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Newcastle Fans’ Call To Action Against Ashley

12:16 am, Tuesday, September 9th, 2008 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 280 Comments

The Mag and true faith fanzines have rightly called for Ashley’s business interests to be targeted by the fans of Newcastle United and other supporters who would like to help in the effort to get Mike Ashley out of Newcastle.

Mike Ashley – his business interests will be targeted

The joint statement by the fanzines is as follows:

Like many Newcastle United supporters we have been sickened by the events of the last week and the departure of Kevin Keegan from his position as manager of our club. We believe Kevin had little alternative but to resign given the gross incompetence and mismanagement of Dennis Wise, Executive Director of Football and Derek Llambias, Managing Director who like Kevin were appointed by Mike Ashley.

While Kevin Keegan remained at Newcastle United the fans trusted that the club was moving forward at last, with Keegan’s departure all trust has gone.Both The Mag and true faith believe there has been a fundamental break in trust between board and the support.

Both true faith and The Mag have been inundated by requests from supporters keen to take action against those within the boardroom of Newcastle United.

Having read many hundreds if not thousands of e-mails sent into both fanzines we are recommending the following action in protest at its appalling treatment of Kevin Keegan and the entirely unworkable structure it has established at the club, namely around the club’s transfer policy.

That initial action includes:

* An immediate and indefinite boycott of all Newcastle United merchandise to include replica shirts, other club clothing and any items sold at official NUFC outlets. It will also include the non-purchase of all Newcastle United programmes and magazines as well as food, drinks and beverages of any description. This boycott will include raffle tickets, lotteries and any other products associated with Newcastle United Football Club. This to include also a boycott of all club bars including Shearer’s Bar as well as club cafes, official club tours, visits to the NUFC museum and any other activity which generates an income for Newcastle United.

* This boycott to be extended to any retail outlet or product owned either in full or in part by Mike Ashley e.g. Sports Soccer, Lillywhites etc.

* We do not advocate a boycott (this is backed up overwhelmingly in the emails we have received) of the game against Hull City at SJP on Saturday 13/Sep/08. Newcastle United’s players have done nothing wrong and certain individuals have behaved impeccably given the manner in which their manager and team-mates have been treated this last week. They remain deserving of our support.

* We advocate supporters vocally expressing their disgust against the current regime whether they are at the match or not, which will act as a clear demonstration of the antipathy of supporters towards Ashley, Llambias and Wise. There should be no abuse directed at any Newcastle United player.

* We insist that Mike Ashley does not attend away games amongst the traveling support. He is not a Newcastle United supporter and as far as true faith and The Mag are concerned he is not welcome amongst our ranks. If any effort is made by Ashley to attend future away games we would recommend the away support to vocally remind him he is not wanted amongst us. We do not advocate violent disorder of any description.

Michael Martin,
Editor, true faith

Mark Jensen,
Editor, The Mag

We don’t know what the chances of forcing Mike Ashley out of Newcastle are, but it’s certainly worth the try.

There’s always a chance that some buyer, maybe not even yet identified, will come in and offer the owner something that is acceptable to him, and the nightmare of having Mike Ashley as owner of Newcastle United will be over.

We hope that will happen sooner rather than later, so we can salvage something, like keep Michael Owen at the club, as one example.

Comments welcome.

Tags: Newcastle News

280 responses so far ↓

  • 1 obaistheman // Sep 9, 2008 at 12:26 AM

    totally agree

  • 2 brutooooon // Sep 9, 2008 at 12:26 AM

    we should, we been the victim for so long. we deserve whats ours…………………….

  • 3 robert lee waugh // Sep 9, 2008 at 12:27 AM

    great lets support this mag

  • 4 Kevin Lawson // Sep 9, 2008 at 12:27 AM

    This is the first sensible thing i have seen written. The boycott of Shearers bar will be something that is very visible to all. I’m glad to see that everyone will continue to support the players. They need it now more than ever.

  • 5 craig chisholm // Sep 9, 2008 at 12:28 AM

    intersting new info from the vice president of reliance Ed – its worth mentioning. The so called article using the reliance Vp’s name that was mentioned in press yesterday said that reliance were not interested, HOWEVER, the true VP has today stated as a fact that ‘i do not know where that statement came from as i have not spoke to anyone regardinf Newcastle united’. Now this may be nowt but it may be something, cos what this looks like to me is that Reliance are denying, that htey have said they are not interested in buying us.

  • 6 brutooooon // Sep 9, 2008 at 12:29 AM

    i hope u guys do the boycott thing, we are fans in asia felt hopeless and useless because we can’t do anything ( at least) to help ashley out of the club

  • 7 The Corner // Sep 9, 2008 at 12:30 AM

    why don’t the editors of this site, the mag, true faith, toon ultras and get in touch and organise 1 united (pardon the pun!) course of action.

  • 8 craig chisholm // Sep 9, 2008 at 12:31 AM

    following on, you know what i think, I think that ashley sources have leaked that lie to make us think no-one wants us. Its crap, and its designed to weaken our ranks. It IS VERY significant that within 24 hours Reliance have denied the story that says they arnt interested.

  • 9 Tom_Toon // Sep 9, 2008 at 12:32 AM

    Can someone tell me what Mike Ashley has done wrong please.

  • 10 richie // Sep 9, 2008 at 12:32 AM

    IF ashley stays in control, i have a gut feeling hel bring in sven

  • 11 craig chisholm // Sep 9, 2008 at 12:34 AM

    ED, i have a propostion for you. I am off-shore in the middle of the ocean at the minute. If you can get in touch with a tabloid paper or a national paper regarding a large Ad in big bold letters, something simple like ‘ A message from Newcastle United Fans: Ashley we want you out – i will pay for it out my own pocket. let me know.

  • 12 craig chisholm // Sep 9, 2008 at 12:35 AM

    you kidding tom toon – right??

  • 13 Take a swipe at me if ALL-WISE fans // Sep 9, 2008 at 12:35 AM


  • 14 Tom_Toon // Sep 9, 2008 at 12:37 AM

    No Craig, im not.

    He implemented a continental system – So what?

    KK couldn’t hack it/was forced out, not the right way i agree but KK should never have been brough back in the first place.

    He brought in Wise etc who made brilliant purchases, nothing wrong there.

    He cleared 80% of our debt.

    What has he done wrong?!?!?!?!?

  • 15 Take a swipe at me if ALL-WISE fans // Sep 9, 2008 at 12:51 AM












  • 16 richie // Sep 9, 2008 at 12:54 AM

    tom toon i agree with u to a certain extent, there is huge hype about MA stemming from the emotional departure of the king

    MA has cleared debt and brought in some young talent, aswell as jonas and colo who i think our class signings,, however id still like a takeover because ashley wont spend huge and thats what id love t see, but don get me wrong if he does stay it is not all doom and gloom

    who u want as the next manager??as im sick of the asley keegan talk and jus want to look forward, if i could have manager tomo it would b sven

  • 17 piman // Sep 9, 2008 at 12:55 AM

    Tom Toon – Mort clearly said that KK would have the final say on in’s and outs. That was not the case and imagine what would have happened to our season if they had flogged Barton and Owen at the end of the transfer window. We could have easily have gone down this season and may still!

  • 18 Darryl // Sep 9, 2008 at 12:55 AM

    Im 50/50 on the whole scenario at the end of the day KK has walked out on nearly every club he has come to managed… So it didnt come as a huge shock to see him do it again.

    MA has undoubtibly done a great thing in clearing our debt, but even if he was to sell, what difference would it make? because he would sell it so that he made some profit on it. aka, the quoted 240 million or whatever.

    I don’t think he will be gone by the end of the season, this boycott stuff, while it shows you support newcastle minus the backroom staff, it doesnt really show much respect for the players (even though your still supporting them) what will the players think? aka, colo and xisco? They’ll want out asap!

    Theres been a few managers mentioned, i like the idea of Zico saying he would be interested, it’s on SS website.

  • 19 Simon // Sep 9, 2008 at 12:57 AM

    An empty stadium for the Hull game would send a clear message.

    Why can’t we sing outside the ground. The players know the situation and will give their all anyway.
    Boycotting a few bars and not buying a few replica shirts will do bugger all

  • 20 piman // Sep 9, 2008 at 12:57 AM

    Take a swipe at me if ALL-WISE fans – no need to shout mate!

  • 21 Andrew Johnson // Sep 9, 2008 at 1:00 AM

    Why can’t Mike Ashley afford players? What has he done wrong?

    Because while King Kev wass busy resigning, he was in the United States spending $216,000 in three hours on various types of liquor at a New York club.

  • 22 craig chisholm // Sep 9, 2008 at 1:00 AM

    ok tom toon. i will tell you what i think he has done wrong although i may well miss alot of stuff out too everyone lese please feel free to remind me and tom what else cashley has done wrong.
    He lies constantly about everything to everyone all the time. You dont need me to teel you what cos its been well documented over the last few days by the LMA what his more obvious lies are. the LMA has missed out some though, for instance, you say he has paid off the debt – who says he has – him and mort, thats all. Lets look at morts famous statement ‘ as of now, this club does not owe a penny to anyone’. Now lets look at Ashleys quote in the first home mag of the season ‘ we are still paying for players that no longer play for us’. Now you tell me Tom, you reckon that sounds like we are not in debt? Who says he has paid a been off? He is certainly acting like he has paid nothing off at all as he has not spent a penny on our club in two full transfer windows. He bought no-one in january, every person he bought in in this last window was off-set by who he sold. Milner, rozza and emre alone brought in 20 million. plus the fringe players sold and released gave fat mike a massive saving on salaries.
    All fans are being treated with pure contempt, NUFC raised its prices by a prem leading 10% this year but actually cut back on its overheads and invested no money on the pitch. At the same time, tv revenue was massivley increased. As it was, we were one of only five clubs that turned a profit in fat freds last tenure and that was with all of the debt and huge player wages such as dyer, bowyer and many more. This man is making alot of money from us and at the same time pleading poverty. In the 12 months since he has been in charge it has been one disaster after another an a complete PR shambles. from getting rid of fat sam when they tried to bring in harry, and then deny it afterwards to where we are today. We are run out of london by a cockney. Our chairman if that is what he is is a casino owner and another southerner. None of our board actually live or support newcastle or have any afinity in the area.
    Every single footballing person that ahs spoken about our situation has spoken against it, not one name has came out and said they think its great the way we are being run. The list goes on forver, shearer, sir bobby, moyes, ginola, ferdinand, the LMA, bezza and on and on, the list is endless.
    In the last week of the transfer window every single player was palced up for sale at the right price. They tried to sell owen to spurs on deadline day. Milner was sold behind the entire coaching staff’s backs and players were brought in without anyone knowing, they just turned up at the training ground. Milner has since came out nad said that we are a complte shambles behind the scenes and we are only seeing the tip of an iceburg thats been there for a while. i am worn out sayingthings although i could go on for yonks about it. If you still like MA after all of this Tom then i am affraid that i will never agree with you and that we will never see eye to eye. I fail to see what you are supporting, really i do. the fans are newcaslte united, its always been the fans that have made us great. Mike ashley might own newcaslte united but what does he really have, some bricks and some grass – big deal. he has lost the fans forever, with perhaps the ecception of you maybe. Good luck tom, ya on ya own on this one.

  • 23 The Original Todd // Sep 9, 2008 at 1:03 AM

    Darryl: The players watched James Milner ask for a new contract and be sold. They’ve seen a manager they liked and respected allowed to leave. There are rumors that they all were for sale on the deadline day. What makes you think they don’t already want out ASAP?

  • 24 Chris F // Sep 9, 2008 at 1:04 AM

    Is there any reason you’re posting in all caps?

    Anyway, while I firmly agree that there is nothing wrong with a ‘continental system’, it has to be correctly implemented, and I can’t help but feel that the one Ashley has imposed on NUFC is a bit askew.

    Yes, having a team concerned with transfers and contracts will take a lot of pressure of a manager, allowing him to focus upon first team matters. However, this team has to be working on the behalf of, or at least in conjunction with the manager, with good communication and the manager having the ultimate say in the matter.

    After all, he is the one who will be held ultimately responsible for the performance of these players on the pitch.

    The system present at NUFC just seems unworkable if Dennis Wise can buy and sell whoever he likes without a care for the wishes of the man in charge of the first team.

    I was in favour of this sytem when it first emerged we were going down that road, but said at the time that it will only work if all those concerned worked together.

    Sadly it seems Dennis Wise and the rest of the ‘board’ were off doing whatever they wanted, with utter disregard for Keegan’s thoughts and opinions. I also seriously doubt Keegan really wanted them to go out and buy Beckham, Henry and Lampard too, that whole story stinks of Tabloid BS.

    If you are unable to see why Keegan felt so compelled to resign, when he was having players he knew nothing at all about added to the squad, whilst also finding out at the last minute that the board were trying to sell the best goalscorer on the books without even bothering to tell him, then frankly I think you need to have a reality check.

  • 25 Elliott // Sep 9, 2008 at 1:05 AM

    Things ashley has done wrong—

    1. Claimed to have wiped the debt time and time again when all he’s done is replaced some loans with another ie we owe him the £80m, not whoever we did before. £25 million is still outstanding on transfers.

    2. Went back on his word to give KK final say on all transfers.

    3. Sold Milner and held the funds.

    4. Failed to give KK the money to buy the 3 players we needed to complete the squad.

    5. Put the entire 1st team squad up for sale.

    6. Ripped the fans off by selling 3yr season tickets and not releasing the funds taken by sales.

    7. Released false and misleading statements regarding KK’s role at the club.

    8. Overseeing one of the worst PR campaigns in PL history.

    9. Consistently trying to take us all for mugs.

    etc etc etc

  • 26 richie // Sep 9, 2008 at 1:08 AM

    not disputin what ur sayin chris just curious, where did milner say that?? im noy happy wit how milner leavt i think he owed the club and tbh felt he wasn up to it so went to villa where he could have an easier ride

  • 27 richie // Sep 9, 2008 at 1:09 AM

    last post @craig not chris by the way lol

  • 28 craig chisholm // Sep 9, 2008 at 1:10 AM

    ah elliot, the voice of reason.

  • 29 Chris F // Sep 9, 2008 at 1:10 AM

    Um, Richie, I think you mean Craig, not Chris 🙂

  • 30 little willie // Sep 9, 2008 at 1:11 AM

    Would have been a good idea if they done it 3 years ago when Sir Bobby was sacked.

  • 31 richie // Sep 9, 2008 at 1:11 AM

    also how true is it that the whole squad up for sale??i find that hard to believe, i dont think ashley is that stupid

  • 32 piman // Sep 9, 2008 at 1:13 AM

    perhaps not but Owen and Barton were defo for sale, without replacements!

  • 33 little willie // Sep 9, 2008 at 1:13 AM

    1. Claimed to have wiped the debt time and time again when all he’s done is replaced some loans with another ie we owe him the £80m, not whoever we did before. £25 million is still outstanding on transfers.


    He has wiped the bank debt, the £25 million is still owed on transfers in installments and since it’s written into the contract that it will be paid in instalments then there’s not much he can do.

  • 34 boater // Sep 9, 2008 at 1:16 AM

    Piman… every season people say ‘we could or will go down’ … we won’t go down. I doubt we’ll qualify for the CL somehow but we won’t go down…. AND even if we did go down, I fail to see how Barton would make much difference either way. Ashley trying to sell Barton is probably more to his credit than to his detriment, selling Milner for 12million was a stroke of genius. Owen? Looks like he is stalling on a contract anyway…. I can understand the thinking if that is the case.

    Elvis has left the building… why get your hopes up about improbable takeovers and even more fairytale KK re-re-re-returns – we have a good young squad, hopefully a decent manager will be brought in – Zico, Fatih, Van Gaal and we can crack on again and get the club back on track and win some bas**rd football matches… not that I remember what they are anymore….

  • 35 little willie // Sep 9, 2008 at 1:17 AM

    2. Went back on his word to give KK final say on all transfers.


    The question should be why did Wise have to go over Keegan’s head on the last day of the window?

    Had Keegan already walked out by then?

  • 36 craig chisholm // Sep 9, 2008 at 1:18 AM

    richie……..ref milner, newcastle link, 4th page, fourth bottom comment ‘ headline – milner points to newcaslte shambles’.

  • 37 little willie // Sep 9, 2008 at 1:18 AM

    6. Ripped the fans off by selling 3yr season tickets and not releasing the funds taken by sales.

    He was never going to release it all! Believe it or not it has to last 3 years.

  • 38 Take a swipe at me if ALL-WISE fans // Sep 9, 2008 at 1:19 AM


    Things ashley has done wrong—

    1. Claimed to have wiped the debt time and time again when all he’s done is replaced some loans with another ie we owe him the £80m, not whoever we did before. £25 million is still outstanding on transfers.

    2. Went back on his word to give KK final say on all transfers.

    3. Sold Milner and held the funds.

    4. Failed to give KK the money to buy the 3 players we needed to complete the squad.

    5. Put the entire 1st team squad up for sale.

    6. Ripped the fans off by selling 3yr season tickets and not releasing the funds taken by sales.

    7. Released false and misleading statements regarding KK’s role at the club.

    8. Overseeing one of the worst PR campaigns in PL history.

    9. Consistently trying to take us all for mugs.

    etc etc etc

  • 39 little willie // Sep 9, 2008 at 1:19 AM

    craig chisholm // Sep 9, 2008 at 1:18

    richie……..ref milner, newcastle link, 4th page, fourth bottom comment ‘ headline – milner points to newcaslte shambles’.


    Shame his comments don’t match the creative headline.

  • 40 piman // Sep 9, 2008 at 1:20 AM

    boater – when referring to selling Barton and Owen I was thinking purely of numbers rather than how good/bad Barton is however I agree with your comments and outlook.

  • 41 Elliott // Sep 9, 2008 at 1:21 AM

    The 3 yr season ticket thing is the clearest indicator to me that he’s trying to take all he can out of the club before selling it. He’s basically taking what would be future revenue and not investing it back into the club. So, when he sells the club, he’s taken a % of future ticket sales from any buyer who would also owe him the £80m. Ashley has put nothing into this club apart from the money he used to buy it, I bet he’s taken £20m + out of it since then from tv money and ticket sales. And he’s trying to flog it off for £300m+, no wonder investors are telling him to get stuffed. I fing hate the guy, I’d be prepared to see the club relegated if it meant that slime ball lost money and let our club go to someone with an ounce of ambition outside their own bank account. The guys a billionaire, or so it’s claimed, why does he need to decimate our club to gain a few million more?

    Evil cnuut

  • 42 craig chisholm // Sep 9, 2008 at 1:21 AM

    little wille, your the bloke that kept on saying crap during the transfer window about who we were getting , trying to act like you had inside info – you were wrong always and have no credability – sorry.

  • 43 Take a swipe at me if ALL-WISE fans // Sep 9, 2008 at 1:21 AM


  • 44 little willie // Sep 9, 2008 at 1:25 AM

    Elliott // Sep 9, 2008 at 1:21

    The 3 yr season ticket thing is the clearest indicator to me that he’s trying to take all he can out of the club before selling it. He’s basically taking what would be future revenue and not investing it back into the club. So, when he sells the club, he’s taken a % of future ticket sales from any buyer who would also owe him the £80m. Ashley has put nothing into this club apart from the money he used to buy it, I bet he’s taken £20m + out of it since then from tv money and ticket sales. And he’s trying to flog it off for £300m+, no wonder investors are telling him to get stuffed. I fing hate the guy, I’d be prepared to see the club relegated if it meant that slime ball lost money and let our club go to someone with an ounce of ambition outside their own bank account. The guys a billionaire, or so it’s claimed, why does he need to decimate our club to gain a few million more?


    Or perhaps it’s sat in the clubs account?

  • 45 Take a swipe at me if ALL-WISE fans // Sep 9, 2008 at 1:25 AM



  • 46 Elliott // Sep 9, 2008 at 1:25 AM

    I’d say only point 5 is open to debate as a roumour the rest are fact backed up by Ashley’s own gob and events that have been plain for all to see with their own eyes. Which points do you take issue with?

  • 47 little willie // Sep 9, 2008 at 1:26 AM

    craig chisholm // Sep 9, 2008 at 1:21

    little wille, your the bloke that kept on saying crap during the transfer window about who we were getting , trying to act like you had inside info – you were wrong always and have no credability – sorry.


    Most of it was right actually, like when I told everyone Milner had one foot through the door at Villa.

    I find that people who know nothing generally like to moan through jealousy like.

  • 48 richie // Sep 9, 2008 at 1:27 AM

    on barton, im glad hes still in our ranks,, can u imagine the drive hel have to suceed on the pitch after all his troubles, hel come good im sure of it

  • 49 richie // Sep 9, 2008 at 1:30 AM

    and sven anyone??

  • 50 Spyro // Sep 9, 2008 at 1:31 AM

    Im 100% with tom toon on this, i am very much in favour of the structure that has been implemented and i dont feel it will hold us back at all. You only have to look at Zico’s latest comments to see this. In fact, the only thing i dont like about MA is his cringe worthy pretentiousness.

  • 51 boater // Sep 9, 2008 at 1:32 AM

    Very true… the press are loving throwing petrol on the fuming geordie supporter flames… most of that tosh is scurrilous and unsupported. There is a big wind up campaign against Ashley to sell papers in the north east… holidays in NY, buying LA studios.. just wind up stories.

    KK is very emotional and we love him for it… but he also has a terrible glass swan ego- he goes on principle (as usual) but he has left us in the lurch as a club AGAIN – 3 games in. There are new signings that don’t know what’s going on and the whole thing has become a mess again…

    Also every player in every squad in the country was up for sale on the last day of the transfer… that’s how it works.

  • 52 craig chisholm // Sep 9, 2008 at 1:33 AM

    anyone that supports this shit structure and owner is a traitor and i am stunned at some of you lot on here, really i am.
    little willie, reference paying off the debt bit – you are proper talking out your arse and thats a fact. are you trying to imply that once a loan deal is set up with structure repayments that its set in concrete -you are off it. Thats like saying we owed real madrid 10 million over four years and we went up to them and said. ‘here you go, we will give you this 10 million now in one hit’, you are saying they turn around and say ‘ no thanks cashley, we prefer to get it in dribs and drabs over the next four years’ Any loan or financial deal can be paid off at any time – idiot.
    Something else that stuns me is that cashley said he did not know the extent of our debt, well excuse me, that sounds nuts saying as every football fan in the country always knew we had at leastv 70 – 80 million in debt cos frat fred often mentioned it. Along with the fact the 45 million of it was the extension to the ground and that it was sustainable. How come ashley never knew when we all did??? Something else, does it not piss oyu lot off that for as long as that fat turd has been in charge of our club he has been dripping about overheads. it grips my shit. its like buying a flash car and then complaining about the price of petrol. if you cant afford the car dont bloody buy it. of course, he never complains when he blows 200 grand on a roulette spin of the whell in one night eh.

  • 53 Take a swipe at me if ALL-WISE fans // Sep 9, 2008 at 1:33 AM



  • 54 Grae_NZ // Sep 9, 2008 at 1:35 AM

    New Manager – New Start
    Zico is in the mix – a possible contender – likes internal structure of the club –

  • 55 richie // Sep 9, 2008 at 1:38 AM

    new manager spyro mate???wat ya reckon

  • 56 Elliott // Sep 9, 2008 at 1:42 AM

    Do you know what, maybe I don’t know what his motives are for the way he’s running our club, all we can do is speculate, i can’t imagine what goes on in his head as I’m not a fork tongued , I don’t know what the rules are regarding how he can and can’t extract money from the club but I know he ain’t using it constructively.

    What I do know is that he came out and said that we didn’t owe a penny to anyone as if he’d bailed us out from his own pocket, then a month or so ago it transpires that we owe him £80m or whatever it was and we still owe £25 million or so for transfer monies still outstanding.

    That, my friends, is a £100m whopper of a lie.

    Who the hell would trust this man with a piggy bank, let alone our beloved football club.

    Don’t be weak, drive him out, empty the ground, he has no ambition for this club, no idea how to run a football club, he’s in way way over his head, the only way for him is OUT. There is NO WAY BACK for Ashley.

    I ask his supporters some questions, what HAS he done to make you think he can make a success of this club?

    How is he ever going to gain the trust of the Toon Army?

  • 57 Spyro // Sep 9, 2008 at 1:42 AM


    I would be content with Sven, Terim or Ziko. All are proven quality.

  • 58 D.C. // Sep 9, 2008 at 1:48 AM

    It’s not tabloids, take a swipe.

    It is a fact that Wise said in the Chronicle and Ashley said in the club’s own programme/magazine that KK would have final say on personnel matters, only to deny that was ever the case in the mind-numbingly imbecilic ‘It is a fact’ statement.

    It is a fact that Chris Mort said the club was debt free, only for Ashley to contradict that statement in the club programme/magazine article where he stated we were still paying off old debt from the FFS regime.

    It is a fact that KK was presented with players that he didn’t want, per his own words in an LMA-released statement.

    It is a fact that we did not buy anyone in January, and we spent roughly 1 million pounds net in this last transfer window. It is also a fact that we brought in six players and sent out eight since the end of last season despite having one of the thinnest squads in the Premier League last season.

    The only thing that is remotely up for debate in Elliott’s list of Ashley’s misdeeds is putting the entire team up for sale. But given his Machiavellian track record of trying to stuff his own wallet, it’s not that farfetched now is it.

  • 59 Take a swipe at me if ALL-WISE fans // Sep 9, 2008 at 1:49 AM



  • 60 richie // Sep 9, 2008 at 1:49 AM

    right il put my head out here and predict sven, last time round i said keegan when he was 33/1, texted mates t put money on it as i was away skiing

    i just have that gut feeling!hel fit into the structure for sure, hel know our captain owen well and we could prize him from mexico

  • 61 D.C. // Sep 9, 2008 at 1:53 AM

    And for the love of Christ, turn off your caps lock.

  • 62 Spyro // Sep 9, 2008 at 1:55 AM

    Well richie, if those are the types of names we have on our shortlist then i am quietly confident we will find a suitable replacement for KK. Someone who wont have us playing too defensive, and has a good chance of taking us forward under the current regime.

  • 63 Elliott // Sep 9, 2008 at 2:02 AM

    Errr, have you ever watched KK’s team play.? The only thing he could do was motivate them? KK takes some pretty average footballers (Gillespie anyone?) and can turn them into integral parts of teams that play the best attacking football outside of Man Utd on the counter. He was getting there this year, the only thing holding him back was the size of the squad. How the hell did we not get a leftback in when KK stated we needed one at the end of last season?

  • 64 Elliott // Sep 9, 2008 at 2:04 AM

    Spyro, nobody will take us forward under the current regime. There won’t be any money.

  • 65 Robby Bobson // Sep 9, 2008 at 2:09 AM

    Tom_toon…i sometimes think and agree with with you that he owns the club and if he thinks that system is best (in which we have found some gems for cheap..jonas, bassong, guthrie) then fair play to him.

    The guys a self made billionaire, he is no muppet.

    But i dont think he is the right man to take us forward and has not taken the fans into account on any of his decisions, and only seems in it for the money, and with other teams spending big, we need investment, whereas Ashley is looking to make large profits by spending little. The way he treated Keegan and sacked Terry cannot be forget either and if obviusly nos noting about the club if he didn’t exepct this reaction.

    Although as people are commenting about the Milner money…we had a fee agreed for Sweinsteiger..but he turned us down.

  • 66 darthkir // Sep 9, 2008 at 2:13 AM

    Although the players have done nothing wrong, I still believe that we need to boycott the next games. The reason is that MA is running this club as business so as long as the stadium is filled up he doesnt care. One way to hurt him is to empty the stadium. Although I dont like this but it seems a good way to force him out.

  • 67 Geordie Exile // Sep 9, 2008 at 2:15 AM

    Restricting actions to nufc supporters will have little impact om MA’s millions. We need a concerted effort involving soccer fans across the country. It’s time to unite and show that we will not allow greedy business to rob us of our clubs.
    How about contacting other clubs’ supporter sites and request their assistance in a nationwide boycott? Leaks to the media would do no harm either – the more bad publicity MA receives the more likely he is to get out of town.
    Characters like Keegan areneeded in the game – it’s time to take on a united front.

  • 68 Aussie Magpie Fan // Sep 9, 2008 at 2:23 AM

    Whats the big deal.. Who died and made Kevin Keegan god… Really surprises me off how upset the fans are… Was Keegan the best manager for the job…. I doubt it. I’m actually glad he has gone.. Lets get a tactically astute manager that can make Newcastle a hard team to break down and serious trouble for any team to come up against.
    Keegan signed a 3 year deal…. We need a manager the likes of Wenger and Ferguson that is prepared to hang around for the long haul (if they don’t get sacked 1st for poor performances on field) and build a team that can seriously compete for Europe football. KK left Newcastle because the board wouldn’t let him speand 200 million on over priced players… Come on Kevin.. You saw this as a way out and you took it.

  • 69 ObaFan2 // Sep 9, 2008 at 2:23 AM

    One week with constant discussions on Ashley and KK and you need to ask what the problem is? Sigh, pointless…….

    Cheers Ed for all your threads by the way, one thing for sure is the feeling in Newcastle is pretty well united and Saturday will be a day to prove that.

    For those unable to make the Toon on Saturday and wish to help in some other way, add your name to the petition:

  • 70 Thomas // Sep 9, 2008 at 2:26 AM

    Just one question to all still praising MA…

    Don’t you give a rat’s ass for the way he treated the greatest living legend of nufc???

  • 71 Aussie Magpie Fan // Sep 9, 2008 at 2:32 AM

    @ OBA2FAN
    Ever heard the term “cutting your nose off to spite your face”….
    That what is being proposed here…
    Why deliberately go out and hurt the mighty NUFC by these actions because KK has left the building…

  • 72 ObaFan2 // Sep 9, 2008 at 2:37 AM

    The fact that KK hs been taken for a ride but more importantly every paying Newcastle United fan has been used and abused for the last 12 months and filled with false promises, that day came to an end the minute the transfer window ended, 01/09/08 @ 12pm. and MA pocketed nearly £2million from this summer’s transfer window.

  • 73 ObaFan2 // Sep 9, 2008 at 2:38 AM

    btw ever heard a saying “ignorance is bliss” ?

  • 74 Aussie Magpie Fan // Sep 9, 2008 at 2:41 AM

    That greedy pr*ck…. How dare he run his business to make some proffit and pay off some debt that the club has amassed…

  • 75 ObaFan2 // Sep 9, 2008 at 2:43 AM

    lol the Aussie sarcasm again, just can’t live without it…….

  • 76 Tripp // Sep 9, 2008 at 3:06 AM

    Spyro, you’ve got to admit that the clubs PR apparatus is a shambolic pile-o-shite. They are very poor at communicating with the supporters. It seems that there might also be poor communication within the club, though it’s hard to us to know, being on the outside and not privvy to that sort of thing. Ashley saved us from administration, but he’s made some huge mistakes of late, mainly PR mistakes. We’ll probably never know the full story, but it does seem likely that both parties are to blame, to varying degrees. Lack of communication and egos are probably the culprits.

  • 77 Fandi // Sep 9, 2008 at 3:20 AM

    sigh Fat Ashley is unleashing his attack dogs under new nicks again………..

  • 78 Sav // Sep 9, 2008 at 3:20 AM

    I can’t help noticing that every newspaper speculating on Ashley’s sale of the club (which is almost all of them) have factored in the 80 – 100million debt, placing the alleged asking price between 240 – 260 million (ie. 135million Ashley paid PLUS the value of any repaid debt). So it looks as though there’s no need for misplaced gratitude to MA – he’s just enhanced his asset and at worst, must have thought hew got a helluva bargain in the first place.

    If the continental-style structure at NUFC is so great, how come we have such glaring lack of experienced cover in so many key positions (eg. LB, RB, CB, DM, AM and RM) ?

  • 79 Sav // Sep 9, 2008 at 3:36 AM

    Along with the 2 million net transfer profit, don’t forget the (“mine!, all mine!”) profit from TV money added to the season ticket sales. Most of that may go on wages, but not all by a long chalk.
    No objection to MA making a few bob, but the squad is pathetically inadequate – a fact which I’ll wager we see only too clearly before Xmas.

  • 80 D.C. // Sep 9, 2008 at 3:36 AM

    You forgot striker, Sav.

  • 81 little willie // Sep 9, 2008 at 3:52 AM

    Well done for getting rid of Terry Mac, Wisey.

  • 82 little willie // Sep 9, 2008 at 3:55 AM

    craig chisholm – I’m saying it’s interest free instalments so why rush out to pay it off when that money can be making interest in the clubs account?

    It’s signed up and in our favour so why rush to pay it off? Could be picking up as much as 10% interest.

  • 83 vic // Sep 9, 2008 at 3:58 AM

    tom toon, all-wise fans etc,

    what a rediculos comments

    Look how MA is managing this mess he created in the Club. Has he ever make a clear statement what is going on? Not at all. He is in Hoolywood now.
    He failed to keep Kevin who is the legend . Legend not in Newcastle but in England and in the World footbal. KK is respectable by people around the Earth but they treat him like a s..t.
    Look on the players morale after KK dismisal. Did MA came to dressing room to chat with players ? Not at all – he is not interested in Club ‘s morale. He is interested in Hollywood busines, drink shamaine in Night Clubs with girls somewhwre in NY etc. etc, etc… Newcastle is not important for him. He wanted to sell Owen and other lads behind KK shoulder without decent replacement… Please read carefully what Sir Bobby said about turmoil created by MA/his mismanagement… Sir Bobby is the Legend who has the Geordie blood the same like Shierer and King Kev. Please read it carefully again and again. Probably it will clear yours brain.
    Look on the last hysterical Statement “In fact…, in fact…)…. Is it serious Board who wants to “move forward”?. I do not think so.
    It is a shame to have the same sort of Board and the owner, who are interested in gambling, drinking etc. but unable to respect fans, players and the Manager.

  • 84 sirjasontoon // Sep 9, 2008 at 3:59 AM

    Take a Swipe at Me

    You are blatantly a Toon insider talking that nonsense.

    Your comments are boring, Mike has got to go and Tell him to take his cronies with him.

    Can’t wait for Saturday then the proverbial will really hit the Fan,


  • 85 TB // Sep 9, 2008 at 4:13 AM

    Well said Tripp. I pretty much agree with you completely. And i wouldn’t doubt if KK had the biggest ego of them all.

    Like you said, communication has been the biggest problem with MA. As for what he has done with the club, i dont really have much of a gripe.

    We brought in some great players for a good price.

    If we get a couple more players like Spidey and Colo, and get rid of big wage wastes like Smith, we will be a consistent top 8 team… and then we can spend more money due to players wanting to play for us.

  • 86 ziad // Sep 9, 2008 at 4:19 AM

    Ashley OUT !! he screwed up… and i think to go forward he will need to invest more !!!! that the issue really. Not kk not the awful statements seriously i dont care if we had some debt , he promised CL in 3 years and it looks like were heading the other way … fast!

  • 87 Taiwantoon // Sep 9, 2008 at 4:45 AM

    @craig chisholm

    I am with you.

    They can not run the club like it is FM, and plz Zico is never as good as KK as a manager!

  • 88 Nomads // Sep 9, 2008 at 4:47 AM

    Quite surprised there are still Ashley fans out there, what he has done is pathetic, his treatment of the manager and the fans. The fans are the club’s biggest assets, without them there would be no Newcastle United.
    There’s no big deal about wiping out the debt, obviously it would be worse if he hadn’t, but that amount would definitely be recovered with interest if he sells the club. In addition, since he owns 100% of the club, it is also in his own best interests that he does not pay interest payments on the debt, it would only devalue the club and hence his own net worth. He could saddle the club with debt and run off, but he would face lawsuits from the creditors and perhaps be forced to pay them from out of his own pocket. Thus, the only way he loses out is that the 100m is not invested in other income yielding sources, not that it matters, he would probably blow off that amount at the casino anyway.
    His idea of following the Arsenal model actually sounds good on paper but his execution of it leaves a lot to be desired. I have nothing against the build up slowly from the bottom kind of scenario, however, not strengthening a very thin squad when you’re running a very small transfer deficit is too extreme in my opinion and reeks of stinginess. Not even Fergie or Wenger would be able to perform miracles with the squad and if a string of poor results persist, KK would be the one incurring the wrath of the toon army instead. That being said, the way the club was being run, there was no way KK could have stayed and having the cheek to put the blame on him and perhaps still sue him for leaving is ridiculous. Communicating with the fans only when they want us to open our wallets shows their immense lack of respect.
    My main dissatisfaction is the treatment of KK, him being a geordie legend and all. If the club felt he wasn’t suitable in a continental structure and there were conflicts of interest, by all means, as the employer, they have every right to sack him, but pay him his 8m compensation and do it in a less acrimonious way.
    It looks like the only way some of you will be against Ashley is if the club gets relegated. On the other hand, if they perform well in the future, all would be forgiven and all the Ashley supporters will be on here yelling “i told you so”. This does not change the fundamental problem which is what he is and what he has done, and therefore history would probably repeat itself.

  • 89 Ganiyu // Sep 9, 2008 at 4:47 AM

    I love ashley.good man saving us from debts

  • 90 PapaToon // Sep 9, 2008 at 4:53 AM

    I think there should be an IPO of Newcastle where the allocation is fixed so no one is a major shareholder that way the fans who care about the club have the greatest say.
    We do not need to worry about a billionaire to save us.

  • 91 Ganiyu // Sep 9, 2008 at 4:53 AM

    Witout a coach i predict a top 6

  • 92 Ganiyu // Sep 9, 2008 at 4:55 AM

    Newcastle 6 hull city 0

  • 93 Tommy_PA // Sep 9, 2008 at 5:09 AM

    Whether or not you think Keegan was the man to take us to the top level, one things for sure at the end of last season he got us going the right direction, away from relegation! Hell even some of the defeats under KK were less painful to watch as compared to the grimness of some of the wins under Allardyce.

    My gut tells me that the people at the top have now removed anyone who may have had any identification with the fans at a “grass roots” level. Consider yourselves notified of a change of status to customers, which makes the recommendations to hit back at Ashley through his pocket even more apt.

    What’s so great about the continental system? Surely the repeated peformance of the PL big 4 in Europe should be causing the Europeans to think about changing their system? Chelsea found out quickly that having Mourinho in the front office with Grant hovering in the back office could quickly lead to trouble. I would say without the in-fighting between the two that the PL would have had a different champion last season. Seems to me that the key is having a strong manager with vision, the best funding the club can reasonably afford, a supportive chairman above, and a support team of the managers choosing below. Then let them get on with building a team of loyal and committed personnel on the field. KK may not be perfect but I think he was getting a closer to the better model, and would have got a lot closer given the chance.

    Please read the full Sir Bobby article on the “system” and people MA put in place, not the abridged stuff kicking around in some of the press, as it is a beautiful thing. I particularly like the piece where the Director of Football stole Sir Bobby’s seat at the back so he could sneak off instead of watching a whole preseason game. Now there’s a big difference; a lifelong fan who wants to support the club [that treated him somewhat shabbily in the end] and the team, whilst the guy who’s being paid a million can’t be bothered to do his job of supporting the manager. I bet KK and his team watched more second string games than the DoF for whom it was his greatest priority.
    Read it and maybe you’ll maybe get more of an idea of what MA has done wrong. He made the executive appointments, he set up a bunch of liars and schemer’s with no experience of running a football club in place, and he has now removed anybody who could be considered as being trustworthy.

    As far as what Ashley has done wrong, oh my lord!

    You say he is business savvy, fine I can see where that comes from. However there is always an element of horses for course in business. MA is a low cost, low margin, wheeler dealer, entrepreneur type. He has also been branded as a notoriously risk averse operator. So when did the EPL become low cost and risk averse business venture. Not all businessmen succeed in all types of business venture, Donald Trump anyone!

    As for paying off debt etc., I believe he knows more than his “lack of due diligence” would suggest. I would bet he knew the total price including debt repayments [risk averse], I am sure he had a worst case scenario worked out. Given what he is doing now I would say he is on his way to a medium term good return scenario. He is reducing cost and was probably on his way through an asset stripping exercise until KK rudely interrupted him. He looks to be on a course to maintain mid table PL at best with minimum investment using all excess TV money etc. to pay down debt etc. Every other investor that moves into the PL and buys a team is raising the stock in all the other clubs right now, demand and supply, and MA will be aware of this. He will sell when the number is right.
    I was once taught that “the business of business is business” as a justification for company’s not seeking to exceed legal requirements for environmental waste “dumping”. If business is your angle for NUFC then be prepared to put up with a whole heap of **** in your back yard.

    Tom_Toon, have you ever managed real people or is it strictly a computer simulation thing?
    I work in an environment where if things break down people really do get fired [not with a multi million pound payout that will give them time to mull their next step over either]. I have a team of people working for me, and if I need to move one on because they aren’t making the grade I ask HR to help me through the process, or if I need to recruit I ask HR to find me suitable candidates. Nobody, not even my boss, forces me to take anyone or let somebody go [unless the company is really in the toilet], it’s my final decision because if it all goes wrong it isn’t going to be HR getting their marching orders it’s me and the people at the blunt end. That’s why they support and assist me. Things work well when the management chain is based on true accountability.

    Connect the dots, we all want success, but the thing about NUFC and it’s supporters is that we want to do it with style, grace and honour. Or maybe I’m wrong and we’d have been better off if KK had never shown up. Then we could all be wishing instead for the glory days before we got relegated to the third division.

  • 94 MichaelOWaN // Sep 9, 2008 at 5:13 AM

    We need Warren Buffett to buy the club.

  • 95 Sav // Sep 9, 2008 at 5:20 AM

    I’m no mathematician, but if Ashley bought the club for 135 million and only subsequently found out it had hidden debts of 80 – 100 million which he says he has paid off, how come the price being generally quoted for the club is now 240 million?

    Surely it is still worth just 135 million?

    Secondly, call me a conspiracy theorist, but there have been so many totally party-line blog entries on this and other sites spouting pro-Ashley rubbish, I find it hard to believe that Derek Llambias and his buddies are not behind most of them.

    Hell, he does f..all else.

    It seems the ‘club insider’ and the ‘unnamed source’ is his idea of communicating with the fans, so filling in blog entries under assumed names is completely in line with club policy.

  • 96 McN41R // Sep 9, 2008 at 5:40 AM

    Are all fanzines and supporters Clubs acting in Unison. If they are not then everybody is wasting their time.

    I think that only the combination of the above and non attendance at matches is the only way to hurt Ashley. If people want to support the team then. Its a big car park outside. I am sure the players know it has nothing to do with them.

  • 97 evildick // Sep 9, 2008 at 6:28 AM

    we may replace KK, but we can’t replace the trust – which has been well and truly broken, between the board and the fans.

    one of us has to go, the fans or the board. it’s terminal.

  • 98 Charlie // Sep 9, 2008 at 6:44 AM

    I think Ashley is trying to sell Owen because Owen wont sign another bloody contract. I’d rather have sold him for 7 mill and used the money for a replacement than see him walk in January which lets face unless Ashley finds a friggin amazing manager and buys some serious players is going to happen.

    90% of us want to see Barton goes and I agree with Ashley on that one.

    Kev is too emotional. He should have stuck by the players and the club instead of walking. If he really asked for Lampard, Henry and Beckham he has lost his mind and maybe Ashley did not envisinge this for his club. Buying over the hill players who are no doubtly skillful but a quick fix at best.

    Keegs wanted to be in the top 4 by January by spending stupidly. Ashley thinks it should take 3 or 4 seasons and investment in youth is the way to build a good team.

  • 99 Socrates // Sep 9, 2008 at 6:56 AM



    Total nonsense.

    In his first spell as NUFC manager he saved us from relegation to the 3rd tier, got us promoted to the 1st tier, made us the second best team in the country and had a win %age of over 50% … all within just 5 seasons at the club.

    That’s an astonishing achievement by any standards.

    Furthermore, he had us playing entertaining football and established a fantastic relationship with the fans.

  • 100 vic // Sep 9, 2008 at 7:04 AM


  • 101 Socrates // Sep 9, 2008 at 7:06 AM

    “KK left Newcastle because the board wouldn’t let him speand 200 million on over priced players”

    That’s a lie.

    He left because his final say on players bought and sold was removed.

  • 102 Len // Sep 9, 2008 at 7:26 AM

    I recall a direct quote from MA saying he had replaced external debt with an interest free loan of 100 million from him. Plus the money we owe on transfers.

  • 103 Mark // Sep 9, 2008 at 7:35 AM

    Its coz hes not geordie and hasnt spent the required 100+ million to show that hes ‘commited’ to nufc

  • 104 Ageordiedoonsooth // Sep 9, 2008 at 7:45 AM

    Tom Toon asked what has Ashley done wrong. The BIG thing he has done wrong is to think he can run the club remotely. The management & by that I mean the Team Coaches & Manager, The Chairman & the Director of Football MUST live within an hour of the club. Sir Bobby Robson wrote a great article in the papers stating that when he was manager it was in his contract that he had to live within 20 miles of SJP. THat is the main reason why Ashley has to go or make Wise & co move up to the North East. He states that bhe wants to run Newcastle as a business, in business the Directors & Senior Managers work at their place of business not 300 miles away.

  • 105 mitch // Sep 9, 2008 at 7:53 AM

    I am sick to death of ashley and his cronies tom toon you are a tool along with your pro Ashley mates What you fail to see is everyone hates a liar and MA and cronies are that they have lost are trust you see KK always said it the way it was as did arther cox and trust is the most important part of any relationship but now its gone. We can see Gollum=wise and the others trying to weave there way in to our club appoint poyet his mate it has all been done underhanded. THE TABLOIDS some one mentioned we tke to much notice of them no we dont but if we did who else do we listen to as noone from NUFC is answering

  • 106 Marty // Sep 9, 2008 at 7:55 AM

    ONE THING IS GRAND is PROTESTING but you guys with the PETITION want to DESTROY him and his BUSINESSES.
    You want to BLACKEN his NAME.
    Dont think this all gives POTENTIAL buyers a wish to buy us out when our fans act in REVOLT against the owner……
    Remember we are Geordie faithful we are not the Scumbags of MAN U n SPUDS

  • 107 Len // Sep 9, 2008 at 7:59 AM

    My take on MA business plan. Why would you want to waste your time, energy and a small fortune supporting a business plan? We are not the football club SBR supported as a boy. We are just a cash cow.

  • 108 Marty // Sep 9, 2008 at 7:59 AM

    But we gotta go to the gamen support the Black n White stripes

  • 109 ed_speed // Sep 9, 2008 at 8:13 AM

    morning lads

  • 110 The Entertainers // Sep 9, 2008 at 8:15 AM

    Still nothing regarding Terry Mac on the offical outlet.

    Thanks board for respecting the fans and keeping us up to date with recent departures.

    Oh and exactly what the club are doing to mend fences and move forward……sorry asking for too much again……….Regardless of other more high profile events, the PR reason alone would give me cause to ask for your removal. Your treatment of fans is shocking!

  • 111 toontony // Sep 9, 2008 at 8:19 AM

    According to reports newcastle met poyet in london last night and he could be ready to take the job.
    Reports say he is a very good friend of Jiminez who had a cotraversial role in getting rid of keeegan, i think this has been the plan all along jobs for the boys.
    Roll on Saturday lets be heard and get these arseholes out………

  • 112 radge // Sep 9, 2008 at 8:24 AM

    I’ve been watching this board for a while now, with the occasional post criticising keegan for walking out on us. I agree that MA and his team have made a lot of mistakes, but i don’t accept for a moment that he, or anyone else hasn’t been working with the interests of the club in mind, and for it’s benefit. Why would they? Why would Wise think “i know, i’ll sign a bunch of really crap players…that’ll do my chances of keeping my job or getting another one the world of good”. In my opinion, Keegan has acted purely in his own interests, and to walk out of us is the reaction of someone who doesn’t give a jot about the club or the fans.

    I despair when i read some of the comments here. It makes the majority of fans sound like self-righteous, parochial rabble-rousers. Stuff like criticising the board because they’re from London, whilst pleading someone from Mumbai to buy us who we all know nothing about, including Shearer9’s classic comment about whether he actually speaks english!!?!

    Zico, who achieved more in football as a player and a manager than Keegan, wouldn’t have a problem working within the system put in place by Ahsley. My only concern about him is that he’s actually interested in the job. Anyone who wants to come to newcastle and manage a club supported by the half-witted mob that we’ve got clearly needs help!

  • 113 HeronMag // Sep 9, 2008 at 8:29 AM

    So the camp seems split today.

    One the one hand we have the pro-Ashley supporters who see Ashley’s refusal to relent to Keegan’s demands as pragmatic business sense.
    On the other, you have the majority view that KK was appointed as a PR stunt and has since been undermined by a series of back office appointments diluting his influence over the club.

    I have no doubt that to the board, their action was prefectly justified. That egotistical dreamer Keegan making silly demands like wanting to be given the authority he was promised. Who was Keegan to challenge the attempted sale of vital members of his first team squad? Keegan should have been delighted to see players he had never wanted arrive at St James Park without his agreement, leaving no money for other purchases. Of course I’m sure through all this the fans can take an average 10% increase in prices, way above inflation.

    Keegan is a man who has always worn his heart on his sleeve. When he says he had to resign for the good of the club I trust him. All of the fans who don’t trust KK I assume are either foreign or don’t remember his previous tenure.

    Keegan has exposed the actions of this clubs board for all to see. I for one have complete faith in the man and can admit to having made a massive mistake over trusting Ashley’s board.

    Newcastle United will go on – with or without Ashley. But Keegan has given us ample warning of his style of ownership. I think MA has seriously underestimated the importance of the fan’s opinions on this one.

    Time will tell.

  • 114 mitch // Sep 9, 2008 at 8:29 AM

    nepotism at it best you twats we will have our revenge mark my words the toon army will not stand for it we are loyal ,passionate ,and let our views known the qualities MA and co do not know or possess lets get behind the players and sing are hearts out for the lads on saturday new players as well

  • 115 The Entertainers // Sep 9, 2008 at 8:29 AM

    Anyone who uses a Newcastle United blog site, who appears to have complete distain towards large parts of the organisation (the fans) is clearly a half wit wasting his time

  • 116 bill // Sep 9, 2008 at 8:35 AM

    Take a swipe at me if ALL-WISE fans and Tom Toon look like Ashley lackies to me.

  • 117 xisco biscuits // Sep 9, 2008 at 8:35 AM

    not sure how you lads feel but for me, the worst things about ashley and his cronies is the contempt with which they treat the fans. they don’t release statements for days on end, and then when they do finally release one they simply insult our intelligence by backtracking on things they had said in previous statements. sheer arrogance by untouchable london-based gangsters who are completely unaccountable for their actions!!

  • 118 mitch // Sep 9, 2008 at 8:35 AM

    That half witted mob you talk of ( and you do look down on as you obviously think you are superior) Why should they not have there view they are fans of NUFC and just because they express them self in a different way the only they know how what makes their view any less than yours you are the idiot for thinking your opinion means anymore than anyone else’s

  • 119 mitch // Sep 9, 2008 at 8:37 AM

    well said xsico biscuits

  • 120 toontony // Sep 9, 2008 at 8:41 AM

    All ashley is doing is lining his pockets and running the club down,keeping costs down and ripping us fans off for the next 3 years with season tickets so he can sell for a profit.
    Ashley and his cronies will never be welcome in newcastle again filled the fans with false promises and treat everyone like dirt on the way…

  • 121 geordiejayne // Sep 9, 2008 at 8:41 AM


    Fact – we only have Ashley’s word for how much debt we were in.

    FACT – If Mike Ashley is a good business man like some of you are saying, why did he not get the books checked. that would be the first thing you would do before you bought a club. We were a PLC they have to be made public.

    Are you saying John Hall did not ever look at the books – he knew – hence Ashley knew if it is true.

    FACT – It was said that Mike had loaned NUFC the money to pay off debt – so we do owe him the money instead.

    To the supporters of Ashley if we get some more players etc etc, we thought we were getting alot more players than we did considering they had sold plenty of them leaving our squad thin and bare.

    I wonder where your loyalty will be when we have an spate of injuries and there is only inexperienced youngsters left to play.

  • 122 geordiejayne // Sep 9, 2008 at 8:45 AM

    Has anyone noticed that SOME of the pro Ashley fans have never been on this site before, interesting – Toon or not Toon me thinks

  • 123 Toon Chicken // Sep 9, 2008 at 8:52 AM

    geordiejayne – I can’t actually remember seeing you around here for long.

    If you had been you would know that almost all of the fans on here that are somewhat less hysterical than your self have been here since way back at the start of last season.

    It seems to me that since this horrible mess started there have been a lot more new posters taking your lynch-mob type stance on the matter – calling for the heads of Ashley and Wise and advocating violence and theft.

  • 124 KKToon // Sep 9, 2008 at 8:55 AM

    radge you talk complete nonsense son!!!

  • 125 geordiejayne // Sep 9, 2008 at 8:56 AM

    TOON CHICKEN – I actually said some of the fans on here not all. Abviously we all know who you are, you make it quite clear.

    And I have wrote on here for a long time just not as often as You

  • 126 geordiejayne // Sep 9, 2008 at 8:58 AM

    Spello – OBVIOUSLY

  • 127 Ross // Sep 9, 2008 at 9:03 AM

    so a few days later and numerous people are again backing ashley?
    i wont have it if i’m honest. i’ll admit i was first to back him in the past but not anymore.
    If we get gus poyet i’ll be thoroughly unimpressed. Ashley needs to try and change our minds somehow which in my view is impossible anyway.
    Gus Poyet (although i have nothing against the man) would not be the way to do it.
    As far as saturday goes, the moment the game kicks off get behind them. before k.o/half time/full time let it be known what we think of the board in full voice however.

  • 128 Gordon // Sep 9, 2008 at 9:08 AM

    “Anyone who wants to come to newcastle and manage a club supported by the half-witted mob that we’ve got clearly needs help!”


    That’s really quite insulting. You’re talking about fans who care about their club and are passionate to see it succeed.

    To a certain extent your thoughts on KK as manager are irrelevant.

    MA bought the club without a due diligence and then discovered £80 million worth of debt. I mean WTF? Is this the sort of impetuous man to bring stability to our club.

    Then MA employed KK. Whatever you think about KK, MA is ultimately responsible. He knew he was employing a legend in the eyes of many fans and he knew the sort of manager KK is. The buck stops with MA.

    Perhaps he just employed KK for the publicity coup but, if so, he’s being very irresponsible about his handling of Geordie legend.

    KK is nobody’s puppet manager and anyone in football would know that. If MA wanted a puppet manager to suit his ‘system’ he should have employed one. Maybe he was blinded by the shirt sales KK would bring in.

    Then, through this crisis, he can’t even be bothered to fly back from America to deal with it or communicate any reassurances or explanations to the fans. Instead he just releases a bunch of “it wasn’t me” defences to rankle the fans more.

    Now really, does this sound like the guy to take NUFC forward?

    As for his ‘Arsenal Model’ … that has some merits (although I believe it’s better when balanced with some experienced players).

    But none of the long-term successful PL teams use the ‘continental style’ DoF who overrides the manager in choice of players. And the PL is the most successful league in Europe.

    So we have to wonder at his choice of management structure in the first place.

  • 129 craig chisholm // Sep 9, 2008 at 9:10 AM

    ok you very few pro ashley arsewipes, how do you feel about gus poyet then?? cos he is going to be the new boss of our once great club. thats godda be good news for you, after all, terry mac who has been here for over ten yeaers is now gone and with him he turned out the last light as one of the management that actually care about us. Look on the bright side though, at least there will be no more arguments as poyet has for a long time been a puppet to wise and thats exactly what they have been after. This stinks to the rafters and suddenly we can see the big picture – ok, maybe not the tom toon type so called supporter, but real supporters will see that this truly has been a case of constructive dismissal and they have used kev all along to get them through last season. the truth be known, they have probably treated him so shit that they were trying to get him to go sooner – its only been keegans love of newcaslte that kept him in there. i be you that poyet chose the two signings that arrived out of the blue on the last day of the window. Keegan has been treated shockingly and so have we. ashley thinks he can do anything and get away with it – some of you arses on here will let him, thank hevens that most of us can see the truth and are not blinkered. This is no longer about keegan and has not been since the day he left really, its about us trying to save our club from these shitheads.
    geordiejane, good posts for a lass!!!

  • 130 Mark // Sep 9, 2008 at 9:13 AM

    “That’s really quite insulting. You’re talking about fans who care about their club and are passionate to see it succeed.”

    well people are insulting him for ‘supporting’ MA so dont dish out what you cant take comes to mind.

    and craig…ah speculate speculate speculate…do it enough and people will believe it to be the truth

  • 131 geordie jock // Sep 9, 2008 at 9:15 AM

    I see all the new bloggers on the site are nearly all pro fat B*****d. They can’t all be toon fans because true fans would not be taken in by all the lies etc. I reckon most are mackems + smoggies who have come onto the site to cause trouble. No true toon fan would stand by fat B*****d and his croonies after the contempt they have shown the club and the fans.

  • 132 Gordon // Sep 9, 2008 at 9:16 AM

    “well people are insulting him for ’supporting’ MA so dont dish out what you cant take comes to mind.”

    The difference, Mark, is that I’m not dishing out any insults at all. I’m debating the situation without calling pro-Ashley supporters ‘half-witted’.

  • 133 Stamford Toon // Sep 9, 2008 at 9:16 AM

    What a mess. The hysterical reaction of so many fans can only be bad for the club and increase the media ‘fest’. The more you slate MA the more damage you will do for the future of the club. Why you ignore KK’s part in all this is beyond me. He knew what the scene was and I believe tried to manipulate the board into getting his own way. (probably banking on the fans support to back him up and sway the board…….wouldn’t any so called Messiah). When he failed he reverted to type and walked.
    It is probably the blind support of so many that made KK think he could control MA. It looks to me that the meetings called by MA and the 3/4 day discussions aat the end was MA trying to keep KK but within the framework that he wanted the club to be run. Now the blind support is bringing the club into disrepute.

  • 134 craig chisholm // Sep 9, 2008 at 9:19 AM

    mark…another knob that has never been heard of before on this blog. you pro ashley , wise and poyet dicks make me puke.

  • 135 Frankieboy // Sep 9, 2008 at 9:22 AM

    I was pro Ashley before this all blew and genuinly believed he was putting the club on a sound financial footing…for the benefit of all . Hands up how wrong was I and i apologise to those who tried to convince me and others we were being decieved.
    I do not in any way condone violence but if Ashley attempts to attend games on the terraces then I honestly believe his safety is far from guaranteed, even with extra bodyguards employed , reported ex SAS and Ghurka’s on SSN as I type.
    MA you are not wanted, you are not one of us so take your extended family of greedy “know nowts” with you.

  • 136 HeronMag // Sep 9, 2008 at 9:23 AM

    Stamford Toon – You say Keegan ‘knew what the scene was’.

    That is the whole issue!

    Keegan left because the authority he was promised was removed and his decisions superseded. Both Wise and Mort openly acknowledged KK’s decision was final and the LMA has revealed KK left because he found that was simply not the case. Now Llambias has come out and said that KK was aware he would have to ‘report’ to a director of football. There is no way Keegan would ever have agreed to that, know who I believe.

  • 137 F T Maxwell // Sep 9, 2008 at 9:23 AM

    You anti Ashley lynch mob types are too stupid to realise that Ashley is MORE likely to spend when he has his own people in. Keegan was yesterdays man, get over him! Newcastle were never going to pull up any trees with him back in charge.

  • 138 Gordon // Sep 9, 2008 at 9:24 AM

    “It looks to me that the meetings called by MA and the 3/4 day discussions aat the end was MA trying to keep KK but within the framework that he wanted the club to be run.”

    You mean the meetings MA couldn’t be bothered to fly back from America to attend?

    So, how much does he care about this club?

  • 139 Toon Chicken // Sep 9, 2008 at 9:25 AM

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Ashley’s biggest mistake was hiring Keegan in the first place, but I honestly believe he did it with the best interests of the club and the fans at heart.

    If you think about it rationally there is absolutely no way that a man who has been out of football for over 3 years (and in that time NEVER watched a game of football) can be expected to manage a Premier League football club.

    Football had moved on, Kevin had stood still at best. How could anyone expect him to be able to identify tangible transfer targets?

    My take on the situation is that Kevin was indeed given the final say on who we would buy or sell, but the job of identifying those players was very much the responsibility of Wise and his team (for which no wan can argue they have done anything but a fantastic job). I imagine that Kevin initially thought he could work within that structure but over time probably realised that their opinions and his ideas were poles apart. Failing to land a suitable replacement for Milner after Kevin approved the sale and promised the fans was probably the final straw.

    I do believe that the club wanted Kevin to stay. Unfortunately he chose to walk. In my opinion it is the timing of his departure that is the most difficult thing to deal with moving forward. As much as I love him and remembered his first spell in charge with fondness, I didn’t think he was the right man for the job this time round.

    Saying this does not make a pro-Ashley supporter or a Wise fan – more of a realist. I think Ashley has done a lot of good at NUFC but he has made mistakes also. Chris Mort was always a temporary appointment but I think he should have done more to keep him or, at the very least, replaced him with someone without the social skills of a slug (Derek Llambias). I also think he could have chosen someone more ‘fan-friendly’ than Wise to work with the manager (although it would be difficult to argue he hasn’t done a good job).

    What Ashley needs to do now is set up a proper line of communication with the fans. That means appointing a Chairman of Mort’s ilk and removing Derek Llambias (spelling?). I also think it would be a good idea to have respected member of a fans group sit in on board meetings. Most importantly though he needs to bring in a top class manager that fits with our new, and in my opinion improved, recruitment program. Then and only then can we put this whole mess behind us. And maybe then some fans might put down the pitch forks and pick up a scarf again.

  • 140 craig chisholm // Sep 9, 2008 at 9:26 AM

    ok you lot, this is getting mad now, me too so i am sorry but you must all be on crack for standing with ashley. lets strip away all the crap to its bare bones and look at the only reason why keegan left this club. forget all this other shite about continental set up bollocks etc. Keegan left because players were being bought and sold without even asking him. Thats the only reason he has gone – FORGET EVERYTHING ELSE. now this is after ashley, wise and mort have said that keegan has the final say on ins and outs. they have said that in black ink and on tv. There is not a decent manager in the world that would stand for it. some dickhead mentioned arsene – you think he would still be at arse if they bought and sold without telling him? nope. It is no coincidence that every single footballing great that has commented on this has SIDED WITH KEEGAN, not one person has agreed with the way our club has been run. Now you tel me, maybe i am wrong, but is sir bobby robson wrong, ruud guillet wrong, shearer wrong, moyes wrong, everyone else wrong too. So this is the bare bones. nothing more.

  • 141 Stamford Toon // Sep 9, 2008 at 9:29 AM

    Fully with you Toon Chicken.

  • 142 GM // Sep 9, 2008 at 9:30 AM

    Am I missing something with the 3 year season ticket thing, people further up stating that MA has pocketed all the seson ticket money for the next 3 years???

    I took out that option, but I have not paid up front for the 3 years, the direct debits dont start coming out till November time I think and then carry on mothly after that.

    So those who said he has pocketed the cash are wrong. Not having ago at anyone just stating a fact, I for one welcomed that idea as it means I can afford to buy the season ticket rather than having to fork out over £500 each summer.

  • 143 IanG // Sep 9, 2008 at 9:30 AM

    It will take a lot more than a few of Ashley’s cronies invading a blog like this to change true fans opinions of him and his management team.

    The gate at Bolton was down on average and I am convinced that the recipts from the Hull game will give Ashley the shock of his short sighted life. I believe that significant numbers will boycott the game and it is likely that the “picket line” will disuade others from entering the ground.

    I just hope that fans will be able to see past the “we need the 3 points” and “the lads need our support” propaganda.

  • 144 Mark // Sep 9, 2008 at 9:30 AM

    I was just speculating on a reason why he was calling people he didnt agree half witted. Sorta defending his right to comment I suppose
    I didnt mean you were insulting him or nething.

    Ah craig.. I’ve been on here for ages ( I just dont post as much you) If you have the time go back a few months and you’re bound to find some comments from me.

    and I am pro ashley because what? I dont feel like goin militant on some guys ass?

  • 145 Elliott // Sep 9, 2008 at 9:31 AM

    The camp is not split. We, the fans, want Ashley out. There is a disproportionate amount of Ashley supporting new posters on here, they are not fans, they’re either club insiders or WUMs. It’s the same on all the forums. All the Ashley supporters are newbs, what a coincidence. Tom_toon, you might know the names of a lot of players but if you really want Ashley at this club you need to go back to school and learn about this sport we love called football. While you’re there try to do some reading on PR, class, morals and ambition.

    Really, the club, whoever was responsible for bringing the players through the door brought some good players in through the summer. Well done. But it’s no good doing half a job, it completely undermines the work you’ve done. The squad is still woefully short in key areas, areas we have known needed strengthening since last Xmas. Those issues have not been addressed by the management team. I could go into detail about entering a PL campaign with only 2 recognised full backs, one CB with any worthwhile PL experience etc etc but I think we can all see the holes in our squad. Therefore I have no faith in them steering this club to success. That’s before we get on to any of the other issues to do with the lies, funding, PR etc. Really to sell Milner for £12m was a great deal, I would have supported that as I don’t rate him in that bracket at all. But to sell him 3 days before the window shut with no equal or better replacement lined up, especially with a midfield so clearly lacking in attacking threat, was utter schoolboy. Complete amateur stuff. How ,Tom_toon and the “insiders”, does that demonstrate how fing great this “continental system” is? To me it just shows our management up as fools.

  • 146 bigpeaovtheweab // Sep 9, 2008 at 9:32 AM

    GET THE FAT TWAT OUT!!!!!!!!!!

  • 147 Graham // Sep 9, 2008 at 9:32 AM

    Morning boys n girls! All ready for another day of Ashley Bashin?

    Not sure if its true but there are reports this morning that Poyet has been offered the job of manager / coach / bitch / yes man (delete as appropriate)

  • 148 Graham // Sep 9, 2008 at 9:35 AM

    GM – not sure about the legalities on this but I would check the conditions of purchase. The money may not come out till November, but you have obviously signed up for something. It may well tie you into to pay.

  • 149 IanG // Sep 9, 2008 at 9:38 AM

    Yes, I heard that about Poyet on Talk Sport, not exactly impartial that station but Poyet would be a fool if he accepted the job, unless he gets a great big fat contract that protects him in the event of dismissal or a takeover.

  • 150 Toon Chicken // Sep 9, 2008 at 9:39 AM

    IanG – anyone who tries to stand in a “picket line” will be arrested and rightly so.

    Whatever your opinion it is totally wrong to think you have the right to force it on other fans. Most of the major fanzines and supporters sites are not support in support of a boycott and in no way are they condoning violent demonstrations of any kind.

  • 151 Irish John // Sep 9, 2008 at 9:39 AM

    Mike Ashley fans = Ass lickers

    The guy is an idiot and will now never be accepted …Our club is a complete laughing stock off the prem over this guy…We have the worst owner in the prem ..FACT ….

    Look at lerner for Villa…The guy is close but does’nt have the same wealth as Ashley and what has he spent, 70 mill maybe in the last 2 years..

    While Ashley is in charge we will never be in the top 6 ..

  • 152 GM // Sep 9, 2008 at 9:41 AM

    Graham – yes i know that, i did call to find out if I could cancel the direct debit but was told that i couldnt legally.

    My point was that others further up the chain stated that MA had ALREADY pocketed the cash this is simply not true, maybe they are not season ticket holders and think the 3 year season ticket had to be paid out straight away, so he hasnt got 3x the amount of season ticket money to either buy or noy buy players with or stuff it in his arse pocket and do one.

  • 153 Toon Chicken // Sep 9, 2008 at 9:42 AM

    Irish John – how do you expect anyone to read your posts, let alone take you seriously when you open up with childish and pathetic comments like that?

  • 154 Irish John // Sep 9, 2008 at 9:44 AM

    take it your an Ashley fan then

  • 155 Ian // Sep 9, 2008 at 9:44 AM

    IanG – exactly they must think that we are stupid a few of Ashley’s cronies typing on here trying to cause trouble in the camp.

    I cannot believe that anyone believes a word he has said after the official club statements and Ashley’s own words, plus other board members contradict each other and they are on film and digital recorders not to mention witnessed!!

    Is the club debt written off?? Ashley says so.

    Then it must be!!

  • 156 Irish John // Sep 9, 2008 at 9:45 AM

    mate, your name is Chicken.. enough said

  • 157 GM // Sep 9, 2008 at 9:45 AM

    Toonchicken comment 135 agree with you m8 that is quiet close to the way I feel whrn KK was appointed i didnt feel he was right and felt the club missed a trick, like it seems to have done on many occasions when appointing a new manager.

  • 158 The Entertainers // Sep 9, 2008 at 9:46 AM

    There are reports this morning that Anil or his company Alliance may yet still make a bid and denied making a denial !!! Is that a double negative?

    I dont care…..there is hope when all else is lost, there is a chink of light when the dark clouds still gather……oh the hysteria!

    Just bloody sell big fellow

  • 159 Toon Chicken // Sep 9, 2008 at 9:47 AM

    No, Irish John, I’m a NUFC fan.

    Thanks for asking though – now back to your colouring books or it’ll be straight to bed an no supper for you.

  • 160 Toon Chicken // Sep 9, 2008 at 9:48 AM

    Irish John – yes my name really is Chicken. Just like you were christened Irish John – duh!!!

  • 161 IanG // Sep 9, 2008 at 9:50 AM

    Toon Chicken // Sep 9, 2008 at 9:39 146

    Hang on a bit, I was giving my opintion (which I am fully entitled to do) on what I believe will happen, that is very different to advocating that as a course of action.

  • 162 chinzaknuk // Sep 9, 2008 at 9:51 AM

    If MA and the current board think that they have done nothing wrong and that the current situation is mainly down to KK, then why don’t they have the guts to stand in front of a camera or give an interview and state their case to their customers?

    The fact that they merely post statements or leak dubious comments from ‘an insider’ says a lot to me.

    If they truely believe in the current structure of the club and had respect for the fans, then they should show themselves.

  • 163 geordiejayne // Sep 9, 2008 at 9:53 AM

    chinzaknuk – I totally agree.

    Now both sides Pro Ashley and NOT pro Ashley should agree

    Aye Chicken

  • 164 Toon Chicken // Sep 9, 2008 at 9:55 AM

    IanG – it doesn’t say much for your opinion of NUFC fans and Geordies if you expect them to start fighting amongst themselves in full view of the world’s media which, mark my words, is exactly what will happen if fans try and stop other fans from entering the ground on Saturday.

  • 165 Will // Sep 9, 2008 at 9:57 AM

    @ Take a swipe at me if ALL-WISE fans

    DIE and take Cashley, ‘not-so’ Wise and Lambchops with you.

  • 166 geordiejayne // Sep 9, 2008 at 9:57 AM

    Toon Chicken Ian already said he was not advocating it just thought out loud. End of

  • 167 Will // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:00 AM

    “Most of the major fanzines and supporters sites are not support in support of a boycott and in no way are they condoning violent demonstrations of any kind.” – ToonChicken

    Are you for real? The two afformentioned fanzines dnt condone violence and also only suggest boycottin the merchandise. How wud buying merchandise help the players?


  • 168 IanG // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:00 AM

    Toon Chicken // Sep 9, 2008 at 9:55 160

    You seem to be intent on inflaming the discussion for some bizarre reason. In two separate posts you have mentioned “violence” and “fighting”.

    Have you every heard of peer group pressure?

  • 169 Toon Chicken // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:03 AM

    I agree 100% chinzaknuk – things wouldn’t be anywhere hear as bad if the board had communicated with the fans properly – they owe us that much at least.

    I actually said in my post earlier that Ashley needs to open a proper line of communication with the fans – starting with the replacement of Llambas and the appointment of a new Chairman along the lines of Chris Mort. I also think it would be good to have a fans rep at board meetings to communicate true fan opinion.

    Geordiejayne – will you please stop making this a Pro/Anti-Ashley thing – you are missing the point completely.

  • 170 Black and White Blood // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:04 AM

    Without intentionally offending anyone, I am disappointed; rather, I’m ashamed of our once great fans. In my opinion, most appear to have lost the little loyalty that they retained. Very few of you actually have a backbone. For the first time in 32 years of supporting Newcastle United, I’m ashamed to call my self a fan, if I am to be compared to some of you. Of course you may disagree, that is your right, you are entitled to your opinion.

    When I was a young boy, supporting Newcastle United was completely different; it was special; fans then were passionate and dedicated to ensuring the future well being of the club. In today’s climate, individuals are lazy and unwilling to act, instead refusing to acknowledge what’s best for the club in the long run and merely put their needs first. It has all changed. In fact I forgot the last time I witnessed an atmosphere at SJP, it’s been that many years. At the away games, our fans have been amazing, those are what I call the ‘Real Fans’ as are the following:

    Hate Prawn Sandwich

    Again my comments are not intended to insult anyone, I’m merely presenting my opinion.

  • 171 Ericles // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:05 AM

    The fanzine statement is most welcome and is a good plan of action. Despite what some bloggers think it is obvious that Ashley and Co have behaved in a despicable and hypocritical way towards KK, the fans, the supporters, players, coaching staff, and the city itself. Ashley’s cohorts have lied, twisted, and cheated all and sundry. They have misled the press and people of Newcastle. WE must hope above all else that NUFC will be taken over eventually by an interested party and we can see rid of the present encumbent saboteurs. I fear it will be a while. So in the meantime I think the fanzine plan is a good place and way to start.

  • 172 Irish John // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:07 AM

    Chicken, why are you taking offence …I said all ASHLEY FANS = Ass licking…not NUFC fans…

    Ashley needs to be rid off…The way he treated the king is unacceptable….The way he treats us is unacceptable..Im completely sick to death off the propaganda coming from the club and infortunatley the small few are falling for it .

    Its important that the majority stay strong and stick to the proposed boycott like a religion…Not just for the hull game..

  • 173 Berti // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:08 AM

    All this talk is a waste of time.The only way forward is a new owner and a well respected new manager.Ashley has lost the faith of the only people that matter and thats the fans. He has no way back.Lets hope the Hull game is the start of a brand new regime and lets get back to supporting the team we love !!

  • 174 carl // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:08 AM

    totally agree with what their saying.this is mind numbing now.

  • 175 Graham // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:08 AM

    Instead of having silly little slanging matches like 10 year olds we need to be putting up a united front against the Ashley reign.

    I’m sure that all pro & non pro boycotters will stand side by side at Central Station on Saturday, March up to SJP and make our voices heard. Then, whoever wants to go into SJP will be allowed to do so.

    All people who boycott the match (inc me as I dont have and won’t buy a ticket) will remain outside until full time & continue the demonstrations with the other fans – hopefully after we have gained 3 points.

  • 176 Toon Chicken // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:10 AM


    “Most of the major fanzines and supporters sites are not support in support of a boycott and in no way are they condoning violent demonstrations of any kind.” – ToonChicken

    Are you for real? The two afformentioned fanzines dnt condone violence and also only suggest boycottin the merchandise. How wud buying merchandise help the players?



    If you could be bothered to read my post properly you would see that I was responding to a suggestion of a boycott of the game (nothing to do with merchandise).

    ALSO I said that they ARE NOT condoning any form of violence.

    Have you just woken up or something???

  • 177 geordiejayne // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:11 AM



  • 178 Black and White Blood // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:12 AM

    geordiejayne – WHAT..?

  • 179 radge // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:13 AM

    i’d be more than happy with Poyet, but would prefer Deschamps. I think i read somewhere that we talked to him last time, but decided on KK…

  • 180 carl // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:14 AM

    if gus poyet becomes ,OUR COACH,! we are absolutely f****ng doomed

  • 181 geordiejayne // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:14 AM

    ON METRO RADIO Black and White blood.

    Hubby heard in the car that they are saying he is on his way according to the radio

  • 182 geordiejayne // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:15 AM

    Well Gus has a great managerial track record doesn’t he NOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

  • 183 Toon Chicken // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:15 AM

    IanG –

    Toon Chicken // Sep 9, 2008 at 9:55 160

    You seem to be intent on inflaming the discussion for some bizarre reason. In two separate posts you have mentioned “violence” and “fighting”.

    Have you every heard of peer group pressure?


    Sorry mate but you’ve lost me on this one. Can you explain what you mean about peer group pressure?

    I am not intent on inflaming the discussion I am actually trying to have one but most of the time all i get back is ‘ass-licker’ or ‘tool’.

  • 184 geordiejayne // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:16 AM

    If this is true I am in a bloody dream.

    Did you ever think Wise and his mates would run our club one day.

    I am seethinggggggggggggggggggg

  • 185 carl // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:16 AM

    well i suppose his Head does wobble like a puppets when he talks!! FFS

  • 186 Graham // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:17 AM

    B&W Blood – well said. Gone are the days when people cared passionately enough to do something about it. Now it’s “someone else will so I dont have to”

    Sorry but we do have to on this occassion. For too many years we have have false dawns imposed on us and we have rolled over and accepted it.

    Yes, Ashley owns the club. Yes he can do what he wants with it. But Ashley wont be here in 20 years time; NUFC and its supporters will. We must ensure that NUFC goes on as strong as it possibly can do. Just as my dad demonstrated against Lord Westwood for similar actions as Ashley, I will fight (not literally) for the future of my club and I encourage every true fan to do the same.

    Sorry to sound a bit Winston Churchill but we need to act, and act now!

  • 187 Mark // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:17 AM

    lol gus poyet coming up for an interview… prepare for maximum overdrive protesting

  • 188 geordiejayne // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:19 AM

    GRAHAM – Spot on M8

  • 189 carl // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:19 AM

    a little off the subject, but whats peoples guesses for the score saturday? how do you think the team will play?

  • 190 Nick Leete // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:19 AM

    Protest March !!!!!
    Thanks for reading this, if you are interested in a Protest March on Saturday, please indicate so by signing here

    Ashley Out!!!!!!!!!!

  • 191 Black and White Blood // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:21 AM

    geordiejayne – Well that’s it – there goes the final nail!!!!

  • 192 ken // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:21 AM

    I was bored last night, so i made a VIDEO for the boycott

  • 193 geordie jock // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:21 AM

    Well thats it i’ve had enough of this site ( sorry ed cos i’ve really enjoyed it when true fans wre on it ) but it sems too many ie. Toon chicken, Stamford Toon etc do not give a sh*t about NUFC and all true fans. I will make my protests, stop buying merchandise etc and stand by my beliefs with all true fans.All the best in the future ed great site, some great fans and sorry to say some spineless and disrespectful ars*holes.

  • 194 Graham // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:21 AM

    Did Poyet not leave Leeds to be closer to family in London.

    If this is true, you can guarantee that he will travel up from London. There is no way he will up sticks to Newcastle. Wise & co have set a president by commuting as and when they see fit.

    This is a new low in the history of NUFC if Wise is running the show.

  • 195 broon ale // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:21 AM

    if poyet gets the job he will have my support.

    its neither his fault or the players fault.

  • 196 IanG // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:22 AM

    Toon Chicken // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:15 179

    Here is how Wikipedia defines Peer Group Pressure
    Peer Pressure is a term describing the pressure exerted by a peer group in encouraging a person to change their attitude, behavior and/or morals, to conform to, for example, the group’s actions, fashion sense, taste in music and television, or outlook on life.

    Hope this helps.

  • 197 chinzaknuk // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:22 AM

    Poyet = Cronyism

    Cronyism is partiality to long-standing friends, especially by appointing them to positions of authority, regardless of their qualifications. Hence, cronyism is contrary in practice and principle to meritocracy. Cronyism exists when the appointer and the beneficiary are in social contact; often, the appointer is inadequate to hold his or her own job or position of authority, and for this reason the appointer appoints individuals who will not try to weaken him or her, or express views contrary to those of the appointer

  • 198 carl // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:22 AM

    if poyet comes all hell will break loose on saturday.

  • 199 Black and White Blood // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:23 AM

    Graham – Oops sorry Graham I forgot to add your name – sorry!

  • 200 Will // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:24 AM

    Toon Chicken

    It wasn’t the content of the comment which bthered me as such, it’s the tone your taking for people against Ashley. As if it’s a personal mission to air the opinion of one very backward minority.
    The lad who commented before is a minority if he is mentioning physical force and has nothin to do with the fanzines, so they need not be mentioned.

  • 201 Mark // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:24 AM

    I reckon we are gonna smash hull on the weekend

  • 202 faustino // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:26 AM

    F*ck me, the drama in here. It’s like witnessing the birth of a Faschist regime.

    Simple fact is, all dramtics aside, Ashely and staff need to step down because they have all shown themselves unable to run a football club. Between selling the wrong players, under investment and implementing an in-adequate system that has resulted in yet another manager walking/being sacked, [regardless of who it was] Ashely has undermined an already wavering business.

    For his own good and more importantly the fans good he needs to jack it in; anyway, surely there’s no way he can be sitting in an LA Hotel suite thinking he’s getting this right and there can only be matter of time before he’s gone?

  • 203 IanG // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:26 AM

    Will // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:24 194

    Well said.

    Ironically the only one who mentioned “violence” and “fighting” was Toon Chicken

  • 204 mitch // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:28 AM

    Black and white blood I know what you mean I posted yesterday I am sick of the EPL as look what it has done to our club in the days gone standing on the terraces supporting through thick and thin the board also listened to the fans there bread and butter now rich men just want to get richer talking 100million like it is nothing and taken the piss out of us fans.

    I like you cannot remember the last time st James was on fire the fans singing today we see more of the lets talk and be normal and even people who look down on you when you do sing the snobby twats I only go because NUFC is part of my heritage and as the song goes in my heart you see I can see dark days ahead for my beloved club but I will be there supporting the players but never will I buy anything merchandise from there until Ashley has gone

  • 205 Graham // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:30 AM

    No bother B&W!

  • 206 lesh // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:30 AM

    ‘We advocate supporters vocally expressing their disgust against the current regime whether they are at the match or not, which will act as a clear demonstration of the antipathy of supporters towards Ashley, Llambias and Wise. There should be no abuse directed at any Newcastle United player.’

    Surely not during the match please… support the players on the pitch. Pre match, half time, post match yes but during please, nothing else but vocal support for the players on the pitch.

    They too are victims of the dire circumstances resulting from action that was clearly rash and ill-considered!

  • 207 Kash // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:34 AM

    Any accountants commenting on here? If so:

    If MA wipes out the debt of the company (NUFC) and replaces it with a directors loan (loan from ME to NUFC), would the potential buyer of the club be in debt to MA?

    As NUFC is privately owned we no longer have the ability to view its accounts!

    Anyway, i’m beginning to feel alot better now that Zico has stated his interest. KK may have been the King of the TOON, but Zico is one of the kings of football!!!!

    Imagine the fans all shouting ZICO, ZICO, ZICO!

    Sexy football could be back on the TYNE!

  • 208 hitman // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:34 AM

    keegan never stood a chance when wise came,poyet as manager what a fluckin joke,total boycott theres know other way.

  • 209 Graham // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:34 AM

    So what happens if Poyet gets the job? I can see Broon Ales point that we back him and the players as they are innocent in all of this, and ultimately it is NUFC that we support.

    However, it is clear that Poyet will be Wise’s choice and I can never support that sorry excuse for a (ex) footballer, and I also see B&W Blood’s thoughts behind short term loss for long term gain.

    Basically, my head’s screwed and I haven’t done a days work since last Wednesday

  • 210 dick // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:34 AM

    If poyet comes manager I think they will move training ground and players down to london and travel up to sjp once every 2 weeks to play the home games. May as well, everybody else is f****** down there

  • 211 mitch // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:35 AM


  • 212 Black and White Blood // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:35 AM

    Lesh – I’m amazed at your comments, at the very least, those who choose to attend the match should direct their disgust and distain towards the board for at least 90mins – Seriously I am fed up with this argument ‘we need to support the team’ – Players are big boy with large pay packets, they don’t need your support all of the time, furthermore, with this board in place you will not have a team to support!

    Mitch – Your dead right mate!

  • 213 mitch // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:37 AM

    Kash hope you are taken the piss mate

  • 214 skin d // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:40 AM


  • 215 Toon Chicken // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:41 AM

    IanG & Will – the pair of you seem to have your wires crossed and are actually agreeing on different things.

    If I mention violence in a post it is not because I condone it or wish to see it, quite the opposite in fact. Personally I do not believe that there will be picket lines outside the ground as that sends out the wrong message and will only end in trouble – I have a lot more faith in my fellow fans – you clearly do not.

  • 216 hitman // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:41 AM

    spot onB&WB:the players will still play if the fans stay away it wont put them off,because they know were not pissed at them.

  • 217 Steve T // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:43 AM

    With Zico & Terim interested why would we go for Poyet.

    Both Zico & Terim are well known in world football and both like to play open attacking football. Poyet is a yes man for Wise nothing else! Don’t make your second biggets mistake Fat Ash!!!

  • 218 Born Again Geordie // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:48 AM

    Steve T – i agree – we do not want poyet ! Wise’s puppet ! nothing more nothing less

  • 219 Kash // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:50 AM

    @Mitch – Taken the piss about what?

  • 220 Davies // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:51 AM

    I’ll just be supporting the team from now on then. I don’t like the current situation or what has happened to Keegan. I don’t like the fact that our owner has divided our fans again. Let’s be honest, he’s not the first owner to do it.

    I’m just going to carry on doing what I’ve always done. Hope for the best. Only one person will get Ashley out of toon and that’s Ashley. Nobody else.

    I hope that whatever manager or Coach we get next will take us forward. I will support my team whatever the outcome of all of this mess. Personally, I’d prefer it if we could all just move on and get on with the rest of the season. There is, of course, still a lot of football to play.

  • 221 Gillmag // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:51 AM

    Here is a list (from Wikipaeia) of Mike Ashelys business interests.
    We must boycott this little lot.

    Sports Direct International plc
    Sports World
    JJB Sports
    JD Sports
    Dunlop Slazenger
    Blacks Leisure

  • 222 Kash // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:52 AM

    Agrred Davies!!!! Well said PAL!

  • 223 hitman // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:57 AM

    hit ashley in the pocket and he will be gone,if poyet gets the job the toon are done,its a disgrace.

  • 224 broon ale // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:57 AM

    Ashley has his fat paws in some shite companies, dunlop, slazenger, kangol!!

    no wonder he is struggling!

  • 225 GM // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:58 AM

    @ hitman – how can you say that playing in front of an empty stadium wont put the players off? of course it will esp with a sold out away section.

    Just a question – how many season ticket holders are actually NOT going to the game on Saturday? from what I can gather from other sites .com, toon ultras, true faith N-O etc they are wanting people to still attend but to protest at the ground?

  • 226 Nick 69 // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:59 AM

    if its tru tht gus poyet is on his way up then thts f*kin it.

    only one good thing can come out of tht, and tht is that it will turn a lot of ppl who were sitting on the fence and make the protests for ashley out even stronger.

    once again can i point out that if you notice the majority of those few pro-ashley w*nkers are ARENT even geordies, spyro, tom toon( being born here then moving away doesnt make u a geordie) and aussigeordie, they will never understand NUFC and what it means to the city

  • 227 Born Again Geordie // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:59 AM

    @ Davies – well said mate – this is all too tiring. Can we just get on and support the team. We still have 35 league games left to play and a small but decent squad. Keep the faith – Ashley will feel so uncomfortable he will sell up and walk away. The Toon Army is not to be crossed – MA you have been warned !!!

  • 228 Nick 69 // Sep 9, 2008 at 11:01 AM

    how cum people seem to think its not fair to boycott the game as it wll affect players confidence, but they think it will be better to go into the stadium where the players will be playing and start shouting abuse to the hierachy, surely a bad atmosphere is just as bad, if not worse than empty stadium for the players

  • 229 hitman // Sep 9, 2008 at 11:02 AM

    gm:it wont affect them that much there pros and they know its not aimed at them,but people are saying on here go to the game late and turn your back on the game,thats not the way,boycott the game,like someone has said on here why go for poyet,if zico and terim are interested,its a no brainer,and if poyet got the job we all no why.

  • 230 The Entertainers // Sep 9, 2008 at 11:05 AM

    Davies sensible comments,

    However i still think the majority of fans are United and want the same thing, removal of our current board. I dont think they are split in the general sense, of course there are always going to be a few fans that think differently and a few who dont care that much, but we’re no different to any other football club there either.

    I also hope that when we do get another manager, whoever that may be, that the club will go from strength to strength.

    But i think a lot of fans problem, including mine is that the board have fundementally got alot of things wrong at the club and any new appointment could potentially face the same problems. There is clearly problems between the fans and the board and this too needs addressing and amended.

    I have not really thought too much about our new manager as i think there are far too many bigger problems to be looked at.

  • 231 Gillmag // Sep 9, 2008 at 11:06 AM

    Cant wait till Saturday to see if the fat barsteward turns up.
    Maybe hed like to take a closer look at the river wansbeck

  • 232 hitman // Sep 9, 2008 at 11:07 AM

    has it been confirmed by the club yet ,that terry mac and sadler have gone.

  • 233 vic // Sep 9, 2008 at 11:07 AM

    It is obviously Toon Chicken, Stanford Toon etc -Club/Board insiders.
    Waste of time guys.
    Do not reply to this rubbish.
    DENIS WISE payd for this propaganda to attempt to keep his ass in a 1m/year chair.
    How much guys?

  • 234 The Entertainers // Sep 9, 2008 at 11:10 AM


    the word from inside the walls of SJP is……Terry who?

    If they could only pull their heads from within side theirselves, they may realise the fans would like to be kept informed of current events.

  • 235 GM // Sep 9, 2008 at 11:12 AM

    aye Hitman agree regarding poyet not my choice at all, if he is appointed the club have dropped yet another bollock.

    Just depends on what people want overall for the club, not this week or next week but in April/May and following seasons etc,

    Boycott this game and all the others while MA is in charge, during which time the players WILL get disillusioned and go through the motions getting beat week in week out. As a long term supporter and season ticket holder I dont think I want that to happen, thats why I still want to attend the games and support the 11 on the pitch, I will protest at the owner dont get me wrong but I will still go.

    A number of people I have spoken to at the pub or at work stating that supporters shouldnt go to the game but they are NOT season ticket holders and would not be going if KK was still in charge anyway so I dont see why they should press their opinion on me, they have not made the financial commitment to the club like I have.

  • 236 hitman // Sep 9, 2008 at 11:12 AM

    total lack of respect for us fans,these cockney pr1cks have alot to answer for.

  • 237 Gillmag // Sep 9, 2008 at 11:13 AM

    hitman – I wouldnt have thought they’d have the decency to print this. Its not as high profile as KK, obviously so I bet they hope it wont get discussed too much.

    I wonder if Terry Mac raised the roof and got his marching orders..or if its Ashleys version of ethnic cleansing.

    Barstewards the lot of them!

  • 238 Born Again Geordie // Sep 9, 2008 at 11:14 AM

    @GM – I hold a season ticket and I will be going to the game. As I see it, I have already paid and therfore staying away I would be ‘cutting off my nose to spite my face’.

    However I will not purchase food, drinks, programme, merchandise etc…. whilst Ashley is still in charge.

    Wor lass and I go and can spend on average £20.00 with programme, drinks etc.

    An average of £10 each. 50,000 fans x £10 =

    £500,000.00 (per match)

    Plus he will have to pay all the staff on the food and drink outlets!!!!!

    And there are people on here saying that it won’t make any difference – people think again. I support Newcastle United – NOT Mike Ashley!!!

  • 239 hitman // Sep 9, 2008 at 11:14 AM

    fare point gm,but the players are already disillusioned.

  • 240 geordiejayne // Sep 9, 2008 at 11:15 AM

    Toon Chicken

    Geordiejayne – will you please stop making this a Pro/Anti-Ashley thing – you are missing the point completely.

    I am not missing the point actually, I made the point about the fact that there is a pro and anti ashley debate on here… have said that you are not against Ashley so are PRO.

    I am entitled to my opinion and can say what I feel just as you think that you are.

    Neither you or I have more right than any other so please stop telling me what or what I can or can not say.


  • 241 The Entertainers // Sep 9, 2008 at 11:15 AM

    I understand that it is Ashleys club

    I understand that Wise is more experienced in football than i ever will be.

    I understand we have to move on and appoint a new manager.


  • 242 TOONPIPES // Sep 9, 2008 at 11:16 AM

    Ahhh TOONCHICKEN, pleased to see you are taking up the fight ……. as i have found out it isnt easy being reasonable and making sense and generally trying to have a sensible discussion on here ………. 100% agree with your comments which remain in line with the points i tried to put accross on friday neet ….. not sure you having much more success securing sensible comments in return, i think i managed one or two on friday but not many more …….. have to say, its time to move on guys, MA is out owner, we shud actually be getting behind the team, the players will be looking for our support and leave the arguing about facts that nobody really knows and picketing lines and pocketing and setting online petitions with 57 names on them and wearing t-shirts with stirring messages about MA out when it was probs one of his companys that manfacture the very t-shirts and marching round and round the stadium – it might make MA dizzy admitedly – that shud do the trick, and questioning Wise sexuality …. MA must be quaking in his boots ……. !! ……. Kev had his chance and he didnt like it so he left us ……. times have changed lets move on …. i await the standard abusive comments …. bring them on.

  • 243 Gillmag // Sep 9, 2008 at 11:16 AM

    Just a thought guys
    If KK is our Messiah..doesnt that make MA the Anti-christ!

  • 244 Lost Prophet // Sep 9, 2008 at 11:19 AM

    Ah only Newcastle can generate such emotion!
    I have supported the Toon for 40 years and if I remember correctly the first match Isaw was against coventry in 1967. I have been through relegation, boardroom upheavals and player transfers. The sale of Mcdonald, Beardsley, Waddle and Gascoigne were particular low points. The John Hall revolution and the signing of KK, Shearer and Tino where milestones in Newcastle’s history and the subsequent dismantling of KK’s team and the appointment of crap managers were another blow to say the least – but I never boycotted the team. I was there when KK sold Cole. I was there when Shearer came. I was there when we signed Owen. I was there when we shouted sack the board at Shepherd and Allardyce, and I’m sure that many of you could say the same. But this?
    To be honest I think Mike Ashley is a cock. I never liked the fact he wore a black and white shirt instead of a suit like any other respectable chairman. I never liked the fact he stood with the fans and pretended to be one, but I did respect him as a business man and the fact that possibly without him we could have been in serious financial trouble. Whether he has paid off the debt or not is not the issue. Look at Liverpool or Man U if you want to talk about debt. At the end of the day Newcastle United is his to play with as he chooses and unless some other multi-billionaire arrives to buy him out I’m afraid we are stuck with him. Let’s face it, he could run the club into the ground just to spite us and then where would we be?
    I’ve always hated Dennis Wise, but if he was brought in to do a specific job – and thats all, then fine, get on with it. The fact that he lives in London is immaterial. I don’t know enough about Jimenez or Ventre to comment. I thought Mort was a decent bloke and Llambias is a ghost!

    As much as I loved Keegan as both player and manager I never thought he was the right man for the job this time around, and I will always have the nagging doubt that his Soccer Circus was in the toilet and he needed the cash. KK has always been a quitter, he has a history of walking out that goes right back to his playing days. He is famous for throwing his toys out of the pram when he doesn’t get his way or when the criticism gets too great. However, the handling of his departure and the childish war of words that now rages once more put Newcastle in the public eye for all the wrong reasons.
    Unfortunately we as fans are perpetuating that view through our knee-jerk reaction to what we feel is a slight ot our Saviour and Messiah.

    So I guess my point is that I will be there on Saturday. I will support my tem. I will sing and shout as I have always done. But I think time will tell the full story – because after all I have seen it all before.

  • 245 geordiejayne // Sep 9, 2008 at 11:20 AM

    Black and White…..

    If it is true about Poyet then it shows exactly its jobs for the boys.

    Certainly NOT run as a business with the people with the BEST CV’s invited for any post at NUFC.

    The lot of them have no credible history with football, if it be management, director of football, chairman or whatever.


  • 246 hitman // Sep 9, 2008 at 11:21 AM

    toonpipes: you say we have to move on,is poyet the way forward like.when you have managers like zico and terim wanting the job.

  • 247 geordiejayne // Sep 9, 2008 at 11:22 AM

    Toonpipes, I actually think the petition has more than 57 names on it, just a fair comment

  • 248 GM // Sep 9, 2008 at 11:25 AM

    @ Borm Agin – my thoughts exactly and like you will not be buying programs food etc (not that i normally do anyhow purely liquid diet for me 🙂 ) but will not be spending the usual £30+ in shearers b4 and after the game…boy the strawberry is gona b busy !!

    @ Hitman – agree that the players are prob already disillusioned, but the only way that is gona change is to try and pick them up with our support.

  • 249 geordiejayne // Sep 9, 2008 at 11:25 AM

    Lost Prophet. I think you are telling the story of a lot of fans that are writing on here. I think alot of us have been there the same as you.

    And yes you are entitled to you opinion with wich I do not agree to some of it

  • 250 TOONPIPES // Sep 9, 2008 at 11:25 AM

    Well, i actually think Poyet has got something to offer .. although not sure hes ready to manage the toon ….. he would ustand the system that MA wants to operate and i like the energy he brings – he seems pretty lucid when he is interviewed on tv.. however, i do prefer terim .. i think he would be excellent and it would be great if we can get him in .. i know people dont like it, but Poyet would be cheaper and who knows that would perhaps release more funds ….. for …… players – we cud mebs go for Lampard or Henry – ha ha! .. What do you reckon hitman?

  • 251 Born Again Geordie // Sep 9, 2008 at 11:26 AM

    Lost prophet – Very well put and nice to see someone stating the facts and after all as you say we have seen it all before – just never had this type of media to vent our frustration in the past.

    @ geordiejayne – exactly ‘Jobs for the boys’

  • 252 Born Again Geordie // Sep 9, 2008 at 11:28 AM

    GM – wey I – The strawberry will be rammed !!!! lol 🙂

  • 253 hitman // Sep 9, 2008 at 11:32 AM

    toonpipes,its a no brainer zico or terim,poyet is nothing comperd to these 2.

  • 254 GM // Sep 9, 2008 at 11:34 AM

    @ toonpies – agree poyet as I have said is not my choice but if the current setup is staying ie MA is not selling up the one thing he has going for him is that he is friends with wise and the rest of the board – so there may not be this buying behind backs thing as they would speak to each other more friends do ?

  • 255 Toon Chicken // Sep 9, 2008 at 11:36 AM

    geordiejayne – it is exactly that brand of dumb logic that is fueling the hysteria and making a bad situation worse.

    I am not against Ashley therefore I am a fan.

    How every philosophical of you. Why don’t we all start applying that level of thinking to everything: I am not against brussel sprouts, therefore I eat them with every meal. I am not against horse racing, therefore I don my top hat and tails and quaff champagne at Ascot every weekend.

    Let me try and explain to you my standpoint again. I believe Ashley has done more good than bad since he bought our club. He has royally fcuked up on the way this Keegan mess has been handled BUT he does employ a team to look after that for him – therefore I believe it is Llambas that should bare the brunt of the fallout. Keegan walked, he wasn’t sacked, he walked like he always does. Keegan should take some of the blame for where we now find ourselves. HOWEVER I strongly believe there is life after Keegan and it doesn’t involve the death of Ashley.

    The majority of people were happy that we were no longer being held ransom to ridiculous transfer fees and wages by end of the road, mercenary footballers. The majority are happy with the players we signed. The majority were happy with the job Wise was doing with regards to top young international talent. The majority enjoyed seeing Ashley amongst the fans down a cheeky pint when he wasn’t supposed to. The majority loved him for bringing back Kev (not me by the way).

    Now Kev has gone and you act like he has been out to destroy us from day 1. But let’s get one thing straight – NUFC was there before Kevin Keegan. It will be there after Kevin Keegan. Kevin Keegan is not, has never and will never be bigger than NUFC.

  • 256 Micky Toon // Sep 9, 2008 at 11:39 AM

    Lost Prophet – Post of the day.

    Also for the people who are marching through Newcastle,I hope you’ve informed the police as they might take offence if you haven’t. They could arrest people under the criminal justice act that prevents unauthorised gatherings of people in public places. Protesting outside the ground may also cause grief as they will try to move you on for “health and safety” reasons.
    By all means march through the town (wish I could be there) but be careful.

    I also wish people would keep to the facts rather than come up with conspiracy and “man down the pub told me” info.

    Like I keep saying, where was all this ire when sir bobby was sacked? Much better person to get angry about than quitter Keegan.

  • 257 Steven // Sep 9, 2008 at 11:41 AM

    well whatever is done at least we will not fold over like those hammer supporters. Dennis Wise is the main issue, he undoubtedly led to KK’s resignation, not the lack of funding but Wise’s position.

    What a waste of a season

  • 258 TOONPIPES // Sep 9, 2008 at 11:41 AM

    @ Hitman …. Nah, its not as clear cut as that … will keep the comments as light hearted and strightfoward as possible in interest preventing this from becoming too draining …… MA has specific system and will not budge on it – Zico/Terim are vastly experienced and wont like being told to conform, not sure either of them 2 have ustanding of what take to work in the north-east, i reckon Poyet has better idea for his personal experience in the prem as player/coach … Poyet is younger and possibly hungrier more modern style of manager – you see what happened with Kev when you are already a legend, you dont need to stick around …….. Poyet is more in keeping with the MA ideal of buying good quality young + upcoming ….. so i can see the benefits of Poyet tho i probs prefer Terim on balance as i said initially …. what you think about that ?

  • 259 Micky Toon // Sep 9, 2008 at 11:42 AM

    Toon Chicken – Problem is you can do a thousand good things, but you do one bad thing and that will be your legacy.

    I guess I am also a pro-ashley bum boy now.

  • 260 Toon Chicken // Sep 9, 2008 at 11:42 AM

    Lost Prophet – great post.

    It’s very reassuring to hear the opinion of another level head.

    I am sure there are many more of us out there – they’re probably too scared of being shouted down or called an ‘ass-licker’ or something equally dumb by the lynch mob baying for blood.

  • 261 TOONPIPES // Sep 9, 2008 at 11:45 AM

    MickeyToon … welcome !! … seems the army is growing .. we may yet see some sense!! … Lost Prophet is in on it n’all .. haway the lads …. lets get behind the team ..,. onwards and upwards .. toooooon arrrrrrmyyyyyyyyyyyy

  • 262 Toon Chicken // Sep 9, 2008 at 11:47 AM

    Toonpipes – I like your thinking on the potential Poyet appointment – very positive.

    Personally I think we could do better with someone with a more proven track record. That said, every successful manger has to start somewhere and I have been very impressed with the way he conducts himself and heard nothing but good about him from Leeds fans.

  • 263 TOONPIPES // Sep 9, 2008 at 11:47 AM

    geordiejayne … more than 57!! .. crikey – look oooooot we are going to present a petition to the owner of the club .. ”’PLEASE LEAVE” ..that shud do it .. all 58 signatures putting so much pressure on MA that he capitulates and does one .. leaving us in the hands of ……. FREDDY SHEPHERD – that wud be just great ..

  • 264 Nick 69 // Sep 9, 2008 at 11:49 AM

    seems the army is growing, haha, we will see how big the ashley army is come saturday in the toon then wont we

  • 265 hitman // Sep 9, 2008 at 11:51 AM

    zico has already says he has no probs working with directors of football,as hes done it in the past,i dont know if terim has tho.the probs with poyet(i have nothing against him)he will be seen as a puppet to wise,plus i dont think ashley will be that daft,well then again.

  • 266 hitman // Sep 9, 2008 at 11:52 AM

    toonpipes theres over 5,000 signed it.

  • 267 Nick 69 // Sep 9, 2008 at 11:54 AM

    toonpipes- at least a petition shows we are willing to stick up for the club and what we believe in, instd of bowing down to the cockney brigade who are ripping the club apart. u will see come saturday tht u are very much in the monority, and ur sitting behind ur computer takin the p*ss out of ppl who protest, why dont u try takin the p*ss out of all the protesters outside st james on saturday

  • 268 Lost Prophet // Sep 9, 2008 at 11:58 AM

    Born again -Mickey Toon -Toon Chicken – Toon Pipes, thanks.
    Its depressing to see us all arguing amongst ourselves. somone even compared it to the civil war the other day and likened us to the roundheads. If my history is correct the roundheads won the war but arsed it up and the people ended up begging for the monarchy to come back. Like I said time will tell.

  • 269 TOONPIPES // Sep 9, 2008 at 12:01 PM

    Nick69 .. im all for sticking up for something if i think it is worthwhile .. hence why i am prepared to argue with you (generally) about this whole issue … i dont think MA is ripping the club apart .. i think Keegan has done that with his actions … await the abusive comments.

  • 270 sweendog // Sep 9, 2008 at 12:04 PM

    Mitch .. what do you mean ownership by the fans .. is there a website etc set up for this .. I’ve not heard anything … I do think this is a good idea and should be publicised more.

  • 271 TOONPIPES // Sep 9, 2008 at 12:07 PM

    Hitman .. noted – thanks, my sarcasim must have masked the fact that i still DO NOT AGREE with the protests or petitions … regardless of how many people sign then .. not becauase it wont do anything or help but because i dont think there is anything to stand against .. ok, i think there should be better communication from the board to the fans and a better ustanding of what is going on and the direction .. but i still think what MA is doing is generally correct and i ustand his actions .. sorry if you disagree .. just dont start with your arguments of friday night like ” toonpipes you blow” or i will really be forced to re-consider my position .. memorable outstanding arugment that was hitman ..

  • 272 TOONPIPES // Sep 9, 2008 at 12:13 PM

    Nick69 .. dreary me .. is that it! .. are threatening me from BEHIND A COMPUTER .. have i challenged you mentally ? has it made you re-think .. sorry think for the first time ? .. is that why you making threats .. see it is this that has disgusted me so much – complete lack of thought by fellow geordies .. you are a disgrace – open your mind lad and get a grip .. just cos you dont agre with something doesnt mean you hit it or threaten to make it be quiet .. wat a t osser

  • 273 Incognito // Sep 9, 2008 at 12:23 PM

    I’m just hoping that the fans’ feelings don’t soften over time and result in a poor protest at the weekend. This is exactly what Ashley will be hoping for and I can quite imagine it happening.

  • 274 Marty // Sep 9, 2008 at 12:29 PM

    CRAIG CHISHOLM,I am in no way a MA fan but some of you guys are acting like ALAN OLIVER and making up stuff.
    I simply want MA out and to sell to some1 that will spend and make us great and a joy to watch.
    Killng all his Businesses like many ANARCHISTS on here want to do is just plain stupid.
    People could get locked up for some of he things being planned.
    No better than JOEY then,thus taking this club down into the sewers.
    I hope we can get him out and start over,so lets stand side by side and voice our anger at him in a non-moronic way.Banners,flags whatever but Support our team as they have done nout wrong.
    Just my thoughts

  • 275 shearer4pm // Sep 9, 2008 at 1:31 PM

    i agree with marty 100%

    lets jus see what happens, this was always goin to happen, im not saying that its right in any form but eventully he was goin to leave,
    jus as long as it aint poyet and wise, that would be disasterous 3 yrs ago they were at swindon

  • 276 GaryToon4Life // Sep 9, 2008 at 1:42 PM get it signed and march on. we must be united in protest. 3pm march from the gate to sjp

  • 277 Nick 69 // Sep 9, 2008 at 1:57 PM

    toonpipes- when exactly did i threaten u??? oh thts rite, i didnt, i said ur happy to sit behind ur computer mockin ppl who are protesting so if ur so against us protesting etc, why dont u do something about it tellm eveyone who is protestin what u think, i dont need to open my mind, but u need to open ur eyes and read things properly b4 accusing ppl of threatening u u f*kin bell end

  • 278 ToonRich // Sep 9, 2008 at 2:15 PM

    I read this on another forum earlier, written by a Spurs fan of all people…
    “Is anyone else worried, nay scared witless, about Dennis Wise? That nasty little thug – who was an average player (at best) – and his ‘friends’ seem to be slowly taking over English football from the inside. Firstly, what qualifications does he have to be the Director of Football anywhere, let alone a club like Newcastle? Remeber, Leeds literally fell apart when Poyet left, it was nothing to do with Wise. Milan have Cesare Maldini. Bayern Munich have Franz Beckenbauer. Real Madrid have Predrag Mijatovic. Legends in world football all, and then Newcastle have a nasty little man who must be laughing all the way to the bank. In addition to that, his old Chelsea mates are all over the place. Di Matteo took over at MK Dons, Zola potentially at West Ham, Poyet is being talked about as the new NUFC manager. What’s going on? Somebody stop him immediately. For the love of football… ”

    Some very good points I thought – Does Wise have all the qualifications needed for a role within an EPL club??
    I just want him out, with MA /DL to follow 🙂

  • 279 Stamford Toon // Sep 9, 2008 at 6:02 PM

    I have to admit to not having read all of the comments on this site, but while out this afternoon and thinking about those who suggest boycotting MA’s companies here is something for you to think about. A significant drop in trade will first of all result in redundancies for some of his employees. It could well be that a number of those are Geordies. Do you expect Toon fans to leave their jobs as a prorest of his actions. How would you feel if this made you redundant and would you hand in your notice in protest. All actions have consequnces have you thought them through or can you only see the possibility of hurting MA. I am not sure you have sufficient clout to do that as most of his concerns are national rather than local.

  • 280 VanToon // Sep 9, 2008 at 6:30 PM

    Does anyone know if Ashley has any business interests here in Vancouver, Canada? If so, please reply so I can spread the word and boycott it.

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