Newcastle Players Surrender – It’s Not Good Enough


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Here are some comments and observations on today’s game, but our major complaint today is that we gave up the fight when we went 2-1 down after 6 minutes into the second half. That’s completely unacceptable to the Newcastle United faithful.

Here’s some other comments on the game today:

  • The players should take note and keep playing in these games when they get behind, or we should ship them out in the summer – quickly. The second half was a pathetic imitation of a football team this afternoon – and we will soon be in relegation trouble if we don’t quickly recover from this debacle of a half – it’s completely unacceptable.
  • The first half was a good performance and we deserved to be 1-0 up with a good opportunist goal form Michael Owen
  • We didn’t show up for the second half and something that Newcastle fans will not tolerate form the players – they gave up the fight when we went down 2-1
  • In the second half the performance was reminiscent of the Manchester United second half. The defense looked no better than League 2 standard and the players have to accept the reposnibil;ity of a despicable performance in the final 45 minutes
  • Something is seriously wrong with our defenders, and it’s probably in their minds because they are decent enough players with good footballing CVs
  • Kevin didn’t pick a good team today, and should not have given starts to Carr, Butt and Smith when Enrique, Faye and Viduka were available, and they are simply better players than the 3 he started. That’s the mistake Sam kept making – picking what he thought were the best 11 players but playing them out of their position. It just doesn’t work as we proved yet again today.
    Drop Smith because he doesn’t deserve to be the team on current performances, and play Beye and Enrique at full back, because they are the best we have.
    We cannot have favorites at the club and risk relegation because of it. Keegan should always pick the best team available whether players get upset by being left out or not.
    For heavens sake they are grown men – spoiled yes – but they still should be mature enough to be able to take being dropped.
  • As an example of a player out of position – the first thing Carr did after 10 seconds into the game was he got the ball on his left side, and switched it over to his right – so he could kick it away. He’s just not a left back and shouldn’t be played there. Heaven knows what Enrique must be thinking – but he’s probably already got his bags half-packed to leave the club in the summer
  • Kevin will need to have a no holds barred team meeting on Monday, and get to the bottom of what is wrong with these guys – they are not performing for this club – given the wages they are receiving and each one of them needs to look themselves in the mirror – hard. If they were to have a day off Monday – it should be canceled.
    This club is too big and too proud to be relegated with the squad we have
  • Kevin needs to get Alan Shearer in to help with the spirit and the coaching of the team. He needs to go out of his way in the next 2 weeks to work with Kevin, as much as he can, to help with the morale and training of these players. Newcastle needs Alan Shearer to help Keegan at the club right now and we expect Alan to respond – if at all possible
  • If we are to get beaten 4-1 again this season ,then the players should make sure we don’t wave the white flag as soon as we go behind – that’s just not acceptable
  • If the senior players aren’t willing to fight for the team in the remaining games – bring in the youngsters – they’ll be willing to fight for the team

Comments welcome – just keep the language decent for the kids.



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351 comments so far

  • Steve H

    Feb 9, 2008 at 3:51 PM

    Comment #1

    Following Keegans success at Newcastle he has been nominated for an OBE “out before Easter”

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  • sparetheman

    Feb 9, 2008 at 3:51 PM

    Comment #2

    I’m off for a kip. Wake me up when we have a good team.

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  • Griff

    Feb 9, 2008 at 3:52 PM

    Comment #3

    Damn straight!!!!

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  • Beardsley's Love Child

    Feb 9, 2008 at 3:52 PM

    Comment #4

    “Kevin didn’t pick a good team today, and should NOT have given starts to Carr, Butt and Smith when Enrique, Faye and Viduka were available, and they are simply better players than the 3 he started. ”

    Ed I fixed your post.

    Didn’t see teh game but saw the starting line up somewhere about 3-1. When I read the starting line up I knew why…

    This performance is simply inexcuseable. I do not know what to think really…

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  • AdamCF

    Feb 9, 2008 at 3:54 PM

    Comment #5

    BLC.. add Kadar to that list also.

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  • kris

    Feb 9, 2008 at 4:03 PM

    Comment #6

    Keegan is not a defensive coach never has been and never will be,this situation wouldnt be to bad if we were scoreing goals but were not infact it doesnt look like were doing anything right on the field,i agree with ed bring on the young ones players need changing quickly,looks like boro have passed us in the league thats how bad.

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  • Hadji

    Feb 9, 2008 at 4:08 PM

    Comment #7

    Take a good look Mike Ashley,cause maybe you’re so called big investments in the transfer market might be too late in the summer.
    NOBODY will come to us if we get relegated.

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  • CJ

    Feb 9, 2008 at 4:16 PM

    Comment #8

    Spot on Hadji- I think mike Ashley and KK’s cautiousness in ths transfer market could see us being relegated.

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  • daiv

    Feb 9, 2008 at 4:18 PM

    Comment #9

    Mike Ashley must be really worrried. He keeps making poor calls which look like costing him hundreds of millions. KK is an honourable man and would walk away if we got relegated.
    This club is very dear to me but I am fed up with these so called stars ripping the supporters and club off. It would be better to get relegated and start again with young players who believe in the club. The Owens, red Butts and Vidukas of this world ..all money mercenaries…can clear off and depress some other club. Bring on the youth and the Championship!!!

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  • ToonUSA

    Feb 9, 2008 at 4:20 PM

    Comment #10

    The same shit players that got Leeds relegated are trying to take us down as well……This is crap

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  • Michael

    Feb 9, 2008 at 4:21 PM

    Comment #11

    I said it before and will say it again. Keegan does not know tactics. You hire mediocrity, you get mediocrity, it is a simple equation. Keegan has always been mediocrity.

    >Quit Newcastle
    >Quit England “I do not know tactics”
    >Quit city “I cannot get it right”

    he has been out of football since 2004 and has not watched a game since 2005. What do you expect? Tripe.

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  • daiv

    Feb 9, 2008 at 4:25 PM

    Comment #12

    Team selection was so peverse today you could almost say it was suicidal and deliberate. How can any manager make so many rank bad selections. What must Enrique and Viduka be thinking. Unbelievable Kevin. Time to put the tin lid on Messiah, because you are going to get exactly what Big Sam got. You deserve it more…at least Sam only played the wingers on their wrong wings. He did not play a useless right back at LEFT back when there is Enrique available.

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  • kris

    Feb 9, 2008 at 4:26 PM

    Comment #13

    Bit harsh on Keegan that like micheal,players keep saying morale is high with the new manager we”ve seen nothing different yet

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  • Michael

    Feb 9, 2008 at 4:35 PM

    Comment #14

    Fact of the matter is, you do not get a manager because the fans love him. He is not there to manage the fans but the players. Keegan was brought to manage the fans. Ashley knew the fans wanted keegan and would be slow to turn on him. He bought time.

    Ashley is not willing to spend money, the lack of transfer activity in January attests to this and what is he paying Keegan. The cheapest option of managers out there. He sacked Sam because he was paying him too much.

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  • ToonUSA

    Feb 9, 2008 at 4:36 PM

    Comment #15

    All its the curse of the Leeds players Vid, millner, and Smith. when you have players that relegated teams and everyone thinks they are great. so as far as they are concerned someone else will pick em up when we go down. Send Smith to the reserves until he learns how to score a goal, along with Millner until he figures out how to cross. and in regards to Vid well he is never fit nuff said.
    I blame the players but i am baffled as to how much KK seems to favor the names of players like previous managers. I am trying not to freak out

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  • John

    Feb 9, 2008 at 4:36 PM

    Comment #16

    why did’nt he make a change at 2-1 today? we were crying out for a change and it would off been ideal if Butt was taken off for Emre and smith for Viduka…

    Its so annoying..Its not like Villa were good today either..All they did waslump the ball up to 2 big ooafs and still got 4 goals…They played crap also..

    Its so annoying…..im not convinced about keegan now..
    If this was big sam team now , everyone would be gunning for him

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  • John

    Feb 9, 2008 at 4:37 PM

    Comment #17

    great…scum up 2-0 ..looks like were going to be the worst team in the north east also

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  • Hadrian

    Feb 9, 2008 at 4:39 PM

    Comment #18

    all season this has been going on .
    we either score and fall asleep, only to concede mins later .
    or we concede and fold like a deck of cards .
    its horrible to watch , keegans right , grown men let themselves be bullied off the park in the second half .

    anyone who go’s along with what the media tells you has no brain and doesnt deserve tobe listened to , keegan played at the top of the game for years and has managed for going on 20 year nearly , if you think a man like that isnt more savy about tactics than the likes of foul mouthed idiots posting on message boards , then you aswell dont deserve tobe listened to .

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  • Leo*

    Feb 9, 2008 at 4:42 PM

    Comment #19

    i hate nicky butt i am thinking about changing my name to that

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  • the big p

    Feb 9, 2008 at 4:43 PM

    Comment #20

    Drop Smith r u kidding? The owner wears his shirt to bed!!!!!
    Smith is not adding to the team, at least that is how it seems to me. Yet Allydice played him consistently inspite of results, perhaps Keegans hands have been tied also.
    To me that is that big question perhaps both managers have been told to build the team around him!!!!
    I hope things change.

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  • John

    Feb 9, 2008 at 4:43 PM

    Comment #21

    the worst thing about our football club is that we see these interviews all week every week , about how great the future is going to be and the club is moving in the right direction , all this b…l..ox .

    Were if you really look at it , were going backwards..Im sick off all the talk now , i want to see actions…Id prefer now that i hear nothing from them…

    Shut up talking and give me actions now, or just get out off the club…Just wasting my own money on this crap team ..Im sick of it now ..

    Villa were crap today aswell an EASILY beat us 4-1 ..Its ridculous

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  • nufctj

    Feb 9, 2008 at 4:48 PM

    Comment #22

    some of us need to shut the all bloody hell up! I cannot believe there are people on here already calling for KK’s head. 4 league games in and we should get rid of KK? Some of our so called supporters are daft pr&*ks!

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  • briss

    Feb 9, 2008 at 4:49 PM

    Comment #23

    I know there is trouble with Zog but he was completely missing from the squad today, is he really that unhappy? i think he would have made a difference today. We need a miracle to get a win against united. lets just start by scoring goals!

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  • Rob Kirton

    Feb 9, 2008 at 4:49 PM

    Comment #24

    Michael:”Keegan has always been mediocrity.”

    – Saving us from relegation – getting us promoted – almost winning Premier

    – Getting Fulham promoted and up to their highest league position since Noah built an arc

    – Getting Man City promoted and then into Europe

    All without flashing the cheque book as much as people suggest. His poor buys are few and far between in comparison to other managers.

    Or maybe I’m dreaming or have just made all of this up.

    For God’s sake cut the guy some slack and give him a chance. I’d rather put faith in him than some of the no hopers and never will be characters we’ve had since he last managed us.

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  • GP

    Feb 9, 2008 at 4:50 PM

    Comment #25

    briss you are a complete moron, Charlie was suspended for todays match. If you’re not going to follow the club properly, why bother?

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  • John

    Feb 9, 2008 at 4:50 PM

    Comment #26

    nufctj did u see the team today, or are you blind

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  • Rob Kirton

    Feb 9, 2008 at 4:50 PM

    Comment #27

    briss : The FA wouldn’t let Zog come out and play. He was suspended – and they’d also taken away his football :0)

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  • John

    Feb 9, 2008 at 4:51 PM

    Comment #28

    5 gamesactualy, no win…no excuses for me…we had smoggies , and bolton at home,….at least 4 points from that….we nearlylost to borough f*ck sake

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  • Dave Atkinson

    Feb 9, 2008 at 4:51 PM

    Comment #29

    I was there today (I live in Birmingham, in case you ask). Awful second half for sure but the first half was very good and we did a decent job of holding onto the ball. Once Vila equalised though and we had to up our game, the cracks began to show straight away. Butt, for all his pedigree, is past it at this level and is simply unable to provide any creative passing. Smith, full of tenacity maybe, doesn’t threaten as a striker and don’t deserve a place in the starting line-up on that basis alone. Carr worked pretty hard but is another one living on past reputation. Barton was mediocre but shouldn’t have been taken off.

    What beats me is that KK didn’t start with Emre and Barton in the middle. Emre might be considered wasteful by some but that’s because he plays the risky (but potentially match-winning) pass. He can’t possibly get it right all the time. And I was surprised that KK didn’t bring on a third sub even though we were chasing the game.

    KK will always have my support (even if we’re relegated as we’d come straight back up like a hurricane) but he must shake things up and that means no more picking players who are past their prime and who simply can’t perform at this level, however willing they might be. I’d prefere to see some youngsters in instead of Butt, Carr and Smith.

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  • GP

    Feb 9, 2008 at 4:52 PM

    Comment #30

    Rob: Are you suggesting Sir Bobby Robson is a no chancer?

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  • Black and White Blood

    Feb 9, 2008 at 4:52 PM

    Comment #31

    Michael – Bollocks, as usual you are talking shit! The man has been here 4 weeks. None of you can judge his performance until next season once he has been allowed to bring in his own players. Look at Curbs at West Ham last season – Fooking fed up with what appears to be you so called glory supporters… I’ll happily eat humble pie if I’m wrong, but for god sake give the man a chance and get behind your so called team, or do you suppoert Sunderland..?

    Do any of us know why KK does not select players, is it form skill or just dont try in training…None of us know. Yes I would have prefered different players, as would I would have been pleased to see new face in Jan, but we have to trust in KK and give him our support..

    Fook me, Ed was really enjoying using this forum, but my god I’m ashamed to call myself a Geordie, I can now see why our fans are getting such a hard time in the press!

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  • nufctj

    Feb 9, 2008 at 4:54 PM

    Comment #32

    john, yes I did, and it was poor

    but….the match against villa is over, we learn, we make changes, we go forward..and all this talk about whether KK is up to it, is just rubbish and a waste of time.

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  • Rob Kirton

    Feb 9, 2008 at 4:55 PM

    Comment #33

    John: I’d prefer we put out Henry up front and brought on Ronaldinho for a cameo second half performance. I think Keegan has to work with the squad he has. I think we all understand your frustrations and maybe he did make a bad call for a couple of positions. I suspect it wouldn’t have made a bit of difference.

    KK is not to blame for the cumulative mismanagement of the club by directors and managers (SBR excluded) in the 11 years he was away.

    It took a lot of time by a lot of people seriously crap at their job to get where we are at today.

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  • Black and White Blood

    Feb 9, 2008 at 4:57 PM

    Comment #34

    @John – This is big Sams team!!!

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  • Rob Kirton

    Feb 9, 2008 at 4:58 PM

    Comment #35

    GP: No it was just too difficult to list them all managers / coaches / directors. SBR was the exception. Rated him highly as Keegan, though I don’t think he had such a keen eye in the transfer market (either that or he was being nobbled by the fat controller)

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  • Hammy

    Feb 9, 2008 at 4:58 PM

    Comment #36

    I’m looking at the current situation and the one common denomanator which I see over the last few years is a certain Terry Mac………a tactical genius? all I see is him on the touchline with a giant golden marker pen and a notepad…is he playing noughts and crosses with the subs or something?

    Anyway nice to see the back of Nigel “BLUETOOTH” Pearson, now can we get some decent coaches please……..

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  • nufctj

    Feb 9, 2008 at 4:58 PM

    Comment #37

    Rob Kirton, spot on! We are at the beginning of a new era at the club, there will be bumps in the road, but we need to stick by our plan to turn things around.

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  • Michael

    Feb 9, 2008 at 4:58 PM

    Comment #38

    Look on the bright side, We have Keegan. You surround your self with crap, you get crap. Keegan is Crap. There are many managers we could have hired, anyone else other than Keegan. Why the go for English managers? They are crap!

    I knew this is what we were in for when we brought that Muppet back to Newcastle.

    Please guys, let us be pragmatic. We are a business and you never hire a manager who says he does not know how to do the core of his job (Tactics) Keegan said “I do not know tactics”

    Please let us be realistic, we live in a real world, not a fantasy world.

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  • GP

    Feb 9, 2008 at 5:00 PM

    Comment #39

    Yes I agree there Rob, Sir Bobby didn’t always bring in the best players.

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  • Dragoner

    Feb 9, 2008 at 5:00 PM

    Comment #40

    regardless of what you think of keegan, we could have gotten camacho or deschamps. These names will attract players, why was keegan picked? a man who hasn’t managed for ages. fans cheered when he came, i bet half of them are seriously doubting keegan now, and the other half will follow if this crap continues. Ashley got the manager who he would have to pay the least and gave no money for transfers. he is cheap.

    another thing, if buying no one in january was a “calculated gamble”, then why were we holding talks with teams for players? the whole thing was staged, we was never seriously going after these players, cheapy and mort were just trying to manipulate us, which would explain the odd alvaro situation and unrealistic barnes bid

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