Since Bobby Left, Newcastle Have Been a Disaster


Ever since Bobby Robson was sacked, for only getting us into 5th place in the Premier league in 2004, and failing to qualify for the European Champions League, Newcastle have completely lost their way, to say the least.

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The great Bobby Robson – one of Newcastle’s best ever managers

Just so we can explain just how great Bobby Robson’s tenure was at Newcastle, he took over from Ruud Gullit in early September, 2004 , after we had collected just two points from our first 7 games. In that season we ended up quite comfortable in the league with 52 points with the following record for that season:

Season 1999-2000  remiership:

Pos  Pld  W   D   L   F   A   Pts
11th  38 14  10  14  63   56   52

FA Cup: semi finals - beaten by Chelsea

League Cup: Round 3, UEFA Cup: Round 3

Top scorer: Shearer 30

Not too bad considering we had already lost about 19 points when Bobby took over. Robson has never really received the credit he deserved for his rescue act for Newcastle United that season, probably because he went on from there to have Newcastle in the top 5 for 3 seasons running, before being sacked by then Chairman Freddy Shepherd.

Bobby’s first home league game against fellow relegation strugglers Sheffield Wednesday in September, 2004 was memorable and got us an 8-0 win, we were 5-0 up at half time, and Shearer scored 5 goals. Another Premiership record for Shearer. Not too bad for our goal difference against Wednesday – a 16 goal turnaround. 😀

We didn’t do too well the next season when we had a lot of injuries, and one to Alan Shearer, in particular, of all people. But then in season 2001-2002 we were 4th, in 2002-2003 we finished 3rd, and then in 2003 -2004 we finished a disappointing 5th – and it wasn’t good enough so out went Robson, unceremoniously booted out of the club he loved so much.

Let’s just say in 3 of the next 4 seasons after Bobby left, we have recorded the 3 worst seasons ever in the Premiership, and only in 2006, when we finished in 7th place, have we accumulated more than 50 points, when we finished with 58 points taking 19 points from our last 7 games under Glenn Roeder.

This season we’ll be lucky to make 40 and if we cannot reach 43 points it will be out worst season ever in the Premiership. Oh how the mighty have fallen.

Season  Manager         Won Draw Lost GF  GA  GD Pts Pos

 1-2    Robson           21   8   9   74  52  22  71  4
 2-2    Robson           21   6  11   63  48  15  69  3
 3-4    Robson           13  17  18   52  40  12  56  5
 4-5    Souness          10  14  14   47  57 -10  44 14
 5-6    Souness/Roeder   17   7  14   47  42   5  58  7
 6-7    Roeder           11  10  17   38  47  -9  43 13
 7-8    Allardyce/Keegan  7   7  12   29  47 -18  28 13 *  

* after 26 games

For the third time in the last 4 seasons since Bobby left, we will finish in the bottom half of the table. Also notice in the last 4 years we’ve had 5 different managers – enough said.

Where do we go from here? Surely the only way out of this terrible mess is up – and we just have to believe Kevin Keegan can turn it around.

But not only have we lost significant ground on other teams since Bobby left, but we’ve seen West Ham, Blackburn, Everton, Portsmouth, Aston Villa, Manchester City and Tottenham Hotspur all get way ahead of us this season alone.

So we have lots of work to do to get back where we are under Sir Bobby Robson – that’s the huge challenge that’s ahead for Kevin Keegan at Newcastle. We shouldn’t under-estimate the task Keegan has taken on at the club.

Comments welcome.



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50 comments so far

  • roscoe

    Feb 13, 2008 at 1:13 PM

    Comment #1

    Best Team: PLEASE PLAY THEM AGAINST MANURE KEV!!!!

    Owen Martins
    Nzog Emre Geremi Milner
    Enrique Faye Tayls Beye
    Harper

    UP THE TOON!!!!

    PS. I don’t care who posts first! Please can we get over this childish game!

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  • roscoe

    Feb 13, 2008 at 1:15 PM

    Comment #2

    oh and ED he definitely didn’t take over in 2004 thats for sure!!!

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  • Chicken

    Feb 13, 2008 at 1:21 PM

    Comment #3

    Worse single thing that has ever happened at NUFC in my lifetime – getting rid of Robson. Dunno how that fat pig shephard sleeps at night.

    Roscoe – good team that. Mine is pretty similar – only change is Cacapa in for Taylor, but that’s a whole new kettle of fish.

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  • millepede

    Feb 13, 2008 at 1:23 PM

    Comment #4

    good call with geremi i say

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  • ObaFan2

    Feb 13, 2008 at 1:24 PM

    Comment #5

    After BSA’s comments recently and then we think of the great SBR. 😀

    The worst thing about Sir Bobby was we got him too late but he respected the clubs and the contracts he’d had.
    He is one of the last of “the old school” , unique imo and respected throughout the world. A great GREAT man and manager.

    KK will turn it around and wait with baited breath for the summer and some new faces.

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  • Punk Skunk

    Feb 13, 2008 at 1:31 PM

    Comment #6

    Respect to the legend that is Bobby Robson!..
    …Totally agree with obafan2, pity we got him so late in his career!..
    …..Harper
    Beye-Faye-Taylor-Enrique
    Milner-Emre-Zog-Duff
    Owen-Martins/Viduka

    …i guess KK may wanna try out Martins…
    …Howay the Lads!..

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  • Kash2

    Feb 13, 2008 at 1:32 PM

    Comment #7

    Definitely one of the best managers we had. He had a long term vision and his signings were indicative of that. If he had carried on, albeit in good health, then I think we would have been in the top 4 by now. What a waste!!!!!

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  • Punk Skunk

    Feb 13, 2008 at 1:33 PM

    Comment #8

    Here, here!..Kash2…Ya’ damn right!..

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  • nightfall

    Feb 13, 2008 at 1:35 PM

    Comment #9

    we’ll see if martins gets a chance this weekend… KK was praising emre last week and then didn’t start with him…so…

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  • daiv

    Feb 13, 2008 at 1:35 PM

    Comment #10

    Ed,
    Bobby was a great manager for NUFC and the way and timing of his sacking was a disgrace. However, he was getting too old and he should have been eased out at the end of the season. He could not control the yobs. The problem was not his removal, but the succession of idiots who replaced him

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  • benoz

    Feb 13, 2008 at 1:37 PM

    Comment #11

    quote from punk skunk:
    Beye-Faye-Taylor-Enrique
    Milner-Emre-Zog-Duff
    Owen-Martins/Viduka
    that is one very, very good line up, love to see it.

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  • Wilsiak

    Feb 13, 2008 at 1:39 PM

    Comment #12

    The fact that emre who in my opinion is our most creative and talented midfielder didn’t get on against villa til late on in the match is a joke. I would love to see bartons passing stats for the game cause he was completely ineffectual and had no idea where he was.

    Emre when he did come on immediatly looked like he wanted the ball and acted as a crucial link between shaky defense and a frustrated michael owen. I agree with roscoe in the sense that emre and milner must play together, but i absolutely hate enrique and would love if Zoggers would agree to play left back with duff in left mid. That would create a formidable attack down the left with the ability to put balls into 6 yard box for owen who does all his best work inside the box. When he had to come out of the box to look for ball on sat against villa he had no support and Alan smith is nothing more than a thug who has no idea where the goal is anymore.

    I think Martins is a waster of the ball and would love to have had him shipped out in january for Defoe but thats life. Viduka when motivated is a much smarter player who can actually play thru balls and can hold ball up as well. I think emre through the middle is essential as he has the much needed vision to ping passes to owens feets and slip the Fat Aussie now and again.

    Completely unsure of centre backs however??? All i know is that everytime taylor goes to ground too early and nearly f**ks everythin up he starts to smile which displeases me.

    What a gud rant.

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  • EL

    Feb 13, 2008 at 1:42 PM

    Comment #13

    OWEN/MARTINS
    DUFF MILNER
    ZOG EMRE
    BARTON
    ENRIQUE TAYLOR FAYE BEYE
    HARPER

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  • Punk Skunk

    Feb 13, 2008 at 1:43 PM

    Comment #14

    On Martins…KK’s just met him, so, i’m pretty sure he won’t wanna make him feel like SA did?..
    …& i reckon even manure won’t fancy his pace & shooting ability…He could help to keep to keep ’em on the back foot!..

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  • gloryhunter

    Feb 13, 2008 at 1:48 PM

    Comment #15

    In Bobby’s book, he said that:

    Shepherd wouldn’t give him details of players’ contracts and transfer negotiations.

    Shepherd and Douglarse Hall neglected the training ground (even Souness said this), youth development and talent scouts.

    Did that situation continue after Bobby said “farewell”?

    KK has to pick up this stuff where Bobby left it – but in the longer term.

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  • Kash2

    Feb 13, 2008 at 1:53 PM

    Comment #16

    @ Wilsiak – After reading your thesis, you said you hate Enrique and would rather play N’Zogbia at LB. Are you MAD? N’Zogbia is a liability at LB, HE CAN’T DEFEND, never mind trying to mark Ronaldo. Enrique is the only recognised LB, play him and see how he does!!!!!!

    And you would rather have Defoe than Martins, are you MAD again?????? Defoe is far worse than Martins and a total greedy player. At least martins works for the team, while Defoe expects the team to work for him. We got rid of playboys and we certainly don’t need another one!!!!!

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  • Wilsiak

    Feb 13, 2008 at 1:54 PM

    Comment #17

    Yeh martins reminds me of dijbrill cisse in a way. I think he has raw pace and ability to drill a left foot shot but he has not much else in my book. Sure his electric pace is will scare defenders but i dont feel him and owen complement each other. I would deffo like to see him at some stage at the weekend because everyone deserves a shot at the moment and hopefully he will prove me wrong! If i see him throw his arms up in the air like a child and not hassle defenders i will not be pleased.

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  • paul p

    Feb 13, 2008 at 1:56 PM

    Comment #18

    punk skunk – i go with you on that line up. infact not just for man u, for the rest of the season until we have accumalated the points we need, then we can make changes. You no what I would like to see, ad like to see milner playing whether he wants, like give him a free role like he does for the u21’s. problem there we would have is we have no one for the right side. although the 3 of them duff, nzogbia and milner could all swap around.

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  • Ian

    Feb 13, 2008 at 1:59 PM

    Comment #19

    Wilsiac Djibril Cisse is for sale in the Summer, Man City are after him, we should sign him, he is fast like Martins but bigger and stronger, an ideal player to partner Martins with.

    The other side would only see a black and white blurrr!!

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  • Wilsiak

    Feb 13, 2008 at 2:00 PM

    Comment #20

    Martins works for the team………….. r u havin a laugh… Defoe is an ambitiuos and young and i imagine he will bag countless goals at pompey and yes i would much rather have a goalscorer then an olympic sprinter!

    Enrique “the bull” should be playing for the newcastle falcons instead as he has little to no touch or vision and has the uncanny ability to ruin any offside trap we play. Ronaldo will absolutely ruin him at the weekend as maloney and young would have done at Villa. Zoggers in left back would have more pace to cover ronaldo and has the necessary footwork not to land on his ass when ronaldo pulls a stepover! Plus ronaldo not trackin back equals massive counterattack with duff and zoggers. If you play enrique no point in playin duff as will be isolated u may aswell play nicky butt there!

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  • Ian

    Feb 13, 2008 at 2:03 PM

    Comment #21

    I remember other Newcastle fans saying he didnt have control of the dressing room!!!!!!

    Stuff the dressing room control of the table is what we want.

    Bobby is like Kevin Keegan brilliant blokes and brilliant managers, all they deserve off anyone is respect.

    The next great move was getting rid of our top scorer Bellamy!! Only at Newcastle!!

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  • Kash2

    Feb 13, 2008 at 2:04 PM

    Comment #22

    I guess you were leaving to beat the traffic at the point where N’Zogbia decided he was a CM and Striker in the Arsenal gameand started pressing the ball regardless of position, and then Duff had to fill in at LB??????

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  • Punk Skunk

    Feb 13, 2008 at 2:28 PM

    Comment #23

    PaulP/benoz, yes , i’d go with that team from now on!..I feel it would offer more up front (we ain’t scoring enough)…& i reckon Faye at the back would pull the defense together better…Zog & Emre in the middle is sooooooooooo much more creative…Surely!..

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  • Wilsiak

    Feb 13, 2008 at 2:30 PM

    Comment #24

    Well im not the coach and cant bark orders at him and i am also not the captain who should have been able to sort that one out also so it is out of my hands.

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  • stjames

    Feb 13, 2008 at 2:30 PM

    Comment #25

    Ed: I see some of your pupils are not interested in history at all. Well, – I am.

    Bobby was a great manager but never had full backing from Freddy and co. From the first day he was mistrusted as was clear by the contract he got. The contract was always only for one year at a time. We never will know what could have been if the club had backed him 100%.

    Another manager that in my book is hugely underestimated is Roeder. In his first half season in 2006 he was barely shy of miraculous. Some credit goes allegedly to Shearer. I have no idea how much.

    But next season, his only full season, was not much worse. From the start Freddy was against him and was reluctant to make him manager. He didn’t get any money to strengthen the squad and had to deal with catastrophic injuries. At times our starting team consisted of 4-5 reserve players and the bench was filled with babies.

    I think Freddy has been our worst enemy since Keegan’s first term realy. Now it’s time to look forward. 🙂

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  • CRAIGG

    Feb 13, 2008 at 2:48 PM

    Comment #26

    ST James i totally agree about Glenn Roeder he was a fantastic servant to our club ten years as a player helping us to promotion, Did a great job at the academy with a lot of our youngsters Taylor, Krul, Edgar, Ramage etc. and then as manager got us back into europe and won the intertoto he also walked away last season instead of going the souness and big sam route of ripping off the club and taking a huge pay off Glenn is a really top Bloke

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  • Elliott

    Feb 13, 2008 at 2:49 PM

    Comment #27

    We should have invested after finishing 3rd. The only signing we made, Bowyer, had a negative impact on the team.

    We overtook Liverpool and just stood still. What did we expect would happen?

    Look what happened to Liverpool and us afterwards, it makes you sick.

    If only eh……….

    Still the seasons under Bobby were exciting, we played some great stuff, had some thrilling games in the CL and looked like challenging for the league.

    Great memories.

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  • Wilsiak

    Feb 13, 2008 at 2:52 PM

    Comment #28

    Distant memories…

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  • valle

    Feb 13, 2008 at 2:56 PM

    Comment #29

    harper
    Beye…Cacapa…Taylor…Enrique
    Milner..Emre…Faye…Duff
    Dukes…Owen

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  • Sweardoon

    Feb 13, 2008 at 3:04 PM

    Comment #30

    SBR had lost control of the Brat Pack that was to begin the destructive period to come, plus his own health problems made it impossible for him to continue. What should’ve occurred is his being moved into a Director of Football or similar position (all show, but he certainly deserved not to be dismissed in the fashion he was). Whether he would have accepted it or not is debatable, but the offer should’ve been made. Which it was not. From then on the problems can be attributed to, almost solely, one man. Fat Fred Shepherd/Byker’s ‘Hardest’ Man/Greggs Best Customer. I keep posting here just to see what bollocks you’ll come up with next and you never ever disappoint.

    Whatever happens this year, be it relegation, change of owner, manager, etc, it doesn’t matter. There will always be Newcastle fans and therefore we’ll always have a team. Even if it is a splintered off FC United deal. The bottom line is, anyone who does not want in can f*ck off: N’Zogbia, Pearson (miserable git), glory seeking fans, whomever. Newcastle will outlive all of our lifespans, world events permitting, and nowt any hack journalist, money grubbing ‘starlet’ or glorified blogger will change that.

    Here’s to the motto:

    Fortify, Defend and Triumph. The rest is irrelevant.

    P.S. Let’s not forget Cordone, Fumaka, et al. Not everything Robson did was out of this world.

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  • paul p

    Feb 13, 2008 at 3:15 PM

    Comment #31

    i have to agree. if we had bought after that season when we finished 3rd, am sure with the players who we could have possibly signed at start of the 03-04 season, the youth players we may have brought in am sure we would still be in the top 5 at least like. Bobby was the best manager since KK, now KK is back. History is repeating itself again. We are going to stay up by the skin of our teeth this season and then take off just like the last time. . Its there for everyone to see aint it to be fair. talk about players not wanting to come to our club just because we are not in europe next season is just non sense. After all, we are newcastle united. One of the biggest clubs in europe although on the field we have not shown it recently. 3rd biggest crowd in the premiership, 5th biggest team in the premiership since it began. if you look at our record of finishes in the league its better than everyone apart from man u, arsenal, liverpool. chelsea are just above us. I saw this the other week and I could not believe it after the poor season’s we had last year and this year. So we are a big club everyone, which means we will get the players in no doubt. lets get the job in hand which is get the points required, then we will just sit back and watch it go.

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  • nitro

    Feb 13, 2008 at 3:18 PM

    Comment #32

    anyone remember this team?
    —-given—-
    –hughes/griffin—o’brien—-woodgate—-bernard/hughes
    –solano—speed—-dyer—-robert—
    —-bellamy————-shearer(c)—–

    those were the days..

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  • Mr T

    Feb 13, 2008 at 4:05 PM

    Comment #33

    Two managers who deserved to be treated a lot better by us were Robson and Roeder. Both did positive for the club, Roeder on many levels and really is a good man many people say, glad he got a job at Norwich, and glad he’s doing the business with Clarkie and Pattison.

    I have some faith in Keegan, but lets be honest, it’s the transfer window that’s done us over…. well that and Allardyce. Robson was a truly inspirational man though, I think he should be brought in as Keegans #2 if he’d ever come back?!?! That is a bit of a dream team mind…….

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  • Rich

    Feb 13, 2008 at 4:43 PM

    Comment #34

    Nitro i remember it all to well, Solano was immense !

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  • Callum

    Feb 13, 2008 at 4:48 PM

    Comment #35

    I would say sacking Robson was Sheppherds worst ever decision but then he better’d that by hiring Souness 🙂

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  • CRAIGG

    Feb 13, 2008 at 4:50 PM

    Comment #36

    I was disgusted when walking away from SJP after our last home match of last season against blackburn when a hundred or so idiots were singing taxi for Roeder despite the fact that we had at one point 14 players out injured no wonder the cockney press crucify us.
    I was aways happier with someone like Glenn a great servant to our club over numerous years than a twat like allardyce who made loads of snide comments about us while he was at bolton. I am so happy Glenns doing well at Norwich while fat man twiddles his thumbs waiting for a “club that lives up to his ambitions” WHAT A C**T!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • nightfall

    Feb 13, 2008 at 5:02 PM

    Comment #37

    Wilsiak – interesting nickname…borrowed it from south park? episode “free willzyx”? 😀

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  • chuck

    Feb 13, 2008 at 5:06 PM

    Comment #38

    How about this line up for Sat.
    Simpson
    Harvey McMichael
    Scoular Brennan Crowe
    Walker Robledo Millburn Hannah Mitchel

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  • Leo*

    Feb 13, 2008 at 5:11 PM

    Comment #39

    upsets me to think what the club did to our living legend bobby. he is a great man and was a great manager.

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  • stjames

    Feb 13, 2008 at 5:32 PM

    Comment #40

    CRAIGG # 26 and Mr T #35.

    Glad to see that I’m not the only one that feels Roeder was treated badly. He didn’t deserve that. On the contrary. I also think maybe his personal low profile style didn’t hit it with some Toons.

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