy and Faye much higher then Distin and Ben Haim.”

    on what basis ? faye is the only one who’s looked good enough , rozy had made far to many mistakes , lets not talk about cacapa at the pompy match .
    im calling bollocks on that steatement toonking , infact your blind faith as of late is generally bollocks .

  • ToonKing

    Dec 3, 2007 at 12:25 PM

    Comment #27

    hadrian i’m calling your post bollox. i said that based in their past performances, not this season.

    I you ever saw them before they came here you wouldn’t question me.

    Rozy was the foundation of the PSG defense and the number 1 CB of the Czech Republic and Cacapa was Lyons captain for 6 years or so and their most important player along with Juninho. He was a fan favourite and every Lyon fan only talks in superlatives about him.
    look at these, he’s final game :

    As i said before it’s a mystery to me why these previously superb players are not performing well for us. The EPL is a tough place to play i guess.

  • Srky

    Dec 3, 2007 at 12:46 PM

    Comment #28

    Kash // Dec 3, 2007 at 10:12

    Are you people for real???? New manager??? Impatient idiots! The reason we’re in this mess is because of instability, oh, so here’s a good idea, lets fix it by sacking the NEW manager and bringing in another one (probably foreign) who’ll totally destabilise the club again and then leave after a year!

    Good thing you idiots aren’t on the board. I really hope non of you have any businesses, if you do, making decisions like that will bankrupt you! IDIOTS
    Rightli good said my mate! You got the point. That;s what i;m sying for all the time – enough with the ballshit and let the man do his job.
    Really good thing is that people which discuss here are out of the club board. And i hope taha board don’t thin like they do or we’re in shit!

  • Bosck

    Dec 3, 2007 at 1:23 PM

    Comment #29

    Barton was right, and allardyce is right on this point… simple as!!

    If Barton wasnt right why did the attitude of the fans improve immensely for the game at Blackburn?

    Sam hasnt said anywhere that he doesnt rate the players he signed or that their not good enough. Its simply that he is saying that his 1st choice would have been to sign premiership experienced players, but he couldnt so his 2nd option was to sign non epl experienced players. nothing wrong with admitting that and the players he signed probably understand that. and then he has said they are not playing consistently. well for what ever reason they are not. nowhere does he say they are not good enough just that they didnt have epl experience and weren’t playing consistently.

    People should stop picking holes and get on with SUPPORTING our team just as Barton said.

  • Toon Goat

    Dec 3, 2007 at 1:57 PM

    Comment #30

    The reason the fans were noisier at Blackburn was because it was an AWAY match and all the singers are concentrated in one place, not spread out as at SJP. The place is like a bloody morgue. Remember the Leazes end before it was all seater? (Yes I’m showing my age). We need a singing section!

  • Bosck

    Dec 3, 2007 at 4:13 PM

    Comment #31

    Toon Goat, i agree with you partly but we dont just need a singing section, we need a singing stadium. We pride ourselves on being the best, most loyal… blah blah blah… fans in the country/world so lets start showing it and get the whole crowd singing not just a great hardcore singing group stuck in one section though i think that would quite possible be a good start and the singing could spread from there.

    Someone should suggest it to Mike Ashley somehow, as he seems so far like someone who would actually try to implement that idea.

  • Leo

    Dec 3, 2007 at 4:55 PM

    Comment #32

    it is an attempt by alardyce to take away aim at him for underproforming. but wrong move because it will undermine the players confidence.

    although he is just saying that he wanted more premiership experience. which is what he missed out on in the good defenders we bought in ala cacapa rozehnal faye beye enrique

  • Leo

    Dec 3, 2007 at 4:55 PM

    Comment #33

    faye is fanstastic though

  • Charliegeordie

    Dec 3, 2007 at 11:56 PM

    Comment #34

    Its a shame that no one attacks free kicks like Alan anymore. He used to hit it so hard and fast if there was a tiny gap it would be in the back of the net. Nowaday we’s float it in the corner, pop it to the back post …..anything it seems but hitting the absolute shite out of the ball and keeping it low and straight. You always knew what Alan was going to do and the beauty was you could not stop it.

  • valle

    Dec 4, 2007 at 10:40 AM

    Comment #35

    Kash… Couldnt agree more, too many whining fools, its a funny how all those muppets talk about Keegan and Bobby as great managers, yet none of em remember how dreadfull both Keegan and Bobby started. Start suppoting Sam, and maby u guys can look back on him like u look back on Keegan and Bobby, cause that quick fix ur looking for aint going to happen!!!

  • Toon Goat

    Dec 4, 2007 at 11:19 AM

    Comment #36

    Valle….. Exactly! Look at some of the players Bobby bought when he first arrived. They were stopgaps who were quickly moved on but served a purpose at the time (Gavillon Acuna etc). Bosck is right. These people who are calling for change – again – are IDIOTS!!!


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