If Keegan Replaced, Newcastle Will Look Idiots – Again

The Daily Mail is reporting today that Kevin Keegan has two more games to get results or he will be shunted upstairs.


Kevin Keegan – are Newcastle ready to ditch him – say it’s not true!

Most fans are asking if this true, which is hardly surprising. We have no idea if it’s true, but let’s take a look at the terrible situation we are in and how the Newcastle hierarchy may be thinking.

Well, we think if we do lose the next 2 games at Birmingham and Fulham, who are 2 teams currently beneath us in the league, big red flags will be waving, warning bells will be going off, and “action stations” “action stations” will be sounding off just like before a submarine dives.

That will be heard all over St. James’ Park, make no mistake about that.

They warning bells went off on this site for us after the 3rd goal went in on Saturday against the Reds, when we realized the players we have may just not be up to it. Not only in skill but their level of commitment in the second half – we would give them 2 out of 10. We’ve blasted them all week – but that’s in the hopes it will stir them up from their comatose state of detachment.

We put responsibility on our players about 90%, for what’s happened this season. Big Sam was OK and we personally thought he was good, and he certainly was a character, but he didn’t win enough games, it’s as simple as that. And Sam would never have played the type of football Mike Ashley wanted.

So Chris Mort and Mike took a calculated risk. They had two options in early January:

  1. Stay with Allardyce through the end of the season and then bring in someone new. But that would mean next season would be transitional yet again with no success anywhere on the horizon
  2. Bring in a new manager, who could revive the fortunes of the team. Since the Newcastle squad is good it would need to be something with excellent motivation skills and experience like Harry Redknapp or Kevin.

They went with the latter but what has happened is the results, if anything have become worse.  What odds would you have got for that when Keegan took over?

The type of play has improved like against Blackburn, but very few times have the lads performed any better than under Big Sam.

We still the Arsenal display at home was the best of the season and we think Sam told the players he would kill them if they didn’t give their absolute all for the full game. We always thought that was a good strategy with players of faint heart.   😀

The lads played that night like their lives depended on it – and it was wonderful to watch the commitment. In fact we’ll take a 5 minute break so we can go over that game in our heads to cheer us up – it was so good.

OK, back again.

But it may be that with Keegan having been out of the game for almost 4 years he was rusty, and by his own admission hadn’t watched any football live in that time. He said as much to Alan Shearer, when he had the 4 hour meeting with him shortly after being appointed.

We’d like Kevin to stay in the job, because if we do survive we’re sure he can pout things right. Even the players Kevin’s looking at seem to be exactly what we need.

But it’s looking like the Newcastle hierarchy will do anything and everything to keep Newcastle afloat this season. Mort will deny this, maybe even today, but he’s lost his credibility in situations like this, because Mort denied right up until the end he would sack Big Sam but it came quick and fast.

In fact, it may be worse if he does deny it. But let’s not criticize the upper brass too much, they are in a terrible situation on the playing side, with our first team.

No, we’d like to see Keegan stay and Alan Shearer come on board, and if we were in Mort’s very difficult position we’d probably try to get Shearer or Venables in to see how he can help our Kevin. Terry Venables helped out Brian Robson and Middlesbrough a few seasons back, but that would be a huge hit to Kevin’s ego, and he would probably never agree to it.

But Newcastle have to be very careful because all this could be a public nightmare and disaster for the club, and Keegan could even walk out, if he gets wind of anything like that goin on upstairs. Yes, we know people are saying – so what’s new?

If Keegan is replaced we’ll look complete idiots ……… again. That’s a fact.

And the brutal truth is that we will probably deserve it – but we’ll all have to stick together and make this club great again – that’s the vision – and that’s our hope.

Hey, two wins in the next two games will see us in great spirits. We’ve got to keep believing.

Comments welcome.

54 comments so far

  • big pea ov the weab

    Mar 14, 2008 at 10:20 AM

    Comment #1


  • big pea ov the weab

    Mar 14, 2008 at 10:23 AM

    Comment #2


  • Eric

    Mar 14, 2008 at 10:24 AM

    Comment #3

    Why have the Daily Mail got it in for us? You cannot believe a word they say. KK is not going to be booted upstairs. He just keeps the faith with the has-beens. We have got a manager and back-up staff who will bring us good – providing he wakes up and realises that to stay up we must drop Barton, Butt, Smith and bring in some real gutsy players and who want to honour the stripes and the fans. So much shite. The smell in the London press offices must be awful.


    Mar 14, 2008 at 10:25 AM

    Comment #4

    They cant sack him,he will turn good when he signs his old players.This is a wake up call to drop certain players ie butt and smith.The press are gonna destroy u again and the players need to stay focused.martins to start the only man i think can save our season.

  • big pea ov the weab

    Mar 14, 2008 at 10:25 AM

    Comment #5


  • Macas

    Mar 14, 2008 at 10:35 AM

    Comment #6

    It was obvious to anyone with half a brain that the results we got up until now under Keegan were going to be poor. Nothing unexpected at all, we were just simply playing far harder games than under Allardyce! Remember Liverpool at home – we got stuffed 3-0. Allardyce would have fared no better, but at least we will try and play football now against lesser teams. It’s just unfortunate we had so many players missing against Bolton and that decisons from the officials cost us 3 points against Boro. The season starts now and let’s hope we can get the results we need.

  • HeronMag

    Mar 14, 2008 at 10:35 AM

    Comment #7

    If this is true (and I don’t reckon it is) this would be a PR disaster for Ashley and Mort.

    They are more shrewd than that.

    Not happening!

  • Neil Snowdon

    Mar 14, 2008 at 10:38 AM

    Comment #8

    Please hold your nerve, Ed! This is another story, penned to stir us up.

    On the playing front, Kevin will need to take risks because the present lot are not performing. Edgar at the back perhaps, N’Zogbia in central midfield, Martins/Carroll upfront.

    This may not happen against Brum, but if we lose there, he will need to be flexible.



  • mitch from holland

    Mar 14, 2008 at 10:40 AM

    Comment #9

    The time for slagging off is over. We all need to get behind the team and think positive. Looking at the other teams and the run ins they have we can avoid relagation with 3 wins . Lets think positive and about next season when we start with a clean sheet , new players and our premier league status intact.

  • canmag

    Mar 14, 2008 at 10:45 AM

    Comment #10

    would be no better with BSA in charge .

  • Nobby's dad

    Mar 14, 2008 at 10:51 AM

    Comment #11

    Someone with the knowledge of the modern game?? Have you ever heard such sh*t!!!

    Football has NEVER changed in principle in 100+ years – put the ball in the net, stop the opposition scoring and you win. Has there been some new radical advance that I’ve missed?? Is the present day free flowing Man Utd side’s football (as an example) so much different to that played by Best/ Law and Charlton in the late 60’s? NO!!

    Our present problems are all about the team Keegan inherited – a team assembled by Allardyce who’s footballing philosopy is poles apart from Keegans. He having to work with players he wouldn’t have signed and probably doesn’t want. Anyone with half a brain could see at the start of this season we had NO pace, No creativity – the sort of team Keegan would NEVER build.

    I’m sick and tired of idiots on here and in the media giving Keegan no respect like the bloke is some piece of nothing who doesn’t know what he’s doing. Yes your entitled to your opinion big pea….but you know what IT STINKS!!


    Mar 14, 2008 at 10:53 AM

    Comment #12

    Are you fn Kidin?? We just brought him back in!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you sack another manager withgout BACKING him then you (MR ASHLEY) should sell up and go yourself…WAKE UP AND SMELL THE FRIGGIN COFFEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Punk Skunk

    Mar 14, 2008 at 10:56 AM

    Comment #13

    Well up until now the games with KK in charge have been pretty tough…All we can hope is that now we’re gonna be playing teams lower down, any effort put in against the better clubs will show up against the lower ones…eg…the game v blackburn, we played well, if we’d been playing a lesser team we defo woulda won…Y’get me?..I’m sure there was a more concise way of putting it!..
    …Ho’way the Lads!..

  • Punk Skunk

    Mar 14, 2008 at 11:00 AM

    Comment #14

    The media SUCKS, ignore them!..Especially tory, right wing trash like the mail, waste of trees!..
    …But, y’never know, it may backfire on them & roust our team up, stranger things have happened!..

  • tdt

    Mar 14, 2008 at 11:00 AM

    Comment #15

    media crap trying to provoke a story, you hear these bloody fairy tales everyday from this stupid newpaper. we’ll stay up this season, the media would hate that of course, then it will be them who look like tits. as long as we will are 3 games with the fellow strugler then we’ll be sound. we need everyone to SUPPORT KING KEV!!

  • John

    Mar 14, 2008 at 11:02 AM

    Comment #16

    Ed i don’t even know why you gave this article some attention..Just tabloid rubish as usual.

    Its a ridulous article…

    All Hail king kev

  • Doctapaul

    Mar 14, 2008 at 11:02 AM

    Comment #17

    I agree with the headline. Especially the word “If”.

    Newcastle have been beaten by Wigan, Derby, Reading away this season. We scraped a draw at Sunderland. Scraped an injury time victory at Fulham. Took advantage of Bolton who were very slow off the blocks during the first 45 mins of season. We got stuffed by ManU (6 goals in 45 mins), Liverpool at home where we didn’t even earn a corner (unbelievable) never have a shot on goal.


    Since – we’ve been stuffed away by Arsenal, Liverpool and Aston Villa (45 mins) and at home by ManU. We couldn’t in all reality have expected anything different could we.

    So we’ve changed managers numerous times. We’ve changed owners. And neither tactic has worked – yet. BUT it has been only a few games and whether we go down or not I’m for keeping KK and backing him to the hilt next season.

    We can choose to run and support Newcastle as we see fit rather than meeting the expectations of newspapers who have only one purpose – to raise emotions that sell papers. I personally put content of the Daily Mail at around the same level of interest as I put Heat magazine – not a lot. The tabloids are by and large no better.

    So let em rant and rave and pi$$ on the NUFC tent from outside.

    Let us get our act together, stick by messrs Ashley and Keegan, and the give the lads our vocal support.

  • ToonRich

    Mar 14, 2008 at 11:04 AM

    Comment #18

    Macas, WTF…what kind of support would expect the results we’ve had under a new manager!!! Dont spout rubbish about hard fixtures, what happened to the team that got such a good draw against arsenal earlier in the season or even 2-1@chelski wasnt that bad!- its the same bloody team. I’m not blaming KK, but his team selections are shocking. I wonder if Wisey would have the balls to drop the dead wood and pick some youngsters?…


  • greek toon

    Mar 14, 2008 at 11:08 AM

    Comment #19

    Spot on Nobby’s dad! The way some of the (young) guys talk on here you would think football was just invented.

  • Daniel

    Mar 14, 2008 at 11:08 AM

    Comment #20

    Hi Guys

    I’m a Liverpool supporter and have got a soft spot for Newcastle and would like them to stay up but there are 2 distinct points I would like to make with regards to Newcastle’s plight at the moment.

    1) If you look at 1996 compared to now, Newcastle were able to spend in the regions of 20-30 Million + per season which was unheard of at the time to buy players. Now around 10 clubs can spend that or even more in a season and strengthen and get better players. So Keegan is on a level playing field now than he was back then when only Man Utd were able to spend that amount .

    2) Looking at the current team , I dont think they are good enough and to be critical I would say around 80% are mercenaries at best and I’ll explain each player.

    Michael Owen – On 104K per week and speaking about England all the time as he did at Liverpool and that is the only reason he came to Newcastle to play for England when Newcastle bid way over the top for an injury prone Striker.

    Alan Smith- Hasn’t scored in over 40 games for Newcastle and couldnt hack it at Man Utd.Even though he played well for Leeds, the same about Kewell is when he moved clubs he became ineffective and is basically on a huge salary.

    Damien Duff- Although getting a cut price from Chelsea he has not done anything spectacular at Newcastle and earning a huge salary like Smith.

    Joey Barton – To replace Steve Parker with him was a huge mistake.He is nothing more than a thug that causes trouble and doesnt put the team ahead of his own selfishness. He is a negative influence and biding his time for another move where he can cause trouble elsewhere.

    The rest of the defence as always has been the downfall of Newcastle for more than 15 years since they been in the premiership.Huge salaries, huge egos and lack of pace has been the achillies heal.

    Newcastle hire and fire managers and is funny to a lot of people. The key should be to build every season on positives from each campaign and thus attract better players who want to play for the club and not there to take a paycheck at the end of the day.

    Stability and sticking with the manager who ever he is or will be in the future is the right solution to take.

  • Michael

    Mar 14, 2008 at 11:10 AM

    Comment #21

    Agreed, Keegan coming back seemed a political move rather than a move to improve results. Rumors that Ashley wanted to sell the club may have been true but under Sam fans hurled abuses at Sam, they wanted him out and attendances dropped. No doubt this would not seem a good proposition for any potential buyer given the above.

    So to place a facade on what was a disintegrating club they hired Keegan throwing the masses into a frenzy and melee to get tickets not to a game, but to see Keegan in the stadium. Full house one may be led to believe, I do not know I was not there, but as you would imagine, instant remedy to Ashley’s problem. Now he could offload us to a buyer who did not read too deep.

    Lamentably Keegan proved he does not have it and the gloss over which was placed on the cracks in turn cracked and now we are in a mess.

    I do not wish to provoke anyone with my comments and my rallying cry still echoes.

    Let us be, so other teams and fans of those other teams may hail us, the greatest and most loyal fans not through words, but in actions.

    Let us use our voices in unison to rouse our sleeping giants, that we may avoid the descent into mire that is the championship.

    Starting this Monday night, let us be responsible for our destiny. You, me and everyone. I urge you.

  • hanzemre

    Mar 14, 2008 at 11:12 AM

    Comment #22

    i just hope KK not starting with Butt & Smith or even Barton if they’re still fainthearted/ as bad as they were most of the season, on this coming matchday against the Brum. Got to put the more gutsy lads in that centre field to dominate it with brilliant moves & ball passings to forwards & both flanks & be more ruthless in breaking the opponents’ moves & we’d win the game. Pray it happens soon.Even a draw’d be nice/welcome.

  • JW

    Mar 14, 2008 at 11:23 AM

    Comment #23

    I agree 100% with John and DoctaPaul; Keegan is blameless for our currant predicament; I don’t believe he is under any pressure of the sack; The Mail’s story is nothing but rubbish fed to them by our illustrious and beloved ex-chairman, Fat Freddie and not worth getting het up over.

    As for starting with our reserve team players, are you kidding me? Entrust our Premiership survival to young players totally untried in the league? No chance. Complain about Butt, Smith and Barton all you like but, until we can buy more players, they’re all we’ve got.

  • iain

    Mar 14, 2008 at 11:33 AM

    Comment #24

    i might be worried if this was in any other paper, but the mail does have it in for us. its not even in the sun ffs and they love a good sensationalist headline.

    remember this is the paper (the mail) that ran an exclusive claiming nufc had been sold when it hadnt. they then had no idea or story when ashley actually bought the club months later.

    bob cass who writes for the mail has been desribed by other journalists on skys sunday supplement as a good personal friend of freddy shepard.

    it doesnt take a genius to guess where the mail gets its crap nufc stories from.

  • toonhitman

    Mar 14, 2008 at 11:36 AM

    Comment #25

    if its true and keegan gets the boot we should go for van gaal we should have tried to get him when sir bobby got sacked,the prem has moved on since keegan was last manager maybe hes out of his depth i dont know but things havnt changed since he come in,but managers need time and you dont get time in the prem unless your winning and keegan isnt

  • Dave Atkinson

    Mar 14, 2008 at 11:42 AM

    Comment #26

    Daniel’s dispassionate opinions are on the money.

    Honestly, I really do think the solution is very simple.

    If I was an opposing manager I’d be thinking….Owen (slow)…stand-off him and he won’t get past….Butt (slow)….pass it around him…if you’re on the ball, release it quickly ‘cos he won’t be quick enough to put in a tackle….Smith (slow)….ignore him/provoke him into a yellow card, etc…he’s unlikely to score anyway, etc, etc….

    We’ve become too predictable and that includes the team selections. Isn’t it only a fortnight ago that Steve Coppell said he was going to make around five changes to the first team? Guess what, he’s started to get results again!

    I’d luv it, luv it if he dropped the players mentioned above and picked Martins and Carroll/Duke and put Charlie in the middle instead of Butt.

    Come on Kevin!

  • Davies

    Mar 14, 2008 at 11:46 AM

    Comment #27

    We’re in the shit boys. Unfortunately, all any of us can do is cross out fingers and hope for a better 08/09 season.

    It’s not in our hands unfortunately.

  • C

    Mar 14, 2008 at 11:46 AM

    Comment #28

    Terry Venables how can you even mention him. He´s an old relic of the past. Football has changed. You can´t compare british football 20 years ago with todays football. There is a reason why the top managers of this league are foreigners and why England has a foreign manager. The reason is that there aren´t any real good english managers today. The most of them still think football is about kicking long ball and to knock the teath out of their opponents. They praise heart more than skill and they still belive as long as you give a 110 procent in every match you can win everything. This type of managers can do wonders in the first division where football are still being played like it was during the eighties. But not in the premier league. Here you need to have flair, tactical knowledge etc. And when you combine the old english thinking no guts no glory and the new modern thinking. You have the best league in the world.
    The reason why King Kev was so succesfull the first time was that he took the other british teams with a storm they didn´t know what hit them. He kept the ball on the ground and loved skillfull players who could create time for themselves and create goals. As well as we had players like david batty who just ran around knocking teath out. Combine the two and you create magic. Attack is the best defence etc. we all know this and why I am saying all this is that KK isn´t the ordinary type of british manager like Souness, Strachan or Venables (who all would prefer 11 david battys in the line up) that is the reason why he can be succesfull today and the three mentioned above can´t.

  • GP

    Mar 14, 2008 at 11:52 AM

    Comment #29

    Daniel – Sadly what you have said is all true. Michael Owen, despite being a brilliant goalscorer, would have never even considered playing for a team outside the Big Four if his England place wasn’t in danger. It was a bad move for both the club and the player.

  • Chicken

    Mar 14, 2008 at 12:08 PM

    Comment #30

    I really fear for us now. I think we are really going to struggle against Birmingham and Fulham – two teams that are fighting for their lives, like us, but unlike us they know what it’s all about.

    KK has failed to motivate the players for any of the games he’s been in charge of so far, bar the one “performance” against Blackburn. Quite how anything is going to be any different against those two I don’t know, especially since he has already come out and said that he intends on keeping the faith with the usual suspects.

    We are fooked. Getting rid of KK now won’t change that. I know I won’t be popular saying this, but I didn’t think Kev was the right appointment at the time, and I honestly feel that, regardless of whether we stay up or not, Kev HAS to be replaced by someone who really knows what they are doing (in my dreams, Mourinho).

  • toonhitman

    Mar 14, 2008 at 12:12 PM

    Comment #31

    if we get nothing from the next 2 games and the tatics are wrong and the wrong players are played (smith,butt,barton) keegan should go this will show he hasnt a clue..

  • Sydney Toon

    Mar 14, 2008 at 12:12 PM

    Comment #32

    What is worse – looking like idiots…or being relegated.

    Obviously worst is both, but I don’t want to think about that!

  • GP

    Mar 14, 2008 at 12:14 PM

    Comment #33

    In your dreams is right, he won’t join any team that isn’t regularly in the Champions League. He’s been linked with Barcelona, Real Madrid, Milan and Inter. I wouldn’t really like to see him at Barcelona or Milan, he’d only stifle the genius of players like Kaka and Messi.

  • Sav

    Mar 14, 2008 at 12:16 PM

    Comment #34

    Number of comments you’ve received shows how strongly the Newcastle fan feels about this. I know you have to report it, but the first thing is – is this suggestion true?
    A. Unthinkable that Ashley would share plans with Matt Lawton.
    Even imagining for a moment it was true, we would be a laughing-stock and who better would we bring in now that we could not get in Jan?

    No, it is time to put our wagons in a circle. Keegan stays even if we go down. It is time the players started to show loyalty and a ‘fight to the last man’ attitude and that should begin in the stands with the fans and be echoed in the boardroom. To adopt any other approach now would be counter-productive.
    We are in thew fix we are in because of poor quality and a lack of stability. Neither will be remedied by sacking the manager.
    Keegan Stays!

  • Macas

    Mar 14, 2008 at 12:22 PM

    Comment #35

    ToonRich – like I said, anyone with half a brain. You obviously forgot about all the games where we were dreadful against decidedly substandard opposition, or the demolition at home by Liverpool and Portsmouth. Maybe one or two different selections might have slightly helped, but at the end of the day Keegan is stuck with far too many deadwoo0d players that he has to persevere with. You can’t just chuck in untried 17 year olds and expect them to be able to cope. We were unlucky against Boro and played Blackburn off the park, so let’s hope we get a result on Monday, but then again the Toon have always been awful away from home.

  • Stami

    Mar 14, 2008 at 12:29 PM

    Comment #36

    please play CARROLL!!!

  • Stami

    Mar 14, 2008 at 12:33 PM

    Comment #37

    i agree with Sav. Kev MUST stay Premiership or Championship! Stability is key. how long has it been since we had a manager at the club for 2 full seasons…hmm!!!

  • ende

    Mar 14, 2008 at 12:50 PM

    Comment #38


    No lad, nothing like that, just please turn off the caps. You’re making my eyes bleed.

  • ToonRich

    Mar 14, 2008 at 1:07 PM

    Comment #39

    Macas, I’d like to think you weren’t aiming the “half a brain” comment at me. I was looking over our results as I wrote my first msg. What annoys me is that we want to be a top 4-6 side, yet we make excuses when beaten by the harder teams in the league.

    Why should the youngsters be overlooked for these highly paid wasters KK is selecting week in week out? I for one believe everyone should be given the chance to GAIN experience, EPL experience isn’t needed to fight relegation, its grit and determination, which alot of our 1st teamers are lacking! Come on, many of the reserves are already playing international level, surely that gives them the game experience required…
    I dont want KK out, i’d just like a different team selected to the one he fields!!


    Mar 14, 2008 at 1:10 PM

    Comment #40

    To be fair to Kev i dont think his team selection are far away from what we want.
    Smith kept his place due to injuries to Oba and Viduka and Butt kept his Due to injuries to Barton and Emre.

    Sams favoured 11 with fully fit squad:

    Beye Rozenhal Faye N’Zogbia
    Smith Geremi Butt
    Martins Milner

    5 outfield players in their best position.

    Kevs favoured 11 with fully fit squad:

    Beye Taylor Faye Enrique
    Milner Barton Emre N’Zogbia
    Owen Viduka

    That would have been my first choice 11 at the end of the transfer window, Every one in the right position, Taylor may be rested when Diatta is match fit.

    Even if we go down Kevin Keegan must remain as manager his record in the transfer market is fabulous, His record in the lower leagues is second to none, 2 Div 1 titles with Newcastle and Man City and 1 Div 2 with Fulham in 3 full seasons in the lower leagues.
    His record in the premiership for us and Man City is terrific despite his last season at City where they fell from 9th to 16th, You wont mind many City fans who dont apprecite what a fine job he did there.

    He had 8 years living in Spain when he retired from playing, so dont give me this out of touch with modern football crap.

    We will stay up and even if we lose at brum we will get more points out of our home games than some of the clubs around us Bolton especially and also the mackems.

    It might be a scrap but it was in 91-92 and We havent looked back since, We will stay up and KK will work his magic next season.

    I dont know why we are debating this again because anyone who expected us to get anything from Man Utd at home, Arsenal (Twice), Aston Villa and Liverpool away are more deluded than me.

    We were robbed against Boro and Blackburn, The Bolton match was a joke as they never got over their 18 yard line and we had a side playing Carr at right back, Rozehnal in the centre of midfield and Ameobi up front, And these were our Subs: Harper, Edgar, Troisi, Lua Lua, Carroll.

    Well get something out of the next two games hopefully 6 points that ill shut up the mail, sun, mirror or star who for some reason bemoan non stop the fact that Leeds and Forest get better attendances than about 5 teams who are in the premiership, Yet seem so eager to see the back of us.


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