Ferguson and Wenger Fully Behind Keegan and Curbishley

The two best managers ever in the Premier League, Alex Ferguson and Arsene Wenger, are standing firmly behind the recently resigned English managers Kevin Keegan of Newcastle and Alan Curbishley of West Ham.

Alex Ferguson – supports both Keegan and Curbishley

Both managers resigned recently when they realized they were not in charge of which players would be coming into the clubs.

At a League Managers’ Association dinner, Ferguson told Sky Sports News:

“I admire Kevin Keegan and I admire Alan Curbishley because they went on a matter of principle and the principle being – I am not in control of my team any longer.”“Players were being sold over their heads without even acknowledging them. That is not acceptable.”

“It is not why you set out to be a manager .. on the whims of a chairman.” “Also, when they change the goalposts – all of a sudden they say “well, I’m sorry, we need to sell these players”.

“Yes, there are financial constraints we are all aware of that but when you change halfway through from the start of the season…and the manager is subjected to these problems, it’s no longer the same job.”

“And so therefore they walk because it’s a matter of principle and I totally agree with it.”

Ferguson may be the best manager ever at any football club, given his phenomenal record of achievement, so what he says bears some considerable weight, unlike Mike Ashley, who has never been in football management, and it shows.

Arsenal manager Wenger concurred, and added:

“You don’t even know any more – are you responsible for success or for failure and that is terrible.”

Since Ashley wanted to copy the Arsenal model of bringing in youngsters, you would have thought he would also have copied their management structure, in which Wenger has complete say in who comes and who goes.

But sorry, there I go being logical again.

Comments welcome.

44 comments so far

  • beyethegreat

    Sep 19, 2008 at 10:57 AM

    Comment #1

    good to see managers like these backing kk and curbs

  • Beatski

    Sep 19, 2008 at 10:58 AM

    Comment #2

    “But sorry, there I go being logical again.”

    quality, and sadly true

  • Ganiyu

    Sep 19, 2008 at 10:58 AM

    Comment #3

    Yeah selling and buying of players is done wit the consent of a manager not a wise man and fat billionaire

  • Ganiyu

    Sep 19, 2008 at 11:02 AM

    Comment #4

    Kk was not well respected thats y d board did watever they imagined

  • RobB

    Sep 19, 2008 at 11:04 AM

    Comment #5

    I think it was Wenger last night who pointed out that the mnager is the most important man in the club, since he’s the one who is sacked if things go badly. It’s still a mystery to me why anyone should be convinced that something that works on the continent will automatically work in England. Or that because a structure is new or ‘modern’ or ‘continental’ it must be better than the British system. I have seen many management fashions come and go over the year. Wenger and Ferguson exemplify good British management styles, even though Wenger is French.

    As one who consistently gave Ashley the benefit of the doubt, I now seriously worry about his mental health – and its effect on NUFC. I thought last weekend that his sudden trip was rather strange. Even I know things don’t work like that. At the time I concluded it must have been pre-arranged – now I just think he’s mad or permanently drunk.

  • ToonEskimo

    Sep 19, 2008 at 11:17 AM

    Comment #6

    It was good to see Wenger and Fergie being interviewed together on SSN, for all their so called rivallry they looked very at ease in eachother’s company, the two best ever Managers’ in the Premiership imo.

  • Toon Chicken

    Sep 19, 2008 at 11:19 AM

    Comment #7

    Agree eski – but it’s a bit of a given really – they’ve both been there since pretty much the beggining

  • Toon Graeme

    Sep 19, 2008 at 11:20 AM

    Comment #8

    I saw this on SSN last night and its good to know that top managers back KK and AC decisions.

    Its a continuing saga and think the team are now under alot of pressue to perfom tomorrow for 3 points.

    They will know and from who we have available, we will and should have a good gan at the hammers.

    As for the manager situation, if MA is as inteligent a business man that he hasnt proved to be with NUFC, then he needs to get someone in the driving seat who can steady us to 3 point wins and 1 point draws.


    Sep 19, 2008 at 11:24 AM

    Comment #9

    Two longest serving & therefore respected managers/coaches.
    It’s so nice that they’ve heard of little NUFC & west ham, & i thnnk them for their concern.
    Any manager/coach that stays with a club as long as they have managed to automatically garners respect, so well done to them, how sweet.
    But they’re not exactly under the same kind of pressure as everyone else, are they?


  • Toon Chicken

    Sep 19, 2008 at 11:26 AM

    Comment #10

    continuity = stability

    stability = continuity

    walking = shambles

  • Toon Graeme

    Sep 19, 2008 at 11:27 AM

    Comment #11

    TC – Spot on pet!

  • Toon Chicken

    Sep 19, 2008 at 11:28 AM

    Comment #12

    it’s pretty simple stuff really

    you’d have to be a baby to not understand that logic*

    insert toys / pram / dummy gag here

  • 51times

    Sep 19, 2008 at 11:28 AM

    Comment #13

    CLINT FLICK – During Fergie’s first years at Man Utd the fans had banners reading “Ferguson Out”, so he has had that sort of pressure before.

  • broon ale

    Sep 19, 2008 at 11:32 AM

    Comment #14

    i notice there is no pro ashley campaigners on this particular topic..

    two of the best managers in the game backing KK for his decision to walk away from Ashley.

    so the customers of newcastle have spoken out, alan shearer has spoken out, bobby robson has spoken out and now wenger and fergie have spoken out,,and yet people still think Ashley is in the right!!!!

    you silly little weeklins for backing ashley

  • 51times

    Sep 19, 2008 at 11:34 AM

    Comment #15

    That’s true, Ashley’s list of allies is laughably short.


    Sep 19, 2008 at 11:34 AM

    Comment #16

    51 times, yea i know man, but that’s all forgotten now, isn’t it?
    Well until the media writes his obituary, huh?

    I’m just wondering what the hell it has to do with them, cos the next guy in their respective jobs will have different demarkation, won’t it?

  • 51times

    Sep 19, 2008 at 11:39 AM

    Comment #17

    They have every right to express their support of Keegan and Curbishley.


    Sep 19, 2008 at 11:42 AM

    Comment #18

    Course they do.
    Just wondering what use it is.

    They’re safe, for now.

  • 51times

    Sep 19, 2008 at 11:51 AM

    Comment #19

    True, I don’t think Ashley gives a damn. Why would he, he has no reason to listen to anybody.


    Sep 19, 2008 at 11:54 AM

    Comment #20

    Sad but true.

    I just want us to get on with getting a new coach now, otherwise it’s the doldrums for us.

    Get ya fingers out.

  • Geordie Jayne

    Sep 19, 2008 at 11:55 AM

    Comment #21

    Do you respect the opinion of two men who have and are still managing the top teams in the Premiership or those who have never managed but know it all.

    For ME I respect those who have been there done it and wore the t-shirt. Wenger and Ferguson.

    With Ferguson, Man Utd have been taken over, and they did not have to change the management structure.

    A lesson to us all I think

  • Ba Ba Black Sheep

    Sep 19, 2008 at 11:56 AM

    Comment #22

    Baaaaa Baaaa Assshhhhlllleeeyyyy OOOOtttt

    He drinnnkkkkkkssss beeeerrrrrrr – Assshhhhllleeeyyyyy Ooootttt

    Weeeee willllll deeessssttttrrroooyyyyy thhhheeeee cluuubbbb unnnlleeeessss heeee gooeeesssssss


    Sep 19, 2008 at 11:56 AM

    Comment #23

    Let’s say KK ain’t coming back.
    So who would you go for 51times.

    Do ya think Van Gaal & Terim are out of the question?


    Sep 19, 2008 at 11:59 AM

    Comment #24

    It defs would have been different for ferguson if he hadn’t been there years & won stuff already, when they were bought out.

  • 51times

    Sep 19, 2008 at 12:02 PM

    Comment #25

    Van Gaal would be brilliant but I doubt it. Terim, I think would come but I don’t know much about his management style and how his teams play.


    Sep 19, 2008 at 12:05 PM

    Comment #26

    I think Terim is a tough get like, & he seems to know how to get a team to play to their strengths, just look how he got Turkey playing in the euros, he did an excellent job.

    I ‘d love Van Gaal though & he’s tough too.

    Neither take any crap & try to play proper football.

  • 51times

    Sep 19, 2008 at 12:09 PM

    Comment #27

    I forgot about the Euros…yeah, I was impressed with Turkey. They played very well with injuries to key players.


    Sep 19, 2008 at 12:12 PM

    Comment #28

    Aye, he knows how to go to plan B, which is always useful, specially seeing as we always have players injured.
    So, he could be good.
    We need someone soon, cos it’s def not Hughtons job is it?
    Doubt he wants it & he didn’t sign up for it either.

  • Ian

    Sep 19, 2008 at 12:13 PM

    Comment #29

    Well said from both of them.

    Common sense.

  • 51times

    Sep 19, 2008 at 12:19 PM

    Comment #30

    His team selection against Hull was mind boggling.


    Sep 19, 2008 at 12:24 PM

    Comment #31

    Aye mate,
    Get defenders defending is what i say.
    Whts all this crap of getting midfielders in defense.
    Fat shams plan there.


    Sep 19, 2008 at 12:25 PM

    Comment #32

    Can’t believe KK stuck with that idiotic plan.

  • Marty

    Sep 19, 2008 at 12:34 PM

    Comment #33


  • Michael12

    Sep 19, 2008 at 1:29 PM

    Comment #34

    It would be best for Sir Alex to concentrate on his charges rather than putting forward his opinion to further provoke you.

    Are you simply blind? You seem to have eyes but not know what they are for. The man is provoking the Newcastle masses. Three weeks after the event and he decides to say something now. Only because he saw a calm settling he decided to foam the waters.

    We are rivals, the more trouble we are in the better for them.

    1. Players want to leave so you are able to get them cheaper both in wages and in asking price.

    2. With so much discontent among the fans, this spreads to the players and thus we become an easy three points.

    3. Provoke the fans into putting more pressure on Ashley so that he is not able to proceed with his ultimate plan for a sustainably competitive Newcastle united under the new rules to be implemented by fifa where a clubs have caps on foreign players.

    Wenger has severe budget caps at Arsenal and sees the danger we pose in the future because we are copying and perhaps even enhancing the efficacy of the Arsenal model. He has plenty reason to provoke the Newcastle fans.

    Let me ask you something anyone of you may answer.

    If a sustainably competitive Newcastle united could be achieved by Ashley’s plan, would you sacrifice the 2008-09-10-11-12 seasons so as to achieve this goal, so that after 2012 and beyond we are always in the hunt for the title, in the champions league, and winning a trophy every other season? Would you accept such a sacrifice?

  • bowburnmag

    Sep 19, 2008 at 1:39 PM

    Comment #35

    Michael12 – I see your angle but let’s be honest

    a) we stopped being Man U’s rivals a long time ago.

    b) 50k+ nearly every week are more than willing to put up with mediocrity together with overlapping generations continuing to support the club despite being subjected to 50 odd years without domestic success, suggests we’re willing to put up with well-laid plans, providing that’s what they are and we trust those laying them? The plans aren’t the problem, it’s those holding them.

  • Jon Goodwyn

    Sep 19, 2008 at 2:11 PM

    Comment #36

    The newly formed Newcastle United Supporters Club has released a statement in the Chronicle today, it can also be found here. http://www.newcastle-united-supporters-club.co.uk

    Please sign up to the website to register your interest as being part of the Supporters Club.


  • Michael12

    Sep 19, 2008 at 3:20 PM

    Comment #37

    We may not be Man united’s rivals now but come 2012 we may be; consider, the best way to stop a problem is at the roots. The problem is what Newcastle united may become for Ferguson and Wenger.

    Ferguson and Wenger see the obvious threat early and are attempting to impeded it at worst or at best, stop it all together.

    We must not allow ourselves to be further provoked by these shrewd men.

    You must realise that all they say is easier said than done. In similar circumstance how do we know Wenger and Ferguson would walk.

    Wenger is restricted in transfer acquisitions and wage allocations. During the Summer one of the stars of last season Flamini left because of wage disputes, Adebayor too was on the precipice of departing. No doubt Wenger wanted Flamini to stay but the board would not comply and as such, he left.

    Wenger is swift to mouth such doggerel when he is under similar circumstance. The only differences between Wenger and Keegan is that, Wenger is professional enough to stay and Keegan is not. Also other differences include Tactical adroitness, and general intellectual aspects associated with football.

    Wenger can only buy cheap and young same conditions that were stipulated for Keegan.

  • Michael12

    Sep 19, 2008 at 3:32 PM

    Comment #38

    The more I think about this brings to light a tacit admission by Keegan himself.

    He left stating under such circumstance he cannot mange right???

    Well, what he is saying is that there is only one circumstance under which he can manage and that is the buying success fashion of management.

    Consider, he admits to not being capable of realising the potential of a player; managing young players; managing under restrictive budgets and can only do so when the budget is indefinite; and that he is a ‘buying success’ manager even though he spectacularly threw a 12 point lead on Manchester United when it was harder to lose the title than it was to win it.

    I think your deification of this man has you making haste and wrong decisions.

    He is an honest man so I hear, no?

    Why has he remained reticent since leaving?
    He has already broken two agreements of his contract:
    a) not to disclose the transfer policy( not because it is nefarious, but because it is revealing our approach to gain a competitive advantage)

    b) Leaving before the termination of his contract.

    Why has he remained such reticence?
    Arranging a book deal no doubt.

  • Michael12

    Sep 19, 2008 at 3:41 PM

    Comment #39

    This is remarkable how statements so easily change.

    Here is a snippet from the statement made by the NUSC

    “The committee of NUSC wish the players well for the match against West Ham on Saturday as results on the pitch are what we all want as supporters of the team.”

    Remember when big Sam was here???

    Well I seem to remember it being “entertaining football” the fans wanted to see, now it is simply results.

    You spoke so hypocritically about the changing of statements from the board. Why point out the spec of wood in their eye when you have a plank in your own?

  • bowburnmag

    Sep 19, 2008 at 4:12 PM

    Comment #40

    Michael 12 – I think you’re taking that a bit too literally. Are they not referring to results “on” rather than “off” the pitch? Isn’t that what they’re getting at? You seem the most cynical poster yet towards KK. For all his faults, I doubt very much at this point anyone has credence to question his honesty. How do we know he didn’t want to buy young players? Reading between the lies (ahem…. lines), he just wanted a choice of who he bought. I don’t think the arguments have changed have they? It’s just who you believe the most surely?


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