The People is reporting today that Mike Ashley last night broke his silence in the Newcastle turmoil via a statement issued by Newcastle United.
Mike Ashley - will not back down
Mike Ashley has finally attempted to hit back after Keegan claimed he was forced to resign because he was undermined by Dennis Wise and senior club officials, who bought and sold players without his prior approval.
Ashley seems to be trying to prove that Keegan broke his contract by quitting the club, and therefore owes £2M to Newcastle, for breaking the rules of his contract. Obviously this is not love fest between the two of them.
Ashley has said that Kevin knew his job description when he accepted the job last January 16th, after Sam Allardyce had been sacked at the club.
A statement released on Ashley’s behalf last night by the club in part said:
“It is a fact that Kevin Keegan agreed to report to a Director of Football.”“It is a fact Kevin Keegan agreed not to communicate with the media in relation to the acquisition or disposal of players.”
Yet Ashley’s words go against what Director of Football Dennis Wise said when he was brought into the club.
“I’m not going to bring players in behind his Keegan’s back,” “Everything that happens here will be run by him and he will say yes or no.”
And Chairman Chris Mort also said that Kevin would have final say on who comes and goes at the club.
Sources close to Ashley are saying he will not back down, so it looks as though, as usual, the losers will be the good name of the club, and the faithful Newcastle fans – but what’s knew?
What a ridiculous state of affairs now exists at this club - it’s an absolute disgrace to the Newcastle faithful and the public of Newcastle.
187 responses so far ↓
1 robert lee waugh // Sep 7, 2008 at 12:31
f off ashly
2 beessi-kosovo // Sep 7, 2008 at 12:35
believe me guys i don’t want to see ashley’s face
3 Black and White Blood // Sep 7, 2008 at 12:36
Please DO boycott the HULL game, even if we were to get beat that would only intensify the pressure on Ashley to sell - Come on Hull!
With regards to the march, I’m happy to march; however, we need to carefully consider the implications of such action. For example, would we rally have sufficient numbers to make any form of impact, alternatively will there me media coverage to support the march and finally the organiser must obtain authorisation from Northumbria Police.
I propose in place of a march, all should congregate at the Gallowgate end at 1pm. This would ensure we receive maximum media coverage as well as allowing fans unaware of such action to join our cause. Imaging, 5/10,000 fans sing for Keegan as well as Ashley out.
4 LJ // Sep 7, 2008 at 12:36
when are we hoihn to stop being a joke.
Theres this rubbish gng on, the fact thatr everyone thinks we sthink we can win the league, the 13 yr old kids high on sugar and wat else being interviewed embarssing us.
sacking so many managers, sacking sir robson.
its a joke
5 Leo // Sep 7, 2008 at 12:36
“It is a fact Kevin Keegan agreed not to communicate with the media in relation to the acquisition or disposal of players.”
thats not what was being said when he signed, by newcastle heirarchy, not fans, also how can they says #keegan you will report to a director of football#
we didnt even have one.
how can what they have done about keegan recently when everyone read the articles ‘back then’ when wise said what he did, if this was not true then keegan would have said something
what a bunch of hacks
6 beyethegreat // Sep 7, 2008 at 12:37
it just shows he is lying to us
7 Incognito // Sep 7, 2008 at 12:39
They’re showing total disregard for the fans’ feelings about this. Each ‘It is a fact’ is like a pointless sucker-punch that doesn’t help anyone. The real fact here is that our club is most certainly an absolute utter embarrassment. The faceless statements they’re dishing out once in a (long) while are so detached from the fans it’s hard to believe.
Funny that they don’t want a war of words - yet count how many words Keegan has said compared to their ‘facts’.
Sell up and get out Ashley.
8 ande // Sep 7, 2008 at 12:39
I am a NUFC fan of many, many years, having seen McDonald play from the start, at the tender age of 4. Making my own half-time entertainment by using old peanut cone packets and filling them with gravel from the walkway around the pitch. At a time when the Leazes end was the place to be. Blissfully ignorant that SJP, and NUFC was ingraining into my soul. I am so glad that I am part of this most dysfunctional family.
I have mixed emotions about the current turmoil at the club. On one hand we have a situation which seems like an impasse. A large majority of fans are currently at odds with the present management at the Toon. The mismanagement of the situation, insulting communication, and flagrant disrespect of Keegan and the paying masses, has lead to this. We as a club seem to stagger between loathing manager and management. What have we done to deserve this?
On the other hand I have seen powerful solidarity in the face of brutish administration. There are fans the like and majesty of wor Sir Bobby Robson, who have made impactful rebuttals of the current regime. There are also message boards with insightful, intellectual analysis of the problem (some insane protestations too). It seems even the many pundits are also confused at the decisions made by the board. I for one, am very proud of the support that we have shown so far.
We all seem to agree that a statement needs to be made. But it has to be a UNITED one. A fully televised march would allow us to show Ashley that his dictatorial stance will not be accepted, whilst it will also allow us our right to see Newcastle play. I think it is right that we should not be denied that. Using the march we could organise visual protests within the ground which the media will in no doubt jump upon for their own means, but which cannot and will not be ignored by Ashley on holiday.
Ande
(posted this on an earlier thread)
9 aussie magpie // Sep 7, 2008 at 12:40
I am sure you have all read about his night out in new york, spending 125,000 pounds on alcohol.
so he thinks it is ok to spend as much money as he likes on gambeling and a drinking, but the welfare of our cub dosen’t matter to him.
sell up you stupid fat cockney to someone who actually cares about our football club!
10 Black and White Blood // Sep 7, 2008 at 12:40
Who is the Director of Football…? I don’t recall the club appointing a Director of Football..!
http://www.petitiononline.com/DWMANUFC/petition.html
11 graeme // Sep 7, 2008 at 12:41
How can you tell Mike Ashley is lying????
Because his bloody mouth is moving.
His statement completely contradicts his own previous statements; statements by the Dwarf; statements by the Chairman of the Club, Chris Mort.
Hes talking through his backside.
12 Legs // Sep 7, 2008 at 12:43
hes wasting his breath really, it seems everyone has their mind made up on the matter.
Mr Ashley is fighting a losing battle.
I wish keegan could have adapted to the system cause I reckon we have a pretty rockin’ team with the new signings. Even he banged on about them being quality.
13 Mark // Sep 7, 2008 at 12:43
ahhh adding more fuel to the fire ed. you blogged about this yesterday so why repost it again
14 mozza // Sep 7, 2008 at 12:45
this is just regurgitated pish printed up by a sub-standard red top comic, it is trying to look like it has the real story when it is just working of yesterdays statement. If we apply enough pressure ashleys position will become untenable imo, i think he may sell up as quickly as next week, although this does weaken his position to get the most for the club if he wants a quick way out
15 IanG // Sep 7, 2008 at 12:45
Ashley has no honour. Total liar. I can only imagine that he is attempting to undermine Keegans case.
He is too thick and insensitive to understand the animosity and strength of feeling on Tyneside. But he’ll only realise it if fans stay away from the match on Saturday.
“He won’t back down” Really? - he’ll crumble like a condemmed building if he sees the ground half full.
Imagine the wrath of a whole footbacll club against you. He must be absolutely crapping himself now.
16 beyethegreat // Sep 7, 2008 at 12:45
legs i partly agree but i think wise tried to sell owen and barton
17 scott9 // Sep 7, 2008 at 12:46
asahley has no idea wot he is doing game shud be interesting on saturday i will be in the away stand unfortunatley as hull city r my first team cause i live in hull and i think we will take all 3 points if we hav everyone fit e.g boeteng king gardener
18 mozza // Sep 7, 2008 at 12:46
good articulate post ande
19 Magpie4ever // Sep 7, 2008 at 12:47
I’d be worried that a peaceful march through town could descend into chaos. Mass volumes of people, alcohol, anger & a large police presence are a recipe for disaster. You’ll always have an element who want conflict and the last thing we need now is the fans potrayed as thugs causing bedlam.
Boycott Ashley’s shops, wave white hankies, turn and face the back of the stadium for the first 5 minutes of the Hull game but don’t stay away entirely!! The players need us now and we need to beat Hull City to give us a reason to smile again!
20 Black and White Blood // Sep 7, 2008 at 12:49
IanG - I agree, please please BOYCOTT one game, I hate to say it but I want Hull to win so that the pressure intensifies on Ashley!
http://www.petitiononline.com/DWMANUFC/petition.html
21 Michael12 // Sep 7, 2008 at 12:51
I agree with Ashley. It is contractual and if this is the case then because we have heard what happens at Newcastle, perhaps this happens at all other clubs but managers are contracted not to let it be known.
Keegan on the other hand came out and communicated with the media.
22 hadrian // Sep 7, 2008 at 12:53
if mike is digging his heels in and refusing to sell, he obviously is more concerned about his bottom line than the club .
none of the supporters want to see him stick around , he’s prepared to gamble more on roullete in a season than he is prepared to invest in newcastle aswell .
who benefits here as its not the supporters ?
if he was putting the club before his personal gain he would sell up and put newcastle into the hands of someone prepared to spend the cash needed to take this club forward .
23 F T Maxwell // Sep 7, 2008 at 12:54
“when are we hoihn to stop being a joke.
Theres this rubbish gng on, the fact thatr everyone thinks we sthink we can win the league, the 13 yr old kids high on sugar and wat else being interviewed embarssing us.”
Learning to write and spell correctly might help!
Boycoutt indeedy!
24 KevinHann // Sep 7, 2008 at 12:55
Black and White Blood - Keep up the good work, I’d like to see 10,000 till 15th
And fellow fans - play John Farnham’s You’re the Voice and FEEL IT!!!
If I can be useful with anything from Bulgaria, feel free to contact me - skype is kevinhann
25 Michael // Sep 7, 2008 at 12:55
Surely this statement is the clearest sign yet that Ashley will sell up. If he planned to stay he would be attempting to build bridges with the fans, but instead he is making us loathe him more by slagging of Keegan. How could that possibly help anything?
26 Fans Should Own the Club // Sep 7, 2008 at 12:57
Just found this article that already has Keegan hitting back.
http://www.inthenews.co.uk/sports/football/sport/football-clubs/newcastle-united/keegan-hits-back-against-newcastle-assertions-$1239546.htm
FANS SHOULD OWN THE CLUB.
27 ande // Sep 7, 2008 at 12:58
Michael12 - oh I get it. Its not right for Keegan to break an agreement to keep silent. But its ok for Ashley to break an agreement to keep silent about Milner transfer request?
Hmmmmmmmm
28 Legs // Sep 7, 2008 at 12:58
Beyethegreat, if wise did try to sell Owen and Barton behind kevs back then that does destroy the trust….
but, Ashley came out and said his plan was to be like arsenal. I bet we all thought “whey, I’m down with that shiz’nit”.
Would arsenal ever have owen taking up all the wage resources? would they have barton getting paid 60 grand or whatever he is on. From what I understand arsenals best don’t even get that much.
I’m not backing Ashley, but i can see both sides fo’sho.
29 ronjohno // Sep 7, 2008 at 13:00
There are always two sides to a story but one thing is clear this attack and counter-attack is doing no one any favours.
Both parties are going to fight and try and hold their ground.
I can only go by what experience I have seen of both parties and if it is a question of “who do I believe” then it would have to be KK.
I do bear in mind though that none of us are perfect , I do not know and neither do any of you if KK can also be economic with the truth.
I still remember how upset I was the last time he left us and still do not fully understand why he did nor the reasons why he had threatened a few times even before that.
In short I do choose to believe KK but that does not mean I am right to do so.
Of course we as supporters are an integral part of the picture but at the end of the day it is NUFC and what happens on the pitch which I believe is the most important thing here and we should not lose sight of that fact.
30 Guinea Mag // Sep 7, 2008 at 13:00
It would be appropriate for MA to come out and make a public statement about Newcastle United and future of our famous club. Since Chris Mort left the club, we’ve had no figurehead we can associate with to any degree of confidence!
The name of Newcastle United even in places such as Guinea is ridiculed; i.e. a laughing stock around the globe.
MA please, for the sake of our club confirm your plan and ambition for the future of Newcastle United…….
I believe and hope the fans of Newcastle United will get behind the team against Hull City and future games as NUFC is bigger than one man!
31 dave v // Sep 7, 2008 at 13:02
Kevin knows Ashley is asset stripping the club and he is hell bent on making sure when he is forced to sell, and he has always intended to sell, that’s why he hasn’t’ put money into the team, he sells at a much lower profit.
Kevin wants an investor in who will make us a serious contender for the premiership, this is because he is a Newcastle supporter first and last.
32 lionel // Sep 7, 2008 at 13:03
I absolutely don’t want Hull to win. This is still a match for our season, hopefully this cr-p will have been sorted out long before the season ends and we will need these 3 points. Support the team and oppose the owners but support the team to win. A full stadium baying for Ashley’s blood and supporting the team would be incredible- use the St.James’ noise against Ashley. One empty stadium will not change his mind and the players can’t be expected to play without support for 1 game let alone more. Don’t boycott but sing your hearts out for the team and against Ashley.
33 Black and White Blood // Sep 7, 2008 at 13:06
ronjohno - Very true, however, I put the faith in the man I know cares about the club - You make your own mind up who that is!!!
http://www.petitiononline.com/DWMANUFC/petition.html
34 Fans Should Own the Club // Sep 7, 2008 at 13:07
Friends–
Protests, boycotts and new ownership are all good ideas to be considered and worked on at the beginning. And thanks to all who are working on them (HPS, notably–you’re busting your ass to make this march happen…)
But a new billionaire owner will be as unaccountable as the current and former money men. THEY JUST DON’T CARE ABOUT THE CLUB. They treat it as a cash machine–an investment in a business. The don’t care about what we care about.
During and after these immediate actions, we should think bigger and more creatively for the longer term.
I haven’t checked out this site fully, but it’s looks like the first big step in FAN OWNERSHIP. Please, check it out.
http://www.savenewcastle.com/index.html
Fan ownership is not a fairy tale. It’s done all over Europe and it can be done here.
Many respond to this by saying “We can’t afford 4,000 pounds for a membership,” but there must be other ways to get mass memberships–perhaps memberships at different price levels.
No more unaccountable money men.
FANS SHOULD OWN THE CLUB.
35 Nick // Sep 7, 2008 at 13:09
Now the dust has settled just a little, perhaps we need to view things a bit more rationally and objectively, rather than take the stereotypical, biased, everything is black and white Geordie standpoint.
1) Ashley does come across as a repulsive,couldn’t care less, obese slob. Just ask Sports Direct shareholders.
2) However, I have to say I do think KK was losing it. He just didn’t seem ”to get” the profile of scouting young emerging talent who were hungry and not on huge wages. Not sick note has - beens on ludicrous wages. We already have an army of those.
Who would really be that upset if Smith, Duff, Barton and Owen all departed with their massively overblown egos and sky high wages?
Players revolt - what a joke. Nobody would pay them the same wages as us and they’d all lose their signing off fees. Ain’t going to happen.
That s what worried me about Kev this time around as well. Not just the players he was looking to bring in, but the ones he wanted to keep.
3) Thirdly KK doesn’t appear to be able to or be interested in developing youth talent. If Ambani does come in, I am still worried about who KK would bring in.
Wise may have been a truly dispicable player, but he does seem connected and personally I am very happy with Spiderman and Collocini - and the likes of Kadar etc,- absolute quality signings.
36 reillers // Sep 7, 2008 at 13:14
Ashley’s got a shovel and he just keeps digging and digging himself deeper and deeper in to a hole.
Every word that isn’t “I’m selling the club” keeps making it worse for himself with every word and statement that comes out of the club. There is very little that they can say that will make an ounce of a difference. The damage is done.
I do think though that if he’s not going to sell the club, then we have to, as unjust as it is, accept that Keegan isn’t coming back and there’s still football to be played, the Premiership wont wait for us. They might sympathise but football waits for know one. We need to accept what’s happened and move on.
37 Gordon // Sep 7, 2008 at 13:14
This is just getting ridiculous now.
You’d think the grown up thing to do would be for both sides to admit they might have acted rashly, reassert their respective responsibilities, learn from this and move on.
The problem is, it seems MA doesn’t want to keep to his original agreement to allow KK the final say in buying and selling.
I’m not totally sure why that is.
MA just seems to be digging himself into a deeper hole all the time and I really wonder if his image can ever be restored in the eyes of Newcastle supporters now.
38 beyethegreat // Sep 7, 2008 at 13:15
fans should own the club what type of money would it take for your plan to succeed
39 Black and White Blood // Sep 7, 2008 at 13:20
Nick - Bollocks, the manager must be allowed to manage. Keegan’s head was on the block if the team didn’t perform, not Dennis Wise - Get real, honestly, it’s people like you that personify the term fickle - You’re a joke!
http://www.petitiononline.com/DWMANUFC/petition.html
40 Legs // Sep 7, 2008 at 13:21
woo Nicks got it!
41 HATE PRAWN SANDWICHES // Sep 7, 2008 at 13:23
this is know longer about Kevin Keegan its about the fans and how our club is run!!! do we want a fan beer guzzling up his own arse owner who doesn’t give a Sh!te!! NO!! IM FIGHTING FOR THE CLUB AND FANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
42 ed_speed // Sep 7, 2008 at 13:26
‘mon the lads
43 HATE PRAWN SANDWICHES // Sep 7, 2008 at 13:27
that was ment to say FAT BEER GUZZLING
44 ashleys wallets cobwebs // Sep 7, 2008 at 13:29
HATE PRAWN SANDWICHES
ill e mail all the local press and tell them about the protest, need the details first though. get in touch with me and ill help any way i can, wchaplowgroundworks@yahoo.co.uk
45 51times // Sep 7, 2008 at 13:31
Michael12, Nick = Butthurt Ashley Defence Force
46 Black and White Blood // Sep 7, 2008 at 13:31
HPS - Excellent, 100% correct, well said! I can’t for the life of me see how anyone can support Ashley and his cohorts, our club is dying under them!
http://www.petitiononline.com/DWMANUFC/petition.html
47 Fans Should Own the Club // Sep 7, 2008 at 13:32
beyethegreat–it’s not my plan to be honest.
I’ve been on the blog rattling on for days about how we should own this club and trying to urge people to support the idea.
That site I’m linking to is not my site. It’s just the first serious-looking attempt to get fan ownership going that I’ve seen, so I’m linking to it.
THEIR plan looks like 200 pound memberships.
http://www.savenewcastle.com/7.html
Again–this is not my site nor is it my plan. It’s the first I’ve seen that looks serious.
Anybody know other plans?
FANS SHOULD OWN THE CLUB.
48 Coloccini's Curls // Sep 7, 2008 at 13:33
I have given up my job at Sports Direct because of Ashley!!!!
Anyone else who works there should do the same!!!
Also do not buy from there WE ARE FUNDING ASHLEYS BOOZE PARTYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Fat Slob!!!
49 Nick // Sep 7, 2008 at 13:35
Black and white blood. You fit the stereotype perfectly. The ability to take a balanced and considered view obviously not your forte. Fickle is someone who can jump from one opinion to the other just like that. I think you are using the word slightly out of context, ironic as that may seem.
50 Black and White Blood // Sep 7, 2008 at 13:37
Coloccini’s Curls - I’ve had to cancel you signature on the petition as a result of the name you used, we need to be taken seriouse - Please sign it again mate, but use your real name - Thanks for your support mate!
http://www.petitiononline.com/DWMANUFC/petition.html
51 Nick // Sep 7, 2008 at 13:38
Ah 51 times.
where would we be without your rapier wit .
52 ed_speed // Sep 7, 2008 at 13:39
nick go home (if you have one).
you have this shrivelled up view, simular to a dried fig, that makes your attitude thourully inpleasent.
do something useful.
regards,
ed
53 ed_speed // Sep 7, 2008 at 13:40
nick, your like an airbag; your just full of air, but you have no fight.
regard,
ed
54 HATE PRAWN SANDWICHES // Sep 7, 2008 at 13:43
COBWEBS - we need to get some legal advice!!
the demonstration will be held on 13/09/2008 through the newcastle city centre, starting from central station meeting up with fans at 12 noon
the route which will be taken:
central station onto grainger street to the monument up Northumbland street past the Haymarket, percy street up to SJP!!
we will set off at 12.30pm
this is a peaceful demo only
protesting against the way NUFC is run, demonstrating against Mike Ashley and the clubs board!!
we are hoping for as many supporters as possible with in the region of 3 -5,ooo????
hope we can get this off the ground!!!
thats all I know myself!!! Thanks cobs!!!
55 51times // Sep 7, 2008 at 13:43
Nick - You’d have one less person to look down on and feel superior to.
56 SAMTHECAT // Sep 7, 2008 at 13:45
Report what?-hello Dennis by the way we won 2-0 on Saturday-Report what?
It was made crystal clear that KK would have the final say on players in/out, when the players Keegan wanted were not what the Board wanted the Board basically overrode that agreement.
The most damning thing though is the fact that the transfer budget was 12m! not a lot from a bloke worth 700m in cash.
57 xfer // Sep 7, 2008 at 13:46
All this is driving all of us crazy… We need this sorted asap.
58 Black and White Blood // Sep 7, 2008 at 13:52
Nick – You are incorrect, I’m happy to engage in a balanced and fair debate where I believe it is appropriate. It is obvious your comments were posted with a sole intention of instigating as well as provoking loyal and dedicated fans.
It is true, I do not suffer fools, such you. If you feel as strong about Ashley and his cohort remaining at the club as we do about their removal, I suggest you establish a petition. We have over 4,000 signatures calling for their removal..!
http://www.petitiononline.com/DWMANUFC/petition.html
59 Gordon // Sep 7, 2008 at 13:55
Nick,
I don’t think many people are arguing with the policy of bringing in young, keen, possibly undiscovered players. But that needs to be balanced with more experienced players too (and those will, I’m afraid, cost more to buy and keep).
The thing is, the manager has to put the team together and he needs the final say on who’s bought and sold (which was the original agreement KK had that MA seems to have reneged on).
A DoF can indeed work, but he needs to be able to work well with the manager and, I believe, be subordinate to the manager’s decisions.
I certainly agree that Coloccini, Gutierrez & Guthrie were decent purchases but I really do think we should keep Owen. He won’t have wanted injuries any more than we wanted him to have them and, when he’s played, he’s played pretty well for us.
I’d want to add a couple more ‘big names’ to the squad too if I was manager and then I’d surround them with younger, up-coming players like Jonas, Zog, Martins and such.
What I wouldn’t want as manager though is my DoF telling me who he’s bought and leaving me to like it or lump it, handling the pressure from fans and the owner to bring in some success.
60 Waddle's mullet // Sep 7, 2008 at 13:56
Poyet getting hammered on betting.
61 ed_speed // Sep 7, 2008 at 13:57
nick.
regards,
ed
p.s ‘mon the lads
62 HATE PRAWN SANDWICHES // Sep 7, 2008 at 13:58
what we should also have in this protest / demonstration is a well known face or at least a head person from a newcastle fans site ie mcdonald, etc
63 Black and White Blood // Sep 7, 2008 at 13:58
Seriously, can someone please clarify this for me….
Who is the Director of Football…? I don’t recall the club appointing a Director of Football..!
http://www.petitiononline.com/DWMANUFC/petition.html
64 Dan13 // Sep 7, 2008 at 13:59
HPS you be the main man
65 ObaFan2 // Sep 7, 2008 at 14:01
There must be quotes from the club that prove the statement issued yesterday and Ashleys response are total lies.
KK has the help of Bevan @ the LMA and he had been advised all the way this week, the contracts must have been scrutinised by lawyers and there must be truth in KK’s statement.
I remember on numerous occasions NUFC saying KK had the final say over transfer dealings.
There must be enough eveidence to prove that this has not happened. It’s a legal arguement now and Ashleys statements now will not help him.
We as fans should unite and RUN THIS SCUM OUT OF THE CITY, SELL UP AND F OFF.
66 Toon1978 // Sep 7, 2008 at 14:01
Watch and think lads. This could be the last we see of this in a long time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3ayRoUkWaE&feature=related
67 HATE PRAWN SANDWICHES // Sep 7, 2008 at 14:01
dan13 i’ll be there! but it would look better if we had a famous newcastle face!!
68 Craigg // Sep 7, 2008 at 14:01
News of the world go beyond usual dross this week with a classic article on KK and the Club.
Apparently according to our old friend the club source:
KK apparently told the club he had spoken to Lampard, Henry and Beckham and they all wanted to join, What probably happened was he said if you sell Owen, Barton and Smith i want better players and mentioned those names tongue in cheek.
As i dont doubt that Ashley offered those players to clubs and i very much doubt KK would have been allowed to replace them at the short notice given
Also he was asked by the club to suggest a new centre half and he said Woodgate, Dunne and Hyypia 3 top notch experienced premiership defenders to which the NOTW made a joke about his lack of football knowedge as the club wanted someone who would have resale value and commended KK on also naming Anton Ferdinand!! So in Ashleys logic we should buy average crap who we can sell on instead of quality who can improve the team.
Ferdinand apparently turned us down because Rio ferdinand was unimpressed with KK while he was England boss, Maybe a more fitting Example would have been his cousin Les Ferdinand who had two years under KK but as Sir Les doesnt have a bad word to say about Keegan he wouldnt have worked to sensationalise their total BullS*it.
It goes on and pretty much makes the club out to smell of roses and makes good respected football men like Keegan and Cox look like idiots.
ED how can you write for a paper that employs lying scum and repeatedly tries to unsettle and upset our club, players and fans.
69 ed_speed // Sep 7, 2008 at 14:09
notw.
says it all really.
regards,
ed
p.s ‘mon the lads
.
70 geordie bulldog // Sep 7, 2008 at 14:09
collocini and spiderman are good signings but ithink this is where the structure worked jiminez would have found these and asked kk yes or no and he would have giving jimenez the nod
where as xisco and nacho don t think keegan would have even been considered in these signings
71 Brave New Toon // Sep 7, 2008 at 14:13
nick.
Only the weak minded are swayed by propaganda..your views are not ‘balanced’ they are influenced.. and your views show a complete failure to aacept the facts theat we are given, and the views of respected real football pro’s.
I.e: Alan Shearer, Alan curbishly, Harry Redknapp.
Notw has a discusting, story today,.. aimed at swaying the view balance towards Ashly and wise camp.
Keegan only interested in lampard etc… nonsence.. You’d think he has no knowledge of football. He’s one the the most experianced and successful English manager’s. With a outstanding record in the transfer market.
Stinks of ‘Southern propaganda’.. I ask again nick.. a answer would be appriciated:
What qualifies’ Wise to be a director of football? what qualifies Ashly to make desisions in the running of nufc? What qualifys lambias to sit as the chairman, and make footballing desicions over keegans head?
72 ObaFan2 // Sep 7, 2008 at 14:13
This is my point, the LMA is aware of the facts and previous publications which are now deemed outright lies:
06/09/08
Richard Bevan, LMA chief executive, said:
“Kevin Keegan’s chief complaint, amongst others, is that it was always agreed that the director of football could not impose a player that the manager did not want. This agreement has been broken and, notwithstanding the fact that the chairman at the time of Kevin Keegan’s appointment, the director of football and the owner of Newcastle United, have confirmed previously in public meetings and publications, that he would always have the final say.”
Kevin Keegan said:
“At the time at which I joined Newcastle United Football Club it was made very clear to me that I would have the final say on player movement in and out of the club.”
The following quotes are reproduced from published articles:
In the Evening Chronicle (Newcastle) on 1st February this year, Newcastle United’s executive director of football, Dennis Wise, said: “I am here to help Kevin as much as possible with bringing young players through and also recommending certain players to him. He will say yes or no. He has the final word. No-one else. I am not going to do things like bring players in behind his back. I am not into that. Everything that happens will be run past him and he will say yes or no.”
We need to get this owner out now and force him to sell, lies are NOT and NEVER will be accepted by NUFC fans.
73 The Entertainers // Sep 7, 2008 at 14:13
I see Keegans hit back with another statement, basically stating he WOULD have the last say in comings and goings.
Lets see if the club in its wisdom decide to throw together another thoughtless, childish statement theirselves and provoke another backlash from the fans……or for once do you think they may have learnt a lesson? ha ha
Mr Llambias you can borrow my daughters crayon if you want to start a draft!
74 Nick // Sep 7, 2008 at 14:14
Thanks Gordon, someone who isn’t as cerebrally challenged as some on here.
Ed Speed if you were literate, I would attempt a reply.
thourully inpleasent.???????? What the hell is that?
Black and white blood - possibly not just hurling random abuse at anyone who is trying to see an alternative to the worst case sceanario of Ashley NOT selling up, might get you a bit further in life. Worth a try and you would come across as less of a charmless, knuckle dragger. How you type is beyond me.
I love KK, but didn’t most people want Smith out and really didn’t want Anton Ferdinand in or was that my imagination. Now Black and white blood that’s what I call fickle.
Hey 55 times I understand buddy, you have issues.
75 ed_speed // Sep 7, 2008 at 14:16
by the way (btw) the lma fellow has a number where you can contact him on.
regards,
ed
76 ed_speed // Sep 7, 2008 at 14:17
nick, go on, make an attempt, you german cheese owner.
77 ronjohno // Sep 7, 2008 at 14:21
Dont believe a word about Lampard or Beckham.
However KK in his Radio Newcastle interview when asked which player he would like at NUFC he did say someone “like” Henry.
To be honest I would not mind having Henry here NOWand do not think KK was “in another world” for wanting him.
78 Spyro // Sep 7, 2008 at 14:22
Nick dont bother, there is no room for common sense on this site
79 Marty // Sep 7, 2008 at 14:22
BLACK N WHITE
How can it help yhe club and players to not show up at Hull?????
That just shows we aint the best supporters.
I`l support them through thick(MA) and thin
80 ObaFan2 // Sep 7, 2008 at 14:25
Black and White Blood , so far atleast a dozen friends confirm they have signed the petition, I have now e-mailed everyone in my e-mail address book and texted everyone in my phone with the details.
I hope more will do this.
81 Sav // Sep 7, 2008 at 14:25
Ok. So now we have proof that they are a bunch of liars…now what?
Ashley ‘likes to park his tanks on other people’s lawns to get what he wants’. A memorable quote from the time of the club’s acquisition by Ashley.
So we are going to have to ‘play hardball’ to ‘encourage him to leave. The best way is to boycott anything that will either hit him in the pocket directly, eg. Don’t buy any extra tickets, refreshments, programmes or tat, or, indirectly, by creating such a stink that his chain of Sports Direct, Lillywhites etc. stores come under scrutiny by association with him.
Suggestions, please.
82 Brave New Toon // Sep 7, 2008 at 14:26
obafan 2.. great post.. thanks for reinterating some facts.
Nick you just proved my point.. Who say’s we wanted Anton Ferdinand? notw, daily mail, daily mirror???
Notw reports we wanted him but he wouldn’t come.. take a fu**cking pill mate.. he’s at Sunderland now!!
You try and belittle other posters, with a supposed ’superier intelligence and grasp of english!, but your arguments are truely flawed.. and ‘un intelligent’ is that ironic??!…
go to st james on sat, sit in the gallogate and cheer for Ashly if you want.. you’ll get the same reaction there as you do on this blog
83 bill // Sep 7, 2008 at 14:28
Nick, I’m a great believer in looking at what people do and not what they say.
Mike Ashley has no track record in football matters whatsoever. His appointments from Dennis Wise to the Casino manager just seem to be mates of his. I have no real gripe about Dennis Wise other than the fact that in my opinion he should have reported to KK, not the other way around. From what I can gather from MA’s history, is that he is a speculator that buys and sells shares in companies to make a quick profit. I think that NUFC are just such a case.
He was held in some esteem in Newcastle because he brought back KK . However, when KK told him that his huge publicly claimed ambitions for the club was nonsense when we didn’t have the players in place to achieve this.
What is going on here, is that Ashley was claiming to be our saviour and he deceived most by buying them pints and wearing the shirt.
He is said to have cleared most of the debt, I don’t know if this is true or not. Anyway, this is Mike Ashley’s history.
What about KK. Do I really need to say anything about KK and NUFC. He brought us massive success as a player and a manager. He made some fantastic buys, Rob Lee, Alan Shearer, Les Ferdinand, etc. He bought one or two donkeys but I don’t remember many expensive ones. He wears his heart on his sleeve and as far as I can tell he has always been totally honest with us.
Frankly, comparing the two men is a waste of time. MA is a greedy bastard who is only in the business to make money. KK is an honourable man who really cares about our club.
Look at the deeds not the words.
84 The Entertainers // Sep 7, 2008 at 14:28
Nick
you seem a resonable man, so i’m will put another point of view across:
First and foremost the new signings appear to be fantastic, all of them.
Now according to rumour the only one Kev wanted was Guthrie, now he certainly fits the up and coming prospect we all want at SJP, not just Ashley.
As for some of his other potential signings, Henry and Beckham. Granted they wouldnt have had much sell on value, but one or two very good and experienced players in amongst the youth would benefit all and wouldnt it set the place alight. Think of the revenue Ashley would have brought in from shirts and other periphery sales!
Regarding the players he wanted to keep, all of the names you mentioned were great players. Granted hit rough times but Keegan is the only manager i know of who could get those players back to there best, look at Duff!
I dont think Kev was losing it!
He just thought along different lines to Wise /Ashley and wanted experienced pros along the potential. Now whats wrong with that?
As for developing youth, its not really his job. His priority is the 1st team and the youth set is in charge of youth development. Lets face it if the youth players were good enough they would force their way into Keegans thoughts.
As for the Indian, bring him on and Keegan with him.
But they are just my thoughts bud and this blog is for everyone take on things, including ones that go against the majority.
85 DH7 MAGS // Sep 7, 2008 at 14:28
PLEASE EVERYONE. AS WELL AS THE HULL GAME, I THINK WE SHOULD BOYCOTT THE SPURS GAME ALSO. EVERYONE HAS TO PAY FOR THEIR TICKETS IN ANYCASE, IF NOBODY GOES FAT ASH WILL LOSE OUT BIG TIME. JUST THINK, HIT HIM HARD IN HIS POCKET, DO NOT BUY ANYTHING FROM HIS CHAINS OF STORES, CLUB SHOPS, SHEARERS OR BARS NEXT TO SJP, FOOD IN THE GROUND AND OUTSIDE IS BANNED ALSO AS FAR AS AM CONCERNED. HE IS A LYING FAT GET, WHO IS DOING THIS TO TRY AND TURN US AGAINST KK, WHEN KK HAS BEEN UNDERMINED. ASHLEY F OFF. LETS HOPE THIS RELIANCE GROUP DOES DO WHAT THE PRESS IS SAYING IT IS GOING TO DO. AL BE WELL HAPPY.
86 Nick // Sep 7, 2008 at 14:29
Brave new toon.
How does anyone know the full facts.
All any of us know is what we can sermise from the media. Unless you are the mystery toon insider.
I’m sure I heard KK say he wanted to keep and support Smith barton etc.
Ed speed. Thank god you’re back at school tomorrow. I guess ultimately it’s true what everyone says about you.
87 JJ // Sep 7, 2008 at 14:29
Black and White Blood,
This petition is only going to be noticed if we get the numbers up to around 10 000.
I have posted it on the Facebook group:
“Mike Ashley Out”
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=26211573946
There are loads of groups of this nature, I suggest posting it on all of them… with a message to pass the link on.
Good work though
88 ed_speed // Sep 7, 2008 at 14:33
“what everyone says about you”.
know one says anything about me. but people say alot about you behind your back.
i am not going to rise to your childish insults.
regards,
ed
89 Keegan is our king // Sep 7, 2008 at 14:34
Don’t want to be the bearer of bad news but it appears Gus Poyet is our new manager, bookmakers have suspended betting after attempts were made to place very large bets.
Expect something some guys
90 Nick // Sep 7, 2008 at 14:37
Ed - you just did!!!!!!!!!!!
91 oneputt // Sep 7, 2008 at 14:39
I have to say i am appalled by the attitude of some so called fans on here. Regardless of what has gone on this past week I never want the team to lose any match. The real fans of this great club all want the same thing…..a winning team!
Also, i feel that if Zola came as manager that he would do a great job.
In an ideal world though this indian dude would buy fat boy out and bring back the legend KK.
92 Brave New Toon // Sep 7, 2008 at 14:39
nick
yes, he wanted to keep smith and barton.. thats HIS decision he was the manager.. and knows a lot more about the players than we do.. like ‘Entertainers’ points out they were/are both great premier players,. If KK thought he could have them playing at their best in a toon shirt then thats up to him.. and i for one would had have faith in him doing just that.
Frther more please read post 69 and offer a answer (anybody!)
93 DH7 MAGS // Sep 7, 2008 at 14:39
JJ i have done the same mate. the more we make people aware, hopefully the more will sign it. i have notified alan oliver, lee ryder at the chronicle and also the sun paper, nial and biffa also no and they hopefully will put somet on nufc.com. lets hopefully get more than 10,000 by the hull game, really i would like 52,000
94 oneputt // Sep 7, 2008 at 14:41
Also, God i really loathe william gallas!!!!!
95 ed_speed // Sep 7, 2008 at 14:42
nock, as a certain M. jackson once said.
BEAT IT.
regards,
ed
96 Nick // Sep 7, 2008 at 14:45
Brave new toon,
I’ve been going to the gallowgate for 40 years.
I do not claim to be superior, But I like to think I can see the bigger picture and can think for myself, not just act sheeplike, with blind faith.
Yes I am very sad what has happened, but if Ashley won’t sell, come up with a Plan B that is at least constructive. Yes Ashley may cave in. What if he doesn’t. Have you honestly thought about that?
A civil answer for a change might be nice.
97 ed_speed // Sep 7, 2008 at 14:45
*nick
98 Nick // Sep 7, 2008 at 14:46
Ed you couldn’t even get that right first time. You are way too easy son.
99 ObaFan2 // Sep 7, 2008 at 14:47
Nick , plan B is simple, DO NOT buy any merchandise, purchase drinks, food etc from the ground and boycott all of Ashley’s shops……. for starters.
100 B and W in Singapore // Sep 7, 2008 at 14:50
see Wikepedia/dennis wise
reference 27 from NUFC official website
“kevin will be responsible for all matters relating to the first team”
101 ed_speed // Sep 7, 2008 at 14:50
nick your causing havoc on here.
please, stop the wind up posts.
i’m sure your actually a sensible guy, but your really not showing that at the moment.
regards,
ed
102 Brave New Toon // Sep 7, 2008 at 14:54
Nick,.
I like to think that all my answers are civil, (again your showing remarkable ‘front’ saying that to me after i’ve just read your reply’s and answers to other posters questioning your views, : ed speed, 51 times etc)
Anyway yes I’ve thought of that and firmly believe that the tenure of the club under the current regime is completely untennable.. and there for there is no plan B.
If you could offer a sustained argument as to why the current board are qualified to run our club, then please do.
Until then, I share the same view as 99.9% of the dedicated Mag’s.. life long supporters, a tradition handed down by generations..
Ashly, Wise, Lambias OUT.,
103 ed_speed // Sep 7, 2008 at 14:55
nick is probably “fans should own the club”
104 JJ // Sep 7, 2008 at 14:57
Nick just because we are in the majority in our feelings doesnt mean we are sheep.
You have you opinion and I have mine, so do others. The vast majority have the opinion that Kevin Keegan should have the right to make his decision as manager as to which players he wants and not be undermined.
Otherwise what is the point of appointing him.
Basically, the system is going to displease any manager and although the players brought in look fairly decent, it could have somethingto do with the style of play under Keegan which allows players to flourish and the confidence he gives them.
105 Michael12 // Sep 7, 2008 at 14:58
The people looking to protest are stupid. Newcastle united is Mike Ashley’s club. He owns it. We the fans are stakeholders by choice. No one forced you or I to follow or support Newcastle.
By Newcastle being Mike Ashley’s property, he is entitled to run the club as he sees fit.
It would be profoundly irresponsible to prance around Newcastle city mouthing doggerel you barely understand.
Keegan left by his own choice. He had two options, A hard one and an easy one, he took the easy option. Boo hooo! He left you not “was taken away” he left you!
Newcastle fans have a reputation of being as thick as pig S&*T. Do your selves a favor and do not embarrass yourselves any further please.
106 Black and White Blood // Sep 7, 2008 at 15:00
Marty – Sorry, I don’t agree – I believe in tough love. Speaking metaphorically, if my mum was an alcoholic and was killing herself as a result of drinking, I wouldn’t continue to buy her alcohol as a result of her enjoying it, otherwise I would be contributing to her eventual demise. Like wise with Newcastle United, this club is my life, I am so proud to be called a fan – However, I can not continue to stand and watch the club die, I need to feel uncomfortable, I need to stand back and react for the greater good of the club. Taking the easy option isn’t always best, yes I could go into the ground and watch the game, do you really believe Ashley will be there. Yes, I want a Hull victory, not because I don’t support NUFC, but I feel this would intensify the pressure on Ashley and eventually forcing his hand to sell up, which would be for the grater to of the club over the long term.
Nick – I’m a grown man and I apologise if I have stooped to immature name calling. It is unbecoming, furthermore, displaying an inappropriate image to the wised footballing community. Although I do not agree with your opinion, I accept you are intitled to this.
ObaFan2 – Mate, seriously, you’ve been a huge help in promoting this petition. Your help is deeply appreciated.
JJ – Brilliant, thank you..!
107 JJ // Sep 7, 2008 at 15:01
Michael 12 - if thats is your opinion - YOU ARE NOT A FAN!!!!!!!
Mike Ashley owns the BUSINESS, the CLUB belongs to those who create it…
That is the fans and the true FANS are not happy with what is going on.
108 Desmond - GoalSnip.com // Sep 7, 2008 at 15:02
I always think KK is the one that would bring Newcastle to tthe top.
And Ashley said KK agreed his role before signing with NUFC. Of course it is a manager’s job to report to the director before signing a player, and I guess KK thought that way too.
However, it seems like Wise has his own plans and decided to go against KK everytime KK wanna buy a new player.
109 51times // Sep 7, 2008 at 15:02
Michael12 - Just f*ck off, this is a blog for Newcastle United supporters, not Ashley’s cronies and lapdogs.
110 ObaFan2 // Sep 7, 2008 at 15:03
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/newcastle_united/7213096.stm
29/01/08
and KK said:
“When Keegan was asked about reports linking him with a return to Newcastle as director of football under then-manager Sam Allardyce, he said: “It’s absolutely impossible to give Sam a job at Newcastle and then go and fetch someone who is going to be some sort of threat, it doesn’t work.
“Sam would be a fool to let it happen and the guy who goes in would be a fool to accept it.
“The chairman, who is not a fool, would be a fool to go and do it, too. It doesn’t work.”
So he said that last year but then in January he apparantly was aware that this would happen to him when he became manager @ SJP.
What a load of b******s, this club has misled KK and misled all the fans.
Ashley must go, sell up and go………….
111 JJ // Sep 7, 2008 at 15:03
Also, if you think leaving the club was an easy option for Kevin Keegan then you just add to my theory you are no fan of the club.
He fought with his frustrations for as long as he could.
112 Craigg // Sep 7, 2008 at 15:13
Black AndWhite Blood
If Gullits team had beaten the mackems in 99 we would have seen the back of Shearer and Lee and Bobby Robson would have retired.
It hurt like hell and still does but in the end it was best for the club that we lost.
A defeat against Hull and Jabba, Dopey and the others might skip off back to the land of pearly queens and chimneysweeps.
However heres hoping that we get bought out by these indian guys and the king comes back (again) we will then beat hull 3-0 with two for Owen and a Steven Taylor header.
113 SouthernMag // Sep 7, 2008 at 15:15
I agree with Nick, to a certain extent. I am aware that the press reports about Keegan wanted the likes of Lampard and Henry could as easily just be a load of rubbish, but Keegan must have been made it clear to him from taking over that there was a long term plan at the club. In his last spell in charge, Keegan took the club from the second division to title challengers in a few years. Today, that’s incredibly difficult, and Keegan was slightly arrogant in thinking it. I’m all for a continental approach at our club, it can work, and although I don’t think Ashley is right for us, I don’t want this Indian owner at our club. If we turn into City, my love affair with this club will decrease to a state where I become bored and disillusioned, as they abandon our academy and go for the quick route of buying players willy-nilly. If an owner, from home or abroad comes in who has the club’s best interests at heart, is realistic and understands the English game and wants to keep the traditionalists happy, then bring them in as soon as possible.
Keegan didn’t fit into the club’s structure, he acted as a puppet and succeeded in that respect, but now it’s time, if Ashley stays, to find someone who does fit into Ashley’s thinking. And if Ashley sells up, then Keegan is only the answer if we have an owner who wants to create a dream team like at City, which I don’t want.
114 ed_speed // Sep 7, 2008 at 15:15
enrique still has not got on the score sheet.
i’m tipping him for a goal against hull.
regards,
ed
115 Black and White Blood // Sep 7, 2008 at 15:15
Craigg - Thanks for your support mate, I thought I was the only one thinking along those lines!
116 Michael12 // Sep 7, 2008 at 15:16
Quite clearly you have no arguments to justify your remarks so you simply swear and accuse those who do not ignorantly follow mob reasoning. Give me an argument, 1 argument that justifies your actions and by law gives you a right to tell Mike Ashley how to run his club, his business?
I am a Newcastle united fan and it is as simple as that. Reason with yourselves.
Was Keeagn Sacked or did he resign?????
117 ed_speed // Sep 7, 2008 at 15:17
micheal.
go home.
do us all a favour.
118 Black and White Blood // Sep 7, 2008 at 15:22
To prevent further hostilities towards fellow fans, I will continue to converse with those of you who are Anti-Ashley and the Board. Furthermore, I will purposely ignore provocation from those of you who are Pro-Ashley.
http://www.petitiononline.com/DWMANUFC/petition.html
119 JJ // Sep 7, 2008 at 15:23
Michael, people have given very valid arguements why we feel Newcastle has become UNMANAGABLE by any self respecting man who does not performthe duties of a puppet.
You can use terms like Mob and Sheep to describe the majority however you really do need to accept their argument and that you may be wrong, or just rathe leave.
120 Michael12 // Sep 7, 2008 at 15:25
@Ed Speed. This is what I am talking about. People are not reasoning. Look at your response. No one can justify what they are talking about. Your emotions have overwhelmed you.
Think of the consequence of this proposed mass protest. Who suffers?
1. We make the club undesirable for players, the remarkable fan base they spoke of upon arrival is no more.
2. We are in the negative at the moment, protest by fans will put us further into the negative. We may not have much but why scorch the little we have in protest surely at the end we will have nothing.
Get over Keegan’s departure, the world does not stop spinning and the premiership still goes on.
Get a grip.
121 Michael12 // Sep 7, 2008 at 15:27
@ jj. Give me one argument. I have read entries since Keegan’s departure and have not seen 1. Not a single.
I challenge you to give me just 1.
If you cannot then no one is thinking straight about this.
122 Black and White Blood // Sep 7, 2008 at 15:28
JJ - Just checked out your facebook - Brilliant, Thank you!
I have a Kevin Keegan cut-out mask on the computer which I would like to distribute - can anyone upload this for people to download - Thanks
http://www.petitiononline.com/DWMANUFC/petition.html
123 ObaFan2 // Sep 7, 2008 at 15:30
I suggest you suffer from selective reading in that case then.
B&W Blood I’m with you I will in future let those in favour of Ashley have their view and opinions without my responding.
124 ice dog // Sep 7, 2008 at 15:31
black and blood i agree 110% ilike your comments, ive had over 55yrs as toon man,you respect other peoples opinion,you ASK people,you dont TELL people,i think bullying,does nothing, that was half the trouble at sjp,like all bullys they will fail
125 JJ // Sep 7, 2008 at 15:32
Michael, do you not see that Mike Ashley has contradicted himself by that official comment released by the NUFC Website.
He said Keegan would have final say, but it is clear he did not…
126 fostino // Sep 7, 2008 at 15:33
re: ed speed & 51 times
constantly the two of ye dismiss other peoples opinions, by telling them to ‘fu*k off’ or “go home’ for example, when ye dont agree with their opinion. i find it extremely rude, childish and unpleasent….i could go on!!
why not try to argue your points in a civil manner, without immediatly dismissing others. this is a newcastle united forum for toon fans. everyone is entitled to their say. obviously not everyone will share yer opinions, learn how to consider other peoples opinions and then make your point.
of course you can feel free to dismiss my advice, afterall who am i to tell anyone how to conduct there business, i just wish ye make a better effort to consider other peoples opinions that contrast to your own
im sure i can expect to recieve a severe backlash from ye and yer many fans for this post, but i stand by what i say!!
p.s i am by no means an ashley fan!!
127 Michael12 // Sep 7, 2008 at 15:33
This is just what I spoke of and it is becoming increasingly obvious with the remarks made by both Obafan and B&W blood.
The reason they refuse to correspond is because they have no argument. @JJ, if they had an argument they would simply post it rather that skulk away.
128 ObaFan2 // Sep 7, 2008 at 15:36
Michael, my final response as you address me, you claim to have read the comments on here since KK’s resignation, I believe you have not even read the comments from THIS post, try starting at post 72 before you address me again.
129 ObaFan2 // Sep 7, 2008 at 15:37
and I will add I have read every thread Ed has put before me in over 12 months and probably 95% of comments in that time.
130 IanG // Sep 7, 2008 at 15:38
To really hit Ashley where it hurts (in his pocket) not everyone needs to boycott the match (although I would like to see every true fan united) - it only takes a decent percentage.
Intelligent fans who have really cnsidered this know that this is the one action which Ashley will listen to. The fact is that there are a number of investors who would pay a fair price to acquire NUFC. But Ashley needs to be “encouraged” to sell otherwise he’ll hang on and I am sure that no one here really believes for one moment that he is good for the club.
If all Ashley hears is chanting for a couple of matches he’ll just shrug it off.
But pressurise him, let him see the headlines (because he won’t be at the match) the images of empty seats and he will cave in.
131 JJ // Sep 7, 2008 at 15:40
The argument is that it is quite clear Dennis Wise has the final say.
A manager needs a vision and a style of play and formation to build apon when he takes over a club. He needs to sign players which will fall into this category. He made his points about needing a left back. Yet we saw a number of decent left backs linked and none signed. We needed to bolster the squad. He assured fans no more players would be sold.
Yet, Milner left and nobody was brought in to replace them.
This is failure on the part of Wise and co and quite plainly Kevin felt he was left with a paper thin squad and a couple of players he know nothing/little about.
How can any self respecting manager continue to be thrust in front of the media (Ashley, Llambias and Wise have never communicated with the fans) to assure them over issues in which he had no control.
The system of first team affairs is a joke.
Bobby Robson agrees, Shearer agrees, Rob Lee, Lee Clarke, Barton, Ferdinand, Beardsley (these guys are all toon heros).
ARE THEY ALSO SHEEP????
132 ice dog // Sep 7, 2008 at 15:42
sorry my last comment was for black and white blood, its hard typeing at times with grand kids diveing about,sorry mate
133 Michael12 // Sep 7, 2008 at 15:42
@JJ. Firstly we knew that Ashley said he wanted an Arsenal Model, build from the ground up, I am sure here we can agree.
Secondly: We were to have a wage cap and we knew of this a long time ago, here I am sure we agree.
Thirdly: To find players who A) will fit within our wage policy; B) will be sold by their clubs within our budget; C) who are world class.
To satisfy all these conditions is near impossible without breaking either our wage policy, budget or to sacrifice the quality in the players we target.
We found the best players who satisfied the above conditions.
We have not seen these players yet and we have already concluded that we have not done much. We have only played three games and have 4 points. Surely time can tell if our buys are good or not??
134 lee // Sep 7, 2008 at 15:44
ed speed
you could start a fight in a room by your self….
can you just get behind cause and stop picking faults with everyone,,, as it seems you find someone then start acting like a child .
your hiar is to long, beat it.
how old are you anyway… have you got permition of your mam to be on here
135 ObaFan2 // Sep 7, 2008 at 15:47
JJ, Bobby Robson agrees, Shearer agrees, Rob Lee, Lee Clarke, Barton, Ferdinand, Beardsley (these guys are all toon heros). Very true and the list goes on.
We need some of these to help our cause, I spent a while chatting with John Anderson on Thursday and he totally agrees too however there are those who know better, (said with tongue in cheek) who are obviously more experienced in football club ownership/managementship.
Geordies will not stand for this situation and we will see this week and building up to Saturday how strong the feeling on Tynesdie really is.
136 normski1930z // Sep 7, 2008 at 15:47
http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/080215/Gangsters/Star-Wars-Jabba-the-Hutt_l.jpg…. ashley and wise…
137 Black and White Blood // Sep 7, 2008 at 15:48
Michael12 – I have no desire to argue with you, we are both supporters of our beloved club.
What is the manager judged on, what will cause him to loose his position…? The manager requires players he considers appropriate to his style of play or his methodology. A team may consist of the world’s best 11 individual players and not perform as a single entity as a result of varying conditions, not but least attitude, look at the might Real Madrid. I agree, a manager must work within certain financial constraints, furthermore I accept the argument of a recruitment team, although when I was young boy, these were called scouts and videos of recommended players would be fed back to the manager to view.
Michael, surly you agree that the manger must retain final say on player movements otherwise wise he’s a sitting duck. If this is the case, that where the club is failing.
The official statements distributed by the club, merely contradicts what they have argued previously. Of course this has contributed to fans unease. I would have no respect for a manager to take up the reins under such circumstances, would be no more than a puppet.
http://www.petitiononline.com/DWMANUFC/petition.html
138 JJ // Sep 7, 2008 at 15:54
Then Michael, Mike Ashley should have appointed Dennis Wise as manager and not KK i he did not trust himto make the decisions on who he brought in.
KK is not an idiot, he would have know the financial constraints, but as manager he should have the right to decide the players he had to work with.
You mention an Arsenal model… but we are not at all modelled like them. Wenger is the boss at Arsenal, that is quite clear. He has no Director of Football to answer to and he alone decides on who he brings into his senior set up.
Im sorry I dont see the point to are trying to argue.
139 Black and White Blood // Sep 7, 2008 at 15:55
ice dog - Thank you I appreciate you kind words!
140 Michael12 // Sep 7, 2008 at 16:00
@B&W blood. Agreed partially, a manager should have an influence on who comes in and out of the club. Where Milner was concerned in leaving despite Keegan wanting him to stay, If the player does not fit within the policy of the club, then there was nothing more anyone can do.
If we give into wage demands of Milner just james Milner then that is a license for all the players to start holding the club at ransomed with the “Pay me or lose me” quote.
Look at Chelsea, Lampard did this to them and is earning £140 a week, Look and Man united the wes brown Saga refusing to sign a contract because Ferdinand made much more than he did.
Without Policy we lose control. You must realise a player may love a club but they a managed by agents who are ruthless in dealings, the wage their player gets determines their slice.
We do not know for certain who Keegans targets were, if you know then please let us know. We need to understand if Keegan’s targets fit in our policy.
141 ObaFan2 // Sep 7, 2008 at 16:07
Michael12, still no rsponse to my factual post? post 72 I talk about if you didn’t read the latter post 2!!!!!
142 JJ // Sep 7, 2008 at 16:08
Yes very valid point Michael.
Look at Man U and Chelsea, they have lost complete control of their players. And they should be made examples of.
Just look at the disasterous history they have because of decisions like this and being held to ransom by players.
(please note sarcasm).
143 gorskino10 // Sep 7, 2008 at 16:17
HAHA love it he thinks putting this out will MAKE EVERY NUFC fan say ” oh it was KK fault were all sorry Ashley”
What a joke!!!!EVERY name being montioned to take over are all NOT ACCEPTABLE.
And once again its the fans who suffer :(, Ambani buy Ashley out plz and rehire KK this would give a HUGE lift to NUFC and the players.
ASHLEY OUT
BYCOTT HULL GAME EVERYONE (BUT BE OUTSIDE AT FRONT SHOWING OUR SUPPORT FOR KING KEV
144 Michael12 // Sep 7, 2008 at 16:22
@JJ. Consider how much Money United spent last season, consider how much Chelsea spent, Consider Liverpool £24 on torres alone, Lokkat Arsenal.
Arsenal finished 4 points behind united and 2 behind chelsea and finished ahead of liverpool.
Now my point is do you think that 4 points that United were ahead of Arsenal justified the significantly larger sum they spent? Or the 2 points that Chelsea finished ahead of Arsenal justified the milloins more spent in the ransfer windows and on the wages?? Arsenal pay Adebayor £80 a week but no other player is near this.
It show that Arsenal run far more efficiently than the other three title contenders.
Efficiency is important and this shows us just how wasteful the Man unites, Chelsea and Liverpools are. Arsenal are the only club on top of this to make a profit and actual overall profit even after paying for the stadium as they have to d every year.
This is what Mike Ashley wanted when he talked about following an Arsenal Model.
145 geordiejayne // Sep 7, 2008 at 16:25
Michael12
You say that some of the regulars on here do not let others speak. When in fact they do. They answer what has been wrote.
You are in denial of what the true facts are here.
1: Ashley bought the club and drank and sat with the fans - he wa