It Is A Fact That Newcastle Board Statements Contradictory

As if to try to ensure they are quite incompetent, the Newcastle Board’s statement, issued on Saturday evening, probably for the consumption of Sunday’s papers, contradicts previous statements on Kevin Keegan’s responsibilities for players from the club.

Mike Ashley – statements contradictory at best

Richard Bevan, chief executive of the League Managers’ Association, has spent much of the last week working with Keegan and is reported today in The Sun saying:

“It’s never been an issue that he wouldn’t work with a director of football.“But it has always been the case that the director of football could not impose a player that the manager didn’t want.”

“Dennis Wise said himself when he took the job in February that everything would be run past Kevin and he would say yes or no. That didn’t happen.”

“Kevin’s chief complaint, among others, is that it was always agreed that the director of football could not impose a player that the manager did not want. This agreement has been broken.”

“The chairman at the time of Kevin’s appointment, the director of football and the owner have confirmed previously in public meetings and publications, that he would always have the final say.”

The statement from Newcastle has also proved embarrassing for owner Mike Ashley as it contradicted what he said in the September issue of the club’s official magazine. In that magazine, which was the first time he had talked at any length to the Newcastle fans it said:

“If the deal is right — and that means the right player who Kevin wants — then we will do that deal.” “Kevin is very particular on who he wants.”

Keegan himself has said very little since Thursday evening and would only say:

“At the time at which I joined Newcastle it was made very clear to me that I would have the final say on player movement in and out of the club.”

Director of Football Dennis , in an interview with nufcTV in early February, also made it very clear that Kevin had the final say on all players:

“I’m not going to bring players in behind his Keegan’s back,” “Everything that happens here will be run by him and he will say yes or no.”

And Chairman Chris Mort also said that Kevin would have the final say on who comes and goes at the club.

So there you have it – it seems the Newcastle Board is confuded about their own rules about who was ultimately responsible for which players came and went at the club. No wonder the club is in turmoil.

How they can get themselves into a state of affairs like this is just beyond us – but it’s a fact.

Comments welcome.

60 comments so far

  • Graham

    Sep 8, 2008 at 10:07 AM

    Comment #1

    No further questions your honour.

    The arrogance of the big fingers at this club is an absolute disgrace.

  • Graham

    Sep 8, 2008 at 10:09 AM

    Comment #2

    Ed – I know its just me and I may not be representing other users of this blog. But I am sick to death with the sight of Ashley. Is there any chance you could replace him with, saya picture of a blamange.

    Or even more acurate a turd or something!

  • geordiejayne

    Sep 8, 2008 at 10:13 AM

    Comment #3

    lol Graham.

    Ed your article is spot on.

    Let’s hope the Toon Fans do not forget that this is about our Great Club’s future we are fighting for.

    The Toon fans need to take the fight to them and rest until we have forced this great club back to where it belongs.

  • laurent32

    Sep 8, 2008 at 10:16 AM

    Comment #4

    agree with you there graham. p.s ed whats the crack with all the breast enlargement ads? if you are into stuff like that the ladyboys of bangkok are performing at centre of life at the mo!

  • WesToon

    Sep 8, 2008 at 10:18 AM

    Comment #5

    When will this Sh!te end??? FFS MAN
    im so sick of my beloved TOON ALWAYS being the laughing stock


  • Carlos kickaball

    Sep 8, 2008 at 10:22 AM

    Comment #6

    Laurant32 The cosmetic surgery ads were sponsered by Mike Ashley he can’t belive that there are two bigger tits than him and wise.

  • Davies

    Sep 8, 2008 at 10:24 AM

    Comment #7

    Talk about digging your own hole.

    Exactly how does anybody at the club see a way out of this?

    It’s not as if Ashley, Wise or Llambias have even tried to defend their positions since Keegan resigned, apart from their patronising and extremely arrogant statement.

    I don’t love or hate Ashley, I just think, for the sake of all concerned, him, us, the team and the future of the club, he’s going to have to sell the club. Everybody has made it clear that he is no longer welcome and the club is no longer a viable business for him.

    I really hope we don’t have to wait for him to go through another year of experimenting with an already failed structure at our club. I just hope he sees sense sooner rather than later.

    On a less fun note; Anil Ambani’s representative has spoken to the press and said that they aren’t interested in buying, though he did add the caveat; “although I cannot speculate on what may be the future plans of my management”.

    Maybe there is interest there…

  • Estechco

    Sep 8, 2008 at 10:26 AM

    Comment #8

    Whilst I know there is talk of a protest walk from Central Station on Saturday, it is not obvious whether fans still intend going to the Hull game on not (which I don’t personally think we should be).

    It would be useful if all of the main fan sites got their heads together and came up with a common line, whether that be a shared poll (of exactly what people want to do) or consistent message in some other way.

    My biggest concern is that come Saturday, everybody is going to go there own sweet way and the one thing we are not going to appear is “United”.

    Ed: Do you have the contact details of the other main fan sites to get this ball rolling?

  • paulthepom

    Sep 8, 2008 at 10:27 AM

    Comment #9

    the board have really let everyone down this time.i can sort of see their side of things when they say they explained to keegan at the start that they wanted to bring young talent in with resale fan on here can complain about our signings so far,they are a lot better than some big names bought by previous managers\chairman.i also think that if keegan asked for beckham ,henry etc…he must be absolutely stupid and naive.i also beleive that if keegan truly loved the toon as much as we love him,he wouldn’t have walked without putting up more of a fight.but good old kev never lets us down.when the going gets tough kevin gets gone.FACT.however despite all these points the board have lied and lost all credibility and they need to correct their statement before we can go any fear with king kev is he is too honest and gets hurt far too easily to be in management and for this reason only, he shouldn’t have come back.the players and fans all love him cos he is a great man and a great coach but there is a side to him that cannot handle the rest of the qualities reqd for management.he is the right man with a blank cheque book .king kev R.I.P.board need to do the right thing and either apologize to the fans very quickly or find a buyer.either way the fans need to support the team.if we dont we will be relegated and we will be bitter forever.theirs more than one way to make ashley sell.NOT DESTROY THE TEAM.

  • geordiejayne

    Sep 8, 2008 at 10:28 AM

    Comment #10

    It seems as though alot of fans are going to the match because they have already paid for their season tickets.

    I also know alot of them going to the match are also marching before as I and my family are.

    The march is a great way to demonstrate even if you are going to the match or not.


  • Newcastle Action

    Sep 8, 2008 at 10:29 AM

    Comment #11

    We need a common goal! We shouldn’t boycott the players or the match but we should boycott the clubs food and drink, and club merchandise!!

  • Ian

    Sep 8, 2008 at 10:32 AM

    Comment #12

    The real surprise in all of this is the lack of organisation around Mike Ashely and his business, it really is a surprise, while I didnt like his penny pinching quirks and the idea that he could run a business which makes money from media attention and sponsorship without being high profile – which seems impossible to me, I didnt expect incompetence in the organisation and running of the club behind the scenes.

    I would like to see a business analyst’s view of how Ashley ever became so rich to start with, judging by this you would have thought he either inherited it or had the most extraordinary luck as business planning doesnt seem a strong point or has a manager of his made him his millions???

  • Bill F Ash Didn't Splash :(

    Sep 8, 2008 at 10:32 AM

    Comment #13

    Seems to me that Ashley is finding that the playfull puppy he bought has suddenly grown up and turned Rabid. It’s snarling (the fans) and biting (his pocket) and he don’t know what to do about it. I reckon that he should either cut his losses and sell with perhaps a little profit (the fans popular option). Or when he gets back (don’t know if he is yet) he feigns astonishment at the way the idiots have been running his club and gets them out, with a little sweetner to keep them schtum. He then asks (begs) KK to return with full control.
    Idon’t think he will do either till he realises that his investment is going downhill faster than a runaway train and that he will try to ride out the storm, which may unfortunately work.

  • Norman Mathie

    Sep 8, 2008 at 10:32 AM

    Comment #14

    Only a complete half wit could concoct an Official statement stating a load of FACTS especially after releasing other statements that state differently.

  • Toon4Life

    Sep 8, 2008 at 10:33 AM

    Comment #15

    I think this club was taken over by Kermit the Frog and Miss Piggy, As if this whole situation isn’t embarassing enough for the Newcastle United Football Club now the board are insisting on getting into a public slagging match with Kevin Keegan who incidently appears to have acted in a decent and proper manner.

    Kevin Keegan has not said much but he has explained everything, The Board are intent on increasing theier web of lies and as we can see they are now causght in one of them.

    What has happened to my beloved Newcastle 🙁

  • Graham

    Sep 8, 2008 at 10:34 AM

    Comment #16

    Estechco – I think its down to the individuals personal choice of whether or not to go into SJP.

    I would urge everyone without a ticket NOT TO BUY ONE!!!

    Everyone with a season ticket has already paid (direct debit or not) so there’s nowt we can do about that.

    But to buy a ticket just for this game is merely lining the pockets of the scumbag we want rid of.

    I don’t have a season ticket as I work most weekends, but normally buy a ticket when i’m available to do so. Not this time though. I will be at Central Station come 1230 saturday and will march up to SJP to protest. I will also be there at 5.00pm when the game is over to protest some more, but I will not be buying a ticket for the game – much as it pains me to do this.

  • Bill F Ash Didn't Splash :(

    Sep 8, 2008 at 10:37 AM

    Comment #17

    Leo, if you are around, I believe you are a Morpeth lad, I hope all is ok with you, was it you on the TV the other day. It’s a real bugg*r what has happened to your town just hope you all get through it OK.

  • mozza

    Sep 8, 2008 at 10:37 AM

    Comment #18

    whens this pish gona end, some rags are saying the indian consortium are distancing themselves from us and some are reporting there will be an approach made, whatever happens ashley will never win us back and i’m going on the protest with some family and friends on saturday and agree it does need to be well organized to succeed

  • Toon4Life

    Sep 8, 2008 at 10:42 AM

    Comment #19

    Not the news I wanted to hear… 🙁

    Hope it’s a Smokescreen for an agressive takeover plan…

  • bill

    Sep 8, 2008 at 10:44 AM

    Comment #20

    If the club isn’t sold within the next few days, then I will be part of the demo. I’m not attending the game unless Ashley has gone.

    Regarding the statement from Anil Ambani’s representative; this is just business talk for “we are not prepared to talk about it yet.”

    They always deny these stories until a deal done; at least professional businessmen do that in my experience. They don’t want stories or speculation to have an impact on their business strategy or negotiations.

  • radge

    Sep 8, 2008 at 10:48 AM

    Comment #21

    Here’s a fact for you…the majority of people on this board need to move on. Here’s a few more facts for you…kk isn’t coming back….Ambani isn’t going to buy us…Middle East oil money isn’t flowing towards Newcastle.

    Why would anyone buy us when the bed-sheet brigade come out at the first sign of trouble. Ashley’s need to increase his security and people stating on this board that Gus Poyet’s kids wouldn’t be able to go to school if he joined probably isn’t going to make the billionaires of the world reach for their chequebooks.

    The vast majority of people on this board we’re pretty happy with the ways things were going. We’ve signed some great new players, and a couple that look like good prospects. The less hysterical fans (and their are a few of us) are probably happy with the longer term plan to build the strength of club through investing in youth. I’d actually prefer that to what’s going on at City…we’ve been through that on a smaller scale in the past, and i’ve had enough mercenaries at this club thanks. At kk’s own admission, he hadn’t been to a live game for 3 years, so he should accept that other people in the club are going to bring the younger, lesser known players that he probably isn’t aware of. If he couldn’t accept that, he should’ve done the honourable thing and worked through till the end of the season. Instead, he threw his dummy and walked out on us, leaving us in the sht (for the second time!). I don’t accept for one minute that he had the interests of the club or the fans at heart. If he had, he would’ve stayed and worked within the limitations that we’re set…irrespective of whether these had changed or not….at least until the season was finished.

    Finally, for all you who are criticising the club for apparently contradictory statements….at Keegan’s last press conference he said that he’d sanctioned the sale of Miller. If that was true, and as he’d seemed really happy with the signings made earlier in the window (jonas, colo etc), then his complaint could only have been about the two signings that we’re made right at the end, and he’s on record saying that he didn’t want ONE of the players. That being the case, I find it absolutely appalling that he can walk out because of that.

    Anyway, we should move on. A new manager is coming in, Ashley is likely to be around for a while, so is Wise, Jiminez et al. (and i don’t care whether they work in Newcastle, London or Timbuktu).

    Protest all you want. It will only do our club further damage.


    Sep 8, 2008 at 10:52 AM

    Comment #22

    We have to understand that Ashley has no clue about football or running a football club. He always asks a guy named Paul Kemsley who i believe is an ex Spurs director. It was Kemsley who put forward the structure we now have-strangely the same as Spurs, he also recommended Dennis Wise. Ashley puts personal loyalty to him before competence-i.e Llambias.
    On the transfer front, quite clearly apart from Guthrie all the other 32 names on Keegans list were put in the shredder pretty quick. Then he was offered various players, there is nothing to say he didnt approve of Guti and Colo, the dispute was clearly over the last 2 coming in who he didnt want and were not in the positions he had asked for.
    The sale of Milner was agreed because the Board said they could get Schweinsteiger, they then sold Milner and suddenly the German wasnt available-suspicious to say the least.
    The Board clearly overruled Keegan in the end but they just dont have the balls to admit it.

  • radge

    Sep 8, 2008 at 10:59 AM

    Comment #23

    so what if the board overruled him?? Have you never had a job where your boss has overruled you? You don’t just walk out, especially if you’re in a senior position.

    C’mon Ed….you had a senior role at IBM for years….are you seriously trying to tell me that this never happened to you?

  • Macas

    Sep 8, 2008 at 11:00 AM

    Comment #24

    Radge – how can you have stability at a club when the management structure can’t manage, tell blatant lies to the media and fans, treat the manager with contempt, and seem incapable of signing enough players to ensure the squad is big enough? Whether or not Keegan’s choice of players was sound or not, once you hire a manager you either have to back him or sack him.

    And your comment about contradictory statments is rather pointless, Keegan sanctioned the sale of Milner to provide funds to strengthen the squad, which the recruitment team were too inept and incapable to do. Keegan walked out because the board constantly undermined his position, brought in a player without his consent, tried to offload one or two players without his consent, and failed to purchase the players we need to have a decent season. I think he had a valid argument, and being a man of integrity (as is Curbishley) he had no alternative but to get out.

  • dick

    Sep 8, 2008 at 11:03 AM

    Comment #26

    KK’s lawyers will take this lot apart, ashley doesn’t have a leg to stand on. Must be said that vast majority of toon suppoters were taken in by his lies also.Just feel sorry for season ticket holders who bought 3 years of tickets to line that fat pigs pocket. Just another thought what happens to that money when ashley quits, the next managment will miss out on 2 years of season tickets


    Sep 8, 2008 at 11:05 AM

    Comment #27

    Radge i understand what you are saying and its clear the club has chosen to go down the Arsenal route but you also need a short term plan because if you get good players coming thru and the club has spent 3 seasons in mid-table then they wont hang around.
    As for Keegan not seeing any live games i dont think that is relevant, and personally i cannot support a Board that lies to its own supporters.

  • Graham

    Sep 8, 2008 at 11:10 AM

    Comment #28

    Radge – Keegan wasn’t just overruled. He was lied to and expected to get on with things – he was gonna be the fall guy, whether it was with results or a manager / board dispute.

    There is a difference to being overruled and having the necessary tools you need to do your job taken off you.


    Sep 8, 2008 at 11:13 AM

    Comment #29

    OK Mr Manager you have the final say on transfers-sign here.
    Next day-by the way that player you didnt want we signed him anyway.
    You accept that only if you need the money if you dont need the money any bloke with balls would turn round and say stuff it.
    No Manager i dont care who he is will accept that.

  • clinta

    Sep 8, 2008 at 11:14 AM

    Comment #30

    ed yes there is some facts in your article, but at times in the last few days i feel there hasn’t been, and like what seems the majority of the toon army you’ve been caught up in the whole hysteria thing.

    we all know these facts now and this whole thing has hardly been dealt with well by the club. has it been dealt with well by KK though??

    I would say no. i feel the second coming was a mistake- felt that way from the start too actually, and if there is a third coming like alot seem to wish for than this circus will continue for seasons to come.

    sure MA’s made mistakes, but he’s done alot of good too, especially in recruitment of players and balancing the books, are his mistakes big enough to warrant the fans protests and picketting against him??? i say no,

    i feel fans have been caught up in the lies, and wild theories of news companies that lets face it have been trying to attack MA from the start.

    and all this is just going to hurt the club we all love. but that’s just my opinion and i know theres alot of diferent ones out there.

  • Born Again Geordie

    Sep 8, 2008 at 11:17 AM

    Comment #31

    @macas – well said mate – totally agree.

  • Micky Toon

    Sep 8, 2008 at 11:19 AM

    Comment #32

    Dick – You say KK’s lawyers will take this lot apart. Unfortunately that also means they will be taking NUFC apart. Also remember who would be representing Ashley, a man who knows a lot of NUFC – Chris Mort.

  • Toon4Life

    Sep 8, 2008 at 11:20 AM

    Comment #33

    @ radge

    Sitting back and relaxing when there is clearly a web of lies and structual problems at the club is not going to help…

    Sure we can make excuses and pretend that all is fine but the club needs stability and has done for the last 10 years or so and this resignation/mutual consent is the most ridiculous of them all in all of those years.

    The club is moving into an even more unstable position.

    What manager of any quality will want to go to a club where:

    1. he can’t buy his own players from.

    2. the players purchased will be dictated by his directors of football and the the budget will be equal to the players he sells.

    3. no authority to renegociate players contacts even though he will know the players better than anyone else at the club.

    Basically a puppet person, the problem at the moment lies with the fact that businessmen are making footballing decisions which is a recipe for disaster, businessmen generally have little knowledge of running a football club but their EGO thinks that they could do it better than anyone else, that includes the appointment of idiots like Wise (I guess his years of experience qualifies him for such a role) I always thought Directors of football had a few more years on them.

  • HalftimeBovril

    Sep 8, 2008 at 11:22 AM

    Comment #34

    Theres a few posts on 606 that Terry Mac has also left (not whether sacked or resigned).

    Anybody know anything about this?

  • Graham

    Sep 8, 2008 at 11:24 AM

    Comment #35

    Micky Toon – do you think Mort will be able to represent Ashley if things got that far down the line. There are quotes from Mort saying that Keegan has the final say on comings and goings.

    Ashley would loom a fool if he employed Mort – having said that, he probably will – mind you I doubt whether Mort would want to get involved as all this shit seemed to go on after he left…

  • Graham

    Sep 8, 2008 at 11:25 AM

    Comment #36

    Halftimebovril – not sure if this is true but would you blame him?

  • graeme

    Sep 8, 2008 at 11:26 AM

    Comment #37

    Keegan has two star witnesses in his defence. Both went into print to confirm that Kevin Keegan would have the final say on any player coming to, or leaving Newcastle United.

    The names of these two star witnesses – Mr Michael Ashley & Mr Dennis Wise.

    No one forced them to make the statements, they went out of their way to put this point on the record.

    That is the case for the defence M’lud


  • HalftimeBovril

    Sep 8, 2008 at 11:27 AM

    Comment #38


    Not at all, at this rate i do wonder who will be in the dugout on Saturday

  • bowburnmag

    Sep 8, 2008 at 11:28 AM

    Comment #39

    Radge – it might be self-gratifying to pour scorn on everybody else but I think you’re in the vast minority. You’re clearly an intelligent person and you state a couple of indisputable facts and make some good points but I think you’ve got the wrong end of the stick on this one. Everybody was happy because although there were a few issues, on the whole we trying to let this new board earn our trust. Seems they’ve managed to fail quite badly so far. History tells us Keegan is far from infallible but he has our interests at heart. He thought he could do a job based on the platform he was told he’d have. That platform was subsequently removed. If I was being messed around by my boss I’d do the best I could to do something about it. However, we all know this is a unique vocation and whether you think it’s nostalgia at it’s worst, I think Keegan walked as much for our sake as he did for this own reputation. Yes, the players we have got in have done well but is it a coincidence that Keegan has got the whole team playing well? But Keegan was always going to feel uncomfortable being undermined and not being allowed to get players in he was happy working with. If you want to use a real world analogy, I know if I was looking for someone to work for me I wouldn’t be over the moon if somebody else had the job of interviewing and selecting. Incidentally, Keegan barely watched any live games after he finished playing but he didn’t do a bad job last time did he? If the vast majority are less trusting of the board than of Keegan, does that tell you that you’re more likely to be right on this one or that the majority are?

  • clinta

    Sep 8, 2008 at 11:29 AM

    Comment #40

    Graham, how do you know KK was lied to? are you sure do you have proof? or is this just here say? a theory? a line you read in a paper?


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