We have received quite a few e-mails from our readers who say they do not want Kevin Keegan back as manager and that we should move on.
Keegan - do Newcastle fans want him back as manager?
Some of the reasoning we have heard from our readers is that for the second time he has walked out on the club, and the club has suffered badly. And indeed if Kevin comes back it will only be a matter of time before he walks out again, and in the past Kevin has walked at surprising times.
Some other readers want him back because he’s good for the club, good for football and best represents the team Newcastle fans want to see out there representing Newcastle. And of course he’s been successful in the past getting Newcastle high up in the league in the 1990s.
So we don’t know what the truth is.
We are running a poll asking whether you want Keegan back as manager, once the new owners come in.
Please vote (you have one single vote), in the poll to the right, so we can better measure what fans really think.
Thanks.
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373 responses so far ↓
1 dave // Sep 30, 2008 at 10:57 PM
Keegan knows the players, knows the club and would be able to put things in order very quickly.
A new manager could totally change the club for better or worse. Besides that out of the top managers, who would want the job and who would be able to attract the right type of players.
Regardless of who we get in, they will have a mamoth task ahead of them. I do have my reservations about Keegan, rightly so, however I don’t believe that there is anyone better qualified to pick the players up and bring the stability that we need. He’s good at building moralle and teams and that is what we need more than anything at the moment.
2 TOONPIPES // Sep 30, 2008 at 10:59 PM
Been saying this since Dec . . Lost all my love for the man . . Gutted.
3 Ashton // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:00 PM
” Do Newcastle fans want him back as manager? ”
NOOOOO
4 Tom_Toon // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:00 PM
NO
Never go back, especially when people like Terim WANT the job.
My picks would be one of: Terim, Advocaat, Luzembergo.
5 TOONPIPES // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:02 PM
Terim is the only one who has shown any interest who is of highest level – not sure we cud realistically expect to do better than him
6 Stardust // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:05 PM
No No No No No No No No No
7 IrishMan // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:07 PM
Give him a chance with new owners. Most were crying out for him two weeks ago. Short memories…….
8 Rasko a.k.a Hadji // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:07 PM
No way…..he’s a quiter.Bulent Uygun or Terim is the answer.
9 Tom_Toon // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:08 PM
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10 Gregory // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:09 PM
no thanks
Because of him, yes, because of him we are in a relegation battle right now. He may ‘ve tought he had reasons to leave, but if you look at the mess now.. he shood’ve just kept going or let the board fire him. Now the only thing that mattered was his ego.. So no thanks!
11 TOONPIPES // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:09 PM
Dave, he istn very good at building morale when he goes chuffing missing at the first sign of graft
12 TOONPIPES // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:10 PM
Irishman – not that many were mate . .
13 Ganiyu // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:11 PM
Hadji-check out comment 110
14 TOONPIPES // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:12 PM
Gregory welcome to the darkside mate . .
15 Richard // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:13 PM
KK is a legend and he always will be, I feel his biggest mistake (besides leaving last time) was coming back, he should never have come back, all it has done is tarnished the memories of the good old days.
I believe that now is the best time to invest our faith in a bright young manager who can give us stability for may years to come and end this revolving door management system we have.
I think that maybe Joe Kinnear could prove himself to be a brilliant number two with his premiership experience and his experiences of handling unruly players.
In all honesty, if KK came back then he should come in the capacity of director of football or similar.
I do feel that we should try and tempt Chris Mort to join the new consortium in a capactity of chairman, he understands the club, he is an honest guy and he did a sterling job when he came in with MA, in all honesty, when MA sent him back to London was when the wheels started to fall off.
16 Jonthetourist // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:13 PM
Why did KK walk? Cos he was treated with contempt by a bunch of P***ks. Only thing to do.
His insistence that needed full back cover looks pretty spot on too.
What you see is what you get with KK. Won’t compromise, not the best tactician in the world. But – inspires players, has a good eye for a purchase, and has built a successful premiership team before for us.
I think we would be lucky to have him back frankly, and all the names being pulled out of the hat just remind me of when Gullit was appointed. Good story – no substance.
Jon
PS Whoever it is, let’s hope it’s soon
17 Ibanez // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:13 PM
Yeah I would want keegan back he started to bring a bit pride back to the club we started playing decent football again. At the end of the day he only leaves when he has a reason to leave and when he does leave he is not taking compensation e.g Big Fat Sam . If ashley had of backed Keegan instead of wise & co we wouldn’t be in the predicament we are in now.
18 Rodney Trotter // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:14 PM
YES YES YES Keegan is Newcastle.He is the ONLY person for the job.I am sick of this quitter tag utter bullsh*t.
19 Tom_Toon // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:15 PM
Keegan = Yorkshire Quitter.
20 TOONPIPES // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:15 PM
Not many of us have made that comment but I am proud of the fact that since the day he walked I have been on here making this point – taken a reeeet battering but no doubt in my mind
21 Ferdinand // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:15 PM
I’m not from Nerwcastle, but have been a strong supporter of the Toon for a while. My sense of the Toon army is that they want style and flair and a touch of romantic adventure – and if I’m right, Keegan’s the man. Yes, he walked out before, but this time he was right to. Seems a no-brainer to me.
22 Ferdinand // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:15 PM
I’m not from Newcastle, but have been a strong supporter of the Toon for a while. My sense of the Toon army is that they want style and flair and a touch of romantic adventure – and if I’m right, Keegan’s the man. Yes, he walked out before, but this time he was right to. Seems a no-brainer to me.
23 Rodney Trotter // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:16 PM
Tom Toon=Mackem
24 Tom_Toon // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:16 PM
I recon most of the ‘Yes’ votes are sheep who cant form an opinion by themselves.
25 TOONPIPES // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:17 PM
Ed think you’ve started a gud un here . . Sadly tom tom I think you right . .
26 Charlie // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:17 PM
No way no how. They guy is no longer mentally equipped to deal with the whole management game. Motivator and tactician yes but the man in charge never again
27 Tom_Toon // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:20 PM
Exactly as I thoughts, the majority of comments are ‘no’ comments because:
1. the ‘yes’ voters cant back themslves up.
2. they are sheep.
28 TOONPIPES // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:20 PM
Jonthetourist – think you need to get things in perspective . . Worst case scenario Keegan was being paid 4 mill per year to COACH the toon – in reality he had further reaching responsibilitys . . That is not ‘contempt’ that is a dream job that you get on with
29 Slam Dunc // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:21 PM
baaa baaa
yes
30 Tom_Toon // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:21 PM
Also, what kind of idiot votes, ‘dont know’, i mean seriously, grow a spine!
31 Rasko a.k.a Hadji // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:21 PM
Which comment Ganiyu??
32 TOONPIPES // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:22 PM
Would also point out that sir bobby would NEVER have quit like that he would have lopped his arm off for the chance to do what keegan had
33 Ganiyu // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:23 PM
Yes come.i love his style of play.beautiful style of play beta than manu arsenal or chelsea.bring him in
34 Toon Chicken // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:23 PM
NOOOOOOOooooooooooooooo……………..!!!!!!!!!!
35 Slam Dunc // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:23 PM
baa baaa
I thought we were protesting and boycotting to re-instate Keegan last week.
baa baaa, it’s confusing being a sheep
lol
36 IrishMan // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:23 PM
Toonpipes, Go back and check the blog the days after he went. What about the display on the first game of the season against ManU? Oh ye of short memories. KK as manager. Kinnear as assistant, and Terry Mac on boot polish duty?…
37 LBToon // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:23 PM
As manager, Keegan’s time is past. A lot of fans are changing their opinion of him now that some time has past. Perhaps he was wrong to walk away.
One wonders what he will do at the first sign of trouble if he manages again. That is the type of instability that the club cannot afford. Perhaps he would do well as a Football Director or Managing Director.
38 Rodney Trotter // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:24 PM
I voted yes but I am no sheep.
KK put NUFC on the map.He knows the players and delivers football and understands the local culture.At this current moment in time he is the only person for the job.He would deffo make us a top 6 team but whether top 4 not sure.Some people here show a lot of dissrespect to a man who made Newcastle the club it is today pre-Ash.
39 Ganiyu // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:25 PM
Hadji-previous topic
40 Ever seen a mackem in Milan? // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:25 PM
No i do not want him back. The football we played in the nineties was great and all the rest of it but he didnt win anything then and that was our best chance. We need a new coach, a fresh start so can we move forward and up the league instead of getting worse and worse every season. Up the toon!
41 Kev // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:26 PM
No, absolutely not, the club is bigger than any one man, both Ashley and Keegan are equally to blame. Both should go and stay gone, lets all move on.
42 Toon Chicken // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:26 PM
There’s only one Kevin Keegan,
One Kevin Keegan,
Walking again – making grown men…
ruin perfectly good bedsheets with their inane xenophobic dribblings!
43 TOONPIPES // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:28 PM
Irishman it was great against man u but then he quit . . So we might have had a good run for a while but as soon as there was pressure he wud have gone. . We need more than that
44 Tom_Toon // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:30 PM
Another reason i dont want him back:
When the innevitable happens, he quites the new owner and board will be to blame because idiots think it is Keegan FC not NUFC then we will go through this whole thing again with selling the club, turmoil etc.
45 TOONPIPES // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:30 PM
Rodney – so you are saying that it is ok for people in the north-east to quit their jobs cos wor Kev did it?
46 Rasko a.k.a Hadji // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:31 PM
We need someone who wont be a chicken to give our youngsters a chance.
We need someone who can predict the unpredictable.
Keegan is way too much old fashioned manager,who is not on the same page with the modern football.
47 Ulsterman // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:31 PM
I think with a new regime it must be time to call on Alan Shearer
48 Ganiyu // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:32 PM
It was very obvious that we would finish top 6 with kk in charge
49 TOONPIPES // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:32 PM
John lewis would like to thank wor kev for his tireless effort + support for the bedsheet dept – our profit from this dept has kept Eldon centre affloat for the next 10 years. Thank you
50 Tom_Toon // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:33 PM
Exactly Hadji, i dont want to see the likes of Kadar rot because Keegan would rather have a worse 34 year old because he has ‘experience’.
51 Toon Chicken // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:33 PM
where’s me comment gone man?
52 am sick of this // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:33 PM
have said it before will again we have had some good managers since keegans first stint who have failed to do the job
this is because the ghost of keegan lingers large over the club the ideal solution would be to reinstate keegan let him do the job his way one of two things happens we have a good side playing well challenging or keegan walks away again this time there will be no excuses either way will lay keegans ghost to rest
53 Toon Chicken // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:35 PM
Haha – John Lewis eh pipes? Bit posh innit?
54 Rasko a.k.a Hadji // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:35 PM
Ganiyu…HAHAHAHA you’re one crazy kid.Its 111 not 110,and you were very close.I play LB not LM
55 Toon Chicken // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:37 PM
Where’s all the Keegan-botters gone now?
56 TOONPIPES // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:38 PM
Bedspreads wot wot wot . .
57 madgeordie // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:38 PM
so the kk haters are saying they wud be in a job that sees ya losing any bit of control day by day?doubt it!venables cudnt bear it at leeds when they where selling his players and he cudnt replace them,and who cud blame him!ashley and wises interviews last year stated keegan had the last say on people in and out,but the recent statements say he didnt!so how can you work with those people?
58 Tom_Toon // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:38 PM
Hiding in their stables because some charver who got 10 mins of fame on skysports said they want ‘KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEGUUUUUUUUUUUN’ back.
59 Toon Chicken // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:39 PM
Only jesting like. Thought all this caper had died down to be honest. Then Ed gans and drags it all up again – beltin!!!
60 baddfiddler // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:40 PM
nope …… anyone who knows what really happened when he got a slappin in the 80`s …….. never …..
61 TOONPIPES // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:40 PM
F ucki hell that woz a bit easy . . I’m gan t kip . .
62 Rasko a.k.a Hadji // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:40 PM
TT…..Not only Kadar….Godsmark,Tozer,Zamblera.
He didn’t want Skjelbred aswell when the move was all but done.
63 Terry Mac's Crossword // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:41 PM
Alan Shearer. Yup.
64 tony // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:41 PM
Looking at this in hindsight Keegan was a god send for Ashley, by apointing him he kept the wool over the supporters eyes whilst dismantalling every aspect of the club. Keegan must have seen this months ago and by leaving this knowledge so late to walk out has left NUFC deep in shit !!! So now lets put KEEGAN to bed and for god sake look to the future instead of the past, before it’s to late.
65 Tom_Toon // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:42 PM
Dunno if Godsmark, Zamblera or Tozer are really that great.
Kadar, Donaldson, Doninger are probably the ones more to look out for IMO.
66 Rodney Trotter // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:42 PM
@ Toon Pipes 44
I’m not saying that but being undermimed by someone of Dennis Wise’s stature (However small ) would make anyone quit their job.
I do not compare football to real life cause football is fantasy but thats a whole differant subject.All I’m saying is KK quit as a last resort he has no fault in this it was obvious Milner was sold behind his back and nor replaced as promised.MA is to blame he could of rectified the situation.KK would come back if MA wasn’t so loyal to the Cockney Mafia but MA wont budge on this continental setup.
Just out of curiousity is Alan Curbishley branded a quitter?The Curbishley bit is aimed at those who brand the Messiah.I am not blinkered or a sheep but I will remain loyal to the person who converted me to a toon fan.Apologies for the post if its hard to understand I’m half asleep.
67 Toon Chicken // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:43 PM
Reet lads – much as I’d like to stay and chat about the shortcomings and inadequacies of Wor Kev – am absolutely knackered so am off to me cot.
Laters!
68 Ganiyu // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:43 PM
Newcastle is the only club that can fall the reputation of any manager world class or local
69 Toon Chicken // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:44 PM
Mange tout Rodney, mange tout!
70 Rodney Trotter // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:45 PM
Lol toon chicken
71 PDiddy // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:47 PM
Once bitten or twice in this case.
Can’t be trusted!
If I were Ashley or any individual, consortium willing to spend the massive ammount of funds to purchase Newcastle I would offer Wenger the salary, funds and control necessary to bring him to SJP. He’s allready on record stating it could be an exciting challenge for the right man!
72 Coloccini's Perm // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:48 PM
GET SVEN!!!
73 dave v // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:51 PM
I’m disgusted with this, and i see it as a betrayal of not only Keegan but any decency left in football.
Kevin, because he saw the owner and his henchmen promising himself and thus the supporters control of player recruitment and who to sell renege on a fundamental, honesty and integrity.
He did not walk, he ran out of the door and made damned sure the Newcastle public were made aware of the revolting creeps he was supposed to tow the line with. “shut up Keegan your getting well paid to lie to the Newcastle supporters”
What some of you on here fail to realise is the fact he unleashed your fury against this bunch of crooks, and how do you wish to reward your greatest servant, you want a new manager.
You will never get another man who is more loyal to us the supporters of Newcastle united, for gods sake he may even be forced into court by this creep because he thinks more of us than he does for a wad of cash in his back pocket.
I for one would not blame him if he decides not to return to our club or football again after your show of loyalty to Keegan. Some of you make me sick.
74 Geordie Jayne // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:52 PM
Always been the same on here since Keegan left.
The one’s who post the most are NOT KEEGAN fans and think they can change othere peoples minds by repeating themselves over and over again and by being abusive, posts for all to see.
This is a blog not St James’ Park I think the majority of fans showed they would love him back.
NO BACKTRACK from me on this one
KEEGAN should be aloud to finish the job he started.
Comments from Toon Chicken or Toon Pipes don’t bother with your bully boy tactics or bad mouthing me as you both have done for a long time….Like I give a damn.
75 bill // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:52 PM
Yes, KK back please asap. Can you get rid of the Mackems off this site?
They often put Toon in their online name; as if that fools anyone.
76 Irish John // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:53 PM
i love the way people rant on about our reserves as if there any good….we’ve got a crap academy at the mo…Theres a massive gap between championship football and reserve team football , never mind stepping up to the prem…None off them are ready or capable at competing at this level..
77 Rasko a.k.a Hadji // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:56 PM
Does anyone rate Marcus Tudgay like i do??
78 Jude // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:56 PM
A simple no….enuf of KK….
79 Tom_Toon // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:57 PM
So Kadar was ready for a full international euro qualifier against a good team just after his 18th birthday but he doesn’t warrant a place on the bench even with all our injuries?
Grow up Irish John.
80 Rodney Trotter // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:57 PM
I agree Dave V 100%.Newcastle fans claim to be the most loyal in the world yet turn against a honest man with integrity who put the club on the map.He was the most sucessful manager in recent history understands and loves the fans and delivers exciting football.If your boss promised you certain things and undermimed you how would you feel?KK was right to walk and he has gone up in my estimation to expose the frauds who run the club.I personally am grateful because I fell for it.
81 Irish John // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:57 PM
I think the mahority off people who voted against Keegan was because they did’nt witness what he did first time round and have a bad opinion offhim becasue off what the media make him out to be…
nobody looks at what positive things he has done …We would’nt have the club we have today if it was’nt for him and even if people dont want him back at least respect him for what he has done…dont slag him off like some off the teenage idiots on here
82 Irish John // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:58 PM
ya hungry are a great side tom….you little idiot
83 Richard // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:59 PM
You could write Tom Toon’s football knowledge on a postage stamp and still have room left over. The guy’s become a parody of himself.
84 Tom_Toon // Sep 30, 2008 at 11:59 PM
Hungary now have their best team in decades. Hungary are better than Ireland.
85 Rodney Trotter // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:02 AM
Tom_Toon maybe on Footy Manager not in reality!
86 Toony Soprano // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:03 AM
sorry folks Keegan back – blind faith
he walked – again and rest of the country are still p*****g themselves laughing and we look like were a knocking bet for relegation.
His principals will get us relegated – too unpredictable , lets have some stability – Sven or Huddink spring to mind
87 Irish John // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:03 AM
course they are tom…you beleive that…..even if they do have there best side in decades there still shit…
88 Thomas // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:03 AM
Well said dave v and Geordie Jayne..
KK is the best man for the job right now so let him continue what he started.
89 Tom_Toon // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:03 AM
how original.
Ireland are a joke, as are England. Both disgraceful football teams.
90 nate dawg // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:04 AM
my ideal set up head coach kk coachs tony adams, alan shearer, stuart pearce, pedro chairman david dein owner anil ambalni . Wa you think ? Probably not realistic but would be a great set up
91 LarrikinDan // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:05 AM
Leave us once then shame on him…
Leave us twice then shame on us…
I love the man but hes had his chance, twice…A manager with no emotional attachment to the club or us fans would almost guarantee that we never go through a patch like we have for the past month!
New owners and a talented neutral manager and were set for a new era…
92 Irish John // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:05 AM
Toony Soprano i would’nt mind keegan back but im open to others also…I think Van Gaal would be quality also
93 Rodney Trotter // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:05 AM
I dont give a sh*t what other fans think about Newcastle who cares if there laughing?
94 Thomas // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:06 AM
Bet Tom_Toon was the 1st one to vote No…
95 Tom_Toon // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:06 AM
KK – LA
Tony Adams – Pub
Alan Shearer – MOTD sofa
Stuart Pearce – In his garage with punching bag
David Dein and Pedro should be involved though!
96 Tom_Toon // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:08 AM
I bet you I wasn’t.
97 Toony Soprano // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:08 AM
Irish john, i love KK however i am sick of all the BS that comes with the Toon, not again , Van Haal Yep he would be splendid and also achievable for the new lot
98 Irish John // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:08 AM
Tom your opinion means nothing to me..
I love Ireland and also England as i have a Daughter born and bred in England and both countries im proud to fiollow whether they do shite or not…..
In honesty, counldnt caremuch about International football..Its all aboput Newcastle for me
99 Losing the love of Premierleague // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:09 AM
Tom-Toon think’s he is one of those clever fans thinking he is above everyone else. How patronising do you want to be mate? Who gives a flying duck if the young fans on skysports root for keegan. They are just as much supporters as you are, demonsrating their opinion. You don’t need to slag them off. You demonstrate your opinion, they will demonstrate theirs and i will demonstrate mine. I respect yours and more people will be more inclined to respect yours if you were more of a reasonable human being. I say give Keegan another chance. I think too many supporters are being manipulated by the media and are therefore slagging Keegan off. Anyone agree?
100 Paul // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:11 AM
Keegan seems to have the same effect on some Newcastle fans as Rusputin had on the Romanovs.
101 Rodney Trotter // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:11 AM
Tom_Toon you are no NUFC fan because your so anti-KK.All what you do is slate the great man.The King leaving his throne is making a stand for all of us.
102 Tom_Toon // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:11 AM
The charvers outside SJP do not deserve an iota of my or any fans that are logial or have an IQ over 60, they make me sick, constantly tarnishing the image of our club. I pay tax for those idiots to live!
103 Stardust // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:12 AM
Irish John
I was here for the first time (and way before that)and thrilled when he came back – but Keegan didn the biggest wrong in all of this – he ran and left the fans, players and club he “loves” when he had the power of the MOB to change everything over time.
He showed on this occassion that his QUITTER tag is rightly labelled.
104 james // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:12 AM
I WONT WASTE MANY WORDS ON THE BAK STABBERS OF SO CALLED TOON FANS YOU,S SEEM 2 HAVE VERY SHORT MEMORIES IT WAS ONLY A FEW WEEKS AGO EVERY BODY LOVED KK FIRST 2 GAMES A DRAW A WIN NO BODY WUD TAKE THE CRAP WHAT MA GAVE I WUD 2B YR M8S OR EVEN NO YOU,S COME BAK KING KEV I LOVE YA
105 Irish John // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:12 AM
Toony Soprano mate so am I…Sick off reading about all the uncertainty..Just want a quick sale ( hopefully not nigerians) get a perm manager and stability and try and kick on with whats left to achieve this year..
106 A.L 9 // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:14 AM
Yes. It would give the players an instant lift and I think it’s the only way Owen will extend his contract.
107 Rodney Trotter // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:14 AM
Stardust do you think Curbishley is a quitter?
108 Tom_Toon // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:15 AM
Walking along, singing a song, walking in a Kinnear wonderland!
There only one, Joe Kinnear!
109 Losing the love of Premierleague // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:17 AM
Oh Tom-Toon, how do you have any mates? Stereotyping now? You seem like a really clever canny man! Your probably really sad, so i am sorry for that but please don’t take it out on fellow supporters. And yes they are supporters because they pay their money to watch their team just like you do. Just because they have a different lifestyle and different opinion does not give you any right to be insulting.
110 Toony Soprano // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:17 AM
Tom Toon, you are alienating yourself by coming out with generalisations about what some of those fans do or dont do tax wise.
The point is you dont know, but coming out with comments like previous makes you come across more arragant that Ruud G
111 LarrikinDan // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:18 AM
The people who don’t want Keegan back are the only ones who are actually think for themselves…Keegan was great for us while he was here but he’s gone now…Lets move on eh guys?
If your bird left you and then came back would you take her back?
Then what if she left again and then came back once the going was good? You certainly wouldn’t take her back again!
We need a manager who can build a cup winning team with or without money…Keegan has been close but not achieved that!
What do we owe him?
We need a fresh start boys…
112 Richard // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:19 AM
I thought Tom Toon was a little schoolboy? Does he really pay taxes? Or does he mean his mummy pays taxes?
113 Tom_Toon // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:19 AM
Im talking about the grown men that stand there in the middle of the day.
I pay for their tickets.
114 stona // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:21 AM
who are these idiots toon chicken and toonpipes how can you say big kev woundnt be wellcome back to the toon this man is and will only ever be the man to make this club great again he is the only one the players and the fans love,get real,p.s if you have both got a lot to say get yourself to the next nusc meeting ;there wouldnt let you in the door,keegan keegan
115 Irish John // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:21 AM
Stardust,there is managers that would work under the structure thatAshley put forward but I get the feeling there has been a real lack off communication between the board and keegan and thats what why he walked..he did’nt have a clue who was coming in and who was going out and under those curcumstances any manager with pride would off done the same thing…for example when Keegan had he’s rant after the chelsea game he said he did’nt have Ashley’s number which is mind boggling…that little bit off info give me the inclination that communication was the biggest factor in all this
116 Losing the love of Premierleague // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:21 AM
Because you do no everyone’s work situation.please grow up!!
117 Mark Dixon // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:21 AM
Unfortunatly not,
Hes been a great bloke for Newcastle in the past but he has also left newcastle twice and both times we have suffered. He is Not the man to take us forward in my eyes.
What we need is a new start. New owners, New top class manager, clear the deadwood or the players who are not commited enough and completly change the infastructure internally..
This club needs a serious rebuild..
So lets start from the Top down
118 Tom_Toon // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:22 AM
Maybe not all of them, but the ‘boycoutt’ people, what an embarrassment.
119 HATE PRAWN SANDWICHES // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:23 AM
AL9 – I believe the only way owen will extend his contract is by waiting to see who the new owners are going to be, what there intentions are how they will invest there structures etc! I dont believe he will be sold on this january as that would be giving in to Ashley! if he doesnt sign a contract he’ll go on a free and get the transfer money for himself! would love him to stay!
120 Jude // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:24 AM
have u heard the phrase FORWARD EVER, BACKWARDS NEVER
NO to Keegan, not even if he came back as a god
121 Losing the love of Premierleague // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:24 AM
Okay, thats your opinion but why be so insulting?
122 KFroeland // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:25 AM
That’s just utter crap, Kevin was forced out of the job BIG TIME. No top-flight manager with respect for himself would accept to be in a position where players could come and go behind your back. The best thing for the club now would be Keegan coming back and pick up where he left of and build a team for seasons to come.
Don’t dare forget we had a pretty nice start to the season before Ashley decided to turn stupid and get involved where he should not. (Can’t blame Wise really.. he’s always been a f’ing c’nt and a disgrace to the game)
Only other option would be Guus Hiddink or some genius with a 7-leaf clover or something.
This whole business has made our beloved Newcastle look like a bunch of amateurs and a joke of the entire world of football. The only sane, never mind RIGHT, thing to do is to get KK back and give him all the normal priveleges of any other PL manager.
However, I fear, we have a rather legendary track record of insanity, so I’m through being surprised…
– United and loyal until the mountains of Dovre crumble -
Howay Newcastle United
123 Greg B // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:25 AM
I do not give a hoot what any one else thinks of my views, I pay to watch Newcastle United, I buy merchandise and I subscribe to both Sky Sports and Setanta – I say bring back Kevin Keegan, he will life the players, he will life the (majority of) supporters, he will life the club.
IMO we were doing OK untill Ashley (great in financial terms, shite in football terms) let his judgement be swayed, he should have sided with Keegan and fired Wise or at least demoted him.
No matter what your poll reveals Ed, or indeed why you had the poll (IMO to stir up a debate), the fans protests and marches reveals alot, and I am thinking you werent at them?
We (the majority) want Keegan back. And if we arent the majoroty (us that marched, protested etc…) then you that dont want KK back, organise a protest yourselves and see who is actually in the majority, because from where I was stood theres a lot of Newcastle fans agree with me.
ps, not having a go at you Ed, but IMO there are more important things regarding Newcastle United you could be discussing. The new owners, whoever they maybe, will appoint a new manager and if that happens to be Keegan then so be because nomatter what the people of this blog think, do or say, I will be 100% behing their decision.
I am all for freedom of speech but when I see an article such as this one, designed to split the Newcastle faithful on a topic totally out of our hands, when we should all be together, I find it nausiating to say the least.
124 Tom_Toon // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:25 AM
Because they piss me right off, they ruin the image of our club and they just make me cringe when i see them!
125 Me // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:26 AM
NO! he said all he care are the fans.. But not even a word of appreciation or thanks from him for all the fans who back and support him since he leave the club! All he think is himself and his ego. Move on toons!
126 Greg B // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:27 AM
Life=Lift in my previoue post . Thanks
127 Losing the love of Premierleague // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:27 AM
Just the feeling i get when reading your comments then.
128 PapaToon // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:28 AM
Should ask the players how they feel about, after all hes got to work with them if he comes back.
If comes back and does well, we all will be behind him and if he doesnt then im sure ppl will say “I told you so”.
But whether he will succeed coming back again depends on how the players feel about him.
129 Toony Soprano // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:28 AM
I have said too many times that if KK had come out with the truth, seen us through this season and then said ‘its not for me ‘ and walked – i would have respected his decisions
Our club paid him a lot of money – look where we are now 80% Ashley 20% Keegan
If i walk away from work for reasons of principal – no shoes for the kids!!!
130 LarrikinDan // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:32 AM
Those plonkers on Sky Sports were pretty embarrassing like!
The cockneys already hate us northerners and we just support all their stereotypes for us by going on like lunatics because Keegan spat his dummy again!
I don’t care what his reasons were for leaving he should have definitely seen it out until xmas…It was the end of the transfer window and look at the mess were in!!
A fresh start is essential!!
131 Losing the love of Premierleague // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:32 AM
Toony Soprano- Keegan is in a totally different situation to you though. There is no point in comparing lives because evryone is different. For example, i would walk away from work for reasons of principle and i would find another job, good or bad to buy shoes for the kids. He did what was right IMO. Stood his ground and made sure he did not become a puppet.
132 Hadrian // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:32 AM
YES .
cant wait to see the team he will build , unfinished business .
133 Richard // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:33 AM
How can anyone of sound mind want Luxemburgo in charge? The guy has failed outside Brazil and managed to screw up managing their national team. Managerial failure outside Brazil.
Terim – failed to cope at Milan and did an average job at Fiorentina with some great players at his disposal. Managed to do well with Gala – not really that hard when you consider there are really only 2.5 teams in Turkey.
Advocaat – don’t even start that one.
134 skin d // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:33 AM
since kevin left we have only had one other manager ,that had us going in the right direction.
that man was sir bobby,every other manager we have had has been barracked by the fans ,negative football etc etc etc.
so if we were to get say for instance fatih terim,how long will it be before a section of the crowd on on his back?,we have to be honest with ourselves no decent manager worth his salt would touch us with a bargepole,terim included.
because ffs shepherd was too trigger happy,then the mess of the current regime has left us in,ashley etc not keegan,we are not an attractive proposition at the moment.
in all honesty we couldn,t get mike bassett to manage us.
okay kk may not be the long term answer ,ie winning trophies,but he is the only man at this minute in time who will get the chance to do a job.
i know people will say serial quitter etc ,bring back kk for the next 3 year to stabilise us ,get us going in the right direction.
i dont think kevin would walk if he had the backing of the board.
some people on hear are saying he left us in the lurch, how the hell did you expect him to remain in his post with that circus in place.
if kk had kept his mouth shut and put up with the nefarious activities that were going on,it is likely we were going to struggle anyway with our minute squad,so who would you have blamed kevin? or a board that was trying to hawk around are best players on deadline day,making the squad even smaller.
so all you keegan detractors ,what would you have said on september the 1st if michael owen had of been sold.
michael is the only player in our side ,who is a goal threat,ashley wanted to sell him.
maybe i am just stupid,honestly it must be me bull ,some folks on here still want the watford toe rag to stay?why have you taken leave of your senses.
ashley has done nothing but clear debts to make the club more saleable,but him and his cronies got caught with their hands in the cookie jar,period.
like i said maybe it,s just me ,but i for one do not want a man like that skinflint useless toerag two bit conman running nufc ever.
135 HATE PRAWN SANDWICHES // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:34 AM
one thing I do agree with is all the media look for brain dead geordies! this also p***es me off! Its very rare you see some normal average fans, giving there opinions! it does make a bad picture of our fans!
136 Tom_Toon // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:35 AM
Im glad Keegan was undermned as we would have ended up with Michael Dawson, Anthony Gardner etc.
Do you really think having been out of the game for 3 years he had a clue who the likes of Jonas were?!?!? NO, and now Jonas is one of our top 3 players.
137 Thomas // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:37 AM
PapaToon
Given was asked the question and he said none of them wanted him to leave.
138 LarrikinDan // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:42 AM
OK then….Keegan does come back!
What happens if he gets a 28 million quid budget instead of a 30 million?
What happens if he got dodgy ref decision in an important cup game?
What happens if he can’t get Owen to sign a new contract?
What happens if he falls out with one of our important players like Oba or N’zogbia?
If he comes back there is too much to lose, He will never stay forever and ever making this whole situation we are in now a certainty to happen again!
He is not the only good manager out there lads…Don’t be frightened of a bit of change for gods sake!!
139 Toony Soprano // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:42 AM
Skin D and Loosing the love -good points
The morals of the people running the club are deplorable.
a few clever words to the media and KK could have let us know , stayed in with a ‘not what was in the brochure’ stance- guided us to safety and fan pressure would have forced Ashhole out anyway
140 HATE PRAWN SANDWICHES // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:43 AM
Kev: I can’t wait for Toon returnBy STEVE BRENNER
Published: 01/10/08
KEVIN KEEGAN last night opened the door for an amazing Toon return as a South African consortium tabled an official bid.
The Boks have offered Mike Ashley £280million for the club and are keen for King Kev to take charge again.
The Newcastle idol flew back from a break in the USA to tell pals he is ready to take up the reins once new owners are found.
The South Africans are one of SEVEN groups trying to buy out Ashley but are the only ones to have made an offer.
If Ashley accepts, King Kev could return this month.
A source close to Keegan said: “Kevin has had a great break, is feeling refreshed and wants to return.
“He knows what it would mean for all the fans and he wants a fresh crack at the club he loves.
“Of course, new owners have to come in but he has been pleased to see his name mentioned by prospective buyers.
“He is now just waiting to see what happens with things.”
Keegan’s return would instantly lift the Toon Army from the crisis which has ripped the club apart following his controversial exit.
Financiers Seymour Pierce hope to have a buyer confirmed by the end of the week with a mystery Nigerian consortium fronted by British businessman Chris Nathaniel also still keen.
141 skin d // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:45 AM
how does anyone know how good jonas really is on the strength of a couple of games.
i,m not knocking the the lad ,but barring the man utd game ,all he has showed me he can defend.
lets be honest he is shot shy 4 goals in 96 games before he joined us.
the lad,s got potential no doubt but he,s still got a lot to prove for me.
xisco rubbish,gonzales who,collicini looked dodgy at times,bassong could be good,nile ranger? ah yes dennis wise must know more than keegan.
142 Hadrian // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:45 AM
Tom_toon
are you saying jonas is the only good player out their ?
your discrediting a man who’s made some fantastic signings down the years .
do you think we are in the position we are in cos keegan walked? or he was let down as much as we were with the squad we have sent into the season ?
keegans always bought young and up and comming , unless it was a bargain like bringing beardsley back , he has also always been ruthless with the squad and always put the club before a player .
had we been sitting here with a decent squad now your argument may have been valid he was undermined all the way with tranfers, are you trying to imply they got all the players they wanted ? theres fine sending us into the season with a weak squad and positions not filled?
had it been any other manager we would be stuck with ashley trying to pull the wool over your eyes still , his model had nothing todo with arsenal and everything todo with spurs , and look where they are with their fancy foreign manager that you so crave .
143 LarrikinDan // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:45 AM
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/article1753081.ece
FFS!
144 Tom_Toon // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:47 AM
Hadrian – Yes we are in this positon because of Keegan, next question.
145 Thomas // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:48 AM
Tom_Toon
Did u know about jonas coz if i remember you didn’t. And u do know quite a few players right??
The point is a manager isn’t supposed to know each and every good player on the planet. That’s the scout’s job. I thought i enlightened you on this couple of weeks back.
146 Tom_Toon // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:49 AM
I knew of Jonas, just never seen him.
My point is Keega wanted Michael Dawson and other premier legue failures/cast-offs.
147 craig chisholm // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:50 AM
i think that keegan did a great thing in walking out on ashley and his wanker cronies. we can all see the way they treat us as fans and we all know that kk was at loggerheads with them from not long after he joined us. he was lied to the asme way we have been lied to constantly. he took it for as long as he could. the shambles of the last transfer window and all the undermining was the final straw. look at us now, we have no players, ahsley just kept on selling and selling (which is ok as long as he added as many of not more). i dont mind if keegan comes back or no to be honest but i am in full support of the man walking out on ashleys shite regime. In time to come, we will all understand that keegan was right. If he comes back then i am all for it if i was asked a direct question. the man was working wonders with a sub standard team. you can tell by the way the players are all talking now that he had the full backing of the dressing room. there are too many wankers on here that forget that keegan brought out of obscurity and into the prem and he did it in spectacular style too. he also brought us man city too. Its as simple as this, if you hire keegan you have to let him run it his way or it will not work. he had five great years with us before and left as he had a run in at the top. he left man city cos they wanted him to sign a massive long term contract but he was relectant to do so. he left fulham – where he was doing well under a crap budget for england. as far as i can tell, the only job he walked out on was england, that was the only job he bottled on.
148 Rodney Trotter // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:50 AM
Tom_Toon ur a f’n pr*ck.No real NUFC supporter would slate KK like you do.Its 1 thing not wanting him as manager but showing the utter contempt for him that you do is just ridicoulous.You have an obvious grudge against one of the finest men in the game.What do you think of Sir Alex and Arsene Wenger?They backed KK’s stance.Sir Alex argubably the greatest manager ever (I hate to say that but its true).Stick to Footy Manager because your clueless about the real world.
149 HATE PRAWN SANDWICHES // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:51 AM
Cant believe NUFC are thinking of bringing back Carr on a short term contract! its in the telegraph! more bull!
150 A.L 9 // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:51 AM
HPS. Did you see on Sky Sports news about a month ago when they chse to speak to that blotto geordie bloke who couldnt get a word out, it had no relevance to football of any kind but they showed it anyway trying to making us look like stupid, discracefull.
151 Hadrian // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:51 AM
Tom_toon
so its got nothing todo with the squad being poor ? are you forgeting where this group of players have finished the past few seasons ? and all we have done is rearranged some deck chair but forgot to replace some positions .
were in this mess cos we had a shocking transfer window .
152 LarrikinDan // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:52 AM
I think Keegan bottled the season because he knew our squad was poor…
But I think it says more about Keegan’s belief in himself than it does about our transfer policy…
What if we were 16th at xmas? Us fans wouldn’t be impressed would we…?
Exactly!
153 skin d // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:52 AM
dennis wise ,peter vetere ,tony jimmenez,are complete and utter garbage ,we are in the mess we are in because of these goons period,these knobheads picked the players not kev.
154 Tom_Toon // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:53 AM
Rodney Trotter – Arsene Wenger is a ledgend but Alex Taggart, not gonna call him Sir because he doesn’t deserve it, is a complete and utter tit.
155 Disheartened // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:55 AM
Reappointing Keegan would be a BIG mistake in my opinion. Rather than taking the club forward in an entirely new direction, it will rather go backwards.
No one can take away all the good things Keegan has done for the club during his two tenures. But it’s about time we close the “Keegan chapter” once and for all, and try not to relive the past as it would be happening now.
The best thing for all including new owner(s), fans, and players would be to wipe the slate clean, start fresh, and look forward to a new era. We need a new and fresh approach to dig ourselves out of this mess and eventually (hopefully) prosper again.
156 skin d // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:55 AM
kevin only wants what is best for the people of newcastle and nufc.
there was absolutley no way kevin was going to short change the fans for the sake of his employer,shows me he does care for that reason alone.
157 Thomas // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:56 AM
I was talkin in footballing terms tom.. ie ‘know’ meaning ‘seen him play’…
Oh and did KK tell you that himself??
158 Rodney Trotter // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:56 AM
Fergie may be a t*t but hes a world class manager and he backed KK.Surely he knows more then you?
159 HATE PRAWN SANDWICHES // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:56 AM
AL9 – the media always try to put the area and the geodies down! any chance they get! really boils my P***!!
160 Tom_Toon // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:57 AM
It was pretty obvious.
161 A.L 9 // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:57 AM
Tom Keegan said all summer we needed extra faces in as our squad was too thin, he also said he wanted to keep all of his players Milner included, so how when he wasn’t given permition to buy the players he wanted, and they were selling behind his back.
If the board had just allowed him to take charge we would probably still have a manager now and not be down to the bones of our arse in terms of players, however because of the board, we are now managerless and have about 4 fit players who would get into our starting XI when all fit (yes he walked but would you not walk from a job if they were as incompetent as them lot)
162 Rodney Trotter // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:57 AM
at tom_toon
163 skin d // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:57 AM
disheartened your entitled to your opinion fair dos,but who the f##k is going to manage us new owners or not.
164 matty // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:58 AM
Yes please asap, so I can sleep at night.
165 Tom_Toon // Oct 1, 2008 at 1:02 AM
No, he does not know more than me on this subject as it is not about knowing or knowledge it is about opinion and interpretation as we have few facts.
166 craig chisholm // Oct 1, 2008 at 1:02 AM
tom toon……….alex ferg a complete tit u say. well man, you are on crack. it doesnt matter if you like him or not, he is the most successful club manager in the world – ever. wenger is good also but he has done nothing compared to ferguson. no real football thinking person would say that about ferguson, nothing you say can be taken seriously after that statement. I agree he is a crabby old twat but who cares, whats that got to do with anything? Or were you just joking?
167 HATE PRAWN SANDWICHES // Oct 1, 2008 at 1:04 AM
must admit im looking forward to new owners! just so things get sorted one way or another!! and we can concentrate on the football and not all the shit that is happening to the club!! Just hope the new owner/s are good for the club! cant go through it again!!
168 Rodney Trotter // Oct 1, 2008 at 1:04 AM
@ tom_toon
You say we have few facts yet you stated you are glad KK walked because we would of ended up with Dawson and Gardner.Double standards?I think so.You don’t know who KK wanted no1 does except the mafia and the great man himself.Why those twon names dont excite me if KK wants them I will support them.
169 craig chisholm // Oct 1, 2008 at 1:05 AM
ha ha ha tom toon, you are now saying you know more about footy than sir alex. what you been drinking man cos i want some. anything that can make you that off-it has to be worth a try.
170 Tom_Toon // Oct 1, 2008 at 1:07 AM
craig chisholm – the fountain of ignornace and illiteracy.
171 Thomas // Oct 1, 2008 at 1:07 AM
KK knows the exact type of player needed at nufc.
Thats one of his strengths and he damn well knows how to build a solid team. Yet u question that aspect.
Now he’s been back a good 8 months, so he would definitely have a knowledge of the better players around.
172 skin d // Oct 1, 2008 at 1:08 AM
i would tek the pepsi challenge with fergie ower most other managers,even if he is a whiskey weathered auld twat.
173 Tom_Toon // Oct 1, 2008 at 1:08 AM
read my comment again mug!
174 Disheartened // Oct 1, 2008 at 1:10 AM
I don’t blame Keegan for walking out. BUT if the club was really in his best interest and not himself, he could’ve at least waited until the January transfer window before walking out.
Swallowing one’s pride for the best interest of something greater than yourself is not shameful or wrong. To desert the club the day after the transfer window closes and with the season just beginning, is the worse timing ever. Right or wrong, but I think many managers would have acted diffrently if the club was really in their best interest. The owner(s) and the board are just one part of club, but then you have the players, coaches and fans to think of as well.
Just my humble opinion…
175 skin d // Oct 1, 2008 at 1:11 AM
who ye callin a mug?
176 Tom_Toon // Oct 1, 2008 at 1:11 AM
Disheartened comment 162, brilliant comments!
177 Tom_Toon // Oct 1, 2008 at 1:11 AM
skin d – craig chisholm.
178 clever-toon-lad // Oct 1, 2008 at 1:13 AM
kk back
179 Rodney Trotter // Oct 1, 2008 at 1:13 AM
I personally think its better he has walked out now so this mess can be sorted b4 we are in any serious danger.All this relagation talk is stupid way 2 early.If KK walked in Jan we would be in this mess mid season which would be way worse and how could the players be picked up?
180 Buddy23 // Oct 1, 2008 at 1:14 AM
TT- Whilst I agree that Keegan probably should not come back, your comments regarding the fans the fans etc. were well out of line mate.
181 skin d // Oct 1, 2008 at 1:16 AM
disheartened he could have stayed ,but i bet you owt ye like the would have still bumped him for transfers in january .
so if he had of chucked it in jan we would still be in the same boat, the injuries would have happened.
at least with it happening now it has bought us more time.
182 skin d // Oct 1, 2008 at 1:17 AM
tom toon sorry mate.
183 Tom_Toon // Oct 1, 2008 at 1:18 AM
Rodney Trotter – I would be the same if he walked out in the manner he did any time.
He should have made noises about his discontent in the press.
184 skin d // Oct 1, 2008 at 1:21 AM
at this minute in time ne decent managers would come here,the ownly mugs that,ll manage us are characters like joe,it,s heartbreaking.
185 clever-toon-lad // Oct 1, 2008 at 1:24 AM
The only thing i agree with Tom_Toon about is the chavs that hang around the stadium. They r embarressing n make others think ppl in our area r all thick n scruffs
But the bottom line on the debate about KK walking is that both arsene wenger n fergie (the 2 best managers in the world) said that he was right 2 walk and they would have done the same. So if your having a go at KK for doing that then u r having a go at them aswell, along with prob every other manager in the prem. Therefor in Tom_Toon’s opinionevery prem manager is stupid including the 2 greatest!
186 clever-toon-lad // Oct 1, 2008 at 1:27 AM
who agrees?
187 Tom_Toon // Oct 1, 2008 at 1:27 AM
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-v64FnGS3jU&feature=related
188 Rodney Trotter // Oct 1, 2008 at 1:28 AM
He did make noises in the press indirectly.The whole Milner would be the last person to be sold remark then hes gone.The I’m not letting anyone go cause the squad is too small comment at the end of the season.Then wham 5 players are gone including the great yet injury prone Emre.How many times did he state the board neeed to renew Owens contract?They didn’t even listen to him.Owen is crucial to NUFC if we lose him were in the Sh*t.There are loads of comments that were made by KK that were contradicted by what happened.He wouldn’t intentionally mislead the fans but Wise would.
189 clever-toon-lad // Oct 1, 2008 at 1:36 AM
Tom_Toon i just think u can’t see past the chavs that can’t really explain in any ryme or reason they want KK. Yes appointing KK wud be partly due to him being popular but it wud not be with 0% logic. At the end of the day he is still a good manager, has a great footballing philosophy, and has worked with this group of players before so the would pick up on his methods a lot quicker than any1 elses
190 clever-toon-lad // Oct 1, 2008 at 1:43 AM
KK
191 brutooooon // Oct 1, 2008 at 1:50 AM
keeegan is a good manager. he is our king kev. but if were to ask the question.
i would be an easy NO for me.
192 Disheartened // Oct 1, 2008 at 1:53 AM
@ skin d
Transfers or no transfers in the January transfer window is not the main point here. But at least the new manager would have had a chance to buy, or even offload, the players he wanted (assuming Keegan left right before the start of the window). Whether Ashley then would’ve backed any new signings, we’ll never know I guess. But that’s still besides the point.
The main point here is that the team would’ve had a chance to gel together properly, work under a stable environment, and then hopefully find a style of play and formation that would work the best for them – all under a manager they trust and respect, and without this chaos surrounding them now.
This way, the club would at least have half a season done without this chaos, give the owner time to find a replacement for Keegan, and a team that could play decent football. All of this would make the job a lot easier for any new manager that would’ve taken over from Keegan.
193 harvey // Oct 1, 2008 at 1:53 AM
no thanks…
u should never go back.. i thought getting KK in the first place for the second coming was a mistake…
we need to move forward… and us toon fans need to welcome who ever comes in even if they are not a geordie… since we seem to drive nearly every manager away..
194 skin d // Oct 1, 2008 at 1:55 AM
aye but the team are crap because of the lack of investment
195 clever-toon-lad // Oct 1, 2008 at 1:56 AM
can u’s see my messags?
196 Shane // Oct 1, 2008 at 2:05 AM
tom_toon – you are a tit. claiming Keegan wanted certain players, for example dawson. i don’t ever recall Keegan saying he wanted these players. grow up mate, you’re worse than the papers.
197 Aussie Magpie Fan // Oct 1, 2008 at 2:07 AM
Please , Please do not get KK back.. Too much of a flight risk… Also very average tactically and although a good motivator I do not see him as anything special as a manager…. We need a manager that will be in for the long haul.. Like Ferguson or Wenger… That is the only way the club will move forward… Some fans wil also need to show patience… It will take time to build a team.. I’ve also read that we are lacking quality… Come on give me a break… Near on all of the 1st team are international players… They just don’t give a sh*t at the moment… that is the real problem… Where is the hunger for sucess..
198 Disheartened // Oct 1, 2008 at 2:09 AM
199 Aussie Magpie Fan // Oct 1, 2008 at 2:20 AM
The problem stems from overpaid players getting paid whether they play well or not… We should have them all on performance based salaries… Play crap… Paid crap… I bet we would see a bit more effort if that was the case….
Also to all the fans that protested against Ashley… I reckon if you engaged your brains and thought about the after effects associatted with him selling the club… you wouldn’t of protested so hard.. Some of these fans surely must take some of the blame on their shoulders for the mess the club is in… What did you think was going to happen when we lose an manager and the owner is then forced to sell… All I have seen is the said supporters continuely blaming Wise and Ashley.. Have a look in the mirror people and you will see the real culprits in this mess…
200 ObaFan2 // Oct 1, 2008 at 2:33 AM
Ok enough of this … Tom Toon pays taxes? since when ? you’ve just left school and now going to college????? So you’re poncing off us tax payers if anyone is.
Now grow up and get off your high horse and btw…. nearly 2 to 1 in the KK vote so you’re in the minority there also.
201 Geordie Taipei // Oct 1, 2008 at 2:37 AM
Kevin left the first time because we wanted more than he thought he could deliver. This time he was treated with utter contempt by people who neither understand NUFC nor the people of Newcastle Upon Tyne. This time round Kevin offers us the greatest stability and as for what we want, we just want that with the dash of hope and excitement that Kevin brings with him.
202 savio // Oct 1, 2008 at 2:39 AM
the only person that i want now as the manager is keegan.he knows this club better than any one else.and we were protesting against ashley to reinstate keegan.anhd we should remember how bad we were playing before keegan came last season.and he changed the things around.if he got the right kind of players this season we should have been there in the top 6.and there is no meaning in being the manager of a club without having the complete control over transfers.so he was right to leave in my opinion.and now if he returns ,we will again start to win matches.and also the players like keegan.that is also imporatant.so he is the apt guy
203 NASMIE JACOBS // Oct 1, 2008 at 2:45 AM
SAME PLAYERS SAME SITUATION SAME MANAGER NOW WE BLAME THE CRISIS.I TOLD YOU SO .KK WAS A GREAT MANAGER .HIS TIME ET MAN . CITY WHAT PLAYER OR PLAYERS DID HE BUY THATS GREAT TODAY ‘ NONE’ SO Y DA FUSS .HE’S A HAS BEEN NOT A LEGEND SHEARER IS A PLAYERS LEGEND SIR BOBBY A MANAGER LEGEND AND KEEGAN A HAS BEEN LEGEND .OUR PLAYERS DONT PLAY WITH HART NOR SOUL THEY PLAY LIKE THEY KNOW THEY GONA LOOSE ‘EXCEPT GIVEN’OWEN GETS TEN CHANCES AND SCORE ON GOAL .OH YEH WE GOT A WORLD CLASS STRIKER .OH PLEASE PEOPLE HE’S A KEEGAN A HAS BEEN .NONE OF THE CURRENT TEAM’EXCEPT GIVEN’ARE WORLD CLASS NOT EVEN PREMIER LEAGUE CLASS.THEY ARE ALL OTHER CLUBS REJECTS ‘OWEN -LIVERPOOL,REAL MADRID.SMITH,BUTT- MAN.U ‘.VIDUKA – WAY PAST HIS PRIME .IVE ALWAYS DREAMT OF NEWCASTLE WINNING A TROPHY BUT NOW I KNOW IT WONT HAPPEN IN MY LIVING DAYS ON EARTH .A SOUTH AFRICAN TOON SOLDIER
204 craig chisholm // Oct 1, 2008 at 2:46 AM
tom toon, i did re read your shite comments, i stand by what i said about you and your remarks, you are an idiot.
205 Neil B // Oct 1, 2008 at 2:49 AM
One word to describe us Newcastle fans.
FICKLE!
206 ObaFan2 // Oct 1, 2008 at 2:52 AM
OMG, read the rest of the comments now… knows more than Ferguson? what an arrogant person ur …. tbh you know f all about life yet you’re willing to call people twice your age (or more) and who have much more experience than you, fgs!!!!
As for our next manager, when we have new owners and they appoint a new manager I hope it is the right choice whether it’s KK or someone else and as fans we hopefully will be able to get behind our team as UNITED fans once again.
207 neozero // Oct 1, 2008 at 3:08 AM
Although i dont think keegan will be the manager that is going to win us any trophy, I think he is the best option for us to stablize the club in the next 2-3 years before he give way another world class manager.
208 Shane // Oct 1, 2008 at 3:17 AM
just heard on talkSPORT radio that some lass cut up hers and her blokes newcastle shirts and created her wedding dress out of them. gave me a good chuckle. but yeah, would love Keegan back, great manager.
209 Patrick (Pizzicato) // Oct 1, 2008 at 3:30 AM
I think it’s not the matter of talking about if KK comes back. The new owner will join us before the manager is being decided. If the new owner wants good football, the new owner must do the best for us.
If we can get KK back, that’s good; if the new owner wants Rijkaard or Shearer and we can get better results, let’s listen.
By the end of today, we may still argue about if KK is back. What my concern is that if we can get someone like Bobby as well.
Whoever pushing us up high is the best manager.
210 mark // Oct 1, 2008 at 4:01 AM
Yes of course! The whole reason I’m a supporter and proud is because of the brand of football we play when keegan was in charge! Winning or not, don’t matter that much.
I feel my heart at ease when keegan walks out of the dug out with his players. This club is his, and I’d be thrilled to have him back again! Even if it’s for the 3rd time!
211 Ivan // Oct 1, 2008 at 4:03 AM
Personally no!
what happens if he quits again?
remember this was the second time he did, what makes you think he wont do it again.
He mentioned before that he wont quit even if newcastle goes down to championship, but look where we are now. 19th, because he quits.
Move on!
212 NepToon // Oct 1, 2008 at 4:06 AM
if anyone knows the recent history of NUFC, they would know about that one person who took a side that was at the bottom of 2nd division in 91-92, promoted them to division one, then to the premiership in 93-94 season. And how did Keegans Newcastle do in the premiership? 3rd, 6th, 2nd and 2nd until keegan was forced to walk away (Page 14 of Keegan’s biography). The most successful manager after him was SBR, at whos period the best finish for the club was a 3rd.
Now people here might say football has changed and all other crap but even when he came back for the 2nd time, he took a side flirting with relegation, made some astute tactical changes and managed to save the club and restore the pride and style that was killed by the Devil of Football, Mr Allardyce, himself.
People throw names like Terim and managers who have a good track record, but do they have a good track record when it comes to managing NUFC?? A certain Sam had a decent management record, didnt he? Wouldn’t you want to take a chance coz this guy keeps walking away? Well we’ve been doing that ever since he left in 97 and we havent even gotten any closer to the success that the club achieved during his time? Would any genuine Newcastle fan want to take a chance again? I hope not.
Kevin Keegan did walk out for the first time because he felt he was ill-treated. Well wouldn’t you? He transformed a side that was finding life hard in the 2nd division to a side that was worthy of the support of the NUFC fans and were called the entertainers. Moreover, he also unearthed gems like Andy Cole, Asprilla, Albert Ginola and more. I wouldn’t want him as a manager if I lost my sanity or I was a mackem.
He left Fulham for England, if he did not people would quickly change sides and blame him for being ambition less and mind you, he did win promotion with Fulham. He walked out of the England job because he thought he was not good enough (after SBR, I dont quite know if anyone was actually successful) and did not take a massive compensation, unlike others. Left Man City cuz he did not want to commit himself to them in long term and they wanted the opposite(he won promotion with them too). Walked away the second time cuz a person like Wise was undermining him and making him look like a liar in front of the fans (James Milner and Left Back saga).
If not for Keegan, I dont even know if Newcastle would be a premiership side, he changed the path of history.
I dont want to be one of those who post their view and look down on someone elses, or go around the blog calling people sheep but I have a reason to get behind Keegan, a very strong one.; and I think history is on my side, if I am not wrong.
213 Sav // Oct 1, 2008 at 4:06 AM
Keegan has to be offered the job. We’d made a good start and his awareness that the squad was inadequate has been proven correct.
Those who would have had him stay on in acquiescence despite being undermined would be quite happy to have the club actually run by Wise and Llambias?
In agreeing, however reluctantly, to Milner’s sale, Keegan did show himself to be a ‘team player’ in a management structure. That bodes well if he were to return. I would like to see new owners set up a similar structure, but with the manager at the head of it and top people in the various roles.
There’s a shoddy appreciation by several on here of the integrity KK demonstrated . Thank goodness its only a few on the blogs, not the majority at SJP.
The acid test though, is the obvious loyalty evident from the senior players who seem to want the man back to finish the job. I’d like to see him get that chance.
214 ginkoh // Oct 1, 2008 at 4:12 AM
Depend on our choice, If we can get good and high profile like Hiddink (just example) never mind Keegan return. But if not Keegan and be Venable, O leary, Curbishley. I think Keegan is the best choice.
215 Phil,Gosforth // Oct 1, 2008 at 4:25 AM
Some absolute $^*(^$*s on here tbfh.
KK is gonna come back it seems,whatever bollox you come up with to try and discredit him.
As for Therim (LMFAO,coz he won a few titles in some crappy league and Turkeys unbelievable get outs in the Euro’s?) or any funker else you wanna name,get a grip and realise that managing NUFC isn’t like fkin Gala or where fkin ever.
Souness had won things,Daglish had won things.SO WHAT?Great they were eh?
Anyone who calls him a quitter just hasn’t a clue about NUFC history,or KK’s history,simple fkin as.
If we’re gonna have money to compete,I trust KK more than ANYONE else to spend it.
All the KK haters name all the lemons he bought eh?Then I’ll show ya many more @ every single club in the land.
As for all the tits saying “He deserted us.He should have stayed till Jan” ffs,who’s head would we have been shouting for if he hadn’t said owt and kept going?Keegans,not fkin MA’s.He made us truly aware of the real problem and THAT is something I thank him for.Even though he was skint,desperate for the money,he stood by his principles and told em to f-off.Anyone who thinks that’s the wrong thing to do is either a kid,or mentally unstable.
I want a man who knows what I want,knows the club,knows the area and who I trust and that man is KK.
216 Phil,Gosforth // Oct 1, 2008 at 4:43 AM
Disheartened @ 175.
No m8,you are well wrong.
If KK isn’t happy and is being undermined left right and centre,lied to and taken for a mug,then how does that a make stable environment for the players to gel?An unhappy manager is a bad thing to have at any club.The players know the crack,man.KK never looked happy at near enough any time under MA.
Just coz we knew nothing until KK left and it all became apparent,doesn’t mean there was no chaos already at the club.
217 MichaelOWaN // Oct 1, 2008 at 5:39 AM
Firstly, I just want to say that Im a true Newcastle supporter and I know all the great work that he has done for the club as a player and as a manager, but looking forward, I think it would be wise if he doesnt come back. He will just bring back all those negativity that surrounds the club. We need to move on and find a better manager. Lets dont forget that Keegan walk out from the club not once but twice even though he was forced to do it according to him. I mean what are the chances that he wont walk out from the club again the third time? History have shown that Geordie managers or manager who knows the club best have done well during their times with us, but I dont think we should limit our scope on that criteria when trying to find a new manager.
Im sure there are other managers out there who can do well, but he will need to be given the support from the board as well. And when I say other managers, I am referring to the ones which have won many things with other clubs, not someone like Joe Kinnear though.
218 Marty-TOON RISING // Oct 1, 2008 at 6:45 AM
KK is legend but think it`s time to move on.
Steve BRuce would be classic or Van Gaal.
Needs to be given 3yrs no matter if results are going against us,we need stability for at least that long so that we aint changing managers that change the team every 9months
219 little willie // Oct 1, 2008 at 6:52 AM
Absolutely not.
He’s as much to blame as anyone for the current mess we’re in and he’s been shown to be a liar and a media manipulator in the process.
220 little willie // Oct 1, 2008 at 6:56 AM
Phil, Gosforth
Even though he was skint,desperate for the money,he stood by his principles and told em to f-off.
———
What a complete load of rubbish!
He walked out on the club but refused to say he had resigned, after 2 days of his lawyers looking over his contract he was happy to resign and push for constructive dismissal which is now being discussed between both sets of lawyers.
It’s people like you who think Keegan can do no wrong that make this club a laughing stock.
221 LostWords // Oct 1, 2008 at 7:15 AM
I like kk and his style of play. He is however, not good at spotting and grooming young talents. He even abolished the youth and reserves system the first time he was here. Mike ashley might be clueless about many things but he is right about following the Arsenal system and build for the future. Imo, if he does return, he will need someone else to help him with that.
222 51times // Oct 1, 2008 at 7:21 AM
He abolished the reserve and youth teams because they were required to play a certain number of games at SJP – but Keegan wanted the pitch in top condition for first team matches. The turf was very different back then, not as resilient.
223 dubsea // Oct 1, 2008 at 7:25 AM
yes to keegan coming back…judge him on this season’s results and he deserves a fair crack at the job with 100% backing…
224 51times // Oct 1, 2008 at 7:27 AM
Also, you want to talk about following the
225 51times // Oct 1, 2008 at 7:29 AM
…Arsenal model (thanks for removing the edit function Ed, another A+ decision) but I find that laughable. Arsenal were a top team winning trophies long before their youth system started to really work, and now every team wants an Academy like the Arsenal one. It’s not going to happen.
226 Ganiyu // Oct 1, 2008 at 7:30 AM
Morning.:-)
227 macn0ble // Oct 1, 2008 at 7:34 AM
NOO,
Medicore tactician, who left us in the mess we are right now, and 2 games into the season. NO NO NO NO NO NO N ON ON OJ ON O NO NO N aaarrggh,
228 UTD111 // Oct 1, 2008 at 7:35 AM
Easiest question I’ve been asked in Ages Ed – my answer?
YES OF COURSE!!!
He’s the best manager we’ve had since Joe Harvey and there isnt anyone else around who could do the job whilst openly sharing our love of United.
A love of United is also something which Joe had.
229 AusGeordie // Oct 1, 2008 at 7:38 AM
I would take Keegan back simply because I wanted to see what he could do when he did come back and it looked like he was moving us forward again. Any new owner would be crazy to give him the job back after seeing the consequences of him leaving so I don’t see it happenning really.
Although I wouldn’t mind Sven, thought he did well with what he had at Man City and I wanted him instead of fat Sam. I do think he’s a realitics target who could help the team in attracting players.
Whoever it is they have to be a name that draws the younger players and I did fear that KK wasn’t the drawcard he was 15yrs ago.
Anyone noticed how good the youth team are doing?? they’ve been smashing them in by the looks of it. How about some more coverage on the u18′s ED?
230 51times // Oct 1, 2008 at 7:42 AM
AusGeordie – I’ve went to watch the U18s a few times, they’re alright really…none of them strike me as potential premierleague players though. Then again I don’t watch them every game so I’m probably not a good judge.
231 Geno Toon // Oct 1, 2008 at 7:42 AM
although i love KK and think he has done amazing things for the club i do believe it is time for a new era…. new owner… new manager… new mindset.
anyone disagree?
232 51times // Oct 1, 2008 at 7:44 AM
I’d be willing to take a new manager like Terim so I could laugh at Spyro, Toon Chicken, Tom_Toon etc when he gets sacked after 5 months.
233 AusGeordie // Oct 1, 2008 at 7:46 AM
Cool, I’ll be watching them closely this year to see how they are doing. Shame really as the youth was one of the many things Ash was doing right.
234 Estranged // Oct 1, 2008 at 7:47 AM
ok tom toon and co. U guyz are too young to understand what KK means to us. Were u there when we were in the second div? No. I’m not gonna turn this into a ‘who is a better fan’ debacle.
Mate i live n breathe football, i know that terim, hiddink wud be no brainers. I’ll tell u this much. If they get the job, i wouldn’t be disappointed at all.
But if none of those tried n tested managers take the job n we end up with some paul ince or o’leary instead of KK than it’s back to square one.
Newcastle is a different kettle of fish. KK truly understands it and not many others do.
Just friendly banter mate.
235 AusGeordie // Oct 1, 2008 at 7:48 AM
don’t think i can laugh anymore, another manager in 5 months and i may just finally snap and start to play cricket instead!
236 Guinea Mag // Oct 1, 2008 at 7:56 AM
KK has been good for Newcastle United, but inevitable he’d walk when not getting his own way.
He’s gone and we need to move forward; a new owner and “please” a new manager!!!
Thanks Kev, but goodbye……
237 Canada44 // Oct 1, 2008 at 7:56 AM
why not, but please shoot barton…everybody hate him, and many players didn’t come because he’s here!
238 Estranged // Oct 1, 2008 at 7:58 AM
51 times – regarding what we were talkin abt earlier – basketball, soccer…
I understand mate but I bet ya football is going doing down the exact same route with the citehs n chelskis n so on.
I have supported the toon since we were in div 1 and I’ve seen so many of my peers switch to a better team (well a richer team).
Most of these billionaires are just exploiting their riches in any given area. No cultural attachment whatsoever.
10 years from now this will transcend into a money game.
239 dave // Oct 1, 2008 at 7:59 AM
Keegan left because he was put in an untenable position, where he had been undermined, out maneuvered and constructively dismissed. He now faces a law suit which could potentially cost him millions and given that his finances were already in jeopardy it’s pretty clear to me that he had no choice. Some people are genuine, honest and sincere and KK ticks all of those boxes which is why I can’t understand some of the critics on here. What many people don’t seem to realise is that this isn’t just about Newcastle it’s about the world wide game. If Keegan is re-instated it sends out a message to all of those multi-billionaires, that regardless of how much money you have you have to commit yourself not only to the club but the fans as well.
As far as Newcastle go, we’re in a heap of trouble. If the next appointment is the wrong one, how many players will go in the January window, where will we be in the league and what will our prospects be? This talking about, “we’re too good to go down,” is garbage as we’ve been there before as many will remember and who was the bloke who picked us up. It was the right bloke than and he’s the right bloke now. You also have to consider the players and what they want. They’re gutted and can’t believe what happened with Keegan and that is being reflected on the pitch, to them it’s like their big brother/father has been taken away.
I still think we should keep Joe Kinear on as he’s a very experienced and useful guy however I’m not sure if I’d like the Nigerian consortium take over because there are far too many politics over there not to mention the corruption. Hopefully this will be taken into consideration.
As for the league I’d be happy with 12-14th at Christmas and just outside the top 6 at the end of the season. That would be a good foundation to build on but it won’t happen overnight as there is still a lot of work to do and we need at least another 6 players to bolster the squad which is a point that Keegan tried to make but it fell on deaf ears.
If you want to blame somebody for the mess blame Ashley and his cronies as they’re the culprits and they’re the ones who ruined the club. It was always Ashley’s intention to make a killing out of Newcastle however nobody took that literally!
240 toooooonfan // Oct 1, 2008 at 8:05 AM
keegan back as manager on one year deal with kinnear as assisstant
at the end of the season, if things are going well leave them in charge, if not tell them thanks but no thanks and bring in someone else
241 Geno Toon // Oct 1, 2008 at 8:10 AM
we need stability and a rebuilding of everything. I understand what keagen is but new era… an era of Winning…of doing it right..
242 The Entertainers // Oct 1, 2008 at 8:20 AM
Although to young to remember him as a player, he is still one of my heros for his transformation of my club during his first time in charge and my feelings will never change.
However after my initial anger at Ashley regarding our current predicament and most of my blame is still directed towards him.
I do now believe Keegan handled the situation badly and think he should have made his feelings clear to the fans and threatened to leave at the end of the season if the problems did not change. This would have put the club first and Keegan second, the way it should be!
But would i welcome Keegan back a 3rd or 4th time !!!!
Well YES, of course i would…….why?
We need to start with basics and the foundations, which for me is team spirit, confidence and unity and there is only one man who would bring this instantly and that is Kevin Keegan.
On top of that keegan brings:
The right style of football.
Honestly
Understanding of a club / fans / area
Ambition.
For me there is only one problem and thats the fear he would walk out AGAIN!!
This will always burden him for the rest of his career, but in the position we are current in, it is still a chance i would take.
Of course there are tones of quality managers out there and would be over the moon with a Van Gaal or a similar standard manager, but at the moment anyway prehaps my heart is ruling my head!
243 figsdad // Oct 1, 2008 at 8:20 AM
i agree give kinnear a job as coach..
244 lesh // Oct 1, 2008 at 8:25 AM
Must say, I’m not sure whether KK’d be up to managing in the hard-nosed financially-driven world that’s football today.
He’s very much a dreamer and has wonderful ambitions for pleasing the crowds by attracting super-stars and whilst that’s great for the fans, would the backers be happy with that?
A great motivator and sparkling personality, I do believe that the club really ought to harness Kevin’s talents and capitalise on them.
He’d definately suit a high-profile front-office job where his attributes can be is used to advantage – player recruitment, scouting overseer, ambassador …. dare I say it, Executive Dorector (Football)!!
But, for that to work, he’d need to be in post and be on the same wavelength as a Manager/ coach who could produce results with limited resources available to him/ her.
Could Kevin and Terim gel I wonder?
245 Ganiyu // Oct 1, 2008 at 8:29 AM
6 new signings
246 Spidey // Oct 1, 2008 at 8:29 AM
We need to move away from this stupid mentality that only someone from the club or a geordie can manage it, its nonsense and precisely the kind of thing which stunts our growth. And I might add, is something Keegan seems to have promoted on his return, which so many have bought in to.
A club can evolve with a manager. Look at Arsenal, they used to be a 1-0 defensive side and now when you think of Arsenal, you think of Wenger, of class, of skill and excitement.
A new owner should signal new times. Gut the club and make it fresh. Bring in someone like Hiddink and watch the club evolve with the modern game. That’s the only way we will move away from this circus northern image we have created with this blind love for Keegan. He has had his time, now we should look forward!
247 Bob1 // Oct 1, 2008 at 8:31 AM
Keegan back? Why? So he can walk out again when he bottles it! The sooner the fans get over this messiah bo&&ocks the better! How many walk outs will it take?
ps Rodney you talk utter shite!
248 Nick // Oct 1, 2008 at 8:32 AM
It’s funny reading these comments now in the cold light of day. In hindsight, what did the protests really achieve, if anything at all?
KK will never be Fergie tactically or Wenger as in being able to scout and develop young players .
I liked Ashley’s plans, just think he hired all the wrong people. Mort was great, Llambias was appalling. Denis Wise as DOF was ridiculous.
Too ill for it now, but SBR would have been great in that role. It needed someone with experience who lived in the area.
I still think and have always felt we need a top european coach. The sunday pub team manager we have now is an absolute insult to all the fans.
Canada 44 I agree I think a lot of players don’t come to us and a lot of kids don’t watch us any more because of theat moron Barton. However, I would play Barton with Guthrie instead of Butt and Cacapa because right now needs must!!
249 Gooderz // Oct 1, 2008 at 8:47 AM
lesh has got a good idea there. KK could indeed work with Richard Money and get in young lads, looking at both ability and attitude and helping development during their time in the academy.
He could also help the chairman of the new owners and making sure we never see similar events like we have had recently.
Keegan would also double up as a press officer.
If an equally passionate manager was appointed (ie Terim) then they could work together as they both aim for the same type of football. This also means KK could offer advice, if asked, on the current squad members which may save the manager learning the attributes of each player.
Another benefit is if they’re both involved in negotiations with a player then we’d have two very passionate people in talks and most proper footballers could find that hard to turn down.
But would Keegan fancy that role?
250 LostWords // Oct 1, 2008 at 8:51 AM
@ 51
By following arsenal, i meant investing in the youth system. No one is expecting us to have world class academy overnight but we must all start somewhere. Whats so laughable about that?
No matter whats the reason, not investing in the youth academy is just short sighted and stupid. Unless you are moneybags chelsea, not grooming young talents through the ranks and relying on buying expensive established stars is just not sustainable.
All the top squads had developed world class players through their academy and they saved millions which they reinvest in other players. Arsenal got fabregas, liverpool gerrard, man u ronaldo. These players would have easily cost the club upwards of 30mil and they got them for a pittance. Who do we have?
251 Temuri K's Shiny Bonce // Oct 1, 2008 at 8:55 AM
No I don’t think so Ed not this time. I think he broke a lot of hearts and heads when he walked last time. I just think that a clean break would be the best option and Terim would be my choice as well followed by Louis Van Gaal, Didier Deschamps, Gerard Houllier or surprise tip Gordon Strachan (maybe Temuri K?
) Not KK tho
252 listie // Oct 1, 2008 at 8:56 AM
As a manager, no thanks, he shouldn’t have come back last time, but KK is a legend and needs to be something to do with the club, just not the 1st team manager
253 Temuri K's Shiny Bonce // Oct 1, 2008 at 8:57 AM
I tell you what tho completely off topic I’ll be breathing a massive sigh of relief when we get Enrique, Guthrie, Jonas, Beye, Barton and Martins back surely that’s our injuries and for the whole season!!!
254 lesh // Oct 1, 2008 at 9:01 AM
Re: Gooderz // Oct 1, 2008 at 8:47
Sounds good to me…. though I’m bound to say that!!
But, as asked, would KK be happy not being head honcho?
That’d depend on how the idea’s sold to him and his colleagues, PLUS a very very astute MD/ CEO who understands people and what makes ‘em tick.
A failure in people management’s where it went wrong last time….. let’s all learn from that episode
255 Born Again Geordie // Oct 1, 2008 at 9:03 AM
No to KK as a manger – DoF ?? possibly.
PR – front man – maybe.
Would like him back at the club but not as manager.
256 The Entertainers // Oct 1, 2008 at 9:09 AM
I am amazed at some of the comments about Keegan or whoever working along side another manager, whether hes called a director of football or coach!
Its still the same situation as before. Now each to their own, but once bitten twice shy as far as i’m concerned.
This system may well work in Europe, but has had a troubled existence here in Blighty.
Even with boat loads of money like Spurs have at the moment they still cant get it right with that system!
What we need in my opinion is 1 manager, with bloody good assistants, who accept they are assistants to the manager and a good scouting team to boot.
I’m not sure who did the scouting at Newcastle where it was Vetere or Jimenez but they had an eye for talent. Now if we could keep that quality without the mess that came with it under Wise we would be onto a winner.
257 Ian // Oct 1, 2008 at 9:16 AM
Yes.
I see the old pro Ashley lot who all said he was the saviour of the club now dont want Keegan, apart from one or two it is easy to spot the outsiders. Because this Wise and Ashley system is working all so well without a quality manager.
Keegan’s record is amazing at Newcastle, I wasnt sure if he still had it but it was very obvious he did once everyone was back from the African Nations Cup. Everyone forgot about relegation and an emptying stadium under Sam and all were looking to the future.
Now everyone is raking over the past and no-one talks of a future only hoping for a owner who has a brain and doesnt employ friends, if that doesnt demonstrate clearly what a quality manager brings to Newcastle while he is here then nothing does.
Bobby Robson and Keegan are quality and Newcastle was better when they were here, we need owners who recognise how important the manager is so after the next Keegan spell they have an equally good manager lined up to step in, no manager is forever and Keegan is no different so we need the top managers for the job pinpointed long before the existing manager’s contract ends, he leaves or is sacked.
Next time when keegan comes back under new owners the terms of his contract and promises, targets etc except for his salary should be broadcast to the fans by Keegan and the chairman on TV, that way everyone knows what the agreement is.
258 The Entertainers // Oct 1, 2008 at 9:18 AM
Not long back there were a few Newcastle supporters on here who were questioning the role of Terry Mac and couldnt care less he was leaving….. i use the word supporters in the loosest of sences.
I tell you why Terry Mac is priceless to Keegan and all the other managers hes worked under.
He knows his place.
There are no hidden agendas.
He is trustworthy
To Keegan or anyone in a position of authority a good deputy is priceless and thats why Terry Mac survived so many culls at the club and thats his worth. He may not be a tactical genius, but his qualities lie else where.
For these reasons i dont see Kinnear as assistant manager or even Keegan DoF.
One man.
One manager.
One goal.
259 Toon Chicken // Oct 1, 2008 at 9:26 AM
alreet BAG – how’s it going?
I think having Keegan back at the club in any role apart from manager would be a disaster waiting to happen.
It would totally undermine whoever the current manager was, because you can bet as soon as the team lost two on the bounce all these fans who seem to think KK is the only man for the hob would be calling for the new guy to be sacked and KK to take the reigns.
A totally clean break with no ties whatsoever to past regimes is the only way to go in my opinion.
What’s the point in having KK back for 2 or 3 seasons? We need stability and continuity and the only way we will get that is if we have a manger who will be there for 5 or 6 years minimum.
260 Ian // Oct 1, 2008 at 9:28 AM
Entertainers I think we often reply to wind up merchants!!
Vetere is definately the man identifying talent, the only problem with him I see is that he will be carrying the knowledge from another expensive and well sorted scouting system, he needs the same support at Newcastle to keep that information up to date.
261 Irish John // Oct 1, 2008 at 9:33 AM
just reading some off the comments and i cant beleive tom called Arsene a legend and can’t actualy realise that KK is a legend …
This club that gave us brillant memories that the majority off clubs in the prem would crave was only possible because off KK…
some people need to learn how show some respect…
262 Irish John // Oct 1, 2008 at 9:40 AM
and by respect, i dont mean you have to want him to come back cus fair enough if you dont agree he can do the job now……Just show some sort of appreciation for what he has achieved for us and stop slagging him off as if he’s a mackem…He does’nt deserve that..he gets enough bad press never mind actualy Newcastle suporters slagging him off aswell..
263 azza jones // Oct 1, 2008 at 9:41 AM
KEEGAN TO RETURN!!!
No one else will be given a proper chance. Even if we got Gus Hiddink we would have whigners on here crying that we lost a game and how he should be out and Alan Shearer to come in…..
Keegan is the best man for the job and the only man that will be given the time. I only wish he wasnt so tempramental but hey everyone has flaws lets just hope the new owners come in and we splash the cash and WIN THE LEAGUE!!!!
264 Born Again Geordie // Oct 1, 2008 at 9:45 AM
TC – alreet mate.
I am good thanks – you ?
I take your point and mostly agree, do you not think he could be good on the press / PR side of things an ambassador type role?
I do think there has been a more positive attitude on here since JK has come in and people are starting to look forward again.
Any predictions for the weekend ?
265 Who is Derek Llambias? // Oct 1, 2008 at 9:46 AM
put him in for the rest of the season, then get someone decent on a 3/4 year contract. sorted.
266 Toon Chicken // Oct 1, 2008 at 9:47 AM
Irish John – Keegan is a toon leg end, no doubt. But he shouldn’t even be mentioned in the same breath as Wenger in all honesty.
Couple of definitions of a leg end here n’all…
a. An unverified story handed down from earlier times, especially one popularly believed to be historical.
b. A romanticized or popularized myth of modern times.
267 Born Again Geordie // Oct 1, 2008 at 9:48 AM
Irish John,
i would never slag Keegan off – I have too many good memories from his first managerial spell.
I think though that it is time to move on
New owners
New manager
New board
NEW START !!!!
Ho’way the lads !!!
268 hitman // Oct 1, 2008 at 9:50 AM
keegans a legend as a player but not as a manager.
269 k k forever // Oct 1, 2008 at 9:51 AM
ALL YOU ANTI KEEGAN W4NKERS MAKE ME SICK .KEEGANS THE ONLY ONE WHO CARES FOR THE TOON AND I BET U HE,S AS GUTTED AS MOST OV US PROPER FANS AND THERES NOT THAT MANY ON HERE
270 Irish John // Oct 1, 2008 at 9:53 AM
I know he has’nt achieved what Wenger has but not many have…Got a ot off respect for Wenger, think he’s a class manager but he’s Arsenal’s manager and will go down as a legend for them..
Keegan is legend in a different way for US…We’re not Arsenal and he is a Legend for saving us a bringing us to the top and giving us those brillant memories…
But ya im open to the idea off other managers coming in aswell i just got massive amount off respect for Keegan..
271 Born Again Geordie // Oct 1, 2008 at 9:55 AM
kk forever
howay man – get ower yer’sel !!!!
We are not anti KK – but feel he has had his time. If he loved us so much why did he walk (again)knowing we would be left in the sh*te ????
One thing to remember we are all on the same side !!!!
272 AndyNUFC // Oct 1, 2008 at 9:55 AM
To be quite frank, I hate the people who are slagging Keegan and his supporters off. Tom Toon, you’d rather see Kadar play then sign a top class 30 year old? Maybe that’s why you aren’t manager then. Ashley did not buy the players Keegan wanted and now we are paying for it. Keegan did not walk out because he didn’t get his way, he was forced out after being lied to and completely undermined as MANAGER of the club. Look where we got we he had control, look where we got when Robson had control, says it all.
A director of football works at Chelsea, know why? Because they attract the London loving cash grabbers. None of the other teams in the ‘top four’ have them, and SAF and AW both back Keegan for walking.
It’s not about “He walks when it gets hard”, it’s, “why the hell should Keegan take the flack when he’s getting poor results from players who aren’t even his?”.
Keegan respresents our club, he knows it inside out and if you read an article or two from the players then you would know how much of an impact him leaving had. So Tom Toon and whoever else is knocking him, you can call me a sheep if you want, but if it means supporting a great manager then BAAAHHH me up.
273 ELFER // Oct 1, 2008 at 9:56 AM
If the new owners want to continue to try to copy the arsenal model, Mr. Houllier would be the perfect choice.
274 sweendog // Oct 1, 2008 at 9:56 AM
KK back .. in a second .. his record lately nevermind in his first stint is unquestionable by true newcastle supporters .. plus he knows the team well and the formation and players who can get results at old trafford .. its a big ask getting a manager from outside the premier league to fight off relegation but KK can do it ..
Bring back the Messiah .. let him buy the right players and see our faith justified .. plus make sure there is no interference by a DOF, a DOF should just ok funds for transfers and make sure the clubs run properly .. not this ridiculous poison dwarf scenario..
275 Toon Chicken // Oct 1, 2008 at 9:56 AM
BAG – aye am good mate thanks.
Like I said, I honestly reckon that even if KK is just there to slice up the halftime oranges it will seriously undermine the incumbent manager. I’m not even sure if he’s the great as a PR man anyway – I don’t always think that ‘heart on the sleeve’ approach is the right one. Like his rant last season about never being able to break the dominance of the Top 4 – yeah ok, I think most of us realistic fans were thinking that, but its one thing to think and another to have your manager come out on national tv and tell the world we’re just not good enough. I thought that was bad pr personally and not good for morale of players or fans.
Predictions for the weekend? Head says 2-1 Everton, Heart says 2-1 Toon. So I’ll meet them half way and go for 2-2 draw.
Ho’way the lads!
276 Born Again Geordie // Oct 1, 2008 at 9:58 AM
Irish John,
I agree great memories.
what do you think of Sven for the toon ?
277 Born Again Geordie // Oct 1, 2008 at 10:00 AM
TC – lol Fair point !!!!
do they still have half time oranges ?
I am going for 2 – 1 to the toon – everton have lost all 3 at home so far. Thats even worse than us lmfao
278 k k forever // Oct 1, 2008 at 10:01 AM
BORN AGAIN U WUDNT THINK WERE ON THE SAME SIDE THE WAY SUM PEOPLE SLAG HIM OR THEY JUST NOT OLD ENOUGH TO REMEMBER WE DEFO WUD HAVE DUN A LEEDS IF HE HADNT OV SAVED US ALL THEM YEARS AGO.AND WE FINISH SECOND TO PROBABLY THE BEST MAN U SIDE EVER
279 Whumpie // Oct 1, 2008 at 10:02 AM
Cheerist, it’s embarrassing being Toon sometimes. Go get a cuppa, it’s RANT TIME…
Two weeks ago Newcastle was awash with ‘Bring Back Kev’ banners, and half of the people on here voting ‘No’ were in agreement. Only the Toon Army could be so publicly and ridiculously fickle.
I am sick of reading posts from people who so lack any integrity themselves that they can’t recognise the difference between someone quitting and someone doing the right thing. Yes, he’s got history there, but he left Newcastle for good reason before and even better reason this time. England? Yep, that was dodgy; fair enough. That’s it, in 20 odd years.
If you still think he just gave up when it got tough, just who would you like to argue against? Wernger? Ferguson? Shearer? Sir Bobby? The only people in the profession who are not backing KK are has-beens with an axe to grind and publicity to seek.
KK is a lone island of integrity in an industry of amoral crooks. Shame so few people in this yob’s sport know what integrity looks like.
So, with that rant out of the way, here’s a switch in the argument: I think the real question is: can someone like that cut it any more? Personally, I’d like to find out, but I admit it could end in tears.
280 Karltoon // Oct 1, 2008 at 10:03 AM
4-1.. Guthrie (2), Owen (1), N’zogbia (1)
Mind i’ve been making crazy predictions like this all season.. I’d love it if one came in.. Love it
281 hitman // Oct 1, 2008 at 10:03 AM
when we get a new owner that is going to spend big on the first team,we need a top manager that can attract top players to the club,can keegan attract these type of players,i dont know,the bloke had been out the game for a long time.
im one of keegans biggest fans,but i think its time to move on for the sake of our club.
282 Toon Graeme // Oct 1, 2008 at 10:03 AM
If, and thats a big if, Keegan comes back this walking away thing has to be written into his contract.
If reports are true from who Keegan was after (Henry) that that doesnt show any future thought into the longevity of the club.
We need to identify young up and coming talent and bring them up through the ranks.
We need players who can make themselves big names. The odd one or two wouldnt hurt (big names that is) as all new young players need someone to look upto.
Im not sure if what I am saying put my point accross – but KK back – not sure
283 Irish John // Oct 1, 2008 at 10:07 AM
Born Again Geordie – Sven would be quality…Wasa harshley threated at citeh last year even though they played some cracking football….
My choice ( if not KK) would be Van Gaal…He would be quality and plays really exciting football..
284 Born Again Geordie // Oct 1, 2008 at 10:08 AM
Karltoon
LOL
fingers crossed
285 Karltoon // Oct 1, 2008 at 10:10 AM
BAG – I had a bet on opening day 2 – 0 to the toon, Martins to score first… I’ll smash fletchers face in if i ever see him..
286 Born Again Geordie // Oct 1, 2008 at 10:16 AM
Karltoon – think someone has beaten you to it !!! lol
Irish John – good call I would be happy with that too!
287 sweendog // Oct 1, 2008 at 10:17 AM
Whumpie, ANDYNUFC .. well said .. if the new owners would give keegan a chance we know he’ll do good by us .. he wouldn’t leave us in the lurch like before if he isn’t doing well .. thats not his style .. the man has integrity, he left because he was forced and the same owners are trying to steal money from the club .. MA and his cronnies have alot to answer for.
Bring KK back and finally give him a chance
288 sweendog // Oct 1, 2008 at 10:19 AM
Irish toon .. Sven would be good .. but in a relegation scenario, not too sure, in fact I’d be worried .. now if we were secure and he was given funds then yes .. but not in our current situation .. its managers like keegan who can work wonders in this situation .. remember last year etc..
289 Winston P // Oct 1, 2008 at 10:25 AM
No thanks.
Whenever the going’s got tough, Keegan’s walked out on every job he’s ever had – from NUFC to Fulham even England!
Where was his love for the fans when he dropped us into this relegation battle to save his own ego?
Add to this that he has never won a trophy in his entire managerial career;
He is NOT the MESSIAH!
But then apparently you’re not allowed to say that.
Do I want him back? Resoundingly NO
Will he return? probably yes.
290 murvar // Oct 1, 2008 at 10:25 AM
Motivation, inspiration, passion, self-belief. Instil them and the rest will follow assuming you also have players with natural ability and a system in place to get the best out of them. That’s all we want. And I believe that the person who can do that whilst being in tune emotionally with the city and its people is Kevin Keegan. All managers need good coaches alongside but the figurehead has to be someone we can relate to. Not a Sven (cold fish despite his tactical acumen) nor Terim (despite his ability to start an argument in an empty room). The only manager I would want here above Keegan is Wenger and that’s not going to happen.
291 Winston P // Oct 1, 2008 at 10:26 AM
If Keegan returns, the circus continues!
292 Micky Toon // Oct 1, 2008 at 10:27 AM
If KK is to come back then it will have to be as manager and nothing else. No one would want to work alongside him because if they upset him he would either throw a hissy fit or they would feel the supporters would turn against them.
All of the people showing KK so much love, just think about it for a second. He saw we were in the crapper and didn’t like what was going on so he walk and left all of us to deal with it. He didn’t want to stick around and watch the club go down the toilet, but we have no choice. We were left without a leader. A man who claims he always wants the best for the club and for the fans shouldn’t just leave his followers in the lurch.
I agree, if he were to come back he probably would give the club and the area a short term lift, but it would not last.
People have said we are looking like amateurs, well until we have a top modern coach at the helm we will always have that tag.
Perhaps some people like that idea. The whole local club for local people mentality that will see us falling further behind the likes of Everton, Villa, etc..
293 murvar // Oct 1, 2008 at 10:30 AM
Winston – pure rubbish. He left Fulham for England for goodness’ sake! Who would stand in his way? He left city when he and the Chairman agreed it was better to go early than just see his contract out – it was closer to a sacking than a quitting. He left us 3 times – once when John Hall failed to honour his promises – and Hall was wise enough to back down, as MA should have done – and then when he was losing control in the PLC fiasco. He left this time because lesser people than him, people with no integrity, didn’t fulfil their promoises. He is a man of principle – a rare thing in this cynical world. And rather than take a pay-off from England by waiting to be scked, he admitted the job was beyond him and resigned. Call that quitting if you like – but I wish Souness and many others had followed his honourable lead. So please stop this quitting talk – the evidence doesn’t support it. It supports others not living up to the man’s standards.
294 Temuri K's Shiny Bonce // Oct 1, 2008 at 10:30 AM
Let me just say I haven’t got anything against KK the man produced the greatest footballing side ever up here and he saved us from relegation from last season no doubt. I’m not arguing against SAF, SBR, AW or Harry Redknapp because the way he was treated bu Fat Ash, the dwarf and Lambsarse was disgusting.
BUT it worries me that if Keegan came back and it didn’t work out for whatever reason we’ll be in the same situation all over again PLUS it makes us an easy target for the media who will have the opportunity to write unsettling rumours whenever it suits them. That my friends is not a stable environment to build this club back up again. It’s for those reasons I think a clean break is what’s best much as it pains me to say
295 sweendog // Oct 1, 2008 at 10:32 AM
Winston P .. its not that you aren’t allowed to say it .. just you have to back up anti KK thoughts with facts.. if you look at the facts you release tarnishing him as a quitter is wrong (IMO), but everyone has their own opinion .. but heres some facts.
Fulham – left to become england manager
England – he left because the fans wanted him out
Newcastle – forced out, as poision dwarf was manager and Director of football.
296 sweendog // Oct 1, 2008 at 10:33 AM
murvar .. you beat me to it..
297 Will // Oct 1, 2008 at 10:34 AM
Yes.
1. Keegan is a man manager and uses this to get players in.
2. Why wud anyone want to be in a job which has had it’s description changed regarding the reason yu agreed to come back?
Keegan cudn’t buy the players but wud be judged on their success, that’s stupid and anyone wh says it isn’t, is also stupid.
298 Born Again Geordie // Oct 1, 2008 at 10:35 AM
Temuri K – very well said mate
Stability – No.1 priority
I have emence respect for KK but would not want him back as manager
299 murvar // Oct 1, 2008 at 10:36 AM
Micket toon – stop blaming the victim. KK didn’t put us into crisis – AShley did and the was stupid enough not to realise what he had to do and do it, as Hall did all those years ago. This mentatlity of “He let us down” belongs in the playground. It’s not a serious appraisal of a complex situation. Have any of you been in a top of the office conflict in a major organisation? When it becomes intolerable something has to give. Ut’s perfectly possible to argue that in going KK gave the club the chance to sort itself out but this bunch of charlatans can’t even do that. I weep every time I come on here and see Joe K’s face under some line which says “Our Manager”. I hope he has a positive impact of course but – puhleese – how are we to be taken seriously with him here?
300 Obafan // Oct 1, 2008 at 10:40 AM
If he came back, I would not be dissapointed at all, but let me be honnest that if I had to chose between KK or a continental manager (Terim; Van Gaal; …) I would defo go for the continental manager.
I don’t think it is fair to call KK a quitter; I would have done the same if I know that the board is doing everything behind my back and if they not support me.
301 Estranged // Oct 1, 2008 at 10:41 AM
Agreed Murvar…. first sensible thing i’ve heard for some time.
302 bowburnmag // Oct 1, 2008 at 10:42 AM
Dearie me Ed! Can, worms, everywhere….
KK is a legend. I wish he’d never got involved again. I think it’s tarnished his reputation in the eyes of quite a few fans regradless of what happens if/when the truth comes out. I know there is logic in what the antagonists say but I question the validity of this particular argument where you’re trusting your head over your heart. There are times to use your head and times to use your heart. Using your heart when deciding who is right about the whole debacle we were faced with when KK left, just always seemed the natural instinct for me. If there were any alternative I’m happy to believe for now that KK would have taken it. Why trust some you don’t know and distrust someone you do know? I appreciate that conversely people see KK as having form for jumping ship but it’s pretty groundless given the circumstances. Anyway, this argument has been done to death but for me, yes, KK could still do a job but whether it’s the best move for everyone is questionable.
303 Disheartened // Oct 1, 2008 at 10:43 AM
@ 291 – “If Keegan returns, the circus continues!”
Well said! This summarizes all in a nutshell!
304 murvar // Oct 1, 2008 at 10:45 AM
Fair enough Obafan – who knows who will do best as manager? And so much is out of their hands – injuries, luck, stupid boards and chairmen etc. You may be right. You may be wrong. Burt succeeding abroad is not like succeeding here – look at Ramos. Jol. The Swiss bloke at Spurs. The French? bloke at Rangers. A foreign accent no more guarantees success than a British pedigree. And before you say it, you and I could have done it at Chelsea or Liverpool!!
305 Stamford Toon // Oct 1, 2008 at 10:46 AM
No I don’t want him back. We need to move on and stop hankering after what has been, and look to the future. KK has had his day and has been a part of too much trouble at the club this time.
306 sweendog // Oct 1, 2008 at 10:46 AM
Murvar good to see people can remember what he has done for us and football .. and agreed the big problem we have here is caused by one person .. MA and his handling/managing of the club … all the other problems, KK leaving etc were a side effect … why did he have to get his mates to work alongside him and undermine the manager, sell players etc .. MA’s handling of us beggars belief, and the shiester wants to make at least 50 mill from us ..
I’m a firm believer in what goes around comes around .. I wonder what fate awaits MA .. it’ll not be pretty..
307 Winston P // Oct 1, 2008 at 10:49 AM
My mistake, it was Man City not Fulham he quit and you can’t deny him walking out on England and NUFC (you may argue his case for the second time but if he really wanted the best for the club, he’d have stuck around!)
I have good memories of Keegan’s first stint but that’s all in the past, I don’t believe he’s a good thing for the club LONG TERM and that’s hugely important if we’re genuine about progressing.
He scrapped the youth team when he was here the first time and his reported transfer targets (Beckham and Henry etc) were short-sighted to say the least.
That’s just my opinion but I’ll get behind any manager that takes the job – even Kinnear!
308 Disheartened // Oct 1, 2008 at 10:50 AM
@304
At least the fans will be more lenient towards a foreign mangar. No British manager, except Keegan, seem good enough to manage the club according to most fans – too much animosity towards fellow Brits in this country.
309 lialua777 // Oct 1, 2008 at 10:51 AM
YES! bring kk back.
give him 5 years time and give him 20 mil – 25 mil + sales in january and he’ll bring us up the table.
a further 30 mil in the next transfer window and we’ll have a uefa cup team.
come on kk
310 Sav // Oct 1, 2008 at 10:52 AM
Keegan definitely. Sure, Hiddink etc would be good, too. But are we likely to get them at this time of the season? I hope KK still wants to finish the job.
A point overlooked is its obvious the players want him.
WinstonP read Whumpie 279 for the difference between jumping ship and doing what’s right. – You would rather Keegan said nowt, bank his wages until Xmas while we go down the tubes taking the flak for Milner’s sale and no replacement and have the club effectively run by Dennis f……g Wise?
Now NUFC should do what’s right.
311 murvar // Oct 1, 2008 at 10:55 AM
Stamford – blaminmg the victim again. It’s the x-factor generation, just interested in the next 5 minute wonder. KK offers the best chance of rapid progress, belive me. And I also believe he would set up the succession – Shearer – and that he would resign when he felt he couldn’t take the clyb further BECAUSE HE LOVES THE CLUB AS MUCH AS WE DO! You cannot say that of anyone else who is in the frame apart from Big Al. How I wish, though, that Bobby Robson had come here when KK left the first time round. But he too was a man of principle and wouldn’t leave Barca! Barca!
312 sweendog // Oct 1, 2008 at 10:55 AM
Winston P .. do you not think its worth letting him finish what he started here before he was undermined as manager .. but put in place a structure that if a manager has to leave (for whatever reason) that this impact is minimal.
313 Ian // Oct 1, 2008 at 10:55 AM
Kevin Keegan has to be the easiest manager to employ if you own a club.
All you have to do is lay down the targets and what will happen at each stage, agree money that you can afford no false promises and get everything down in black and white dead simple, Keegan has always shown he is honest and principled, if he failed to meet a target as agreed he would put his hand up long before anyone pointed a finger at him.
I cannot think of one manager who took a team from the second division and put them top of the first (now premiership) can anyone else??
Has Keegan not got a record for this management performance??
I cant believe that anyone thinks there is a better manager available.
Some people seem to think the fact that his name rather than his skill and ability is what we want.
314 Reading Mag // Oct 1, 2008 at 10:58 AM
Youre all mad !! Keegan has done this for US.
Long term plan…perhaps not get him back short term and fix things get stability back.
Oh we have tried
World class managers, sexy football, bullies managers, nice managers, Scottish managers and jonny forgierner……THEY DID NOT WORK
315 sweendog // Oct 1, 2008 at 10:58 AM
Disheartened .. not true .. if a manager had a good pedigree he would get good results and the fans woulnd’t be on their backs .. every manager post KK (bar Bobby robson) have been catastrophically bad .. whether its tactically inept, sold good players .. bought poor players or played terrible football …. one thing you can guarantee with a manager like keegan is you get to watch good football .. which in my view is the most important part.
316 Sav // Oct 1, 2008 at 11:00 AM
Those who trot out about hissy-fits and accuse Keegan of being a bottler may not remember that he won European Footballer of the year twice. As a player without the natural gifts of Cruyf, Brady or Platini but who made himself what e was through application and hard work he deserves better than to have such nonesense levelled at him by those who wouldn’t know a point of principle if it jabbed them in the arse.
317 Whumpie // Oct 1, 2008 at 11:00 AM
The circus is the product of the ringmaster – stop blaming the guy who trains the clowns!
The scale of mess that we have now can only be caused by one person – the owner of the club.
Bottom line: did KK do well when he was given a clear run at things?
Stopped the slide and got us up almost two whole leagues in two seasons, missing out on a title by a scratch to one of the best teams in history.
Yep. He’s a bit good for us. He’s got his flaws, but give him a proper go, for chrissakes.
(But do write quit clauses into his contract…)
318 bowburnmag // Oct 1, 2008 at 11:02 AM
Ian’s dead right mind! I think a lot of those opposed to Keegan’s return are scornful of those who think he can still do a good job because they think it’s blind sentiment. I really think the bloke is class and could listen to him waffle about footy all day just as I could with Sir Bob. But sentiment is not what makes me believe he can do a good job. It’s facts and logic. His proven history of helping to build clubs up and make them believe in themselves. It’d be nice if he could sway the detractors mind as well but other than that, as much as I disagree with his treatman, I’m looking out for the club more than KK if I’m honest.
319 Bob1 // Oct 1, 2008 at 11:02 AM
Wish I could just quit my job when people with no integrity dont fulfil promises……………
Id be swapping jobs every week!
320 sweendog // Oct 1, 2008 at 11:06 AM
bowburnmag .. exactly .. there is always a part that likes KK etc .. but the plain fact is .. when hes allowed to work at newcastle he gets results and get the players to play excellent football ..
if it was about supporting him or Newcastle .. Newcastle wins .. but if its supporting somebody who can make Newcastle great again .. then I support Keegan and Newcastle.
321 bowburnmag // Oct 1, 2008 at 11:06 AM
* treatment – not “treatman”. Don’t ask me what I was thinking because I don’t know. Refreshing to see lots of reasoned arguments on the side of KK rather than lads just shouting for the sake of it as well mind. In my opinion, it’s difficult to argue with the likes of what these lads are saying. Difficult but not impossible as we can see from the opposition though.
322 sweendog // Oct 1, 2008 at 11:08 AM
Bob1 .. would you quit if your line manager .. consistently undermined you??
323 Dan13 // Oct 1, 2008 at 11:12 AM
Yeh
324 Dan13 // Oct 1, 2008 at 11:12 AM
Keegan won’t come back and tbh don’t want him coz a can’t trust him
325 James!!! // Oct 1, 2008 at 11:13 AM
ad probs jus get into him
326 James!!! // Oct 1, 2008 at 11:13 AM
a dont agree with dan13, i like keegan and think that he will not do another bad job with the team that he really loves
327 bowburnmag // Oct 1, 2008 at 11:14 AM
Bob1 – I know what you’re saying and it’s difficult to give a conclusive argument as it’s all based on conjecture so we don’t know exactly what that intergrity was formed against. We’re probably not just talking about blind tighter deadlines, less budgets or skewed bonus plans here though are we? Let’s let’s just say for further conjecture you were undermined, disrespected, working in a position which had been mis-sold and where you thought you couldn’t do your best but that you’d be pilloried and judged on the results anyway. What would you do? I really think it’s a little of all of that and despite soldiering for a while (for the sake of the club as much as his rep) KK has just said enough is enough. If turns out he makes a mug of me and others then all that sentiment can be flushed down the bog. Until then I’m in his corner.
328 sweendog // Oct 1, 2008 at 11:17 AM
James!!! .. supposedly thats what Keegan done on Llambais .. although its not been confirmed ..
I’d like it to be true though..
I also heard he knee’d wise in the face as he was too small to punch .. but this could’ve just been wishful thinking..
329 Dan13 // Oct 1, 2008 at 11:19 AM
I wouldn’t get into him
330 James!!! // Oct 1, 2008 at 11:20 AM
ayee well llambias is a creep that wants to be briotore with them glasses, hes a creep he needs sacked becoz he needs to be helped becoz of his mental helps needs
331 James!!! // Oct 1, 2008 at 11:21 AM
keegans got a cameltoe
332 sweendog // Oct 1, 2008 at 11:22 AM
Dan13 .. at the end of the day I’m more highlighting that he was undermined in a major way , than anything else.
333 Dan13 // Oct 1, 2008 at 11:22 AM
same
334 James!!! // Oct 1, 2008 at 11:23 AM
no not at the end of the day son
335 sweendog // Oct 1, 2008 at 11:24 AM
James!!! .. never heard that about keegan .. heard MA was a fat B. though
336 Dan13 // Oct 1, 2008 at 11:25 AM
aye right pet
337 James!!! // Oct 1, 2008 at 11:26 AM
you can see it on youtube wen hes havin a meeting with ashley
338 sweendog // Oct 1, 2008 at 11:29 AM
James!!! .. so you think ashley had a few jars .. saw keegans camel toe, thought about his perm. then made a move on Keegan .. thats why Keegan left .. he smacked MA for sexual harassment??
339 Jesus Rocks // Oct 1, 2008 at 11:29 AM
Keegan To die, Dan and James Creeps!
340 Dan13 // Oct 1, 2008 at 11:30 AM
Yeah
341 James!!! // Oct 1, 2008 at 11:30 AM
no your getting it wrong son all i have sed is that i would probs get into keegan and that he has a cameltoe so i dont know where u are getting this information from
342 Geordie Jayne // Oct 1, 2008 at 11:35 AM
Keegan – Quotes from his “My Autobiography”.
I was my own boss, no one argued with me, no one tried to interfere in the team selection or anything like that – not until the day I left. That’s why it lasted so long as it did”. (THE FIRST TIME ROUND)
“By the time christmas arrived, although the Newcastle ship was sailing along nicely, the Kevin Keegan boat was holed and was beginning to take in water.
We – and I readily acknowledge my part in it all – had created a monster which needed feeding. I could feel the control sliping away. I would find myself constantly trying to track down the directors. They never seemed to be around to discuss what I believed to be crucial football matters.
“On top of everything else I was being asked to sell players to raise £6 million to repay the bank money we had borrowed to buy Shearer. The funds had to be in by Christmas, it did not help me that the fact was being kept quiet.”
“The only offers I had on the table were for two of the younger stars, I knew selling them was wrong, as I had a small squad compared to others, but I had to go ahead. Those deals raised two million pounds.”
When I talked to Freddie Fletcher privately after the Blackburn game, I did so with a heavy heart. For the first time he admitted that he had is own doubts about whether I could take Newcastle on to the next stage. He convened a meeting with Freddie Fletcher, Douglas Hall amd Mark Corbridge, and eventually I was called in to express my opinions”.
“We decided that I would stay until the end of the season and then leave. The board could have started to talk to Kenny Dalglish or Bobby Robson and probably would have avoided the circus that followed.”
“Word came to me that the story had been leaked, that the story of me wanting to quit and leaving at the end of the season had been leaked, not by me. I was livid.”
Does any of this sound familiar. Like Mike Ashley and Co.
343 James!!! // Oct 1, 2008 at 11:36 AM
ur a creep u biblybasher
344 Dan13 // Oct 1, 2008 at 11:36 AM
Jesus your a creep
345 Jesus Rocks // Oct 1, 2008 at 11:37 AM
James i see you in ms02 jackass!
i SMELL ur mums nickers ion londis
346 Lee Cee M-I-C // Oct 1, 2008 at 11:39 AM
James Alder, Dan Dixon, You Guys Make Me Giggle, Why not come round for sunday roast with peas pudding, also i will have spinach and parsnip prepared with cloudy coliflower, i look forward, p.s i hate ashley, he aint invited, fat git, also no keegan return, there is too much expected of him and he can’t hack the pressure, frank riijkard is a possibilty, also bobby robson, since he’s only got a year, if that left.
347 James!!! // Oct 1, 2008 at 11:42 AM
geordie jayne wants yah number pet-
348 Bob1 // Oct 1, 2008 at 11:43 AM
To be fair if I could I probably would but id still be very concerned about letting people down. We don’t know what has gone on behind the scenes so as you say most of this is based on conjecture
Don’t get me wrong, I love the way Keegan is enthusiastic and inspires players. I just believe his temperament is like a double edged sword. You wouldn’t have the inspiration without the rashness. If he came back I would always feel some instability about him walking out again but then time heals and a few good performances under him would push that aside! :0)
349 James!!! // Oct 1, 2008 at 11:44 AM
gerraway bob1 no-one cares about wt u think
350 Dan13 // Oct 1, 2008 at 11:47 AM
I happen to find Bob’s comments very interesting, he seems a real genuine chap.
351 James!!! // Oct 1, 2008 at 11:49 AM
egg
352 James!!! // Oct 1, 2008 at 11:51 AM
probably but still no-one cares wif a name like bob hes got to be fake
353 James!!! // Oct 1, 2008 at 11:52 AM
what you all wingin about anyway keegans a freak
354 Obafan // Oct 1, 2008 at 11:58 AM
murvar
You’re absolutely spot on. I know every manager has got his own style and we have to wait and see to know who the manager will be (1st who the new boss(es) will be) and then whoever it is the fans have to give him a chance, whether it is KK or any other manager.
355 sweendog // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:09 PM
Geordie Jayne .. good quote .. its obvious to open minded supporters that keegan was undermined .. he left us both times for legitimate reasons .. and if we could get him back I hope its done ASAP, best manager for newcastle, alongside Bobby robson, in my lifetime.
356 Ian // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:28 PM
Geordie jayne agree with sween dog good quote.
There is no doubt in my mind that Kevin Keegan is the man to take a below average club like ours as high as the owners can afford.
All the new owners have to do is read history and put systems in place as well as professional businessman with superb man management and diplomacy skills in place to implement and control this stressful business without it going wrong again.
357 Spidey // Oct 1, 2008 at 12:52 PM
For whatever reason Keegan left, whether people think he bottled it or stood by his principles, he still left. For whatever reason, it didn’t work. Put it down to the gods or fate, but his third coming failed. Saying that you don’t want him back is not about being anti-Keegan, I’m sure most people in football like the guy as a person. It’s just about being practical, we are setting ourselves up for another fall to reinstall him. If we get him back, he will HAVE to have success, because if he doesn’t, he will get sacked and the whole circus will begin again. And there is no guarantee he will succeed. He has become too much of a risk. The majority of fans are crying out for stability, and given his track record, he is one of the most unstable bets in football.
358 Del'boy Trotter // Oct 1, 2008 at 1:15 PM
I’m with the calls for a certain MR SHEARER to step up to the helm…
He states how much he loves this club, yet he’s still happy to sit on a bbc sofa every saturday night. He needs to get his priorties straight, the only reason he wont take the job now is because he wants to keep his Toon Hero status. Wheres ya bottle Al…come save us
359 Mats // Oct 1, 2008 at 1:23 PM
Agree with spidey… Why would you want him back after he left the club in turmoil?
360 Ian // Oct 1, 2008 at 1:25 PM
Spidey you make it sound as if he was here two minutes the first time, it was years!!
It is clear Ashley and co arent good managers of people, their record speaks for itself, you are only commenting on one keegan action, leaving here this Summer, as if there was no reason for it.
361 Alan Curley // Oct 1, 2008 at 2:57 PM
One word – NO!
362 AndyNUFC // Oct 1, 2008 at 3:20 PM
Would you rather have Henry for 2 seasons or the phenom that is Xisco for 10? I know who I’d chose, Henry easily. Keegan had brilliant players in mind.
How Ashley backed Allardyce for £6million for Smith but wouldn’t buy any decent players for Keegan is beyond me.
363 Spidey // Oct 1, 2008 at 3:38 PM
Ian, I realise he was at Newcastle for years, and they were our finest years, no question. But this was a long long time ago and he has never held a position for that long since. And I realise the reasons why he left, perhaps he was in the right. All I am saying is that regardless of why he walked out (and this includes all the other jobs he has left) he has a strong track record for it. To reinstall him, is practically speaking, a very very unstable move. It is too risky. And we desperately more than anything, need stability and time to build. With these recent events, players, fans and media will whether they like him or not, just be waiting for him to walk. It will never settle and players will never settle.
And that aside, I no longer think he is good enough. 3 years out of the game is too long. And people seem to think it was like the old days when he came back. Far from it, we did ok, but nothing spectacular. Remember, we got battered 9 times in a row when he first came. And our last game with him we got murdered off Arsenal with practically a full strength squad.
He has done wonders for the club, and regardless of the trophies won, I consider his time at Newcastle a great success and something to be remembered in our history. But it is over. Any defence of his reign seems purely nostalgic and if we are not careful, we will end up sounding like Liverpool fans.
364 ChrisL // Oct 1, 2008 at 4:30 PM
Keegan didn’t walk out on the club last time. He wanted to see out his contract that would expire in the summer. But Shepherd wanted to make the club a PLC & couldn’t do that with question marks over who would be the next manager after Keegan. So for the good of the club they agreed to part ways.
That is not Keegan walking.
365 Lawman // Oct 1, 2008 at 4:45 PM
When does Martin O’Neil’s contract end with Villa????
I’d get him if possible. Did wonders with Leicester, then Celtic and now look at Villa. Also notice how all his players run to him when they score….. he has total respect from all his players no matter where he manages. A great motivator and morale booster!
366 Ian // Oct 1, 2008 at 4:54 PM
Lawman, that is the manager I would target after Keegan’s next stint, if Keegan didnt want to do another term I would try and tie that one up, Keegan would be decent enough to work another year if it helped the club get a good following manager, the other I would consider is McCoist.
367 sweendog // Oct 1, 2008 at 5:01 PM
Lawman .. MON is a good manager .. not too sure he’ll have us playing pretty football though .. he’s into his long ball physical tactics .. wins matches but not supporters .. I’ll have Keegan over him anyday .. mind you he’s the best manager outside of Wenger and Ferguson IMO.
368 sweendog // Oct 1, 2008 at 5:02 PM
Ian .. mc coist .. you must be joking .. you must be a rangers man
369 Lawman // Oct 1, 2008 at 5:52 PM
That’s the thing Sweendog, we need to steady the ship right now by winning games no matter how unpretty it looks. I’d rather that than lose and get relegated by playing attractive football.
We need to get back into Europe, initially UEFA cup but ultimately Champions league. Then and only then can we attract the better players and start playing more attractive football. Once we get to that stage, then it may be time to think of a replacement for O’Neil unless he changes his style of play in accordance to the level of success we have at the time.
But your right, he’s definitely the best manager outside of Wenger and Fergie in the EPL.
370 Lawman // Oct 1, 2008 at 5:53 PM
McCoist is a good no.2
371 My Ass Ley // Oct 1, 2008 at 6:10 PM
well if he dont quit and with the amount of injuries, he may not able to pick up enough point in the leaque and then who the fans will blame. of cos the manager! he not that stupid too. he need the right tools to do his work. he was deprived of them and so he has every right to quit. the owner has to take full responsibility of the team, like a captain of a ship.
People who say he’s a quitter are the one i assumed going to call for his head when the team are in a slump. disgrace like that. they can only make stupid comments.
372 Ian // Oct 1, 2008 at 6:59 PM
Let us hope we get a new buyer and they are very straight with Keegan and then we can see where we go from there, it is unlikely that we will get somone throwing fortunes at the club, but a stable club aiming for the top half of the table for now with keegan would do me fine.
I think Keegan would want to stay with the right sort of owner, he may move up in to the board later in life and choose a new relatively unknown but good manager to replace him.
One thing is for certain, Keegans choices of personnel are rarely poor.
373 Cooper // Oct 2, 2008 at 5:04 PM
Keegan is by FAR the best man for the job
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