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Barton Shouldn’t Play In Current Circumstances

12:24 pm, Monday, January 28th, 2008 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 47 Comments

Kevin Keegan and Joey Barton are determined to turn the midfielder’s current terrible situation with the law, into a positive one, for both the player and Newcastle United Football Club.

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Joey Barton – let himself and his club down badly


The 25-year-old Liverpudlian is now in full training with Newcastle United, but will not be involved in any of our upcoming fixtures because he waits for his trial over an alleged incident in Liverpool, which occurred just after Christmas. That court hearing is due in early March, so that’s a long time to wait to have Joey playing again.

And, speaking to Newcastle World TV this week, Newcastle boss Keegan explained:

“Joey is fit and wants to play but he’s not had any matches.” “He is traveling a long way to train and I have explained to him why he won’t be involved until the picture become a little bit clearer.”

“He understands that and there’s no problem there.” “He has worked really hard in training and I do believe that we will make a plus out of a minus.”

“It’s not been a good time for him but if we can draw a line under this we can turn this into a positive.”

It’s not been a good time for Joey, but it shouldn’t be either, given the stupidity and immaturity he displayed when he was arrested.

Let’s get a few honest truths out by saying first of all there are two trials coming up for Joey, one in March and the other in June. The trial in June is for his altercation last April with his Manchester City team-mate Ousmane Dabo, at City’s training ground complex on 1 May.

Joey is innocent until proven guilty and we’ll have to await the results of those cases to see whether Barton is found guilty or not.

But let’s be real here, he has disgraced the Newcastle United club by his actions, and has hardly been a help to himself. We conducted a poll recently and half of those who voted did not want to see Joey play for Newcastle in this situation. 42% want him to play and 8% were undecided.

Here are the results with 716 voting.

We’re not sure it’s appropriate to involve Barton with Newcastle United, any more than have him training with the squad. It sends a bad precedent that you can break the law and end up in jail, but still play football. That’s not a good situation in our opinion.

We suppose Newcastle are still paying his wages but are getting precious little for it, at a time when we really need his midfield prowess. Yes, we know it’s good to have players overcome their problems, and we hope Joey can, but he shouldn’t be allowed to drag the Newcastle names into the mud.

Any more altercations after this by Joey, and he should be sacked from the club, and we should seek compensation for our loss. That should be written into his contract, however good a player he is.

But what do you think? Please let us know – comments very welcome.



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47 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Hammy // Jan 28, 2008 at 12:27 PM

    Anyone watch Prison Break??

  • 2 nightfall // Jan 28, 2008 at 12:29 PM

    i watch it…1st season was good, 2nd ok..and the 3rd sucks :)

  • 3 cooldj // Jan 28, 2008 at 12:33 PM

    yeah i do- why?

  • 4 nightfall // Jan 28, 2008 at 12:34 PM

    ..as for barton…we need a player like him, but not as mental as him…

  • 5 Hammy // Jan 28, 2008 at 12:36 PM

    Joey’s contracted for a special appearance….

    Hey Ed, you flogging Chinese birds now?

    Is that legal?

    Do you do sale or return?

  • 6 jimmer // Jan 28, 2008 at 12:45 PM

    he should be sacked as soon as the first guilty decision is made. which it will. he’s bad for football as a whole and newcastle specifically. we have the money to replace him. keegan said he let him down in the past. once bitten twice shy and all that. i dont care if keegan wants to give him a second chance. maybe if we sacked him it might wake him up a bit. surely his contract will have a clause about getting into trouble. if it hasnt we’re mugs.

  • 7 George // Jan 28, 2008 at 12:52 PM

    Joey Barton has a fiery temper. A temper that is easily inflamed. Is it wise to play him, when you can guarantee that he is going to be jeered, have the peeee taken out of him, have insults thrown at him, be booed. Is that the environment to play someone of Joey Bartons disposition, i do not think so and will be surprised if KK puts him in that position.

  • 8 toonoholic // Jan 28, 2008 at 1:11 PM

    barton for asisstant manager ?

  • 9 stjames // Jan 28, 2008 at 1:14 PM

    Joey is by court order being medically/psychologically treated at a semi closed clinic. I suppose the idea is to help him concentrate on his illness and shelter him from outside pressure and interference.

    He flies to training by helicopter between sessions and courses at the institute. And the club is contemplating playing Joey, even before he has been properly discharged. According to KK, this is done to help Joey. Stress and outside attention has always been helpful for curing mental disorders, – hasn’t it.

    In my opinion Joey should be left alone and he should only be back at the club if he’s acquitted and has been able to make substantial progress. And it can take considerable time to come to grips with a mental condition. The club should make it absolutely clear to him that he’s on his own if he doesn’t behave in the future.

    The club is probably minimizing Joey’ change of success by stepping in like it does.

  • 10 Obafan // Jan 28, 2008 at 1:18 PM

    I’m starting to get sick of these articles about Barton. Someone who does such a bad things and still gets placed in the same sentence as Newcastle united is awful. He is a disgrace and should never be given the chance again of playing at the highest level. He had lots of chances and did not grab one of them. End of story for me.

  • 11 BILLY-B // Jan 28, 2008 at 1:18 PM

    If i fought with a workmate at work i would be sacked no question. If i got into trouble with the police for violent behaviour and had to take time of work i would be sacked no question. Joey Barton is guilty of both of these acts but not only are the club taken no action against him but seem to be making excuses for him and as far as im aware still paying his exorbitant wages. Are footballers exempt from normal rules of the workplace. Joey Barton has proved not once but four times as far as i know and could be more and probably that he is a violent uncontroble thug and newcastle united will stick by him to there cost.

  • 12 Paul // Jan 28, 2008 at 1:22 PM

    He should NEVER play for us again and should be sacked at the earliest opportunity.

  • 13 ObaFan2 // Jan 28, 2008 at 1:24 PM

    Sigh, KK’s gotta lotta work ahead of him.

    Barton’s been a real disappointment on the pitch aswell as off the pitch but so have Smith, Geremi, Butt and others.

    Our only really creative mf player is Emre and he’s not reliable. His dead ball plays are better than anyone elses and hopefully KK will turn him into a first team regular.

  • 14 wrighty // Jan 28, 2008 at 1:31 PM

    Butt – a disappointment…really? I would say he’s been arguably one of our better players this year (which is not hard granted).

  • 15 ObaFan2 // Jan 28, 2008 at 1:41 PM

    wrighty, He’s been ok at best but his passing and tackling have left us vulnerable so many times. Don’t get me wrong I’m not a Butt basher like some but his standard of play should be a whole lot better taking into consideration his experience.

    Best players this season have been Beye, Taylor, Zog. Ok players have been Duff (still coming back from a long injury), Milner (except for crossing), Faye , Cacapa (prone to a mistake or 2 but still learning the league),Duke and Shay ofc.

    Even Carr’s played better than Butt.

  • 16 Graham // Jan 28, 2008 at 1:45 PM

    Obafan2 – I agree. I reckon Emre can at last show his true worth under Keegan. As long as he can start to stay on his feet and stop complaining about every challenge against him that doesnt goes his way i think he could be the answer to our creative midfiled problems

  • 17 Graham // Jan 28, 2008 at 1:46 PM

    Obafan2 – ive heard that Bartons a butt basher…

  • 18 ObaFan2 // Jan 28, 2008 at 1:48 PM

    Lol I knew that phrase would amuse :D

  • 19 Micky Toon // Jan 28, 2008 at 1:49 PM

    Barton is just another Lee Bowyer, but he can string a couple of passes together.
    Get rid, let him be someone elses problem.

  • 20 Bill f // Jan 28, 2008 at 2:01 PM

    I would agree with most of ObaFan2′s comments, even the Carr one. KK does have his work cut out.

    Billy_B’s comments are also valid, I too would expect short shrift if I decided to chin someone at work even if there was justification.
    I hope he realises just how priviledged he is not only to be able to do the job he does but also to have the support of the club to get him through his problems.
    A lot of modern day players seem to develope over hyped ego’s, I would think some of the older maximum wage players are either turning in their graves or (if still alive) seething with indignation and frustration.

  • 21 Obafan // Jan 28, 2008 at 2:05 PM

    Obafan2 – Taylor one of the better players this season??? I just can’t understand why the most of you don’t see (or don’t want to see) the many mistakes he makes. I hated last Saturday when he went under the ball and then he was laughing with it. Cacapa is by miles better than Taylor, but he is always the guilty one. Okay he played 3 crap games, but he also played a couple of very good solid games, but then he was not mentionned again.

  • 22 JW // Jan 28, 2008 at 2:05 PM

    oh get a grip, for God’s sake! What he did wasn’t good and I’m not happy about it but was it any worse than Cantona’s kungfu kick into the crowd?! Of course not. But Cantona was a legend at Man Utd and I don’t see why we should give up on a player just because he was a bad lad.

    GET REAL, YOU LOT!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 23 ObaFan2 // Jan 28, 2008 at 2:09 PM

    Obafan, No one has consistently played well this season however I’ve seen great improvements in some of the younger players like Zog n Taylor but yes they are not the finished article yet. At least they have age on their side.
    Forever the optimist tbh.

  • 24 keegan // Jan 28, 2008 at 2:13 PM

    im sick of hearing its hard to find the right players just look at tottenham they have a better squad of players but can still find players better than what they have. if MIKE ASHLEY has the money to spend we should be selling the club to players telling the clubs ambitions.so until anything happens i would like CHRIS MORT to talking to the papers about football something he clearly knows nothing about.

  • 25 keegan // Jan 28, 2008 at 2:15 PM

    lets be honest the only player who has performed well this season is steve harper and he is not even in the team

  • 26 mark // Jan 28, 2008 at 2:24 PM

    Joey Barton is class, we are a disgraced club anyway so just let it continue, we wont ever shake that image.

  • 27 Leo* // Jan 28, 2008 at 2:44 PM

    people dont want him playing under current circumstances. but if he is proven not guilty, then im sure if he has put the work in on the training ground, and works hard in games then the toon faithful will welcome him back in open arms, but i think we will always open the news expecting to see his name again after it…

  • 28 stjames // Jan 28, 2008 at 2:50 PM

    BILLY-B #10.

    You said it. I completely agree with you.

  • 29 obafemimartins // Jan 28, 2008 at 3:04 PM

    to the obafan2 who wants me to post the list of transfer rumours. do you you want me to include the rumours that were around when alllardyce was here (they will be shit of course)

  • 30 LoonyToon // Jan 28, 2008 at 3:12 PM

    Billy B….so if one of your workmates (or anyone else for that matter) spat in your face would you not want to knock them out? thought you would….I do not condone his actions one little bit but too many people tend to jump on the bandwagon a little (maybe cos he is a footballer or maybe cos he is Joey Barton??!!) and forget the minor details like provocation…anyone who reckons they would walk away from provocation like that is a bare faced liar….simple as…If he is fit and able to play, get the boy in the side….he has a lot of quality that we at Newcastle have yet to see….at the moment, with the players we have at our disposal, Barton and Emre would be my first choice centre mid pairing..

  • 31 ObaFan2 // Jan 28, 2008 at 3:21 PM

    obafemimartins, no just KK’s era but it looks like it’l be a” shallow” list with no one coming in.

    It will go to highlite the press and their speculative approach to sports news. Also the players and even managers making gain from the Toon like Richards @ Man C getting a new contract or HR @ Pompey!

  • 32 LoonyToon // Jan 28, 2008 at 3:22 PM

    Mark – U are on the wrong blog mate….”We are a disgraced club”…try this link…bit closer to home one thinks

    http://sunderlandafc.blogspot.com/

  • 33 Bill f // Jan 28, 2008 at 3:29 PM

    LoonyToon, trouble is he seems to be a serial reactor, going into meldown very easily. My martial arts instructor (Aikido many years ago) always said the sensible reaction to provocation was to catch the first bus available away from the scene (really). The impression I have from reports is that he is the instigator of trouble in many instances.

    From a purely footballing angle I want to see the best players doing their best for us but not at any cost.

  • 34 ObaFan2 // Jan 28, 2008 at 3:37 PM

    Barton must be asked about why he was out a 5 in the morning as he should realise that he is under the spotlight at all times and it is one of the reasons these footballers are paid so well.

    Let alone being out and drunk BUT fighting too ! whether he instigated it or not it is just not acceptable imo.

    Bill F, I bet your martial arts instructor’s first lesson was to avoid going to places in the first place that pose a possible threat! 2nd run(get the bus :) ), 3rd fight ! lol

  • 35 Bill f // Jan 28, 2008 at 3:41 PM

    ObaFan2, dead right. :)

  • 36 Wynn the Leap // Jan 28, 2008 at 3:42 PM

    Whats the prob? I’ve got loads of violent mates who are always in trouble with the law. They regularly go training with a chopper, and no one stops them signing on :)

  • 37 Karl Fenham Hustler // Jan 28, 2008 at 4:02 PM

    Joey’s a legend.. Just a bad temper, like you’ve never had a fight before

  • 38 Leo* // Jan 28, 2008 at 4:11 PM

    sensai Aikido… are you from ashington bill f? im sure jill kelly and ian willis were the main teachers for ashington and the person who took some of the gradings was Aikido… maybe wrong, bin a good 8 years since i did karate

  • 39 hanz-emre // Jan 28, 2008 at 7:09 PM

    am with Karl Fenham Hustler & LoonyToon about Barton. He a bad guy personally yes he is.What a disgrace to NUFC. But at time like this it is his football ability we want KK to give him 2nd chance. Lets him fight for his place & show us his force/arts eventually.

  • 40 stjames // Jan 28, 2008 at 8:37 PM

    LoonyToon #30: “so if one of your workmates (or anyone else for that matter) spat in your face would you not want to knock them out?”

    You walk away. The spitter is the one with the problems. The spitter is the one that is likely to be locked away, – like Joey. There is no sense in taking him on, – he’s a looser anyway. So walk away.

  • 41 LoonyToon // Jan 28, 2008 at 9:57 PM

    Gents…I value all your opinions on this one..anyone who does walk away has obviously got a better temper than me…on a pure footballing note, Joseph needs to get his head down and show us what he can do on the field…not off it…

  • 42 ChrisL // Jan 28, 2008 at 11:27 PM

    As long as the club are paying his wages… I want him available to play.

  • 43 Bill f // Jan 29, 2008 at 12:32 AM

    Leo, belated reply again, sorry. Aikido is a martial art. I practised in Essex for about ten yearts till I got a slighlty dodgy knee at the ripe old age of 57 that was a few years ago. I do Irish stick fighting now which doesn’t require as much knee bending and flexing. I would still try to walk away from a provocation though as StJames said the provoker is the one with the problem.

  • 44 Bill f // Jan 29, 2008 at 12:35 AM

    Ten years not yearts, sounds like a Mongolian tent don’ t it

  • 45 Toon_Under // Jan 29, 2008 at 2:23 AM

    LooneyToon I am with you on this one – while no doubt it is much better to avoid the situation or to walk away, I take the view that anyone that spits at me needs to be taught some manors. Also, if that occurred in the workplace the guy who started it would be gone as well. So there goes that analogy since I don’t see Dabo or the 5am clowns sitting in the dock waiting for their punishment – apart from Barton’s damage, they’ve gotten off with nothing.

    I don’t know why Barton was out a 5am, but it’s happened. Since I know I wasn’t there to see him either instigate or kick off things off he will get the benefit of the doubt from me for the time being. But lets be honest: The guy can play football, and he is a lot better than the clowns like Smith and Butt who are playing Dyer-esque roles at the moment. Get him playing, keep him at the clinic in hampshire in between and it is a win win for everyone – we get his skills and he’s tucked up in bed at 7pm.

  • 46 Stami // Jan 29, 2008 at 7:14 AM

    this is Football not bloody ballet…you want you players to be hard and tough as S#!T! granted he should have been extra cautious with the 1st assult charge already over his head!!! give the poor bugger a chance! i would much rather know that i had hard Barton lookin out for me on the pitch than some nancy boy!!!

  • 47 Leo* // Jan 29, 2008 at 9:27 AM

    ah now i know not to start a fight with you then lol… stick fighting sounds quite violent.




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