Venables – Barton’s Criticism Had Good Effect on Tyneside

Former England boss Terry Venables has come out and praised Joey Barton for daring to speak out about the Newcastle fans last weekend.

In retrospect it looks like it had a positive effect on the Newcastle fans, who have been magnificent ion their support of the Magpies, in the last two home games, which has garnered them 4 points.


Terry Venables – thinks Barton was right

Venables pointed to the great display against Arsenal which was one of the most spirited performances we’ve seen from a Newcastle side in a long time, and once we get the problems sorted out at the back, has to auger well for the future.

Terry said:

“That was a critical moment. It could have a triggered an avalanche of hatred from the stands. But instead it succeeded in galvanizing the supporters even more,”

“The roar that echoed around St James’ Park reinvigorated the players and drove them to one of their best performances of the season.”

“Believe me, if the fans had got on the players’ backs, Newcastle would not have got back into the game. Some fans do not realize what a massive influence they have in times of difficulty.”

“I defy anybody to perform to their maximum when their own supporters are on their case. Footballers are human beings and they do get affected by it.”

Venables then went on to say that football supporters in general are now desperate for success, and it’s not only at St. James’ Park. But sometimes they don’t realize they may be part of the problem at their clubs. He went on:

“They want everything now and it reaches the point where they lose sight of the fact they are contributing to the malaise.

“There used to be a bit of humor and banter in crowds. In fact, I used to enjoy going to quite a lot of away grounds because the fans could be funny. Newcastle was one of those places. Now there is anger everywhere.”

What do you think? Is Terry Venables right?
Let us know – comments very welcome.

15 comments so far

  • heads23552

    Dec 9, 2007 at 10:25 AM

    Comment #1

    Football is a business like any other, in business you make a 5year plan and aim to hit your targets. It might sound strange but maybe we need to let go of having to win something and just enjoy going to the match. Get back to the community spirit being part of something win or lose. Then perhaps our manager will get time and maybe we will win something, onwards and upwards with a smile.

  • Dragoner

    Dec 9, 2007 at 10:54 AM

    Comment #2

    The press are to blame for Newcastles failure. They heap pressure before a match saying “they are a big club”, “they are a top side” Then after we collapse under the pressure they say “terrible performance”, “sack the manager” etc etc. They simply build us up to bring us down. It is an old media technique not only employed in football, but with celebrities also e.g. michael jackson, britney spears etc.

    They have recently found that simply attacking our manager and team is not enough and that they want to strike at the heart of our team, the fans. and i hate to say it, but their plan has worked. They tell the fans they have the right to boo because of the money we spend buying tickets etc, and then after the fans boo and demoralise the team, the very same press slag the fans off the next day. Belittling our great support because they dont have supporters half as passionate as us with the southern teams do they

  • Sav

    Dec 9, 2007 at 10:57 AM

    Comment #3

    Rubbish. Venables hasn’t a clue what he’s talking about regarding the Toon fans. The players and Barton in particular, owe some decent performances in the shirt they’re honoured to wear. I don’t agree with booing but its quite conceivable that the fans anger had a positive effect.
    Fans impatient? Kiss my ass, Tel. Its lack of effort and endeavour that the fans always will and have every right to object to. Not results.
    Barton talks a good game but paying fans can see if he walks the walk or not. So far, I’ve seen very little.

  • Ed Harrison

    Dec 9, 2007 at 11:00 AM

    Comment #4

    heads 23552 – interesting thought.

  • Dragoner

    Dec 9, 2007 at 11:03 AM

    Comment #5

    We have to stop letting the press manipulate us, and then laugh at the results. We have to stop being ignorant and realise that if the fans are a 12th man when we are fully behind our team, that our team our like 10 men when we excessively boo them. it works both ways.

    When Barton said what he said, a lot of georgie supporters were angry and started to dislike him, but now it becomes more and more evident that what he said was true, fans are beginning to respect what he said and respect him a lot more than the players who simply sat back, afraid to speak out.

    Just look at the results… more importantly the performances since the fans have returned to ur old, faithful ways. We have been good against the likes of Blackburn, Arsenal, and after watching the match against Birmingham i am CERTAIN we were the better team and thoroughly deserved to win

  • Dragoner

    Dec 9, 2007 at 11:04 AM

    Comment #6

    ‘Geordie’ not ‘Georgie’ lol

  • Dragoner

    Dec 9, 2007 at 11:06 AM

    Comment #7

    Lets get behind out team. support Sam and the players. we KNOW it works

  • Nomis_jade

    Dec 9, 2007 at 12:52 PM

    Comment #8

    I dont necessarily think joey was right to speek out but i do like the fact he has the balls to do it. And i do think he raised a really good point. The fans are understandably eager and impatient for good results, but the pressure they put on the team is too much, and makes some players play worse. Looking at Roz, he seemed really good when he first came, and lets face it, he is a regular for the czech national side! and now he seems to making more mistakes. i think this is down to the pressure the fans put on the players.

    heads 23552, i think your comments are spot on.

  • Leo

    Dec 9, 2007 at 5:27 PM

    Comment #9

    i said it when the article came out and i will say it again, it was an extremely well thought out interview and said all the right things to get a positive reaction from the crowd

  • Phil

    Dec 13, 2007 at 12:16 AM

    Comment #10

    Man,I’m sick of people spouting “the impatient fans” bollox.NUFC fans are there all the time,win or lose.We don’t expect instant success and BSA didn’t get the abuse he got because of winning/losing games.He got it because of the ridiculous formations,which were at their worst in the Liverpool game.No balance,no right side.It was blindingly obvious and had been for a while.We were sooo disorganised it was unbelievable.ANY and I mean ANY of the fans that night would have picked a diff formation and the performance would have been better.BSA realised that night that we aren’t daft and we won’t put up with obviously stupid team formations like it.

    Anyone saying that Barton speaking out made the NUFC fans support their team the right way is insulting all of us.We have no problem with support.We don’t need encouragement.We don’t need reminding why we are there.

    Play 100%,do your best and you will get cheered and respected,every time.Win or lose.

    Whens the last time we won anything?If it mattered wether we won or not,then ground would never be full.The shirts would never be sold.The bairns would never have Shearer as middle names.
    The supporters didn’t need a jolt to support,the whole set up needed the jolt to stop rot and get back to basics.
    BSA is still very much on trial,I never dreamt it would be this bad.

  • Paul

    Dec 13, 2007 at 1:39 AM

    Comment #11

    You don’t think that the Mort interview and program notes, as well as the ‘Georgie’ football forums had a little bit more to do with it than ‘Gobshite Barton’???

  • Len

    Dec 13, 2007 at 2:19 AM

    Comment #12

    Seems to me that clearing the air by fans letting the manager & team know that some of their recent efforts are simply unacceptable under any circumstances, manager having a frank exchange of views with the players, and
    Joey reminding fans of their role has all had a very positive outcome. Mort is doing a class job on PR, I suspect including stage managing Joey Barton. Winning something should be a bonus not a burden, so get over it and enjoy the game. And I have no interest in anything Tel has to say on any subject.

  • Chris G

    Dec 13, 2007 at 9:01 AM

    Comment #13

    Being at the Liverpool game was embarrassing on and off the field! We used get behind our teams and the roar around the stadium was immense. I do take into account the improvements to the stadium had a huge effect on the atmosphere, but in reality it hasnt been the same since the keegan era. Prices and expectations have contributed to this but in all people these days (at home games) would much rather critisise or boo than get behind the team. Agreed the effort levels and tactics have been in question of late, and rightly people are discruntled but there is nothing to gain from hounding the players like fans did against liverpool. Joey bartons sentiments were spot on, even if taken out of context, and prehaps said by the wrong player though, considering what we have seen from him so far. The support since has been spot on and its good to see such a positive reaction, cause it could have very easily gone further the other way. Lets hope things can keep going in the right direction and the support levels that are famously associated with the club can be recaptured on a regular basis.

  • Bottlodog

    Dec 13, 2007 at 10:10 AM

    Comment #14

    The Liverpool game was a watershed in the recent history of NUFC. EVERYONE at the club knew we needed a performance – on the pitch and in the stands – and we got it in spadesful.
    You could feel it in the pub before theArsenal game – we KNEW what we had to do – SUPPORT the team – not just turn up to watch – sorry but to those who sit passively through a game – football supporting is a participation sport!!!
    I was almost hankering after the old days – freezing cold, ankle deep in clarts at Burnden Park in January and some drunk p*ssing thru a rolled up newspaper down the back of me leg – at least it gave me a warm feeling! but now, I’m looking forward to going to the match again.
    Good point tho’, Dragoner. After the Brum game McNally in the Sunday Mirror was claiming that a) there were moans and complaints from the crowd when Brum scored and b) the crowd were less paaionate than against Arse
    Well ,a) Not were I was sitting – Me, my mate and many others were up on our feet bellowing encouragement and the ‘daft lads’ in level 7 were in there straight away chanting for the team.
    b) maybe, but only just – and bear in mind it was Brum not Arse, freezing cold and p*ssing down.

    I suggest the club move the press box to the Leazes or the Gallowgate so they can better judge the mood of the crowd and be in ‘slapping’ distance of real supporters
    One word of warning tho’ – there arre still far too many ‘watchers’ who sit passively thru’ games – get off your lazy backsides open your gobs and get behind the lads – you may enjoy it!

  • Whumpie

    Dec 13, 2007 at 2:18 PM

    Comment #15

    I got it wrong, I admit it. I thought I was in a minority thinking Barton was right, and that the majority of Toon had caught this negativity thing. Looking through the comments above shows that there’s still sanity and support out there, and it’s winning the battle of St James.

    We just have to learn to ignore the press a bit (well said, Dragoner) and shout down the ‘Sav’ types who don’t understand that having the right to express an opinion doesn’t mean it’s right to do so.

    Sav and your like: can you not see that your support being conditional upon a good performance HAS to work the other way too?

    You’re happy to gloat at being “12th man” when we win, but you need to either do YOUR job at matches or let someone else have your ticket.

    Well said, El Tel – and ‘Stubbie’ Barton


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