Are Newcastle Still Soft Touch in Transfer Market?


With a new Chairman, Owner and Manager in place from last season, we wonder if Newcastle are still considered a soft touch in the transfer market.

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Chris Mort and Kevin Keegan – savvy in transfer market?

What we mean by this is that in the past Newcastle have paid far too much for players, given them too high a wage package and then sold out players for less than they are worth.

Good examples of buying overpriced players recently are Luque (£9.5M) and Boumsong (£8.5M) and we expect we also paid these players far too high a wage. That was certainly true in Luque’s case by his own admission. Then if they don’t work out of course, it’s hard to get them to leave, because they’ll have to take a wage cut. Marcelino was a good example of that.

One the other hand we tend to let our own players go on the cheap. A good example of that is when we let Nobby Solano go to Aston Villa for around £1.5M in January, 2004. A ridiculous deal on the Newcastle side and one that then Villa manager David O’Leary still cannot believe he got.

We’ll be able to see better in the summer as we sign new players, but we may also need to let young Charles N’Zogbia go to London. Then the question is how much should we expect for Charles?

Amounts of £15M to us are way too high, and we would expect to get between £5-£10M for him. We think around £8-£10M would be a fair price.

So we will run two new polls on our site.

  1. Are Newcastle still a soft touch in the transfer market now we have new management?
  2. How much should we expect from N’Zogbia – Less than £5M, £5M, £10M, £15M, More than £15M

This topic has been suggested this morning by one of readers, Aussie Dave, and we regularly invite suggested topics you want articles on. Juts fill in the contact form and send it to us – under CONTACT US at the top of the site.

Let us know what you think.

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29 comments so far

  • broon ale

    Feb 7, 2008 at 12:17 PM

    Comment #1

    all the examples provided are from the our previous regime. the new board are more proffesional. this was demonstrated in the appointment of the new manager. No one had a clue what was going on behind the scenes. People like Alan Oliver and sky sports spent 2 weeks making up storys! as far as transfers are concerned, so far so good ( question mark over Alan smith for me) transfers gone out,, good business!

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  • UTD111

    Feb 7, 2008 at 12:19 PM

    Comment #2

    We won’t be a soft touch – the signs are there already in that we didnt jump in for players we could have got in January. Ashley is a shrewd business man, not famed for paying over the odds (although he did end up paying more than expected for United!). And Mort seems equally shrewd and an extremely capable chairman.
    £10m minimum for Zog or he goes nowhere….in my humble opinion!!
    Cheers

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  • BEW POSITIVE

    Feb 7, 2008 at 12:20 PM

    Comment #3

    Were we ever truly savvy in the market ?! Our previous muppetry show had us believe we were only to fool us into thinking bigger and putting bums on seats. I think Keegan, backed with a new burning desire to impress must have had a huge list of players. But either none would come to us at this critical time, or that the new board would not be prepared to use money to compensate for a lack of appeal as has been the case on everyone of our primary transfers to date. There is two roads to take. Either Mike plows money into the club this summer, getting the neccessary talented needed regardless of how we finished in Europe, or we run the club on a budget, saving cash and playing cheaper, economical players and youth until we finally make a breakthrough and then, perhaps 2-3 years down the line, blank the cheques. Either way, im not impressed with the board so far. Far from it. They are demanding yet have not sanctioned any deals. We have arguably let go BETTER players than what we have signed in Parker, Dyer, Solano, etc.

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  • Kash2

    Feb 7, 2008 at 12:23 PM

    Comment #4

    £10m would be the going rate for N’Zogbia with the potential he has. I’d also expect bonus payments if he were to break into French national team and achievements with clubs too! He has plenty of talent which could lead to him being a top EPL player, why sell a player of that potential on the cheap?

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  • drh

    Feb 7, 2008 at 12:24 PM

    Comment #5

    agree, january showed what the new regime are about, they valued the giles barnes at x derby wanted y, fred would have paid y and tripled his wages, the new regime stuck to their guns and i for one am happy. This will put the club in a strong position in the longer term for a number of reasons:

    1 – the word will get around that newcaslte are not there to be played with
    2 – if they make an offer there may be room for some negotiation, but not double the figure type negitiation
    3 – players who want to come here will for footballing reasons as well as financial, as i am sure we will still pay good salaries

    Nzog is less than £10m in my eyes, yes he runs past players, but how often does he deliver a killer ball? not very is the answer, if unhappy move him on, yes he will be a loss but he cost the club very little and a good bid would be sensible business, also do we want him sulking around the place when the majority seem to be pumped up for the challenge?

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  • Kash2

    Feb 7, 2008 at 12:25 PM

    Comment #6

    DRH – SPOT FCUKING ON!!!!!

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  • Gooderz

    Feb 7, 2008 at 12:36 PM

    Comment #7

    To be honest, if Zog leaves in the summer for whatever price then it’s a bad move on his part. He should at least give next season a go and see how things pan out with the position he plays in (as he should playing further forward) and the way the team perform.

    If he goes anywhere, it should be to Arsenal as with Clichy they’d have the future LW of France. Perhaps then we could get a promising youngster or two in part exchange, because they’re all very good ball players and we do lack in that department.

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  • Andreas

    Feb 7, 2008 at 12:41 PM

    Comment #8

    Imo Zog shouldn’t be sold for less than 10 mill (ok price but would like a few more mill for his potential). If he’d been English the going rate would have been 18ish mill (eg. Bent valuation).l

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  • Kein

    Feb 7, 2008 at 12:45 PM

    Comment #9

    I don’t think we are a soft touch (anymore), but we will have huge problems to attract special players with reasonable transfer fees and wages. Many teams in EPL (top 4, tottenham, maybe man city, pompey and villa???) are ahead of us at the moment when available players choose their new clubs..Then the only choice to get them would be to overpay. And that’s what we have done before. Money is a bad motivator for players, especially if it’s the only motivating thing..Hopefully Keegan gets the team going and that helps us attracting quality players so we don’t have to be a soft touch!

    And no hope for getting 10m for Charles! He’s a great runner and dribbler, but his crossing is weak..not so many goals or assists for a 10m player..

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  • GM

    Feb 7, 2008 at 12:49 PM

    Comment #10

    I’m sorry but if zog only wants to go to be closer to his mummy in london, then why doesnt he buy her a bloody house up here, god knows I bet he can afford it. If he wants to go for other reasons then he should say so, STOP hiding behind ur mum u bloody wus

    I bet its the bloody agent behind all this talk but would be nicve to have it clarified by the player/club

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  • Leo*

    Feb 7, 2008 at 12:54 PM

    Comment #11

    i hope we get 15mil. if mort is as good as he seems then we might just get that IF we have to sell…

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  • nightfall

    Feb 7, 2008 at 12:55 PM

    Comment #12

    zog for van perise…problem solved…

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  • Stami

    Feb 7, 2008 at 1:22 PM

    Comment #13

    its a catch 22. as Kein said in post 8, there are teams ahead of us that available players would like to go to! to overpay is 1 way of getting in quality, but has had a very negative impact on the club in the past. the only way forward is for our current squad to start performing well, playing attractive and winning football, making it once again appealing to top players to play here.

    i am sure KK is the man to do that exact job and see us being back in Europe end of next season, and we all know that European football is another huge draw card for bringing in players.

    as for Zoggy, i would hate to see him go, i see massive potential in him if he is used correctly in the squad. think 12mil would be a fair price for such a young promising player.

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  • iain

    Feb 7, 2008 at 1:36 PM

    Comment #14

    we paid 6m each for older players with less ability than zog who has just signed a new 5yr deal. (barton/smith)

    bidding should start at 7m minimum and aim to get 8/9m if we have to let him leave. lets hope we dont come to that.

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  • Chris

    Feb 7, 2008 at 1:50 PM

    Comment #15

    10 million at least otherwise he goes nowhere. I’m sick of us never making profit on players when we do sell them on. N’zogbia is a little bastard anyway, never thort he was happy here. I think he is a good player, but still a little overated in my opinion. He doesn’t stick to his wing enough, he chooses to cut inside far to often. He shud be trying to get crosses in all the time. He cant defend for shit either, but we have no one else to play there especially wen Enrique is injured. So that isnt his fault

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  • Bill F

    Feb 7, 2008 at 1:55 PM

    Comment #16

    Thing is soft touch or not, we will still have to pay out top dollar for the top players. You only have to look at what the other (top) clubs are paying to get the best (even the young ones) players. Ashley and Co. may just have to suck the lemon and get on with it.

    What I think may be relevent is that they are not going to pay top money for the middling players which has to be a good and positive two finger salute to the market.

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  • ToonUSA

    Feb 7, 2008 at 2:48 PM

    Comment #17

    Do you all ever think the players log on and read some of these sites? Hope not and I hope this Zog disscution dies as soon as possible. the longer it lingers the higher the odds of the lad leaving. So ED i ask kindly to stop these articles of what if’s about our most promising youngester. The london media already does so much to disrupt our team so lets not add more wood the fires they start.

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  • CJ

    Feb 7, 2008 at 3:25 PM

    Comment #18

    Gm- 10

    How do you know his Mam lives in London he hasn’t come out and said that it could all be a load of rubbish.

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  • MJ

    Feb 7, 2008 at 3:30 PM

    Comment #19

    Bale cost 10 mil so Zog worth 15

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  • steve k

    Feb 7, 2008 at 4:03 PM

    Comment #20

    it’s irrelevant where their family lives. millions of ordinary people have to live thousands of miles away from their families, and unlike Charles, don’t have the resources to see them at the drop of a hat.

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  • Andreas

    Feb 7, 2008 at 4:08 PM

    Comment #21

    steve k – couldn’t agree more, spot on.

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  • Matthew Tom

    Feb 7, 2008 at 4:45 PM

    Comment #22

    Ungrateful little bleeder. How many other very young players starting every game in the Premiership would act like him?

    I expect it’s mainly being put at left back all the time. Quite understandable too I feel, given he’s clearly a winger. If I was KK I would put him on the left wing all the time, and bring Duff over to the right with Milner stepping in on either side when one of them gets injured or fatigued.

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  • greg

    Feb 7, 2008 at 5:24 PM

    Comment #23

    I reckon we’ll get no more than £6m for Zoggers

    we got shafted again with Solano, 500k? How we could have done with him…

    £6m for smith… f**k’s sake.

    I would like to think we’re on a similar ambition scale as Spurs, Top 6 to push for 4 in the next 5 years, I just can’t see us being able to beat Spurs to players. Especially if we then start selling them our best

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  • Aussie dave

    Feb 7, 2008 at 10:33 PM

    Comment #24

    Cheers Ed

    good article and great response.

    I tend to agree, if Smith is worth 6m and Bale 8m then Nzogbia has to be at least 10m.
    i would like to think between now and the summer we can show enough ambition for him to stay.

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  • Len

    Feb 8, 2008 at 2:30 AM

    Comment #25

    The only people talking about Zog leaving is his Mr 15% Willie Mac who is looking for a big pay day and you lot who are abusing him for absolutely no reason.

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  • Graeme

    Feb 8, 2008 at 8:18 AM

    Comment #26

    The bottom line is, who wants to come to Newcastle when they can get a good deal in London or Manchester? We know how good Newcastle is as a place to be, but they only see the bright lights of London!!!

    If any player has a choice of us or a London or Manchester club, we will be a long way second, so we HAVE to offer more in other areas to get them here – even Shearer was no different.

    Yes, European Football will be a factor, but at the end of the day it comes down to the players Bank Account!!!! Call it greed, call it economics, but its reality!!!!

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  • SPOT THE ZEBRA

    Feb 8, 2008 at 8:21 AM

    Comment #27

    “Are Newcastle Still Soft Touch in Transfer Market?”
    Maybe that should read Newcastle FANS !!!
    The media see another chance to harm the club by going overboard with the NZogbia story and the fans take it as he has already signed for Spurs.
    Read the articles again but this time understand theyre written through the eyes of southern based hacks looking to sell papers through sensationalism.

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  • Leo*

    Feb 8, 2008 at 3:24 PM

    Comment #28

    graeme there is only one manchester club i would consider rather than newcastle and tht is united not city

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  • Keltik

    Feb 8, 2008 at 4:45 PM

    Comment #29

    ED YOU SAY =

    “£8-£10M” wouldbe a “fair price” for NZOG

    ARE YOU CRAZY!>!>!>>!>!

    I dont know if you have realised but certain young players, and even lder who are MUCH WORSE than Nzog have gone for higher ammonts.

    WE ARE COMPLETE MUGS IF WE DONT AT LEAST GET £15+ MILLION FOR NZOG.

    I AGREE ITS OVER INFLATED BUT THE WHOLE MARKET IS OVER INFLATED, WHY DOES EVERYONE SEEM TO PAY CRAZY MONEY FOR PLAYERS EXCEPT WHEN THEY COME FROM US!!!!

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