Why Newcastle Is “A Really Big Club”


We are often referred to by our players and others as a big football club, but we get lots of fans from other clubs asking (usually not very nicely) why Newcastle fans think their club is big.

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Just one reason Newcastle United is a big club

Here’s some ammunition to use in the argument, as we continually get blasted by the media, who would be so happy if the club were relegated this season.

  • Newcastle are the14the richest club in the world based on revenues each season.
    The club have slipped just one place in the last two years even though recently we have had little success – make that no success
  • Newcastle get 50,000 home gates every home game, even though we keep losing.
    Tell me another club who gets that type of loyal support, based on their performances. Don’t give me Arsenal, Chelsea, Manchester United or Liverpool – they cheat by winning their games most of the time and actually winning trophies – so we obviously have to rule those teams out. 😀 Also most of their fans aren’t real fans at all, because it’s “in” to support a winning side.
    But we know those 4 teams have fans dyed in the wool too, and that comment is not meant to be a slight against them, not in the least.
    But because we don’t win we have few fans like that so our fan support is loyal, or stupid, whichever way you want to look at it.
    We remember a season or two ago when Chelsea’s form dropped and their gates dropped accordingly. We think they drew a couple of games and their gates went down by 5,00 or more. The top 4 have to keep winning to keep their gates high .
    Not Newcastle – we have big gates and keep losing. Even this season when players don’t seem to care too much about anything, certainly not about guts and spirit and earning their wages, the support is still there. Oh, and we haven’t won a trophy for 40 years, I knew there was something we had missed.
  • We have a wonderful stadium right in the center of the City and great facilities overall.
    Not only the stadium but our other facilities are top class. Also, the club is now being run extremely well financially by Chris Mort. Mike Ashley has paid off our £80M debt that Shepherd racked up during his 10 year vacation at Newcastle, so financially right now we’re in the best position we’ve been in a long long time.
    We also like the way Chris is getting the club more involved with local charities, which is really great for the club and also for the region. But this season must also be causing Mort and Ashley sleepless nights – if we stay up you can almost guarantee when we do that Ashley will be out clubbing and buying anyone he sees drinks, because he will have avoided the ultimate disaster – the club slipping into the Championship. Wouldn’t it be good if you were lucky to be there at that specific club when we officially avoid relegation. If you are there get Ashley to commit to 5 world class players in the summer – no make that 6 – thanks 😀
  • Newcastle Upon Tyne is a football city through and through.
    Londoners wouldn’t even know what that means. But the only thing that really matters in the City is football and there are probably more black and white striped shirts to see in the city center, than you’ll find anywhere else. If we were to rate towns on how much football is important to them Newcastle would be top, Sunderland would be up there near the top, and London would be bottom of the league, even though they are spoiled for choice with so many good teams.
  • Newcastle United has a fabulous history
    The club has a wonderful history with some great achievements in the past to talk about, None in modern time we know.
    Winning the FA Cup 3 time in 5 years when we smashed Blackpool (2-0), Arsenal (1-0) and Manchester City (3-1) in those finals. And the support stretches way back. We still get accused of living in the past. We have only one response to that – just imagine what’s it like for Newcastle fans luving in the present – case closed.
    Newcastle United is huge in the lives of the Newcastle fans – that’s probably the best we can say it – and we’ll leave it at that.

But don’t get into the trap of linking trophies with being big. Don’t even argue that one. 😀 We need a few seasons under Mort, Ashley and Keegan to do that – and we’ll have the cavalry arriving in the form of Alan Shearer at some point over the next 4 years or so.

One last point – if fans of other clubs are really annoyed at this piece of sports literature – lighten up 😀

Comments welcome.



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25 comments so far

  • Hammy

    Mar 15, 2008 at 10:38 AM

    Comment #1

    Typo Ed….that should read “£80million” that useless fat tw@t squandered…..

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  • Ed Harrison

    Mar 15, 2008 at 10:43 AM

    Comment #2

    Got it – thanks.

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  • iain

    Mar 15, 2008 at 10:59 AM

    Comment #3

    should of pointed out our away support especially at places like the san siro (10000 or so). and probably as well at dumps like wigan our fans will even travel to places with no character or notable footballing history to watch our team.

    name a club in the world that took as many to the san siro as we did in recent years. or reguarly takes 5000 to wigan of all places whos ground is a rugby league mudbath first and a football pitch 2nd, the chances of watching any entertaining football there (whether we win or loose) is zero yet we still go in numbers.

    despite our lack of success we were still had more trophies i think than chelsea until abramorich took over.

    having won only one charity shield and never the league cup and still being in the top 10 most sucsefull english team is an achievment imo. (incidently we are the only top 10 team in that list to nevre win the league cup).

    personally though it will count for nothing imo becuase if we go down i reckon a lot of people will stop going regurly to games so no more 50k every week at home games. well be lucky if its 40k.

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  • scott9

    Mar 15, 2008 at 10:59 AM

    Comment #4

    i think season after next we will show just what a big club we are if we stay up well buy some top qaulity players in the summer have a season to settle finish about top half then in the next season we will be back in the top 6 then we will push on from there

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  • whitey

    Mar 15, 2008 at 11:00 AM

    Comment #5

    its based on history, fanbase and finance. the toon are a big club. granted its history isnt as good as other teams in the top 4, but it has a huge fanbase nationally and is one of the richest clubs in the country and worldwide. just a shame theyve employed some right pricks as managers who have bought some right pricks to play for us.

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  • Leo

    Mar 15, 2008 at 11:03 AM

    Comment #6

    good article. im sure it will help those who live in excile of newcastle, and need some ammunition from the constant barrage of abuse aimed at them by sensless fans of other teams, espcially those glory seekers fans… gotta hate them…

    appologisies for my typos’ im just too tired had hardly any sleep due to the sports relief… well done to everyone who did what they could.

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  • clinta

    Mar 15, 2008 at 11:23 AM

    Comment #7

    where definately the most loyal fans that i’ve come across around england, and fair point about the top four ed, i’ve been to the emirates and know what you mean. that said though name me a club in the championship you’d consider big? if cardiff had 40,000 to a game would you say there big? food for thought.

    can’t believe the last time we won a match was that shitty cold night at fulham, i was there to cheers the boys on, i’m living in china now, i’ve been back home to australia for a visit and new zealand for a wedding in between, seems a life time ago we got those points.

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  • toony

    Mar 15, 2008 at 11:27 AM

    Comment #8

    Let’s not forget we broke the world record for a signing – not many English clubs have done that lately, we were probably the most recent.

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  • lee

    Mar 15, 2008 at 11:33 AM

    Comment #9

    good piece of writing and true though im not 2 sure about liverpool cos they have quite loyal fansbut i do get your point potentially we could be as big as if not bigger than arsenal if we were in the champions league every year like them and the club developed like it should have then we would be realy we are probably bigger than chelsea had ambramovic not come they would be in a worse pos than us ……….possibley

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  • Rob Lee's left bollock.

    Mar 15, 2008 at 11:40 AM

    Comment #10

    @ Iain,

    Got to disagree with you there matey. I recon if we went down we would still get sell out crowds every home game because the hope and expectation is so high at the start of the season.

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  • Graham

    Mar 15, 2008 at 11:46 AM

    Comment #11

    Now i’m Newcastle through and through – have been for 30 years but we are missing one vital piece of the jigsaw to make us a big club – success.

    I couldn’t give a toss about winning the FA cup 3 times in the 50’s when i wasn’t even a twinkle in my dads underpants. If history makes clubs big then Burnley and Blackpool must br big clubs no?

    We haven’t been successful for 50 years (finishing 2nd 2 years on the trot doesn’t make you successful) for gods sake. We’re a rich club yes, but until we achieve success we will never be a truly big club.

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  • TooooooN

    Mar 15, 2008 at 12:07 PM

    Comment #12

    well said….good comments tho. i can’t see myself supporting other football club. Geordies for life

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  • Hadrian

    Mar 15, 2008 at 12:10 PM

    Comment #13

    graham , the point is we have the infastructure to win things and maintain it . burnley and blackpool do not , despite what they won in the 19th centuary 🙂

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  • david

    Mar 15, 2008 at 12:11 PM

    Comment #14

    chris said….

    “should of pointed out our away support especially at places like the san siro (10000 or so). and probably as well at dumps like wigan our fans will even travel to places with no character or notable footballing history to watch our team.”

    well seasoned argument there mate…wigan outplayed newcastle but sadly its comments like ‘no notable footballing history’ that confirm newcastle’s sad malaise.

    having seen the match at JJB, I can tell you how surprised I was to see how quickly the NUFC fans tunred on their own players (even before the end of the first half’

    newcastles’s problems owe more to the unrealistic pressure applied by those ‘50,000’ home fans and ‘10,000’ away fans, demanding results from a team that simply can not produce!

    set your sights abut lower over the next few seasons, control the spending, and you may actually see NUFC getting somewhere

    From a WAFC fan

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  • Michael

    Mar 15, 2008 at 12:17 PM

    Comment #15

    Well, no doubt Newcastle is a big club but our actions contradict our claims.

    Big clubs have big aspirations, Newcastle do,
    Big clubs have a replete of money, Newcastle do,
    Big clubs have big Managers, Newcastle do not!
    Big clubs have big players, Newcastle do not, save in name only (Owen).

    There is a trend here, look at the big four, All have Big managers of European standing save Grant but the Size of the club and the Quality of players he has are there plus he is tactically adroit, and learned at the hand of Jose.

    If a club needs success at all levels we must have the infrastructure to achieve success. Facilities, players, managers, coaches and competent leadership at the top of the club, e.g. Chairman and the Board of directors. One piece missing in this Jigsaw puzzle and then you compromise.

    At many levels we are missing too many pieces and as such we are not producing the goods.

    What you must understand is that success need not take time. Newcastle are the hardest to please as we demanded our defense be sorted out and we procured the services of Sam who had a plan, we were not conceding as many goals as prior seasons under Sam, but before he achieved a full repair of the defense which he might have done had he stayed and made January procurements which we all acknowledge now is costing us the fact we made no new signings. Before Sam could sort out our defense we started demanding attacking! reason we sacked Sam was because he defended too much, do you not remember us demanding our famously leaky defense be sorted? Why then before this could happen did we demand attacking football.

    We say a manager needs time but why were we not prepared to give Sam this time that we seem so prepared to give Keegan?

    This is a conundrum I fail to understand and attests to the fact that Keegan is dear to your hearts. Understand, if Keegan can bring in his players and he has the full support of the board and the Sam excuses are no longer applicable, if he cannot produce the results then he should go like any manager in a similar situation. Dear to your hearts or not, there is no one bigger than the club and the stubborn shortsightedness common in most Keegan loyalists has you deifying a man with no clue of what to do.

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  • Darryl

    Mar 15, 2008 at 12:35 PM

    Comment #16

    Well said, while i agree with you about fans being stubborn, not all fans wanted to see the back of Sam like me for instance. 1 good thing that might actually come out of this is the Fans that think we should change managers every few games, to stop being so needy, and actually want too stick with the same person for awhile! It will pay dividends. Lets face it, how many managers have we had over the last 10 year? Pretty much all the managers have been forced out through the fans, once the fans jump on the managers back, the media then pounce, and the clock needless to say, starts ticking.

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  • Hadrian

    Mar 15, 2008 at 12:46 PM

    Comment #17

    darryl .
    thats utter tosh , and another case of the media’s nonsense trickling down thru the fans .
    needy ? how the hell can you call us needy ?
    and how on earth do we now get the blame for freddy shepereds manager sacking arse saving tactics .
    ive been on those terraces singing sack the board only to find our manager gone the next day , on far to many occasions .

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  • Darryl

    Mar 15, 2008 at 1:21 PM

    Comment #18

    But we all no what shepherd was like, if fans got on his back, he was going to look at the next best thing, the manager. So all those who wanted the board out, should of expected him to axe the Manager instead – another reason why shepherd’s a money spun prick.

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  • Graham

    Mar 15, 2008 at 1:25 PM

    Comment #19

    Hadrian – having infrastructure doesn’t mean you win things. We can vouch for that.

    The day we are successful, I will happily call NUFC a big club and will challenge anyone who says otherwise – but big crowds and oodles of cash without trophys dont make you a big club

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  • CRAIGG

    Mar 15, 2008 at 1:49 PM

    Comment #20

    Well Darryl, maybe if Shepherd had listened to the fans when replacing the quality managers with similar or better standards.

    Ala why didnt he wait till the end of 96-97 and appoint Bobby after Kev said he would leave at the end of the season, No he tryed to push Kev into selling players he didnt want to and made him walk, Then dived on Kenny “5-a-side” Dalglish, who according to stuart pearce had no coaching abilty.

    Not very good Quality replacements for the legends he sold Ferdinand, Asprilla, Ginola, Beardsley, Clark and Elliott. He Replaced then with his has been buddies from Liverpool Barnes and Rush and foreign flops like Tommasson, Gudjohnson and Ketsbaia.

    Dont even Start me on Gullit

    Shepherd sold Woodgate and Speed behind bobbys back and Souness did exactly the same as Dalglish with Bobbys team selling Bellamy, Robert, Jenas, Kluivert, Hughes and Bernard and replaced them with Boumsong, Luque, Babayaro, Faye you could even add owen to that list as he has flopped.
    Roeder initially did well but should have been replaced after the caretaker management stint and Allardyce finished us off as a good side getting Dyer, Solano, Parker, Sibierski and Moore and replacing them with the likes of Barton, Smith, Geremi, Cacapa and Rozenhal
    All to be fair made some decent signings but none of Dalglish, Gullit, Souness, Roeder or Allardyce should have been appointed and If KK can save us from relegation then hopefully his good work as it undoubtably will be over the next 3 1/2 years is not wasted as it was in the past.

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  • beright

    Mar 15, 2008 at 1:59 PM

    Comment #21

    5th most successful team since the premiership starting. First outside the big four. Beaten top european teams in the CL. 5 years ago we where in the CL fighting for 3rd or 4th with Chelsea and Liverpool. I would much rather be doing that than win one Carlington Cup.

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  • Michael

    Mar 15, 2008 at 2:09 PM

    Comment #22

    @Beright. I agree with you there. I would rather we fought for third and fourth position in he league than winning the Carling cup and not being in the top 6. With this said, let it not be suggested I am saying I do not want to win a trophy, on the contrary, I do. Big money comes from Europe and qualifying for Europe is always what the board want. So is extending a cup run. More games means more Money through TV rights, gate takings and merchandise on Match day and Economies of scale meaning rather than paying Owen 104K a week for playing less games you are paying him 104K to give you the opportunity to to do the above.

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  • cupiddstunt

    Mar 15, 2008 at 2:31 PM

    Comment #23

    Michael I’m not too sure about you claims.

    Big clubs have big aspirations,

    Wrong All clubs have big aspirations, they all have aspirations bigger than themselves. Do you think Derby hit the pitch every week with the idea of playing to loose??? No they go out every week aspiring to win and stay up in the prem. Like all other clubs they have big aspirations.

    Big clubs have a replete of money, Newcastle do,

    Wrong You will probably find that most clubs work in the red and we had 80 million Of a debt which Mike very kindly cleared off for us, so are you trying to say before Mike cleared off the debt we were not a big club but now with no debt we suddenly become a big club??

    Big clubs have big Managers, Newcastle do not!

    Wrong Keegan is probably a bigger name than Grant at the time of the appointments. Managers become big names by their achievements, Fergie was about to be booted out of manure after three crap seasons but he managed to hang on and the rest is history Benitez has been hanging on by a thread for a long time now. A manager that inherits a good squad can become a name whereas a good manager can loose his name by taking over a poor squad. Managers are not born big they become big with a club but when they first join that club they are just another manager. So you are advocating that we buy a “big” manager??? Like we haven’t tried to buy big names to get us out of the crap before?? There is only one club to my recollection that has bought big names to make it big and succeeded and that is Chelski and to date I think the cost of that adventure is just a little short of half a billion, is this the road you want to go down??? Our wage bill for this season is already £62.5 million do you not think this is big enough???

    Big clubs have big players, Newcastle do not, save in name only (Owen).

    Wrong again So we go down the half billion road and buy the big names ehh??
    Arsenhole spend very little on big names they just bring youngsters up through the ranks and make them big names.

    There are three trends here one is you being consistently wrong, the second is generally success breeds success, and the third is successful clubs generally get bigger and big clubs generally achieve success, we are bucking the third trend we have been a big but unsuccessful club for way too long.

    We have most of the pieces needed to develop success, now we need a bit of luck and stay up, further development of the team in the off season come back in better shape and start the push up the league finish top half with a bit of luck, develop further in the next off season and push again.

    If it goes this way then better players will come the standard of play will go up and we will progress, hence attracting better players and so on and so forth.

    BUT and this is a big but, this will only make us a more successful club not a big club.

    NUFC is already a big club, as already pointed out we fill our ground every week and it is the third biggest stadium in the Prem. A small club would not be able to do this as they do not have the fan base.
    NUFC as a marque is recognised worldwide and in global football the 14th greatest generator of revenue, by the nature of association being in the top twenty of this list makes NUFC a big club as you need to be a big club or a very successful club to be in this list. Just think what NUFC could achieve if it had some sustained success.

    If we were able to put together say four of five seasons of success like top six finishes and Europe nobody would dispute the big club tag, but we would basically be the same club playing at the same ground.

    Silverware is only a sign of success. Stadium, support, fan base, cash generation these are signs of size little clubs don’t have these big clubs do and NUFC is big as we have those attributes.

    Unsuccessful we may be but no one can deny NUFC is a big club.

    Envy makes critics say the oddest of things

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  • Michael

    Mar 15, 2008 at 3:23 PM

    Comment #24

    Acknowledged!

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  • Newcastle United.

    Mar 15, 2008 at 5:22 PM

    Comment #25

    Well said mate.

    Newcastle United are huge in the lives of us Geordies.

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