It looks like Chris Hughton could be in charge of Newcastle for at least 3 weeks as it appears the Newcastle Board will take their time in appointing a new manager to replace Kevin Keegan.
Derek Llambias - what has he done since taking over from Chris Mort?
It says something about the state of the club when this will be the 4th manager in 16 months and the 6th manager in four years. How can you have any stability or consistency when you continually change your manager?
And this is the 4th time in the last 10 years that Newcastle have changed their manager so early in the season, after new players have been brought in under the previous manager. Other managers to be dismissed at this time of the season included Kenny Dalglish, Ruud Gullit and Bobby Robson.
So once again the club is like a ship adrift in the ocean, but this time the owner and the Board took the sails off themselves. That’s about the level of competence shown by this current board, and Derek Llambias is making an effort to show he’s never been in football management before, and it shows.
We have no idea what this guy is doing at the club – probably not much, and he certainly doesn’t say much to the fans, that’s for sure.
It’s now obvious that Chris Mort, although not experienced either in football management, had the wherewithal, business skills and communications capability to keep things together, and we don’t think this break-up with Kevin Keegan would ever have happened had Chris still been at the helm.
From what we can find out, it even seems like there’s been a huge personality clash between Kevin and Derek Llambias, with Keegan probably at the end of his tether with the incompetence of the people around him. Once he found out he was getting no more than a couple of players coming in, despite all their promises, and going along with selling James Milner, he probably just blew his top.
Caretaker manager Chris Hughton has been told that he could be in charge of first-team affairs for the next three weeks at least, with the club’s recruitment process, led by Director of Football Dennis Wise, still struggling to gain any momentum. So what’s new?
They failed to bring in enough players during the summer too, so whoever is brought in as out next manager on the treadmill, we will not have a big enough squad to put up with any level of injuries to the first team squad, at least until January.
The fact is the Newcastle Board have not done their job, and in other businesses they would be replaced for non performance.
Comments welcome.
124 responses so far ↓
1 wolfhound // Sep 12, 2008 at 9:59 AM
i hate the sight of this derek twat the sooner he disappears the better
2 hitman // Sep 12, 2008 at 9:59 AM
ashley get a back bone and sack the lot of them,there a disgrace.
3 Lew Davies // Sep 12, 2008 at 10:01 AM
LACK OF COMMUNICATION ! Thats been the overall problem since MA took over.
If this doesn’t change then things will only get worse.
I just dont get it. What the hell was MA thinking in appointing lambsass!
Hopefully the 3 weeks is for Due Diligence prior to a take over by ?????
We live in hope. ASHLEY OUT!
4 bob // Sep 12, 2008 at 10:01 AM
bored of this drivel
5 Toon1978 // Sep 12, 2008 at 10:03 AM
WHY is it going to take SO long to appoint a manager. There has to be a reason behind it.
6 Steven // Sep 12, 2008 at 10:08 AM
Derek should go back to his casino and Ashley should buy into the casino industry.
I think that taking our time is a good idea cuz IF and only IF they are looking at getting in someone like Guus Hiddink, Dick Advocaat, Frank Rykaardt or maybe even Gerard Houllier or Ronald Koeman but not a piece of sh!t like Poyet or the laughable David O’Leary!!!
7 gloryhunter // Sep 12, 2008 at 10:08 AM
I don’t think he’s even started looking. He can’t be bothered at the mo. His tank is still on our lawn though….
8 Who is Derek Llambias? // Sep 12, 2008 at 10:08 AM
I well and truly despise my namesake
see you next tuesday!!!!
9 GM // Sep 12, 2008 at 10:10 AM
West Ham loose manager on 3rd sept and appoint a new one 11th sept, we take 3 weeks wtf?
10 Jimi // Sep 12, 2008 at 10:12 AM
No decent manager in their right mind would take the job.
Overhaul the board and get Keegan back to finish what he started.
11 Lew Davies // Sep 12, 2008 at 10:13 AM
Their sponsor has also gone bankrupt lol
Uncanny the similarities.
12 ToonKing // Sep 12, 2008 at 10:13 AM
it’s a joke really, the whole situation…..another season down the drain….if we continue like this we will eventually slip down to the Championship and there is no return from there for a club run like us…
13 hitman // Sep 12, 2008 at 10:13 AM
lew do you reckon thats why its taking 3 weeks to find a new manager coz theres a take over going on,plus bit strange saying it will take 3 weeks like.
14 MarK // Sep 12, 2008 at 10:13 AM
maybe they are just taking their time with finding a new manager…just like with all our signings, way too much time -_-
have to say though, lack of communication? are some people missing listening to fat fred announcing who we wanted to sign and stuff
15 lesh // Sep 12, 2008 at 10:14 AM
Yup.
Kevin said the squad was to thin so what does the supposed Board do? Nowt apart from cut Kevin out of the picture and plough their own furrows.
Sorry fellas, in other walks of life that would be described as gross deriliction of duties and therefore, sacakble.
Mr A is owner of the ship, he allowed it to happen and it must be said that the whole shower should go and quick – before the ship’s renamed Titanic!!
16 WesToon // Sep 12, 2008 at 10:14 AM
F F S Lads\Lasses
Things are pathetic at the moment UNLESS Fat Ashley is looking to sell up & is waiting for that…PLS Dear God..let that be true
Ho’way The Toon
17 Lew Davies // Sep 12, 2008 at 10:14 AM
Jimi – MA wont overhaul what he has put in place. He thinks it is working just fine thankyou very much. Arrogant Tw@t!
18 Angryman the Angry Fan // Sep 12, 2008 at 10:14 AM
Hopefully the f***a is in negotiations to sell!!
I have noticed on this blog the soft arsed so called fans coming around and jumping on the give him a chance bandwagon!!
Well you enjoy the bumpy Bandwagon ride with CASHLEY!! I seen this hassle coming a long long time ago….I warned that this would happen, but i got shouted down ” give him a chance” “The club is being run properly”……
Me, I think the club is being run like one big CASH COW!!!
Not interested in performance, as long as there is a profit at the end of the day, its all smiles and joy by the greedy fat bastrads in charge. That is the way it will remain!!
The board have shown their hand, we are now a SELLING CLUB, we will sell to make a profit hands down!! Did Fat Fred do that??
Fair enough he took his share out of the club, but he made sure that the team on the pitch didnt pay for it!!!
I stated once before, pay my hard earned to watch a football match, I dont invest it in the club, so the Fat Greedy Bastrads in charge can cream into there grubby little pockets!
I will stick to my guns and would urge anybody who has this club at heart to do the same……DO NOT BUY ANYTHING from the shit houses for as long as they are in charge!!
CASHLEY OUT!!
19 LyNx~18 // Sep 12, 2008 at 10:16 AM
Our team don’t have in depth squad, still the board wanna to hire some rookie manager like Poyet & Ince. WTF!!!! Go get some proven high profile manager to lift us out of thw swamp!
20 Lew Davies // Sep 12, 2008 at 10:16 AM
Hitman – we live in hope!
21 MarK // Sep 12, 2008 at 10:17 AM
also ..if we get taken over ..why does everyone want keegan back …when he walks out again… everyone is going to go batshit insane… again.
22 geordiejayne // Sep 12, 2008 at 10:17 AM
Unbelieveable, well it was until last week, a very poot management structure, now try and defend that one ASHLEy.
Surely if you were a Good businessman you would have all thist structure in place before Mort left. Some people may think Ashley is a good businessman, well he is a very very poor FOOTBALL MAN.
ASHLEY OUT
23 ToonEskimo // Sep 12, 2008 at 10:17 AM
Surely in this day and age it can’t be too difficult to find out where people reside, I suggest we pop round for an informal chat with Derek and Dennis just to see what there plans for the future are…..
24 Hadrian // Sep 12, 2008 at 10:18 AM
Do we even have a chairman and PR dept ?
why on earth havent they even came out and adressed the situation ?
if poyet or another of wiseys mates get the job ill be sickened
25 Lew Davies // Sep 12, 2008 at 10:18 AM
Angryman – so are you going to match on sat or not?
26 Angryman the Angry Fan // Sep 12, 2008 at 10:20 AM
PS. I keep noticing the PRO CASHLEY MORONS on here mentioning the MODRIC bid !!
It didnt happen man….16m bid for Luka Modric yet KK only had 12m to spend, confirmed by the club!!
FFS Wake up and smell the Coffee, it was so he could sell his slow moving season tickets!!
As was the WOW signing…some may point out that he may never have said this, but the fat F***a didnt come out and deny he had said it did he?? He took you all for MUGS!!
27 J Mistral // Sep 12, 2008 at 10:22 AM
I said it b4: Asheley and his gang are incompetent. Few months ago when I said shepperd was better I was salughtered. at least he was a fan. He did not sack sir Bobby. this was done by the Hall family. My view is fan should not attend the game. players want out too belive me and in january they will be transfer requests. for sure Owen is leaving. total boycott=Ashley out.
28 MattyDread // Sep 12, 2008 at 10:23 AM
I think a word like incompetent really needs to be spelled properly…
29 ToonEskimo // Sep 12, 2008 at 10:23 AM
hmmmmnnn, just thinking how many bloggers on here are at work? I’m childminding (in a fashion),
but judging by the same names that crop up, I’m guessing we either have a few nightshift workers, office based folks or just folks that errr aren’t at work……let’s have a poll….
30 Angryman the Angry Fan // Sep 12, 2008 at 10:23 AM
LEW DAVIES
Definiteley WILL be there, he already has his grubby little hands on 2k plus of my money!!
He aint getting another bean mate!!!
I will be there to voice my disapproval at the scumbag, and I will be encouraging my 10 year old son to do the same!!
My season ticket is 15 year old now, but I will say, I have never been taken in by him since he came, i read Dave Whelans comments early doors, and this man will use every dirty trick in the book to make a profit!!
Whelan wasnt far wrong really was he??
31 hitman // Sep 12, 2008 at 10:24 AM
never took me for a mug angryman,never backed the fatfu*ka from the start,he did say he would shock the world come the end of transfer window.
32 Ian // Sep 12, 2008 at 10:25 AM
Notice no GM or Irish al comments against the board, not surprised.
33 Lew Davies // Sep 12, 2008 at 10:28 AM
The modric thing was very clever I agree, we all fell for that one, without knowing that there was never any intention of MA and co of following through on the deal.
I bet the fat c**t was laughing his fat fat off on that one.
And then just to rub it in he let the “wow” thing out, and yet again we fell for it.
This is why he cannot stay any longer.
We wont fall for his lies anymore.
ASHLEY OUT!
34 Angryman the Angry Fan // Sep 12, 2008 at 10:29 AM
MARK
My feelings on the KK scenario is, if he comes back (under a new regime), so be it, I do believe the man has this club firmly in his heart, but there is the risk that he may walk again at some point….that is a risk we have to live with.
If we appoint another Manager (Should we be taken over) then, he has to be a heart and sole Manager….he has to put everything into Managing this club. He has to eat sleep live n breath NUFC. None of these Johnny Foreigners who see this league as a Pay day, someone proven who will sign a one year rolling contract with a wage based on performance, who essentially only wants to Manage our team to make it successful!!
35 Rasko a.k.a Hadji // Sep 12, 2008 at 10:32 AM
I hope we get Terim so he can bring this kid who on this video is only 10 years of age.You wont believe what this kid can do for his age
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiUA_JriWMs&feature=related
36 GM // Sep 12, 2008 at 10:32 AM
Notice to Ian – grow up.
If MA was to sell up now i would be delighted as would most, dont see it happening, but how me asking a question about how many people who hold season tickets are actually going to attend the game is making me pro ashley is f’g beyond me.
Why arent you jumping on Lew as well as he has asked the same question to ANGRY MAN
37 vic // Sep 12, 2008 at 10:32 AM
MA, DL, DW – the most unprofessional and unethical Board we ever had.
There only one option when MA can safe his reputation is to dismiss his pals and officialy send apology to KK.
I do not believe that KK come back. At least MA will disappear from NUFC HISTORY with some sort of dignity.
BOARD OUT
38 Angryman the Angry Fan // Sep 12, 2008 at 10:33 AM
HITMAN
I know he didnt take you for a mug, my comments are aimed at the PRO CASHLEY BRIGADE!! You know, the ones who keep coming on saying his system is good, give it a chance…….
SPYRO/ Jonas the legend / Clinta / James etc etc…..
I aint willing to give it a chance boys, it is plane as the fact that SPYRO is a Cock a nee, that the f***as in charge havent a CLUE!!!
They have made a pigs arse of everything…FACT!!!!
39 CLINT FLICK // Sep 12, 2008 at 10:35 AM
Zola goes to wetspam…
…No pro license, no real management experience…How come the rags etc think this is a good appointment?..Oh, is it ‘cos they’s from landan(don’t rock their boat!)…Typical!..Not a sqeak!..Hmmmm!..
…Good job he didn’t come to NUFC…They would slate us for that!..
…Unbelieveable!.
…Why don’t they take llambias too?..
40 mitch // Sep 12, 2008 at 10:35 AM
Tooneskimo I am a shift worker any 4 from 7 its shit but can get things done outside normal hours. The level of incompetence is embarressing I will never buy anouther peice of merchandise or drink as long as he is there the horrible git he is a crook in disguise the more you read about him in the buisness world how can he call joey barton when he seems to rip people off distroy people ( eg trying to sack the board at blacks) this man has no moral standing IMO
41 Terry Mac's Crossword // Sep 12, 2008 at 10:36 AM
Mark Viduka STILL 6 weeks away. unbelievable.
Playing a dozen games a season is simply not enough even if he is effective when he plays. we need someone who can play regularly. flog him.
42 Angryman the Angry Fan // Sep 12, 2008 at 10:38 AM
GM
Dont involve me in your debate…ha ha ha
I tell it how I see it, it is my opinion, I do what I think is right!
I am going to the match at the weekend coz I have pre-paid, and i would not spite my 10 year old son for any fat greedy fekka!!
Besides it gives me a good chance to shout, CASHLEY OUT, and take your little monkey with you!!
43 hitman // Sep 12, 2008 at 10:39 AM
angryman,there was loads of ashley bum boys on here yesterday,makes me sick…
44 MarK // Sep 12, 2008 at 10:39 AM
Angry
I just dont trust keegan to remain the entire length of his contract..I dunno why …I just dont (if he came back).
Then new manager has to be good obviously ..the only thing I slightly disgree with is the eat breathe nufc thing..newcastle doesnt have to be his favourite club ..he just has to be really hungry for success.
45 sweendog // Sep 12, 2008 at 10:39 AM
This is a good sign..
The sooner a manager is hired the harder the club will be to sell .. the reason being the new owner may want to install his ideas and manager etc …
Keep the pressure on MA .
ASHLEY OUT.. JIMENEZ OUT .. GOLLUM OUT
46 Ganiyu // Sep 12, 2008 at 10:41 AM
He plays football manager alot that y he SOLD MILNER
47 boater // Sep 12, 2008 at 10:41 AM
Ed… ??? The owner and the board ‘took the sail off themselves’? Shouldn’t that be ‘the old flakey captain abandoned ship for the umpteenth time’.
Why hurry with an appointment? Take the time necessary to get the right man.
Jeeez give it a REST.
48 cyprus mag // Sep 12, 2008 at 10:42 AM
Anyone noticed the remarkable likeness of LLambias and Cyril Fletcher? It couldn’t be that we are part of a BBC plot to create a sketch show featuring our MD as a beyond the grave version of the late, great Cyril? I know it sounds unlikely but no more so than the situation our club is in.
49 Rasko a.k.a Hadji // Sep 12, 2008 at 10:44 AM
I have been against MA since the begining and i have never ever changed my opinion about him.
When i saw how he was dealing with the Dyer’s transfer to West Ham which was at the begining of his regime,then i realized instantly that he’s very very tight person and since that day i havent changed my opinion about him.
He almost convinced me the oposite with the Colo’s transfer but then he got that money back from Milner’s transfer.
His style of ownership would suit perfectly to teams like Bolton,Fulham,Charlton,Southtampton etc but not the ”Sleeping giant” from the North East.
FROM THE BEGINING TILL THE END……………….ASHLEY,,,GET YOUR UGLY PUMPED FACE OUT OF BEATIFULL NEWCASTLE.
50 Born Again Geordie // Sep 12, 2008 at 10:45 AM
@jimi – post 10.
I think we will be able to atract a top manager – but not under the current ownership !! That is a fact.
How many people on here think that KK coming back would be a good thing?
Spot on too – Angryman – sing your hearts out for the lads !!!!
Ho’way the Lads
51 Kash // Sep 12, 2008 at 10:47 AM
Like I keep saying, giving the now Caretaker notice that he will be in charge for 3 weeks, rings the alarms that the club is to be SOLD!
No new buyer of the club will want to sack a bunch of staff and pay them huge amounts of compensation.
If Ashley was in it for the long haul, he would have appoitned a manger by the Hull game to improve the mood of the fans. The focus would have been taken away from the board anf ocused on the new manager and the playing staff. (As it rightly should)
However, the longer there is no new manager in place, the more suspicious I become of the due dilligence process being undertaken (which if i’m correct takes upto 3 weeks) before the eventual sale of the club!
I may be wrong, but the signs are there, and there is too much silence at the minute which suggests something is in the pipeline!
52 GM // Sep 12, 2008 at 10:47 AM
Exactly Angryman – I am torn completely I have held my season ticket for years, got it standing in the milburn paddock and held it ever since 18-19 years. I have paid up and also signed up for the 3 year option, I want to support the team as that is the be all and end all as far as I am concerned I am looking for like minded peoples opinion on what they plan on doing.
But according to people on here that makes me pro ashley, which is not the case.
53 Sav // Sep 12, 2008 at 10:48 AM
You’re right. Viduka should ave been replaced by a fitter player. We need a setled system of play and you can’t get that with the Duke and his history of injuries.
On the Modric con, it seems they have repeated that for Keegan’s benefit it order to keep him quiet while they cashed in Milner by promising Bastien Schweinsteiger. And when KK asks what progress they made on the last day its ‘Oh, he wouldn’t come’. …WHAT!!?
No wonder Keegan was apoplectic. Surely these great insider wheeler dealer wideboys in nufc employ should have had that stitched up BEFORE selling Milner. At least to establish the player was remotely interested in transferring. Keegan new then he’d not only been sold a pup himself, but worse still, he’d been conned into fronting up to convince the fans that the sale of Milner would prove a good deal in his ‘trust me and judge it when the window closes’.
He is left looking like he was the patsy and I think that tipped the balance for Keegan.
54 hitman // Sep 12, 2008 at 10:48 AM
lets hope so kash
55 Lew Davies // Sep 12, 2008 at 10:49 AM
No he sold milner for the 12 million beans which have gone into his pockets. Probably blow it at lambsass casino saturday!
56 sweendog // Sep 12, 2008 at 10:53 AM
Kash .. I’ve heard that time frame as well .. 3 weeks .. if this is right its good and bad ..
Good – Ashley is leaving and I’ll be packing his packing his bags for him
Bad – it means Ambani is careful with the money
Mind you the bad is still far far better than a tight wad running the club into the ground.
57 spudzzz // Sep 12, 2008 at 10:53 AM
this is a very interesting read and i think we should all reflect on it. Take a step back and look at the big picture.
A Balanced View
By Jeff Livingstone – 12/09/2008 10:04
Received an email from Jeff with the following article, some may not agree with him but it’s a very good and well thought out piece…
* Businessman purchases a premier league club already heavily in debt, unable to invest meaningfully due to plc restrictions and still paying transfer fees for departed players. Structure of club involves cronies, hangers on, pals of agents, dividend carpetbaggers and various na’er do wells and lacks clear leadership or any sort of scouting network. New owner clears debts and sets about improving club by implementing a 6 month strategic review of every aspect of the business.
* New owner sets new managerial structure in place with a view to building a scouting network across Europe as well as head hunting new academy director. New recruitment team identify a number of under-18 players from across the continent and bring many in for trials, mainly for benefit of coach, with several being offered contracts.
* Having persevered with previous coach for a more than reasonable period, owner makes decision to remove him and appoints a popular coach to get team playing again. Due to lack of ‘hands on’ contact with football for 3 years, new coach is supported in the scouting and recruitment of players by recruitment team which includes a former senior scout from Real Madrid.
* A common practice across Europe, having someone else in charge of recruitment and contracts means you’re not left with a raft of sh*te and two years of rebuilding every time a coach/manager turns out to be total pants. The story of the last 10 years at club.
* Club refuses to target has been ’stars’ on inflated contracts (that they would require as club is just not the draw it was a few years back) and instead targets quality players (i.e. current Argentine internationals) with best years ahead of them. Some may fail, but fees involved mean risk is fairly low and club finances remain stable in increasingly challenging market conditions.
* Perpetual recruitment and development programme over 3 years will begin to bear fruit as youngsters develop and other players come in. Players are young, hungry (in a football sense) and want to make a name for themselves, very much the way Arsenal operates.
* Club closes doors to press, who in the main have had an easy job for 10 years due to steady grapevine and constant implosion, which appears to trigger a particularly nasty smear campaign against club and owner.
* Club refuses to be bullied on contract by 3 assists a season, can’t get ball past first man, midfielder and accepts vastly inflated transfer offer for player. Cue press backlash over sale of ‘favourite’ (whose exactly?) Coach asks to be judged on transfers on 1st September.
* Coach reverts to type and throws toys from pram seeking public support as a martyr to the club ‘he loves’ once pressure/own shortcomings/lack of knowledge of modern game surface. Issues carefully worded statement to press, specifically designed to inflame situation and make him look the victim….again. Timed resignation and issue of statement to coincide with other directors waiting to meet him for talks, in order to guarantee maximum exposure, sympathy and cause maximum damage to club ‘he loves’.
There was a time I idolised Kevin Keegan. Although that had long since drifted due to some of his displays/comments by the time January 2008 came around, I was just happy to see full backs attacking for 90 minutes regardless of league position. It had been a while.
I’ve never agreed with anyone who says that NUFC supporters are deluded, but after hearing talk of boycotts and protests, and watched the way the press have stirred up fury in what seems a majority (apologies to what seems a few) over the last week, I’m sorry to say they are right. The negative impact caused by some fans will ensure that players at Fulham would think twice about coming here never mind top internationals, something many fans would do well to remember.
There is a global credit crunch biting, season tickets will be followed by sky subscriptions and the gravy train will stop. Clubs should look at the sort of debts racked up in Spain (Valencia – approx €739m). This cash frenzy can’t go on forever and Mike Ashley for one is well placed to see this.
If Ashley walks away (and after this last week who could blame him) stopping the good work that’s been started, that would be a disaster. Apart from having a need to sharpen up the PR (and I would rather this was worked on after the football), I can’t see that he’s done anything wrong other than build some very strong foundations for this club.
KK’s statement was worded as carefully as possible to cause maximum damage. The timing of it was also particularly calculated (reportedly just prior to a meeting he was expected to attend) which I find quite disturbing. Using your popularity to enhance your victim status is pretty low; it’s called playing to the gallery. He receives applause round here while the rest of the country offers him no sympathy. Why do you think that might be?
If the recruitment team reckon they have unearthed a gem, find he is available, and have less then 12 hours to complete a deal; do they then ignore this deal totally because the current coach (whose full time job is looking after his own players, not looking at other peoples) hasn’t seen him play?
I can’t believe the inward looking, retrospective, anti-’outsider’ rhetoric that has been bandied around by websites and individuals that I previously respected over the last 7 days. I’m actually hugely embarrassed by it all. I really thought we’d moved on. Maybe we should get Hadrian’s Wall up and running again, this time right round the city.
Many of the current self appointed fans ‘representatives’ and those who claim only to ‘articulate’ supporters views (and by default that includes .com and true faith) have become a parody of themselves and ended up no better than the dreadful tabloids and Sky, who for once have been able to step back and watch the rabble rousing being done for them. Damage the clubs takings? What about the club’s image? In all the other dreadful events we’ve seen over the last 15 years, where the hell was your action then? Is it change that is feared or just ‘outsiders’? Did Shepherd not deserve this abuse because he was a Geordie?
Some supporters thinking of demonstrating should think very long and hard about the future before making any judgement on Mike Ashley versus Kevin Keegan, or use personal opinion of Dennis Wise as an opposing player as a benchmark for judgement. Think very carefully before choosing whose side you are on.
KK said he wanted to see the fans get the club they deserve, based on what seems the current majority view, how prophetic that is.
58 Leo // Sep 12, 2008 at 10:53 AM
im going to put my current optimistic spin on the lack of signings (by no means am i happy)
seen as we have a small squad full with quality players, when the new manager comes in he will be able to find his new players easy when at training and then be able to get the players inthat we need
well hopefully wise bucks his ideas up
59 dave76 // Sep 12, 2008 at 10:54 AM
Interesting article out on rivals.net, thought it’s worth a gander for everyone….
http://www.rivals.net/news/pgarticle.aspx?artid=13498_4134282&id=55
I’m as displeased with the whole situation as every newcastle fan but this writer as some good points, maybe we can’t see the wood for the trees…. just a thought.
60 Sav // Sep 12, 2008 at 10:54 AM
boater, what manager worth his salt will come here under these circumstances.
Only the desperate and the complete mercenary, that’s who.
Wise didn’t take long to exhaust his list of friends. Perhaps you are one of them?
Talk of Hiddink, Advocaat and Riykard are laughable.
61 Ian // Sep 12, 2008 at 10:57 AM
GM I am not jumping on people who decide to go, that is there choice.
Lew is clearly a fan and he doesnt like what Ashley’s done.
Sorry if I offended you if you are a fan, just some people’s posts who say nothing bad at all about the board frankly are weird especially below stories that are against the board and we do get other fans and smart wotsits trying to divide the fans.
Stardust and a few others for example.
62 sweendog // Sep 12, 2008 at 11:06 AM
spudzzz .. this has some good points.
But does is say anything about how the Director of football is not the Director of football and that this position is making it untenable for KK or any other manager to manage us.
Also that the owner has made 2 mill from tranfers and not put in key players who are required for the squad ..
LB (needed)
DM(needed)
AM(needed)
This is were ashley has to address .. never mind getting someone (Jimenez) etc to actually talk to us …. this is a self propagating problem that could have been looked and should have been looked at before the transfer window .. its all to do with expectations and investment.
ASHLEY, WISE and JIMENEZ are currently ruining this club and nothing has changed.
63 Stardust // Sep 12, 2008 at 11:07 AM
SPUDZZZZ – BRAVO BRAVO BRAVO
ED – you continue to assist the press in their destabilisation of the club with sensationalist claptrap.
FACT this board have only had ONE management change of their own choice – Allardyce wasa previous regimes appointment – so why lambast this board for the mistakes of the past.
A thouroughly DISGUSTING SLANT by what should be an impartial blog editor.
64 sweendog // Sep 12, 2008 at 11:09 AM
Stardust .. what about the points I highlighted???
65 YellowBelly // Sep 12, 2008 at 11:10 AM
Two reasons for a three week delay.
1) They are going to sell within 3 weeks.
2) Their are another set of World Cup qualifiers coming up in October, any decent international manager would not leave so close leaving their country without time to find a replacement. Bilic etc.
66 sweendog // Sep 12, 2008 at 11:12 AM
YellowBelly .. true .. but hopefully 1 though ..
67 sweendog // Sep 12, 2008 at 11:14 AM
Stardust — Ed is impartial (appear) is used in the headline .. as it is a business accumin that the longer you don’t install a manager the worse it is for your business .. hence the incompetant verb.
68 Sav // Sep 12, 2008 at 11:14 AM
Dave76, the first three or four points no-one will argue with. We all thought Ashley had to be better than Shepherd, were happy to see a youth strategy and professional scouting network in place. Theres nothing even groundbreaking about that. Other clubs have had that for years.
It could also have mentioned improved fan relations pioneered under Chris Mort.
Where that article looks like it has been planted by an Ashley accolyte is in completely ignoring the lie told to fans and Keegan that the manager dictated whom would be bought and sold.
One simple question for you – Where is the left-back we need? I do not buy the story about Beckham, Henry and whoever being on Mad King Kev’s wishlist. – Remember that was yet another unattributed tale from the club’s Dirty Tricks Department.
And another question – Given the club’s vaunted new forward-thinking policy, why sell a 22 year-old who had been among our most reliable, versatile and consistent performers.
Oh, yeah, and a third question – how come, with an already skeletal squad we do not increase the personnel numbers at all over the summer and in fact raise almost 2 million in profit (apart from the 42 million TV money plus advance ticket sales etc.)
Would a good manager not be railing against that sort of running a club he is supposed to be in charge of? I think he would.
Ask the author of the article to deal with those points, we’ve had it up to here with ‘club spin’.
69 sweendog // Sep 12, 2008 at 11:16 AM
Stardust .. ask yer mate Toon Chicken about business accumin .. he runs his own business and got a 1st you know..
70 Ian // Sep 12, 2008 at 11:17 AM
spudzz good article and actually I agree with it down to and including * Perpetual recruitment, the mistakes were all made beyond that point and I think this is where the disagreement was, premiership statistics PROVE that the manager is key to success, that structure when silent and falling in behind the manager will work, possibly not with those titles or that individuals with that standing in the board, they are usually referred to as ‘recruitment teams’, not given a higher level than the manager in the structure of the business, that is where they messed up.
If the lower grade coaches of Europe would work in the premiership then that is what the clubs would all do as it would be cheaper than hiring big name managers, but it doesnt work, and who in their right mind would hire or attempt to hire Allerdyce, Rednap or Keegan knowing that the power would be given to the board above the manager???
Come on anyone who knows these people in football could see that it wouldnt work and also that under that structure it is a wasted appointment.
If an owner was foolhardy enough to try that, I would want someone like Robson or Keegan (at Newcastle) as director of football and Roeder as coach as that would give us the best chance of it working at all.
Then to top the lot the man with one of the worst reputations in football for arguing, and did he also not have some Barton type instances as a player? Was he not prosecuted for something? As the director who has had no premiership management exxperience or success to speak of!!
It is just like placing petrol matches and paper in a room then acting surprised when there is an explosion.
71 GM // Sep 12, 2008 at 11:17 AM
Ian – well I am a TRUE fan dont worry about that and I am not happy about the situation AT ALL, not just the idiots on teh board, but the finances available, the squad size, the amount DW sems to be getting paid for doing nothing but cause bother. Just coz I dont go potty mouth against the board on each and every post doesnt mean I agree with owner or that i am Wierd.
Dont worry I will scream ASHLEY IS A CNUT for you tomorrow, if he is there if that helps
72 Ian // Sep 12, 2008 at 11:20 AM
Sweendog you make a good point about transfers, plus even a decent team has to spend how much per season in transfers just top tread water??
£25m???? I think not to improve, above sales?
By their nature transfer values reduce so a club has to buy to replace players.
73 irish_al // Sep 12, 2008 at 11:20 AM
Ian
I was busy reading everyones posts
74 Ian // Sep 12, 2008 at 11:21 AM
GM it does mate!!
75 Sav // Sep 12, 2008 at 11:23 AM
The truth of why thousands of fans are angry about the situation should be obvious.
But don’t take our word for it – look at the squad Chris Houghton has to choose a team from on Saturday. – 18 fit first teamers? That is the strongest argument to discredit Livingstone’s article.
By the way, I presume Jeff Livingstone is a regular, pre-Ashley writer for that blog?
76 Toon Chicken // Sep 12, 2008 at 11:27 AM
round of applause spudzzz – unfortunately I fear for the most part your comments will either fall on deaf ears or be met by a torrent of abuse.
77 Sav // Sep 12, 2008 at 11:27 AM
Ian, Wise was accused of breaking Callum Davidsons jaw over a poker game – but Dennis waited until Davidson was asleep before attacking him. He also got 3 months for attacking a taxi driver later overturned on appeal. A very close parallel to Joey B.
78 cause I got the girth // Sep 12, 2008 at 11:30 AM
Ed, this piece is a complete joke full and of contractions, blinded by your own bigotry towards the men in charge at the club. For a start, the title claims the board (even though we don’t have one!) is incompetent, whining unconstructively like a women during her special time about the “4th manager in 16 months and the 6th manager in four years” and that “Chris Hughton has been told that he could be in charge of first-team affairs for the next three weeks”. Well since you start of, rightly talking about the lack of stability the club has had over the past decade, wouldn’t it be common sense to take time pursue the ‘right’ man for the job so we are not in the same position this time next season, i.e. employing the wrong man based upon the wrong reasons!
Then you state, “we have no idea what this guy is doing at the club – probably not much”!! What a joke, if you have no idea, why pass comment, you sound as informed and with as much clue as one of those charvers that were outside the ground last week. How about, just for once please, point out that Ashley has actually brought the stability you started to talk about, both financially and structurally, but has been found guilty of one thing, and one thing only, that was bringing back Kevin Keegan.
79 Ian // Sep 12, 2008 at 11:32 AM
Sav thanks I thought something had happened, I suppose that makes a complete joke of Ashley being unhappy about Barton as well then??
Plus countless people have said about Wise’s arguing including Ferguson.
None of his ‘mates’ seem eager to work with him either.
Really very basic management mistakes ones you wouldnt expect a £30k per year general manager in normal businesses to make let alone a £200m business.
80 Ian // Sep 12, 2008 at 11:34 AM
Here we go again, get at Ed.
81 bowburnmag // Sep 12, 2008 at 11:41 AM
Am I missing something here? Isn’t the editor a supporter? Is there some complex law or rule of blog that I’m unaware that means he needs to be totally impartial in what are pretty emotive times, whatever your opinion?
82 Stardust // Sep 12, 2008 at 11:45 AM
Ian in this case is is totally right that people are annoyed at ED if it needs explaining to you why – youre not being objective
83 CLINT FLICK // Sep 12, 2008 at 11:45 AM
No one is immune to critisism on here ian. If you put up an opinion, then someone’s probably gonna take an opposite stance.
& Ed does say daft crap sometimes. He’s allowed, it’s his site.
Way of the world.
No offence Ed
84 GM // Sep 12, 2008 at 11:49 AM
Steve Clarke quit at chelsea, no doubt he will be linked to us as well
85 bowburnmag // Sep 12, 2008 at 11:50 AM
spudzzz – all good points. Points made by the lads agreeing with you. Ask Jeff for a specific exmaple when Keegan has played the “victim”, perhaps other than arguably 1992? One thing I will say is that is Ashley probably suffering as much for Sheperd’s incompetence as his own. We thought it was the end of one poorly managed regime and the start of a better one. But this one has proved equally as incompetent even if it’s for different reasons. It is the straw that has broken the camel’s back if you will, in terms of the contempt most are willing to put up with. Most fans would choose not to get personal but unfortunately we’ve gone from one board of disasters to another and it’s the one in charge facing the consequences.
86 tyneside tommo // Sep 12, 2008 at 11:54 AM
I you buy a second hand car from a garage and it keeps breaking down you can demand a full refund under consumer laws. Anyone know if there’s any chance of me being reinbursed for my season tickets since the product – NUFC – has changed dramatically?
just a thought.
PS: I think that Clint fella makes a lot of sense. But that’s my opinion
87 CLINT FLICK // Sep 12, 2008 at 12:00 PM
tommo
88 Micky Toon // Sep 12, 2008 at 12:16 PM
Spudzzz you’re well rounded comments won’t be welcome on here. Unless you want to smash ashleys head in, eat his kids and kill his wife you are a pro Ashley southern bum boy and not qualified to comment, apparently.
For all of the wrong reasons and a few good reasons Ashley must sell and leave. No matter how good a plan you have,once you have lost your followers there is no route back apart from redemption – which, if comments are to go by would mean having KK back (wrong), or by moving on. For the good of all sane NUFC fans Ashley must sell and we have to get a new owner with a top class manager in.
However, I still reckon that after this weekend it WILL all blow over and there will only be about 100 out of a possible 52,0000 fans still protesting. Toon fans ARE fickle, we know it and so does everyone else.
89 Micky Toon // Sep 12, 2008 at 12:17 PM
GM – Steve Clarke is favourite to join Zola at the ‘ammers. Personally I wouldn’t mind getting Steve Clarke back. He’s a top class coach.
90 Mag1Pie // Sep 12, 2008 at 12:18 PM
We are goign to Sign Ince!!!…WHooopie!!! Finally the real Saviour!!!
91 bowburnmag // Sep 12, 2008 at 12:20 PM
Micky Toon – did you say you’d been listening to INXS the other day?
92 Lew Davies // Sep 12, 2008 at 12:21 PM
With respect to all on here, I think Ed (Harrisson) just likes to get a debate started. He has never claimed to be the fount of all knowledge, or that his opinions are always right, they are just his opinions is all.
Also, I for one am grateful that he started up this blog, it has been good to read all the many and varried opinions of so many genuine fans.
In these days of no comment from NUFC itself, at least Ed is trying to keep us all informed of what is being written and commented on in all the gutter press.
Finally as a fan of Newcastle United, I dont want Ed to be unbiassed in his opinions, why should he? I’m not, are you?
If you dont like HIS blog thats fine, its not costing you anything,just go to a different site, there are plenty others.
I just wish he had some good news to write about for a change.
93 Mag1Pie // Sep 12, 2008 at 12:25 PM
What would the reaction of the fans be if we actually signed Paul Ince guys?….
94 Whumpie // Sep 12, 2008 at 12:25 PM
Good to see that Llambias is finally getting the blame he deserves rather than just Wise and Ashley. He’s possibly the whole cause, and you do have to wonder if Ashley was actually ok as long as he had the steadying hand of Mort there to keep things going forward.
Crying bloody shame.+
95 bowburnmag // Sep 12, 2008 at 12:43 PM
Whumpie – I totally agree. I’m very much anti-board and if not pro-Keegan then certainly pro-prevention-of-Keegan-slander. But as much as I distrust and dislike Wise, my feeling is that Llambias is the root cause. Probably appears illogical as I may have more cause to question Wise’s credientials considering his chequered past while Llambias is a virtual unknown. But my gut feeling is that Llambias is one of those business people with more gob than gumption. They exist everywhere. Talking a good game and getting into powerful positions without delivering. Completely unsubstantiated of course but definitely what I believe.
96 Micky Toon // Sep 12, 2008 at 12:59 PM
INXS? Not me. I only know one of their songs from way back. The one that went “Suicide Blonde”
97 Pit Yak // Sep 12, 2008 at 1:00 PM
One big problem with it all spudzzz. Knowing the history of King Kev at the toon for running everything at the toon. The real reason he left the Shepherd regime, he no longer had 100% control of all things Newcastle United as he di under SJH. Also the fact that he would walk “if it’s not like it was in the brochure”. Added to the this the status of KK as the mesiah to the Geordie people and the fact there would be uproar if he left, especially under these circumstances. Then why in the hell did MA bring him in back in the first place. This guy, a so called business, either hasnt done his homework or he is a fool. He sacked Alladyce at the start of the season and didnt do his homework then, thus had to go with his cap in his hand to get KK to help him out, knowing full well it would get him out of the proverbial. OK he’s invested in Youth! But he’s screwed the club totally by his incompetence as a chariman and he knows nowt about football. The whole think stinks man! So dont go blaming Kev, blame the MA. If for nothing else than he has made a complte idiot of himself.
98 Micky Toon // Sep 12, 2008 at 1:01 PM
Whumpie – If Paul Ince did become our manager then my loyalty to the club – note THE CLUB, not Keegan, Ashley, Wise, etc.. would be seriously in doubt. Currently I WILL support THE CLUB for ever more, but Wise or Ince as coach/manger would be the final straw for me and would prove what I and others already suspect that MA couldn’t give a stuff about his customers.
99 Micky Toon // Sep 12, 2008 at 1:02 PM
Sorry for the multiple posts, but I just can’t believe that the current situation is causing me and many others who have been supporting NUFC for more than my 30 years in, to doubt their allegiance to NUFC. It’s a bloody disgrace, even Shepherd didn’t push people this far over the edge.
100 bowburnmag // Sep 12, 2008 at 1:06 PM
Micky Toon – ah right sorry mate. Thought it was you. Caught the song on an advert this morning and wondered if the fella in question had listened to them again cos of that. Ashley might well hum that particular tune under his breath if he turns up tomorrow.
101 scott9 // Sep 12, 2008 at 1:07 PM
this guy is obviously the one that is making all the signings thats why there all for spain
102 archie // Sep 12, 2008 at 1:09 PM
An Unbalanced View.
Businessman buys prem club with £100m debt, including normal debts on players, and mortgage on a modern, 53000 capacity stadium. Stadium has planning permission for expansion to 60k, cost of which is estimated at £15m. Cost of average new 50-60k capacity stadium – e.g. Everton/Liverpool/Arsenal approz £350m. After 6 month strategic review, sacks manager & most of staff, replaces hangers on, cronies, etc with hangers on cronies etc.
Owner appears to think top 4 finish whilst balancing the books on transfers and keeping a tight wage cap is achievable. Arsenal did it. It may have taken them 10 years but 2 seasons is fine for us. (And people say the fans have unrealistic expectations?)
New manager (not a head coach) appointed, who has been out of football for 3 years. To help him, a property developer, the former manager of a league 1 team, and a scout who worked for Real Madrid for 4 months (not chief scout, just a scout), and at West Ham (part time).
Club refuses to target has been stars on massive contracts – good. Targets hungry players on low wages who should succeed – like Milner, Taylor, Guthrie etc. Interestingly, Coloccini had been identified by several Premier clubs (including Newcastle) but rejected over concerns about suitability for Premier League (also same age & price as one J.A. Boumsong esq.). Targets players from clubs in Spain, er, sorry, Europe, who will increase in value and can be flogged on to the highest bidder.
Club will follow Arsenal model, who as we know refused to buy established players such as Overmars, Bergkamp, Petit, and refused fat new contracts to players such as Viera, Adams, Seaman, Wright and got them off the wage bill asap. (Net transfer outlay of £25m over 10 years is a bit skewed when you make a £50m combined profit on Overmars & Anelka alone.)
Club closes doors to local and national press, which gives every journo going the chance to make it up as they go along.
Club refuses to honour promise of discussions over new contract with player, who has issues with getting past first man but actually looks like he’s trying and is only just 22 and has enough potential to persuasde O’Neill (a notoriously terrible judge of a player) to fork out £10m for him. Player is replaced with randomly bought striker that Spanish press think was also overvalued. Panic loan of midfielder that Valencia are keen to shift off the payroll is organised to cover up the fact that the scouting/transfer team on the board (they are all listed as directors, thus on the board) forgot to sign a left back, a right back, and 2 midfielders as minimum requirements.
Keegan throws toys out of pram. Presumably from comments since, so would Robson, Curbishley, Shearer, Wenger, Ferguson etc etc.
Club issues statement typed by a work experience teenager that says ‘We’re great, Keegan’s a loser. Fact. Will you buy some more season tickets please?’.
Strong football foundations are the fans and the team. Not damaging the clubs image would be avoiding doing things like necking a pint in a Newcastle shirt in front of the tv cameras. Playing to the gallery perhaps? Or just reinforcing a stereotype?
Treating fans with contempt, not just because they lost a well liked manager, but because of a refusal to adequately strengthen a paperthin squad, no communication over constant rumours of quick sales of the club, comments by the owner about wearing towels on heads and living in caves which offended (rightly or wrongly is irrelevant) a huge tv audience in the Middle East, contradictory statements about responsibility for transfers, and a 10% hike in prices in the middle of a credit crunch, means fans are at the point where Keegan going was the final straw. Shepherd may have been a disaster, especially from the moment he appointed Souness, but he at least understood that if the team does well, the club does well, and consequently the shareholders do well. We as fans don’t mind the owners making money as long as we see progress. But when was the last time we saw genuine progress?
103 maggpie // Sep 12, 2008 at 1:12 PM
If the new manager is in any way associated with the despicable Wise we should protest and hound him out of town. That includes Poyet, Ince and Deschamp. Apart from anything the first two have no real Premiership managerial experience and in Poyet’s case no managerial experience of any description.
104 Kash // Sep 12, 2008 at 1:17 PM
Allegedly from somebody in the know in Newcastle……………
Keegan didn’t want Milner to go but Wise talked him around saying he could get his four targets – Olivier Kapo, Stephen Warnock, Sebastian Sweinsteiger and Sami Hyppia – with the money he got from the sale. He reluctantly agreed.
They also tried to farm Barton off to Pompey, but he didn’t want to go.
Barton phoned Keegan and asked what was happening. Keegan told him he was going nowhere and went to see Wise, who at the same time was trying to flog Owen to four clubs, who were interested, but none of them matched the money the club wanted.
On the Monday (transfer deadline day) Keegan asked Wise what was happening with his players. Wise said he couldn’t get the players Keegan wanted but had these two foreigners.
Keegan said Wise was lying because he had talked to the agents and the four all wanted to come to Newcastle.
Keegan hadn’t heard of the loan guy but said maybe the Cisco kid might be a good long term signing but added he didn’t want any strikers, only midfielders and defenders. Wise said he had already signed the two foreigners and he would just have to get on with it.
Keegan had a stand up row with Wise and Liambias who threatened to sack him.
Keegan lamped him – seriously – and walked out. Then he buggered off to Manchester – a conspiracy of talks then continued but they didn’t have any talks with Keegan. The club were just covering their backs.
All this talk Keegan had a list with Lampard, Henry and the likes is pure propaganda and sh*t-stiring by club insiders.
I think that covered it, oh, and the new owners of Man City actually wanted to buy Newcastle but Ashley doesn’t want to sell up – sadly
105 AndyT // Sep 12, 2008 at 1:19 PM
Ed,
I totally disagree with the title of this article.
The use of the word “Appear” is totally unwarranted.
I don’t particularly have anything against Ashley.
I don’t particularly have anything against the type of structure and purchasing policy that they are trying to establish.
Chris Mort made a strategic review of the business, proposed a way to go forward, its being acted on.
I don’t hold Keegan as totally blameless, if any manager at all out there thinks that they have the final say on transfers in and out, then they are totally deluded. The board controls the purse strings and the contract details. Always have, always will and no manager anywhere does more than make recommendations and requests to the board.
The thing is regardless of the structure, the board and the manager need to be working together within the same strategy and have to be bought in to it together. The board need to know and trust the managers assessment of priorities for changes to the squad and the manager needs to know and understand the framework and long term goals of the club. It is always a balancing act. If a manager is only ever judged on the current seasons performance, why should he be interested in players that are not already proven. The boards primary responsibility is the medium and long term health of the business, for them the financial health of the club in 5 years time is as important today as the current seasons finishing position (yes I know they are interlinked, but not as much as some people make out).
The absolute key to finding that balance and establishing that trust is, in my opinion, frank, honest and frequent communication, even when the message isn’t something you particularly want to admit to, or something you know the recipient doesn’t want to here. This is where I think it is obvious that the current board has failed, and failed miserably. I think the contrast between Llambias and Mort is astounding on this front and I honestly wonder how Llambias has been able to get to the position he has. I doubt that the poisoned dwarf has helped much as his communication methods are as well publicised as Barton’s. I must also say that this is also hardly an area where Keegan excels either. While he is always open and honest, he is has a clear track record of over reaction and an inability to look at things dispassionately.
I think the worst thing about all of this is that it was totally unnecessary and has been a thousand times more damaging to the club than the lack of cover for the full backs or the depth of the current squad.
While I fully support anyone who wants to express themselves through boycotting matches or merchandise, and certainly a change of ownership and top level personnel may be beneficial to the club, it is ultimately damaging to the club as a whole. Looking from outside of the fans perspective, any prolonged protest will put off potential owners, staff, players and sponsors.
I hope and pray that between now and January the club makes 2 very good appointments. A manager, who knows exactly what is going on and a MD/CEO who can work with him and the fans.
106 Micky Toon // Sep 12, 2008 at 1:20 PM
Kash – That’s very old news. More than likely it’s all bollox too. You always get these conspiracy e-mails knocking about when something major happens. There were loads when Princess Di was killed, 911, the Tsunami disaster etc..
Of course I’m not comparing the current p!ssing contest at NUFC with those disasters but you know what I mean.
107 Kash // Sep 12, 2008 at 1:26 PM
Micky Toon – Well not everyone is as priveleged as you are in receiving such news. I’m just passing on what was sent to me. You might not appreciate the read but others might!
Thansk for your comment though, you shouldn’t have wasted your time!
108 ObaFan2 // Sep 12, 2008 at 1:27 PM
Communication will improves tomorrow, the fans will let this owner know exactly what we think.
109 Ian // Sep 12, 2008 at 1:30 PM
re – ed to me it is just to try and manilulate what he is saying, the same way some of you are trying to draw attention away from the crap way Ashley took advice and planted these idiots on the board of Newcastle, they arent capable of running the club, which will become evident to even the thickest amongst us when the stands are empty with boredom not boycotts and we are nearing or in the bottom three.
At which point the outsiders posting will have gone and the ones that were taken in by them will wonder what happened to their beloved club, well it will be back where it was for many years in the past which we know only to well because we supported them since before Mac played for us.
110 bowburnmag // Sep 12, 2008 at 1:57 PM
archie – I’m going to print that out and frame it mate. For the record I don’t dole out praise unnecessarily but that’s the best read i’ve seen in a long while, in any forum or format. I don’t live on Hysteria Lane but I’m very much opposed to the current regime and disappointed and embarrassed by what they managed to do to Keegan and to the club and fans. You’ll be told by some that what you wrote is unsubstantiated nonsense by some but I believe and agree with pretty much everything you said. I’ve not yet had an answer from someone about a specific example of Keegan’s ‘dummy spitting’ resulting in the end of his tenure other than 1992’s veiled threat. The fallacy continues.
111 bowburnmag // Sep 12, 2008 at 1:59 PM
Acknowledging poor grammar in my last post…
112 Mag1Pie // Sep 12, 2008 at 2:12 PM
…Not…Ince…more of a cronie of the dwarf!!!
113 tom tomb // Sep 12, 2008 at 2:13 PM
There are obviously only two schools of thought on KK. 1) He does a runner every time the pressure is on. 2) He has been shafted by his past employers.
The 1st time he left the toon as a player, he was outstripped for pace by Lawrenson and realised he could not compete at the top level anymore. So a little while later finished playing. Conclusion- brave he did not linger on and take the pi– like many players do.
The 2nd time as manager was the season after we lost the league. He could not lift the players back up- was his admission. It was hard to lift the fans as it was devastating. So god knows how the players felt. Conclusion-brave again he did not think he was able to complete the job. So moved aside to bring fresh ideas and new life to the place.( Sadly we got Kenny). Man City I don’t know or care what happened. Fulham he left to manage his country.
England- he left as he in his words did not have what it takes to be England manager. Conclusion -Brave as anyone else would take the money .Get sacked yes please and get the compo. Yet people criticise him for being honest!
Last of all he was shafted, make no mistake by this shower of sh–. Ashley has with Mort in control done some great things. As soon as Mort left, the classic old business trick was done. Instead of NUFC having a face like Mort, they get this faceless assassin to come in and do the unpopular.
This is a club that is gearing itself to be sold -make no mistake.
They are not in the slightest bit interested in the discontent of the fans. Ashley tries to walk over everyone.
Come on then lads-hurl abuse at me!
114 Phil,Gosforth // Sep 12, 2008 at 2:19 PM
Archie
Nice one
115 Ian // Sep 12, 2008 at 2:21 PM
AndyT I disagree with you, a short sharp boycott with fans protesting silently outside would in my opinion have low damage to the club and encourage a sale as the fans are still there, or encourage Ashley to think again about his board, either way it doesnt matter to me.
Having a brainless useless bunch of directors run the club in to the ground within one or two seasons and see the best players leave and the bored and fed up fans drift away over the following months would cause damage that would be hard to repair, once the fans leave through boredom the value of the club has virtually gone and will be very difficult to sell unless the owner is willing to take a massive loss on it.
from past experience it takes something big to get fans back, if Keegan refused ever to manage again or became to old to take over then it would be difficult for anyone to buy it and make anything of it, Shearer could come back but if he was no good as a manager it would be just a flash of interest, unless of course we had the dream scenario of Manchester City, but how often does that happen?
116 bowburnmag // Sep 12, 2008 at 2:24 PM
tom tomb – you rest my case. Of course, some will come out and call him a bottler for not having a go. On the contrary his actions are brave in admitting his own limitations. I can’t see why the mud seems to stick so well for some people. Question his abilities and temperament but not his motives or integrity.
117 tom tomb // Sep 12, 2008 at 2:34 PM
Bowburnmag- well said. I thought it was just outsiders to the club, that called him a bottler. Obviously not reading some posts on here. We are all entitled to our own opinions. But I feel it’s always black or white, to borrow a phrase. Some people do not remember, or are not old enough to know the history.
He has always had the fans in his heart, that is a fact not a crime.
118 Ian // Sep 12, 2008 at 2:50 PM
tom tomb we also must not forget when he is given full support just how good a manager he was, to climb from outside the premiership right up to number 1 position for a while is an achievement that I cannot remember any other manager doing.
He was told if he got us to top position he would have some more funds to keep us there and it didnt happen.
This is a top quality manager, to go against his advice and decide your own ideas are better from who?? A casino manager and a person who has achieved what?
119 bowburnmag // Sep 12, 2008 at 3:08 PM
Ian – to put it crudely, the board originally got their little kitchen together with a plethora of chefs and said “Right Mr Keegan, you’re head chef round here. We’ll get you the right ingredients and you can deliver a mouth-watering serving to the fans”. They then provided him with two slices of bread, a bag of turd and a dollop of sauce and said “See what you can do with that sh*t sandwich eh Kevin”. “What? Nee a la carte menu? You’re just not trying hard enough to fit in round here!!”. Ashley claimed he wanted to have fun with us. With his tight pockets, I presume he meant we’d all go plodging and picking winkles down Cullercoats. Sorry, the whole farce is forcing me into a farcical nature.
120 FARTY // Sep 12, 2008 at 3:20 PM
NO NEED TO APPOINT A NEW MANAGER JUST YET.TOO MANY BAD MANAGERS BEFORE,EVEN KK WAS A POOR CHOICE.
121 Ian // Sep 12, 2008 at 3:22 PM
bowburnmag // Sep 12, 2008 at 15:08
that is how I see it too.
The trouble is the longer Ashley either has the club, or runs it the way he is then the more damage will be done, I have seen the club sink before and they dont come up so easily again, the management has to be good to keep us in the premiership never mind move up or stay mid table.
Now I know why Owen didnt sign, he would know a bit about Wise and would weigh this lot up pretty quickly, I am sorry for the blame i placed on Owen, now I know why he hasnt signed.
The fans that think boycotting will damage the club should think about what two years with Wise and co at the helm will do to the club.
Vetere is the man choosing the players once his list is depleted then they are knackered as he wont have the same scouting crew he is used to.
122 tom tomb // Sep 12, 2008 at 3:30 PM
Ian- you are right mate I did’nt touch on that part of it. Bowburnmag- Gordon fu–ing Ramsay could not make a bigger meal of it, than Lamearse and his chimps.
There is 3 weeks for a new manager, why would anyone say that? Seems a bit odd if its true, West Ham did’nt let the grass go, do you think it could be Poyet. Are they waiting until the fever dies down after the home game? Guess again, this patient will have a fever until we get rid of the tinkering Dr’s Lamearse , Wise and consultant Ashley.
123 Micky Toon // Sep 12, 2008 at 3:46 PM
Kash – It’s not that I’ve seen it five times before, personally, it’s been posted on here at least four times. I wouldn’t have said anything otherwise, just about everyone on here had seen it already.
124 Glenn_United // Sep 13, 2008 at 9:20 AM
HOWAY THE LADS!!!!! SMACK HULL BOYZ!!!!1111111111111111111111
BUT THE BOARD CAN GET OUT OF TOON NOW!!!
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BOYCOTT GAME AND PRODUCTS OF NUFC AND SPORTS DIRECT!!!!
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