Keegan Could Still Walk Away From Newcastle And Fans

The saga that started today, with reports that Kevin Keegan had resigned as manager of Newcastle, and then that he had in fact been sacked, is regrettably not over.

Kevin Keegan – negotiating how to get out of contract?

The Daily Mail is reporting that Kevin Keegan was in discussions with his lawyers last night, as he was seeing how he could extricate himself from his contract.

Apparently Kevin is in a Manchester hotel with his legal advisers, and it seems to be about compensation on his salary, that he must pay Newcastle if he walks out.

While most of us had hoped that this would blow over by this morning, and that Kevin would even be back at Newcastle to take training, The Mail is saying that his family and friends think his time is over at Newcastle.

Apparently the contract he signed states that he must pay more than £1M in compensation to the club, if he walks out. This is obviously based on his past behavior at Newcastle, England and Manchester City when he resigned rather abruptly, in each case. And that could also explain why he is telling friends he was sacked, and did not resign.

The Mail is reporting that Keegan is looking at legal maneuvers on how to resolve the situation by not actually resigning.

What’s said to be upsetting Kevin, and why it seems he has had enough, after only eight months in charge are some of the following:

  • The overall transfer policy of the club
  • The failure of the club, after almost four months of asking, to tie down Michael Owen to a new contract
  • The specific role of Football Director Dennis Wise
  • The aborted sale of Joey Barton yesterday, when Newcastle were reported to have found potential buyers (though to be Aston Villa and Portsmouth) for Joey, but Keegan did not want to sell him
  • The sale of James Milner to Aston Villa last Friday, which Kevin at the time said was his decision, but we have to seriously doubt that now – becasue remember James is a player who Kevin called an absolute gem and only a couple of days before had said he didn’t even want to even talk about James leaving

It appears at the meeting yesterday afternoon, they discussed the various moves for players which had broken down, and would not therefore happen, and it looks like Keegan had walked out following a shouting match between Kevin and the Board.

Kevin believes he has been given promises, which have not been fulfilled, and the bottom line is that if Kevin feels he can no longer manage the club, then so be it, but it’s another disaster for The Newcastle United Football Club.

And Kevin should know that if he walks away from the club this time, he is also walking away from the many Newcastle United Fans, who couldn’t have done more today, to let him know they want him to stay on and take the club back to greatness.

Whatever happens we’ll probably know the score tomorrow, in what looks like the next episode of The Newcastle United Football Club Soap Opera.

But make no mistake, it was our great and proud club, yesterday and today, that has lost out big time.
Comments welcome.

195 comments so far

  • geordie adam

    Sep 3, 2008 at 12:48 AM

    Comment #1

    dont know if any1 knows yet but radio five live are reporting that keegan has NOT resigned or been sacked and remains manager

    richard bevin from the LMA has talked with Keegan and is saying that keegan has neither resigned or has been sacked from his post as newcastle united manager and will continue talks with the board over the next week

  • Tom Mo.

    Sep 3, 2008 at 12:50 AM

    Comment #2

    This makes me so angry. Mike Ashley has Screwed our club.

  • hadrian

    Sep 3, 2008 at 12:52 AM

    Comment #3

    first person to swill dennis wise with pint of urine is a hero .

  • RuvioToon

    Sep 3, 2008 at 12:56 AM

    Comment #4

    i was gonna go to st james and throw dead batteries at MArsely
    a friend of mine pointed out to me that live batteries may cause more damage, but there was the downside he might collect the batteries, resell them, promise to buy me more, better, newer batteries with longer lives and better capabilities……and then sack my manager

  • Shola Ameobi

    Sep 3, 2008 at 12:58 AM

    Comment #5

    The more i think about it the more i think selling milner was a bad bad call. If Guti or nzog get injured, where pretty screwed. I totally wouldn’t blame keegan if he left. His role is manager, not motivator, and that should be respected buy the two cockney twats ash and wise.

  • Cooper

    Sep 3, 2008 at 12:58 AM

    Comment #6

    either way keegan HIMSELF needs to come out and tell us whats going on

    we wait7hours for a statement and we we get it it just adds to the confusion.

    Personally i reckon he’ll take training tomorrow.

  • brutooooon

    Sep 3, 2008 at 12:59 AM

    Comment #7

    wish keegan stay with us. most people remember the name newcastle united represent Keegan and vice versa.

    Mike Ashley…u suck!

  • Rodney Trotter

    Sep 3, 2008 at 1:00 AM

    Comment #8

    I am heartbroken.Makes you think about Sams sacking.Was he (Sam) actually sacked or did he leave by mutual consent?I hope for our sakes this is resolved another year wasted after such a promising start aswell.Typical….

  • graeme

    Sep 3, 2008 at 1:00 AM

    Comment #9

    I can certainly understand why KK would be well and truely pissed off, big time.

    How can you soar like an eagle when you are surrounded by turkeys?????

    I hold my hand up and confess that I stated I wasnt happy with him being appointed when so many hugely talented managers were also available. BUT, having appointed him, the club have to back him, which would appear not to be the case.

    This is the worst possible nightmare situation for our club; there are NO winners, but we, the fans, are the ultimate losers if this is not resolved and quickly. Fingers crossed for calm tempers and cool head in the morning as we have two huge egos at stake here and compromise hase to be the name of the game at this point in time.

  • KevinHann

    Sep 3, 2008 at 1:00 AM

    Comment #10

    What we think happened… Ed, you are living in a made up world. I’m sorry to say that and I admit it is a good thing to always look on the bright side, but sometimes one needs to cut deep to heal a bad wound. And one God knows how many of these we’ve got below the surface.

    First of all, Wise was a terrible pick. You don’t adopt a complicated mechanism to achieve top goals unless you are damn sure all the pieces will fit together, fit well. You don’t hire a director of football with the reputation of a troublemaker, no matter how knowledgeable he might be – and let’s face it, Wise doesn’t really match the encyclopedia-guy type. He is pretty inexperienced in dealing with top football issues.

    If you are to have someone above your manager, it should be a club legend, look at Bayern for instance, someone who is very aware of his own ground and doesn’t feel the need to invade someone else’s. Or someone who has proven he can keep very close, may I stress on close, relations with the manager. Someone who can talk football while drinking a beer with the manager. Those pieces of the mechanism must respect each other, trust each other. Then it could be productive. Once anyone starts undermining someone, you’ve got a problem. We are well aware there has been no communication between vital departments of our beloved football club. As a matter of fact, I am greatly surprised how Keegan (a guy with the reputation of walking out on clubs, remember?) has been handling it for so long. Let me remind you he was unhappy with Wise at the very start. The recent transfer window was not the problem, it just eased the problem to erupt.

    Let me remind you Keegan has indeed been summoned and fiercely criticised by Llambias. This came as a logical consequence after Wise’s camp within the club has been working hard against Keegan. How else can you call promising your manager to sign top players, assuring him you’ve got the same ambition as him and then selling players he wants to keep?

    Excuse me, but to whoever believes Barton or Smith must have been sold, try to look a little deeper! They are a perfect example of how one could test the board’s desire to stand by you. If you are a manager, those above you must stick with you and respect your decision, OR, if they generally disagree with it, they should call you and let you know – and look for a solution. It was used to prove a point. Think, guys, Keegan couldn’t afford to lose Barton or Smith! They might be in a terrible time of their careers, but we used to say the same for Damien Duff. If you trust someone as a footballer and there’s nothing which personally stops you from working with him, there is nothing wrong in staying by the person! Especially when your squad is thinner than the Stephen King novel. And once you have defended the person, you can’t, BY NO MEANS!, twist and say OK, we can sell him, he needs a fresh start, we need money, so bye bye. It is called principles. And what did the board do? Let me look at the board’s actions step by step.

    1. They first tried to make Barton take a pay-cut. This might seem good, but it is NOT a moral thing to do. The moral thing would have been to sack him. Asking someone to take a pay-cut means you want to save money. Not cut the losses – then you would simply sell him and take him off the wage bill. It is a business decision, but also one which doesn’t really look good on the football side. If you back someone, you back him all the way. The club also looked at the possibility of sacking Joey. Think, it might have been a good solution, but after proposing a wage cut, and after your manager has backed him, this is a very poor choice. It shows two things: first, the board acts on its own, without following any firm stance or consulting with all the parties which are directly concerned. I will take the second thing as a general conclusion, and then support it with further evidence:

    2. The board act in an immature way. It doesn’t follow principles. The stance is never firm. The board is incompetent in running a football club! Totally! You may argue, but all your arguments will come from the business side of things, which is OK. Let’s think about this. First they set up this new structure. It’s not been tested or whenever it has been tested, it has proven faulty. The examples of the opposite may be looked at as exceptions, explainable with traditions, different values, strong hierarchy and so on. So the board jumps in the deep with this. We can now see it was a mistake. So the decision – or the way they realized it – was imcompetent!

    Next to that we’ve got their poor understanding of how to handle the football side of things. First example: the three contracts. Taylor, Owen, Milner. The board hired Keegan to work on the football aspect, admitting they are good businesswise. Then why ignore the specialist you pay and refuse to sanction deals with Owen and Taylor? On the Milner case, does losing a vital part of your team for stubbornly deciding to hang on his new three-year deal (and dressing this business decision in principles) come any short of incompetent? Milner wasn’t an employee asking for something he didn’t deserve. His skill in crossing the ball or running like a headless chicken aside, no one can deny the lad gave his all and WAS the most regular starter for our team in the past two seasons! He had every right to ask for adequate reward for what he was giving to the club, given the salaries paid to the likes of Emre, Duff and Viduka, who have less games combined under their belts. What is Keegan’s stand? Milner is important. What is Ashley’s stance? No one is unsellable. That’s right, even Ronaldo can be sold. But would Ferguson sell him if he thought he couldn’t fill the gap? What would Ferguson do if the board sells anyone without his consent?

    Next point: Ashley demands a top 5 finish and European qualification. He feels we have the squad to get there. On a personal note, I also believe we can get there. The start of the season proved it. Ignore the Arsenal game, it should be looked at as a chance to realize what we need to fix. Footballwise, we need to fix the squad depth. We need to get a left back. The board decides to trust Wise and bring in his targets. No left back there. Incompetent. When you interfere with an aspect which is not your job, you’d better be sure you do it right.
    Next point: look at several of Ashley’s actions.
    Step one: the fans hate Allardyce. Ashley sacks Sam.
    Step two: the fans adore Kevin Keegan. Ashley appoints Keegan.
    Step three: the fans are sore about how Shepherd ran the club. Ashley tries to be more friendly.
    Step four: the fans want flair. Ashley promises a wow signing.
    Step five: the fans grow increasingly annoyed over the lack of communication. Ashley gives a special interview.
    Step six: the fans are mad about Keegan’s sacking. Ashley backs from his decision and works on bringing him back.
    Conclusion: the board doesn’t do its job in a competent manner. When it bumps onto a problem, it seeks for a quick solution, which unsurprisingly doesn’t fix the problem at all.

    Don’t get me wrong. Credit for running the business side of things so smoothly. And then again I take that credit back for letting the business side of things interfere with the long-term goals Ashley himself drew. There has to be balance, once you break it, you lose ground. You all have to admit we never found the balance under Ashley.

    Overall, we can conclude Ashley has done very well as a businessman and extremely poor as a football owner. I draw this harsh conclusion because you can’t pick the wage restructuring and debt clearance and ignore the rest, these facts are a piece of the big puzzle, and so are the Milner sale, the lack of desire to renew the contracts of vital team members and the inadequate portion of transfer funds available for the manager. I mean for Wise. This isn’t the positive look on things. This is the realistic look.

    All this convinces me Mike Ashley has no idea he has ran onto. He is intrigued, tries to study it by the means that never let him down (hence the business apporach), then startles when it bites back (the angry fans’ reaction). Reminds me of a little boy playing with a petty animal. And you know what little boys like to do with animals, guys? They cause them pain and often kill them in their curiosity. Without even realizing it.

  • t-g-w

    Sep 3, 2008 at 1:01 AM

    Comment #11

    Been thinking about this all day with very little information coming out of the club. No idea what to think anymore. The anger seems to have gone though and desperation is probably going to kick in soon. What a disgrace.

    Even if both sides are willing to make concessions so they can sort this mess out, has too much been said in the heat of the moment to make it feasible for Kevin to continue as manager?

    Only time will tell, and it may not even be tomorrow.

    the way I see it, Either Wise goes or Kevin goes. I know who I want to leave.

  • Azza Jones

    Sep 3, 2008 at 1:02 AM

    Comment #12

    Im hoping that KK is just flexing his muscle to show Ashley and the board that he is in charge and has the FULL support of the fans……

    One thing is for sure Dennis Wise needs a different title or needs to go. He is in NO WAYS A DIRECTOR OF FOOTBALL!

    If he stays on we need clarification that KK is in sole control of transfers, and Dennis wise is only there for youth recruitment. Wise will never be accepted as manager of NUFC.

    Otherwise ASHLEY YOU FAT C*NT SELL UP AND F*CK OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • ObaFan2

    Sep 3, 2008 at 1:05 AM

    Comment #13

    The Daily Mail is the scum of the earth and started this all off so they can go and do 1 for all I care.

    I soke with officials at SJP that KK had been@ SJP this morning and left like any other day….

    So the mail and SSN made the most of nothing and caused this all mighty panic and protests at the club.

    TBH I’ve had enough of Ashley and his way of owning OUR cub.

    Get out Ashley, you are no longer wanted @ SJP.
    Wise out you little piece of scum.

  • Cooper

    Sep 3, 2008 at 1:07 AM

    Comment #14

    How do they know keegan is in a hotel in manchester ?????

  • Rodney Trotter

    Sep 3, 2008 at 1:07 AM

    Comment #15

    I wish people would stop talking about the failed ‘wow signing’.It was never promised and if it was would MA be stupid enough to put that sort of pressure on the club?It would never be made public ever!

  • t-g-w

    Sep 3, 2008 at 1:08 AM

    Comment #16

    RuvioToon that was hilarious!!! Good work.

  • murvar

    Sep 3, 2008 at 1:08 AM

    Comment #17

    I think the only hope is that some wealthy Geordie business peole put together a consortium to buy out Ashley and let him slink off back to London where he belongs. If you are right and there is a penalty clause in his contract to stop KK walking out early (and how on earth do you know that – it’s never been mentioned before?) then MA was very clever: he could maximise all the benefits of the Messiah image whilst minimising KK’s influence on how the club was run. It’s all gone pear-shaped since Mort went back south. If Wise and/or Poyet take over then my 34 years support will come to an end. It’s time for a fan’s revolt. And I would like to think the players would protest too but that’s too much to expect.

  • keegan is king

    Sep 3, 2008 at 1:12 AM

    Comment #18

    whatever i was first one to jump on ashleys back if he got sacked but he not. we dnt no ins and outs so lets just get behind the team. TOON TOON BLACK AND WHITE ARMY

  • The Entertainers

    Sep 3, 2008 at 1:13 AM

    Comment #19

    From :
    Fat Sam

    We have only been successful under 2 managers, the two who are intrinsically linked with NUFC.

    They belonged to Nufc and always will, others will come and go but few will understand and ‘feel’ the club in the ways Keegan and Robson could.

    Mike Ashley you are not part of NUFC, you may well own it, but it does not belong to you.

    I have to say Mr Ashley you have let me down in ways Sheppard never did. As much as Freddy was an idiot in charge of the asylum, your now a captain in charge of a sinking ship.

    However you may desert this ship the fans will stay behind and the band will play on.

    I hope this can be resolved, i hope Kevin sees the support he has from the fans. Look at the pictures on T.V, yes i know most of the fans their probabley broke their ASBO just to enter the city, but thats the passion and how they feel about the club, the manager and how they ‘could’ feel about you Mr Ashley.

    But you need to listen, not just share a quick pint and be off. But listen to Keegan, hes not just your manager, hes a bloody fan, who believes in Newcastle and understands Newcastle. Forget Wise etc, we dont even want him at the club. Let Keegan be your barometer, because you need one at the moment and maybe one day you will know what Keegan knows about this club, about our club, about the club within the club.

    Newcastle UNITED..!

    Bring back the faith.

  • cooldj

    Sep 3, 2008 at 1:16 AM

    Comment #20

    kevinhann i agree. i think in terms of buisness ashley has done very well. lets not forget he saved our club from going under. but what the f is denis wise doing. If MA just allowed KK to do everything but told him what his budget was ect then i think we could have a better team and a more united board.

  • ObaFan2

    Sep 3, 2008 at 1:18 AM

    Comment #21

    keegan is king, it’s past that(although our support for the team will always be there) Ashley is incompetant as an owner of a EPL club, he’d rather throw £5 million into a casino that spend on players.

    This summer transfers have changed my whole opinion of Ashley, yes Spidey is great and Colo cost alot but the others, a loan deal and youngsters. We have to thin a squad to fight on 3 fronts, league and cups and we already have injuries effecting our team’s performance and we’re only 3 game into the EPL.

    Wise and the recruitment team have failed KK, failed to sign the players KK wanted to bring in, sold Milner and tried to sell Owen and Barton behind his back.

    ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, sell up and p**s off Ashley, you are not wanted at this club anymore and peple will show you with their wallets and voices at the next home game.

  • Black and White Blood

    Sep 3, 2008 at 1:19 AM

    Comment #22

    Still nothing on 5live

  • Tom_Toon

    Sep 3, 2008 at 1:20 AM

    Comment #23

    Who eve didn’t see this coming weeks ago is naive.

  • fostino

    Sep 3, 2008 at 1:20 AM

    Comment #24

    its all gone abit pete thong at de moment…..but even he had a happy ending so toon….rock on!!

    tomorrow is another day, its also the 1st match of our season, so the lungs better be ready for a pounding!! expecting (HOPING) to read that kk is still in charge and solved all differences with the board when i get home tomorrow

  • ScottyT

    Sep 3, 2008 at 1:20 AM

    Comment #25

    y was dennis wise needed in the first place?!?!

    unfortuanatly if u luk at the unwashed nxt door. keane wants a player quinn gives him the money.

    with us keegan wants a player, hes checked out by wise, then jimenez, then vetere thn if confirmed to be a decent player. ashley tells him hw much he is willing to pay. if that dusnt meet there valution keegan is withowt the player he wantd.

    the whole structure which we hoped would work out just dusnt work im afraid. we need keegan back wise gone and a new simpler structure.

  • RossNe5UFC

    Sep 3, 2008 at 1:21 AM

    Comment #26

    I heard it on 5live, sounds good like, but definately very far from resolved

  • ObaFan2

    Sep 3, 2008 at 1:22 AM

    Comment #27

    The Entertainers , you’re wrong about the people at SJP, there were people of all ages. Yes there were alot of younger ones there but these are the fans for tomorrow and shouldn’t be discounted.

    Probably looking on the news it seemed like all young numbties but they were the ones wanting to push to the front and get on tv!

  • keegan is king

    Sep 3, 2008 at 1:23 AM

    Comment #28

    im not as fond as ashley as when he first bought us but hey heres here hes not sacked keegan. for all we know (although i doubt it) he might of been promising kk hes in charge of transfers in jan. whos knows??

  • mitch

    Sep 3, 2008 at 1:25 AM

    Comment #30

    I think your right Mort was much more informative and sort of did things right I dont like our chairman and I can not stand dennis wise he should not be aloud in our club I think the fact KK never took training shows it was no ordinary day but I tell you MA knows where he stands now with the fans 22 thousand e mails in support of KK to sky sports a demo at our ground YES MA WE LOVE KING KEV HE IS ONE OF US.

  • Matt Lacey

    Sep 3, 2008 at 1:27 AM

    Comment #31

    I can only hope that there is some resolution very soon… there can’t possibly be a better time than now for the club to start being honest with the fans.

    If my grandad was still alive this would have broken his heart.

  • ObaFan2

    Sep 3, 2008 at 1:27 AM

    Comment #32

    Stop posting links and oting from The Daily Mail like it knows what it’s talking about….it’s sh*** and probably the worst piece of “journalism” in the country.

  • RossNe5UFC

    Sep 3, 2008 at 1:28 AM

    Comment #33

    I agree with you mitch, least mort seemed like a decent guy and communicated with us! Maybe he left coz this has been boiling u since back then..

  • Timmers

    Sep 3, 2008 at 1:28 AM

    Comment #34

    Spot on Kevin Hann, there was a lot going to go wrong with newcastle pre ashley business wise. as much as i like keegan, players/managers will always come and go i will still support NUFC as long as it exists!

  • Black and White Blood

    Sep 3, 2008 at 1:28 AM

    Comment #35

    We need them out – thanks guys we’ve almost hit 1000 already

  • silly silly

    Sep 3, 2008 at 1:29 AM

    Comment #36

    what a lot of sillyness

    ed. keegan has not let us down!!!!!!!!!!!
    we know what he stands for,
    we know what his strengths and weakness’s are,
    we know what he wants,
    we know what the only reasons he came back for are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    the reason we are in this siht hole mess is coz we have people at the helm who want to be experts in football!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    sadly, money talks, or does’nt!! however you want to look at it.

    you can only fool all of the people SOME of the time!!!!!!! cheers, chris.

  • timtoon

    Sep 3, 2008 at 1:29 AM

    Comment #37

    got my hopes set for ambani:D:D

  • ObaFan2

    Sep 3, 2008 at 1:31 AM

    Comment #38

    Black and White Blood, you seen Nando’s entry on the petition, he should be banned from this site AGAIN!!!!!!!!

    (look from i think 36 onwards)

  • Cooper

    Sep 3, 2008 at 1:31 AM

    Comment #39

    massive lows for the toon in the last few years which could ultimatley lead to our relegation before the decade is out…..

    things are falling apart drastically

  • Black and White Blood

    Sep 3, 2008 at 1:34 AM

    Comment #40

    ObaFan2 – I agree, although she’s a fool. I don’t actually intend publishing the comments, therefore she has helped us by signing the petition – what a fool she is, but hey thanks again Nandy Pandy

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