If It’s Really Keegan vs Wise – Why Is Wise Still Standing?


If what’s going on with the Newcastle meetings over the last couple of days is a fight for control of transfer and players, between Kevin Keegan and Dennis Wise, then this should have been solved in a few minutes and Wise should have lost.

Kevin Keegan – should and must have all control of players

But we just cannot believe that the situation at the club is as simple as that, and if it is, then it doesn’t auger well for the future, because how Ashley and Llambias could stand by Wise in any way, shape or form, as opposed to the messiah Kevin Keegan is just beyond us.

And if indeed Wise has had control of the transfers that also shocks us, because there’s no way that can work for any manager.

www.nufc.com, who are close to the club, and often get the inside scoop, are reporting that Mike Ashley may be on his way back form America, and he needs to get involved and sort this out.

As we suggested yesterday Ashley could have Dennis report to Kevin, and if resists that, then he should be shown the door. That’s always an easy way to get rid of people who may be causing problems.

If it is Wise that’s the problem, and apparently he’s been attending the recent meetings, then get rid of him – he has no history at Newcastle whatsoever.

But that seems to be just too easy as the problem, for us to think that’s the total situation that has so upset Kevin Keegan.
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387 comments so far

  • bowburnmag

    Sep 4, 2008 at 1:53 PM

    Comment #1

    It might not be as simple as that but Ashley might just be making a stand to show who’s boss. Though frankly he seems too astute to think that would be a Wise (pardon) move given the circumstances.

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  • Vest

    Sep 4, 2008 at 2:06 PM

    Comment #2

    NUFC.com is also reporting, that they are negotiating the financial package for Keegan, and that they will then make a statement on “mutual consent”.

    Ashley just has to know, that us fans never will forgive Wise, and no way in h*ll like him. So wise don’t have a future here. Put a stamp on his a**, and send him home.

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  • Martin

    Sep 4, 2008 at 2:10 PM

    Comment #3

    The one good thing that those fans at the stadium did the other day was limit Ashley’s options

    He know that if he loses Keegan it’s him who will suffer – fairly or unfairly…For his own sake he needs to keep Keegan at all costs!

    I would like to see KK compromise and be reasonable though! If he wants all or nothing and refuses to accept small compromises then he’ll be letting us (the fans) down!

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  • beyethegreat

    Sep 4, 2008 at 2:11 PM

    Comment #4

    i just missed what david craig said was it anything important

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  • John League

    Sep 4, 2008 at 2:11 PM

    Comment #5

    The only question now is if Ashley wants to be “right” (it’s his club and he’ll run it how he wants, thank you very much) or successful (KK got the players to perform, put butts in the seats, so I’m going to back him with money and control).

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  • Toon Chicken

    Sep 4, 2008 at 2:12 PM

    Comment #6

    It’s the press that have made this a Keegan vs Wise issue. No one else.

    The new regime has made it quite clear that they do not communicate through the press so why are you people still believing every word they print?

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  • l

    Sep 4, 2008 at 2:12 PM

    Comment #7

    We are so quick to blame dennis wise for all of this answer me one question who put wise in this position and offered him the job at newcastle??… yes Ashley so why are we blaming the guy who is just trying to do his job?? I can understand keegan being angry if wise was trying to sell some players behind his back but I very much doubt this happened from wises point of view, it sounds as tho llambias is the criminal for that one.

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  • sean667

    Sep 4, 2008 at 2:12 PM

    Comment #8

    depends on the compramise martin

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  • walker

    Sep 4, 2008 at 2:13 PM

    Comment #9

    shouldnt have to compromise hes either in charge or not

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  • Taiwantoon

    Sep 4, 2008 at 2:15 PM

    Comment #10

    I dunno, but why would and should Wise try to offload Owen at MA’s back?

    Nah, I really think if the board was trying to offload players without KK’s admission, MA must had involved.

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  • bimpy474

    Sep 4, 2008 at 2:16 PM

    Comment #11

    Common Sense should be taught in schools if it was possible.

    Amazing how if a bit of it was applied to many things how problems are solved.

    Not too much flying around Sid James Park at the moment.

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  • hitman

    Sep 4, 2008 at 2:16 PM

    Comment #12

    NO SURRENDER

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  • hitman

    Sep 4, 2008 at 2:17 PM

    Comment #13

    we back keegan all the way no matter what

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  • Martin

    Sep 4, 2008 at 2:18 PM

    Comment #14

    Walker and Sean667…

    Whoever highlighted the new signings must be kept on…Jonas, Coloccini, Guthrie, Bassong – all have looked quality!

    One compromise would be that Keegan has this scout (whoever it was) working under him – picking out players the majority of us had never of…Rather than Keegan bringing in his own men!

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  • Viper

    Sep 4, 2008 at 2:18 PM

    Comment #15

    Resolution needed no doubt about that.

    Is quite bloody clear where the support is. Not for Wise or others. If Ashley can not see that, then he will be eaten by the credit crunch, and deserve it.

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  • the real BIG AL

    Sep 4, 2008 at 2:20 PM

    Comment #16

    The fans are behind Keegan, the players are behind Keegan, and now the City Council is behind Keegan! Check out the statement made by the council on nufc.com. Come on Ashley, everyone is behind Keegan, its now your turn to get behind him!!!!!!

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  • samthecat

    Sep 4, 2008 at 2:21 PM

    Comment #17

    Either a)
    Llambias and Wise had the authority to make those decisions in which case they only got it from Ashley or
    b)they overstepped their remit or
    c)no one knows who is supposed to be in charge of what.
    Mmm c methinks.

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  • su4

    Sep 4, 2008 at 2:22 PM

    Comment #18

    even the council of newcastle is backing keegan… what else U hav to say ashley????

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  • sirjasontoon

    Sep 4, 2008 at 2:22 PM

    Comment #19

    Keegan wasn’t even consulted on the Wise appointment as far as i know..in an interview he did he looked speechless.

    Keegan aint been happy for a while you can tell his spark has been put out.

    He won’t be staying and hopefully neither will Ashley.

    We need stability and investment on the pitch..Ashley has delivered neither in my opinion.

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  • little willie

    Sep 4, 2008 at 2:23 PM

    Comment #20

    International week or not, in my opinion, it is a dereliction of duty for Keegan to miss three days training in a row. He has a respionsibility to the players as he is still the Manager, whether he has disputes or not. Anynegotiations and meetings could be arranged after training has finished and to be totally frank, Keegan is showing his petulant side once again.

    If any of us walked out in dispute, would we still get paid? I wonder if Ashley will dock Keegans wages.

    As some on here have already said, this is getting boring now and threatens to totally destroy the clubs season. For the benefit of all concerned with the club from the owner to the tea lady, some compromise should be met by all parties concerned for the benefit of the club.

    I bet Hull City are lapping all of this up.

    As popular as Keegan appears to be, one man doesnt run a football club and he needs to realise this. If he cannot, f*** off back to his circus in Glasgow and give someone sensible a chance of clearing up this bloody mess we find ourselves in.

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  • carl

    Sep 4, 2008 at 2:23 PM

    Comment #21

    the thing thats worrying me the most is the part of nufc,s first official statement which says The club wants to keep progressing with its long-term strategy. well doesnt that mean that ashley wants the structure to stay in place whatever?

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  • I Made 1000

    Sep 4, 2008 at 2:23 PM

    Comment #22

    WISE OUT!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • Graham

    Sep 4, 2008 at 2:24 PM

    Comment #23

    Ed – I couldn’t care less about who’s got how much history with NUFC. All that really matters is that the bloke who picks the team is the bloke who ultimately decides who is in the squad. Let the others do the scouting under the watchfull eye of the manager – and let the financial people do the contracts, with final yes or no from the manager.

    Mourinho had no history with NUFC but we all wanted him in January.

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  • shearer9

    Sep 4, 2008 at 2:25 PM

    Comment #24

    beyethegreat – he said that if kk resigns then he owes the club 2mil but if he is sacked he is entitles to 2mil

    nufc.com has heard a rumour that it is all down to compensation now and theres no way back, they dont just report on any old rumour so this is looking really bleak. i think it is time to prepare for the worst case scenario.

    i will never forgive mike ashley for this i f.ucking hate him

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  • Graham

    Sep 4, 2008 at 2:26 PM

    Comment #25

    Little Willie – the tea lady is in full spport of Keegan and refuses to pour Wise’s coffee. And she’s not in the mood for any compromise.

    Looks like it isn’t just the big fingers who are strong minded.

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  • Porl

    Sep 4, 2008 at 2:26 PM

    Comment #26

    The reports on what the conflict is and who its with have been extremely varied. Is it Keegan v Wise, Keegan v Ashley, Keegan v Llambias, Keegan v Jimenez, all of the above, some of the above?

    The truth is we just don’t know and the more quotes I read about “inside sources” and “people close to the club” the more I believe that no one knows.

    The papers (Sun in particular) are jumping on Keegan v Wise, probably because its easy. Wise is well known and the idea of a manager waiting in the shadows to steal Keegans job makes for a good and easy story to write and plaster on the back page and website. Sam with Ashley, probably helped along by the rising anger towards him.

    One things for certain for this comflict to be resolved somethings got to give. Things will have to change. Keegan has found himself in a very good bargaining position though. Ashley knows Keegan leaving will be apocalyptic for the fans and his already dwindled popularity.

    As frustrating as it is I think we’re all stuck in wait and see land, and that includes the media.

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  • samthecat

    Sep 4, 2008 at 2:27 PM

    Comment #27

    Jeff Vetere is presumably the man who put these names forward but what restrictions is he under.
    KK is then supposed to say yea or nay and if its a yea then Jimenez does the negotiations. Where Wise fits i dont know and who decides whether a player is worth the money been asked-who knows and whether we are prepared to pay the wages asked-who knows.
    And if the Manager wants a LB and he doesnt get one who takes responsibility.

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  • carl

    Sep 4, 2008 at 2:27 PM

    Comment #28

    viper, never mind the credit crunch eating him, if kk goes and all stays ,theyll be walking dead men.what would be the point of working/owning a club where your not even welcome on the streets , or the stadium.what a mess

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  • Graham

    Sep 4, 2008 at 2:27 PM

    Comment #29

    Mike Ashley cannot afford to lose KK. It will cost him a hell of a lot mor than £2m if he goes – mutually or not.

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  • dougnufc

    Sep 4, 2008 at 2:28 PM

    Comment #30

    dont want kk to leave but it looks very likely that he will, especially missing 3 days of training

    if he does leave, who would you want as manager for the toon

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  • sean667

    Sep 4, 2008 at 2:29 PM

    Comment #31

    speakin of new sighnings wot must the 2 latest think

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  • beyethegreat

    Sep 4, 2008 at 2:30 PM

    Comment #32

    wqell grahem the tea lady is very important at sjp lol though believe it or not she has been here longer than any 1 else

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  • HATE PRAWN SANDWICHES

    Sep 4, 2008 at 2:31 PM

    Comment #33

    LETS SHOW ASHLEY WHO IS BOSS!! THE FANS!!

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  • Graham

    Sep 4, 2008 at 2:31 PM

    Comment #34

    If Ashley is returning to the UK it will be in an attempt to keep KK. If he agreed to get rid – ar allow KK to walk then he wouldn’t ruin any holiday for that. He’s got other people to look after things like that.

    Don’t lose hope just yet – I had a sneaky feeling Kevin would come back in Jan (and I won £300 because of it) and I still have a sneaky feeling that he’ll be back soon. Mind you, this sneaky feeling could just be trapped wind…

    Keep the faith!

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  • Gordon

    Sep 4, 2008 at 2:31 PM

    Comment #35

    I don’t like Dennis Wise one bit but I think he’s been treated harshly through all this. He will after all just be doing what Ashley has asked him to. As will Llambias, Jimenez and the others.

    Ashley set up the structure.

    Like most other people I want Keegan to stay at Newcastle, although I’ll be a bit annoyed with him if he doesn’t give the situation the best possible chance of finding a resolution. I think he owes that to his fans.

    If Ashley isn’t willing to compromise though then it’s basically finished anyway.

    As your article suggests, if it was simply a matter of Keegan v Wise then it should be a no-brainer – just get rid of Wise (or move him under Keegan). It has to be more complicated than that, maybe involving the entire structure of the club.

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  • hitman

    Sep 4, 2008 at 2:31 PM

    Comment #36

    dennis wise doug..nar just kidin

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  • Wallsend Will

    Sep 4, 2008 at 2:32 PM

    Comment #37

    Yesterday I felt it was only a matter of getting Wise to work under Keegan with a new title of Assistant Manager (Player Recruitment). However as it go’s on and on, I suspect that Wise is in it for Power and Total control. He must be a very close mate to Ashley, perhaps in the same way as he is with “Granny Bates” at Leeds. He knows he will never be liked on Tyneside and is therefore keeping his head down. Has he ever talked to the fans about what his role is or how he supports Keegan. As you say if it’s a straight contest between Keegan and Wise as to who should run the club, Wise should be gone, paid off etc. Is Wise related to Ashley in any way, perhaps a nephew or a cousin…..

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  • Graham

    Sep 4, 2008 at 2:32 PM

    Comment #38

    Beyethegreat – she’d never make a good nufc manager being here all these years!

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  • bowburnmag

    Sep 4, 2008 at 2:33 PM

    Comment #39

    Toon Chicken – apologies if I appeared to be missing the bigger picture. My answer was directed more at Ashley removing whatever obtacles are in Mr Keegan’s way. Assuming Wise is a small but pointedly obvious obstacle my answer is still relevant but I concede it is deeper rooted and more meaty than Kev falling out with Den.

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  • Dane Bull

    Sep 4, 2008 at 2:33 PM

    Comment #40

    im a bit annoyed that it has came down to this tbh, kk is a hero and tbh i wouldnt blame him if he walks, hes been treated like crap since day one! always been under wise and been told to cum out and tell everyone he has the main say when its obvious he doesnt!

    i would hate keegan to leave as newcastle would then turn into a joke club, however if wise takes over although us fans will not support him hes made all the signings for us so must have a view on how they play and there best positions! 1 little plus point there but i dnt want it to happen

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