Newcastle Lose To Both Arsenal and Tottenham

In a day we probably will not want to remember yesterday, we lost both the Arsenal game 3-0 and Jonathan Woodgate to Tottenham.


Kevin Keegan – not a good day yesterday

Tottenham Hotspur look to have beaten Newcastle United in the race to sign England and Middlesbrough defender Jonathan Woodgate.

Keegan has admitted he wanted to make Woodgate his first signing at the club, and probably thought he had done that on Friday night when the signals from Woodgate were that he would accept the offer and turn down Spurs.

But during the day yesterday that changed and Keegan got word of what was happening, as Newcastle went down 3-0 to Arsenal in the FA Cup.

After the game yesterday in which Newcastle again capitulated in the second half Keegan, now in his second spell as Newcastle manager, said:

“We were trying to bring Woodgate in but we haven’t been successful from what I am hearing.”“When I came here we didn’t suddenly just become a great footballing team. We had to build it up and I wanted Jonathan to be the first piece of that jigsaw.”

“Last time, my first signing was Brian Kilcline – and he wasn’t an entertaining player – though he’ll probably punch me for saying that!”

“We are not lacking creativity, we are lacking confidence. Jonathan’s going somewhere else, I think to Tottenham, as they were the other club who had a bid accepted. I don’t know why. It’s not an issue over the fee, definitely.”

So Newcastle fans had a double whammy yesterday, in that we are out of the FA Cup, and a very good defender seems to have turned the club down.

Our next game is again at the Emirates on Tuesday evening and we must try to get something out of this game. In our last 5 league games we’ve taken just one point, conceded 12 goals and scored just one goal (against Chelsea).

Our league form has been terrible, and we have to try to stop the rot at the Emirates on Tuesday evening. As we saw yesterday, that will be very difficult.

Comments very welcome.

39 comments so far

  • yongMalaysia

    Jan 27, 2008 at 10:11 AM

    Comment #1

    we hav to build up slowly and giv time to KK, dont too rush to buy some one who are not suitable to our team…

    slow and steady.

  • arsenal malaysia

    Jan 27, 2008 at 10:28 AM

    Comment #2

    arsenal is strongest team to you beat..

  • Leo*

    Jan 27, 2008 at 10:52 AM

    Comment #3

    little pieved that woodgate chose tottenham. but life goes on, spend the money on someone younger and better keegan.

    im sure he will not rest until the window closes or he gets the players in

  • Robert from Serbia

    Jan 27, 2008 at 10:56 AM

    Comment #4

    he will get atleast one player in…..both supporters and KK know that we need despretly new players in the club….we dont need to rush and buy some stupid player…Barnes is a crap player,and we are linked with him….tuesday we will lose again against Arsenal,we all know that,but KK needs support,and we should give him….atleast he deserves that !like we deserve a trophie !srry for my english… :/

  • scotty

    Jan 27, 2008 at 10:59 AM

    Comment #5

    Don’t want to sign any mercenary type players – i see Woody as one of these. This would be a step in the wrong direction imo.

    Lets get safe in the league then start giving the reserves a go – i believe we have some good young talent so why not play them? What have we to lose?

  • Barca

    Jan 27, 2008 at 11:02 AM

    Comment #6

    For that kind of money, no big loss imo.

  • Nonni Smith

    Jan 27, 2008 at 11:04 AM

    Comment #7

    Why in gods name is Butt still in the team, am I the only one, that think this old man should be in the retirement home.
    He scores passes the ball to the opponent and always looses the ball or he shoots long distant shots.
    Pleas KK open your eyes

  • valle

    Jan 27, 2008 at 11:13 AM

    Comment #8

    From a club insider to the papers…

    A Toon insider said: “The players were waiting for Kevin to give his instructions but all he said was: ‘Arsenal are a great passing team. We must make sure we pass the ball better than them.’

    “That was it. There were no specific tactics, no work on set pieces…the players were stunned.”

    I sure as !#¤% hope this is a lie!!!

  • big pea ov the weab

    Jan 27, 2008 at 11:15 AM

    Comment #9

    i dont no why we would ov wanted crocked gate anyway i thought it was a silly purchus he is money well saved

  • Bob

    Jan 27, 2008 at 11:16 AM

    Comment #10

    That’s from the NoTW, I wouldn’t listen.

    They are always very keen to stick the boot in to us.


    Jan 27, 2008 at 11:17 AM

    Comment #11

    and you believe it?? sure…absolutely nonsesen, especially if you look at the first half we played!!! probably one of the best displays in this season!

    well I guess something is not good in half time, becouse we seem to struggle down…but what if we had the lead at half time?? Oh I look forward to have MARTINS back…

    better spend the money into CARRICK who is a true geordie and knows what it means to play for us!!! get these kind of players, who play with heart not for money!

  • big pea ov the weab

    Jan 27, 2008 at 11:27 AM

    Comment #12

    carrick would be good but he wont leave a leauge ,cup and posibly europen winning team will he

  • Warwick Hunt

    Jan 27, 2008 at 11:29 AM

    Comment #13

    There may be some truth in the team talk rumour.
    We all know that Keegan is no great tactician, he never has been. What he is, is brillliant at man managment he gets players to play for him getting an extra 10% out of them. He also knows a good player when he sees one.
    That’s why it is very important for us to have the right man for the number 2 job.

  • JamJamJam

    Jan 27, 2008 at 11:39 AM

    Comment #14

    Its blatantly obvious to anyone watching the game yesterday that we need a decent defensive midfielder far more than we need a central defender … the amount of times arsenal’s midfield ran at our defense without being tracked was ridiculous … even the best defense in the world is going to crack if they’re getting no help from midfield

  • Phani Tikkala

    Jan 27, 2008 at 11:43 AM

    Comment #15

    Can’t remeber which game it was but Taylor and Faye together in CB pairing was solid.
    By all accounts Cacapa was solid yesterday.
    I agree with Jam about Mid helping out with Def duties.

  • Tom_Toon

    Jan 27, 2008 at 11:44 AM

    Comment #16

    ‘We are not lacking creativity’ – Thats worrying!


    Jan 27, 2008 at 12:03 PM

    Comment #17

    would rather take curtis davies or the young centre back nedum onuoha from city

  • Geordie Matriarch

    Jan 27, 2008 at 12:15 PM

    Comment #18

    I think we are being a bit hard on ourselves. I thought we definitely held our own in the first half and played betterfootball than for a long while. I agree they ran all over us in the second half, but time and some committed new blood might make the difference. My son, an Arsenal Supporter, took me to Emirates yesterday and I was dreading being slaughtered, but at half time things were looking quite rosy.

  • Steeley

    Jan 27, 2008 at 12:17 PM

    Comment #19

    I think the worse thing that could have happened this transfer window is Mort/Keegan coming out and saying that we will get in 3 players. Then saying 2 or 3 players. Then 2 players. Then 1 or 2 players. Then 1 player.

    It was so very reminiscent of Roeder/FFS last Jan transfer window. I dont bear grudge of course – it’s Mort’s first Jan window, and I genuinelly think Keegan rckons he could have got 3 players at the start of the window. However, I think it’s lessons learnt all round this year as we have to admit that a team in a similar situation to us have beaten us fair and square to a decent player. Why he chose them is only truly known to him, but as Englishman I would have thought he of all people would have known what special things Keegan can bring to this club…..he obviously didnt like something else (and dont believe it was the money becuase I bet there was plenty of that on the table!), so its worrying.

    Now that we’re out of the cup as well, it looks like this season really is just an example of how destructive FFS and FSA were to this club. We need to shrug our shoulders and carry on regardless – content that we’re at least in good hands now. This summer will be very telling as Keegan will need to have got the team playing a million times better so he can convinve incomers that we CAN and WILL qualify for Europe during the 08/09 campaign!

    We need our current players to play their hearts out from now on and earn the obscene amounts of cash involved….come on lads, do us fans proud!!

  • Tom_Toon

    Jan 27, 2008 at 12:23 PM

    Comment #20

    Mort has got to be interfering, thats why we arent getting the players. Just give Kev a set budget and let him spend it!

  • jenson button

    Jan 27, 2008 at 12:25 PM

    Comment #21

    we need to sign playerssssssssssssssssss

  • indian toon

    Jan 27, 2008 at 12:25 PM

    Comment #22

    our player’s seem to think with the ball on the foot . they dont hav clue where to pass!!

  • Nobby!

    Jan 27, 2008 at 1:06 PM

    Comment #23

    Butt was horrible last night. We should’ve sold him and kept Solano over the summer.

  • Penalty-Spot

    Jan 27, 2008 at 1:36 PM

    Comment #24

    It was up to Woodgate and he made his decision. We haven’t lost anything really. What we have to do now though is make old Woody realise that he’s made the wrong decision by finishing higher than Spurs this season. I think we can.

    Valle: on’t beleive that sh!te. They reported the same story (more or less) whem Sam was in th job. David Roz was saying just the other day what a refreshing change Keegan was and how he spoke to each individual player before the game about what to do and where to be.

  • Penalty-Spot

    Jan 27, 2008 at 1:38 PM

    Comment #25

    As reported by Ed:

    Beleive Roz not the ‘News’ of the World 🙂

  • Barca

    Jan 27, 2008 at 1:48 PM

    Comment #26

    Here are some of the main isses Keegan needs to assess very soon:

    1. The inner midfield lacks creativity and flair. There is no player at the moment who can serve our wingers and attackers with first class passes, nor follow up on our attacks.

    2. Too much pressure has be put on our young players N’Zogbia & Miller. Rather than being considered the 1st team choices, they should both be an understudy to someone with more experience to say the least (hopefully someone slightly better too), and not play every single game for NUFC. I think this will hinder their progress as well, when they don’t have enough time to assess their own game and how to improve it. Yet alone, compete under pressure week in and week out, can’t be healthy at the young age. Miller seem to have slippped in form since early of the season, and I’m sure fatigue is part of the reason. Both Ferguson and Wenger are masters of slowly introducing young players into their team.

    3. The defense has looked both sharp and rocky, so it’s been very inconsistent. I don’t think you can fault the players entirely due to the fact that they have not played that many games together. I forgot how many different pairings of center-backs we had under Allardyce, but in order to work effictively as a unit, CONSISTENCY is the key element here. It’s time to choose the 1st pair of center-backs and stick to it for better or worse.

    4. There are too many players at NUFC who is either out of form or not good enough. Owen, Viduka, & Geremi looks out of form to me (perhaps a bit out of shape too). Smith, Barton, Butt, and Ameobi, are not good enough to play in NUFC. I don’t think any of these players would be considered 1st team choices for a club in the Premiership with Top 6 ambitions. Why should Newcastle then? Time to get rid of these players and target players with real class that matches the ambition of the club.

    Love to hear your comments…

  • Penalty-Spot

    Jan 27, 2008 at 2:04 PM

    Comment #27

    Good points all of them though I don’t entirely agree on some.

    I think Zog and Milner should be the first team choice bu with decent back up/replacement to allow them to sit out the odd game or 70mins.

    I know wha you mean about Owen, Vids and Ger. That will improve as long as they can stay injury free. I do not think that we should get rid of Smith or Butt. Whilst more creativity is undoubtably needed these two can be massively useful when used at the right time. Barton, well he’s a whole different debate. He was really coming on before the recent debacle. Does Keegan have a go at shaping him or do we just get rid? I dunno, he’s very good footballer when he gets going ut justa right nutter at the same time.

    I’ll be interested to see how Emre comes on under Keegan.

  • Neil A H

    Jan 27, 2008 at 2:08 PM

    Comment #28

    That’s three times Woodgate has turned us down. First he went to Real Madrid, which you can’t really blame him. But to turn us down for Middlesbrough and now a London club is very depressing.

  • Elliott

    Jan 27, 2008 at 2:17 PM

    Comment #29

    I completely disagree that Barton ain’t good enough. Obviously you never watched him at man city or in preseason. If we can sort him out he’ll be a big, big player for us. We def need a attacking CM though. any fool can see that. Like the look of that Pandev. Can’t really think of anyone with prem experience we could sign to do a job for us this season.

  • Elliott

    Jan 27, 2008 at 2:18 PM

    Comment #30

    Gera? As a stopgap?

  • valle

    Jan 27, 2008 at 2:56 PM

    Comment #31

    ELFER… I didnt state is as a fact did i?… Actually i wrote that i sure as !¤%# didnt HOPE it was true, but fact is that neither you or myself was there so we cant really prove either way can we?… And btw, putting ur hopes on Martins and us signing Carrick is kinda outha touch with reality mate.

  • Barca

    Jan 27, 2008 at 2:57 PM

    Comment #32

    “. Obviously you never watched him at man city or in preseason. ”

    I have, but I stand by my statement. For a club as big as Newcastle, I don’t think Barton possesses the quality to match what they want to achive. If I’m not mistaken, Barton only has 1 cap to his name, when even the likes Jenas has 15 caps – that in itself speaks quite clearly about the quality of the player.

    There are plenty of good attacking midfielders out there that could be realistic signings for Newcastle, eg. Diego, Arshavin, Van Der Vaart, Carrick etc. I don’t think Barton falls in the same category as these players, or?

  • Tom_Toon

    Jan 27, 2008 at 3:07 PM

    Comment #33

    Diego and van der Vaart are not realistic signings, neither is Carrick an attacking midfielder and i doubt Arshavin is even on Keegan’s radar.

  • ronaldeano

    Jan 27, 2008 at 5:04 PM

    Comment #34

    Van Der Vaart IS a realistic signing, he is at Hamburg and wants away, Juve have told him he can fook off, so why not get VD Vaart?

  • Tom_Toon

    Jan 27, 2008 at 5:06 PM

    Comment #35

    Last i heard he was in talks with Juve. He doesnt want to go to a ok side to develop like he did with Hamburg, even though he had offers from Man Utd etc. He’ll go to a big club with CL football and a chance at challenging the title. He said he really wants to go to Spain.

  • ronaldeano

    Jan 27, 2008 at 5:18 PM

    Comment #36

    Money talks mate, if the contract is big enough…. He can develop at NUFC and play CL football with us at the end of next season! Juve are just a bunch of corrupt pricks

  • Tom_Toon

    Jan 27, 2008 at 5:25 PM

    Comment #37

    I dont think he’ll go to Juve,i think he’ll go to Valencia, as much as id love him here.

  • Tom_Toon

    Jan 27, 2008 at 5:49 PM

    Comment #38

    Ed – There is something seriously wrong with your site, it keeps coming up as ‘this is a 404 page’ on some of your thread with a load of gobledegook in blue writing (computer terms).

  • Ed Harrison

    Jan 27, 2008 at 6:03 PM

    Comment #39

    They seem to be having some data base problems with their hosts – both yesterday and today – which is the reason for the 404 pages.
    They are aware of the problem – hopefully will fix it. Sorry.


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