LMA chief Richard Bevan, who helped Kevin Keegan during his unsuccessful negotiations with Newcastle recently, has said the X-rated rant of Newcastle United manager Joe Kinnear last Thursday, is unacceptable.
Joe Kinnear - X-rated outburst unacceptable
Kinnear swore 53 times during a taped press conference last Thursday as he attacked one or two of the journalists present, and in particular Simon Bird of the Daily Mirror.
Of course the outburst is now all over the internet, leaving Kinnear facing a charge of bringing the game into disrepute.
The LMA chief Richard Bevan said yesterday:
“Whether it’s a manager, owner or even supporter, such heavy use of language is unacceptable when in a public arena.”
The Daily Mail is reporting today that a precedent was set earlier this year, when the Sheffield Wednesday chairman, Dave Allen, was found guilty after swearing at a press conference.
Kinnear has even refused to apologize for the incident, and we’ll have to wait for the verdict on this, but we expect it to be a fine, with no more suspensions, hopefully.
Comments welcome.
60 responses so far ↓
1 Tom_Toon // Oct 6, 2008 at 11:59 AM
Our country and associations are run by a bunch of PC tw@ts!
Bevan is a tool.
2 Tom_Toon // Oct 6, 2008 at 12:04 PM
It was meant to be off the record and didnot need to be publicised so hey shouldn’t fine or ban him.
3 lesh // Oct 6, 2008 at 12:11 PM
Fair enough, it was abit a beit OTT
4 Luke // Oct 6, 2008 at 12:15 PM
I read the transcript on the Guardian. My first thoughts were that it was a spoof. Not so! Glad we’ve got a pro in Joe.
5 Ian // Oct 6, 2008 at 12:15 PM
What a country this is, a paper can write anything they like even though it is fabricated, this is recorded on the same tape, he says something like everything you have written is lies why? A journalist answers you (the club) dont tell us anything so we have to write something, which is as good as admitting it is rubbish and lies but that is ok. Yet swearing isnt ok!!
Ok there is a body who overlooks what happens in the premiership, where is the equivalent professional body overlooking the press??
One should not get in to trouble without the other.
6 Whumpie // Oct 6, 2008 at 12:16 PM
It was a press conference. The whole point of a press conference is that it is taped and very much ON the record. He and that idiot press officer know that.
He lost it and came over as an out-of-control ignoramus. Fortunately, that’s less obvious when you read it than when you hear it, but it’s still asking for trouble.
Yep, I like someone having a go at giving the press some stick – but you do it with wit, intelligence and control, not by sounding like a drunk teenager.
The FA are going to throw the book at him, which won’t help the club one bit.
Some have said it was a deliberate ploy to get focus off the players. Nah. He’s just rusty and lost it – hearing the tape makes that pretty clear.
7 Spitfire // Oct 6, 2008 at 12:20 PM
The LMA should be backing its managers not siding with snide lying journalists. Its OK to lie but its not OK to swear. The LMA should support Joe in an action against those members of the national press who have written lies its as simple as that. Oh hang on is Bevan based in the south?
8 sirjasontoon // Oct 6, 2008 at 12:22 PM
I think Joe deserves a Pat on the back and for a change last week we had no nonsense written about the club in the press.
Joe calls a spade a spade and I like his no nonsense approach, more of the same please Joe cos I love swearing ya F”@£%&() : )
9 Whumpie // Oct 6, 2008 at 12:28 PM
I should qualify my previous comment: I think the FA and LMA are a load of ignorant, amoral, spineless, corrupt thugs in suits. (The same as just about everyone else who works in professional footie these days, then.)
But the problem isn’t that they object to tirades like JFK’s, which I think they should – it’s that they don’t object to the other stuff like cheating, lying, buying titles, etc.
(I also have to confess to a bit of jealousy: how great must it feel to have stood up in front of the country’s sports press and called them “f-ing slimey c’s”?)
10 tyneside tommo // Oct 6, 2008 at 12:29 PM
I’m with Whumpie on this one. I said on the blog last week JFK was so out of order. All he had to do was give the rogue hacks an ear bashing individually but in private.
But watching yesterday’s game and his stupid antic in the tunnel I get the distinct impression that JFK is hell bent on making himself noticed to all and sundry.
I’m really not convinced he can see beyond his nose although I do acknowledge he must have had some influence over that wonderful second half fight back.
11 Whumpie // Oct 6, 2008 at 12:29 PM
sirjasontoon’s got a point. There has been a drop in the BS level out there. Except for Tribalfootball, of course, where it remains 100%.
12 Spitfire // Oct 6, 2008 at 12:33 PM
I feel the tide is changing ever so slightly. Did you see match of the day where the commentator said about Joe in the tunnel something like ” give the man a break…..” that wouldn’t have happened before last weeks broadside
13 irish_al // Oct 6, 2008 at 12:43 PM
i read the transcript then listened to it later when i got home
i noticed they hadn’t taken it word for word, reading it does did not give me the impression the it was a two way arguement
14 Wallsend Will // Oct 6, 2008 at 12:45 PM
Can any body else see what’s going on. Joe Kinnear at last Thursdays Press Conference, called presumably to talk about team matters, took the opportunity to have a go a some of the hacks who had ridiculed him for turning up on Monday when the players had a day off. Quite rightly he was upset and wanted to let them know in very plain language what he thought of them and that if they didn’t stop he would ban them from the football ground. However here we are on the following Monday with these same hacks reporting his unacceptable behaviour, reporting the views of the LMA and suggesting that the FA should charge him with bringing the game into disrepute. No mention of the football played yesterday! It must have sickened these hacks, that at the actual game against Everton we not only came back from two down to draw, but we played really really well and might have won. Well done Joe, please keep it up. Press on with the job and ignore all the hacks. (Don’t buy newspaper, read this blog instead.)
15 hitman // Oct 6, 2008 at 12:46 PM
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2008/10/06/scottish-businessman-behind-300m-deal-to-buy-newcastle-united-86908-20777703/
16 KK FOREVER (Ross) // Oct 6, 2008 at 12:46 PM
Whatever paper it was that originally broke the story (the mail maybe?), didnt print the full conference, yet claimed they did. they chose to miss out a certain section where Kinnear questioned them regarding a story written about him apparently meeting Wise in a pub and striking the deal there, the journo’s reply was something along the lines of
“come on joe..you know how it goes”. basically admitting they’d written a load of b!ll!cks about him! terrible.
17 Edd Case // Oct 6, 2008 at 1:05 PM
He swore a few times – so what?
I swear all the time.
Let’s be honest, the press deserve it too – so what is the problem?
If it was live on TV or something, fair enough – but it wasn’t.
Let’s talk about better and more important things.
18 Shot Bru! // Oct 6, 2008 at 1:05 PM
Hitman, that just proves to me that Cleland is on his own and is using Nufc as free publicity for his consulting business. I mean you gotta give the guy credit for having the balls think up this scheme to benefit his own ends.
19 Shot Bru! // Oct 6, 2008 at 1:06 PM
And he got to meet his hero Kevin Keegan… allegedly!
20 Jack // Oct 6, 2008 at 1:08 PM
There are other ways of getting your point across without swearing. Joe should know that… It’s just unnecessary. He had the right point but put it across in the wrong way.
21 lesh // Oct 6, 2008 at 1:15 PM
A number of different issuues here.
1 – Press mis-reporting is part of the game
2 – The southern based media seem to loo upon NUFC as fair game for scandal and will do anything to generate it
3 – Joe K felt he was being ridiculed and understandably felt aggrieved
4 – However, he is employed by NUFC (See 2 above)
5 – He had his rant and
6 – according to the transacript, the Press Officer used the words ‘off the record’ but when asked, Joe said they could print (what you ********* want!!)
8 – Perhaps he’d fallen into the press’s trap and given them more to get their grubby teeth into.
9 – Maybe and in hindsight, he could have stood above all this but, he’s not that sort of guy.
10 – Nevertheless, he’s clearly his own man and good for him!!
11 – Fans are/ were sceptical about him
Tell you what, his rant may have got the Geordie public onside.
Best of luck Joe.
22 evildick // Oct 6, 2008 at 1:15 PM
only at newcastle…
i have to admit i did enjoy it! he really had a go!
not that it will change things too much, but at least he said it how it is. which is rare in football these days.
23 toon up // Oct 6, 2008 at 1:18 PM
I think JFK is doing all of this on purpouse. He is trying to deflect as much of the media attention away from the players as he can and I think its working
The blokes a genious I reckon…..
24 Phil,Gosforth // Oct 6, 2008 at 1:21 PM
Until you’ve been in the same situation as JK ,then you can’t really call him for it.OK it sounded well over the top LOL but I can only imagine how p*ssed off I would be in that situation.I’m not gonna think any worse of him for it.It must be frustrating to never be able to say what you really feel because of the goons who run the league but the press can say anything they like without reprieve.
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone etc.
25 Gordon // Oct 6, 2008 at 1:24 PM
@toon up – A genius famed for his belief in the long ball games who was fired by Luton and Nottingham Forest….
26 Ganiyu // Oct 6, 2008 at 1:24 PM
Newcastle after steve defour.is this guy for real?
27 Chris G // Oct 6, 2008 at 1:25 PM
I agree with Whumpie and tyneside tommo
By the way lads, did you see this article by Oliver Holt? I know he doesn’t always get it right (that thing he wrote about Reading FC was absolutely dreadful) but I think he was spot on with this one. Unfortunately, 77% of the people on this blog probably wouldn’t agree with him
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11678_4239316,00.html
28 irish_al // Oct 6, 2008 at 1:34 PM
i was glad to see what the panel thought of it on Gillette soccer saturday
Charlie Nicholas was in his corner, not that i have any great esteem for Nicholas but i value his opinion a lot more than that of pretty much every reporter
on another note
There was an article in the sunday mirror (i didn’t buy it) comparing david moyes to Joe Kinnear
why didnt they just write the article praising David Moyes rather than make a comparison, and even refer to our ground as Sid James park
To do this, shows utter contempt for our club
29 irish_al // Oct 6, 2008 at 1:44 PM
when reporters say he is out of touch as he’s been out of the game for four years, you could argue they are further out of touch as they have NEVER been in the game, just as they pass comment on it doesn’t make their opinion any more valuable
30 irish_al // Oct 6, 2008 at 1:45 PM
and by comment i mean judgement, and by judgement i mean install themselves as judge, jury and excecutioner in the kangaroo court that they occupy
31 irish_al // Oct 6, 2008 at 1:46 PM
rant over
S*&t i forgot to swear
32 Punk Skunk // Oct 6, 2008 at 1:47 PM
I’m glad that i know that JK had a proper go at the press…For once they dared to put it out there, just to try & dis him…They deserve worse…
…& hopefully, he’s set a precedent with regard to the press(slags) & other prem coaches/managers!..Ha!..
…That SCUM print what they want & try to make things look how ‘they’ want, when it suits them!..I bet they approach him differently now?..
…That’s how ALL coaches talk, the great & the good etc…The SCUM just pick & choose what they print!..Get a Life!..
…BOYCOTT THE RAGS!..
33 Shot Bru! // Oct 6, 2008 at 1:50 PM
By the way Oliver Holt is a patronising, arrogant tosser.
34 Punk Skunk // Oct 6, 2008 at 2:03 PM
They hate us,
they’ve shown it in B&W time & time again, especially in recent times!..
…Why should we care what they think?..
…We know what they think!..
35 The Sloper // Oct 6, 2008 at 2:10 PM
I remain convinced it was a fairly clever publicity stunt and practically scripted, if not approved by the press office. Joe goes off on a rant, a rant that isn’t all that serious, and all the talk suddenly gets off the players and the trouble the club is in to Joe himself. He’s disposable, and it makes a lot of sense.
36 irish_al // Oct 6, 2008 at 2:11 PM
in the interest of fairness (something reporters should be showing) not all of the press are that bad
it’s just that the ones that are confrontational make the most noise, even if that noise is the one least worth listening to
Thought out reasoned articles that don’t draw upon ecstacy or despair just aren’t sensational enough
37 Chris G // Oct 6, 2008 at 2:32 PM
Shot Bru! // Oct 6, 2008 at 13:50
By the way Oliver Holt is a patronising, arrogant tosser.
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Oh really? Sorry, my mistake. I just thought that he had written something intelligent for a change
Silly me!
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11678_4239316,00.html
38 Punk Skunk // Oct 6, 2008 at 2:33 PM
Can’t remember readin’ anything fair, balanced or even reasonable from any of the rags recently tbh!..
…& what’s more, they don’t even research before they start to spout!..
39 Ganiyu // Oct 6, 2008 at 2:39 PM
Belgians coming to Newcastle.Poconogli and steve.
40 bnny // Oct 6, 2008 at 2:44 PM
IS IT JUST ME OR DOES ANYONE THINK TAYLOR WOULD MAKE A BETTER STRIKER THAN A DEFENDER?
41 irish_al // Oct 6, 2008 at 2:45 PM
bnny, as a youngster he used to play upfront
42 Heavy hitters // Oct 6, 2008 at 2:48 PM
Just read the transcript and I must say I thoroughly enjoyed it. As a Newcastle fan its the first time I’ve laughed in ages. Wheres Simon Bird ? Here ! you’re a c*#t !! lol
43 Trimdontony // Oct 6, 2008 at 3:18 PM
We have freedom of the press in this country. With this freedom comes responsibility. A fact the sports press have never recognised. So why not vote with your money. If you dont like their persistant hounding of our glorious club, follow my lead and dont buy their papers and switch the TV to another channel when their views arem being aired. Editors look for profit not truth so hit them where it hurts.
44 irish_al // Oct 6, 2008 at 3:21 PM
Chris G,
I think the article shows a lack of respect with the dinosaur comparison, atleast though he acknowledges that Joe Kinnear was ridiculed by many in the press, much of which i believe was without just cause, suprise or even dissagreement with the appointment fine, but to ridicule him is disrespectful
and when he goes on to give his opinion he starts by saying “i think” rather than stating opinion as fact
45 Born Again Geordie // Oct 6, 2008 at 3:21 PM
The red top tabloids very rarely write anything good or positive about Newcastle United and therfore I think JK was venting his spleen as he quite rightly said ‘to clear the air’.
Good on him and fair play, we all know how much cr*p is writen about us and with little or no substance.
I for one think JK said what a lot of us have been thinking – bravo I say. Maybe the press will look at itself and print stories based on actual fact from now on!!
are the days of the ‘club insider’ numbered ??? lol
46 Toon Graeme // Oct 6, 2008 at 3:30 PM
I said this on Friday – I pi$$ed myself laughing after the first few lines.
For all intense and purposes it doesnt bother me in the slightest but if I was to do that I would get the sack.
JFK is in the unique position and the business is a million miles away from my lowly position.
Take it with pinch of salt and worry about things that do matter – ie Man City at home & then Mackems away.
That will be a high octane, high spirited game which will be probably one of the best matches out of all the local derbys this side of the year!
47 Ganiyu // Oct 6, 2008 at 3:36 PM
Man city have gotten rid of they old players thats y the club has changed.Nufc on the other hand has kept old players over 30yrs of age that arent active.hope we draw.
48 Born Again Geordie // Oct 6, 2008 at 3:45 PM
ganiyu – SHUT UP YOU CLOWN !
49 Toon Graeme // Oct 6, 2008 at 4:12 PM
Draw – your joking – I want a win!!!!
if we play like we have been for 90 mins not just 45 mins then we are in with a chance.
50 Lacedaemonian // Oct 6, 2008 at 4:20 PM
Simon Bird’s article today was not that bad – the headline (which he claims not to write) actually put a negative spin on the article and bore little reflection to the article content.
Still this is not good enough. Sack the rags!! I aint buying another Daily Mirror, Star, Sun, Mail…. Looks like the Times or the Guardian for the time being.
51 Chris G // Oct 6, 2008 at 4:23 PM
irish_al – yeah, I hadn’t thought of it that way, but I take your point
It’s good to know that there are still a few sensible people left on this site when we’re surrounded by numptys like ganiyu
Regards
Chris G
52 Thump // Oct 6, 2008 at 4:39 PM
OH DEAR GOD HE SAID NASTY WORDS THE WORLD IS ENDING!
People need to realise that these “swear” words are just “words” that for some unknown reason people frown upon. He lost his patience and swore many times, who gives a sh*t?
Also, I second Ganiyu shutting the hell up. Seriously, I’ve no idea if you’re trolling or if you genuinely are that stupid.
53 irish_al // Oct 6, 2008 at 4:55 PM
i for one enjoy Ganiyu’s comments, well some of them
atleast he isn’t spouting hate and intolerannce
or being abusive about others
54 Chris G // Oct 6, 2008 at 5:02 PM
Lacedaemonian – no need to buy newspapers these days, mate. Just subscribe to the rss feeds – much cheaper!
Here’s a couple for starters – check them out and see if you can get them to work in your browser
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/tools_and_services/rss/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/rss
Good luck
Chris G
55 Shot Bru! // Oct 6, 2008 at 5:11 PM
Chris G
Unfortunately you have taken my comments as a dig against yourself, which they weren’t meant to be, instead they were directed towards Holt. I have read and listened to Holt on various occasions, i remember a time he was on Talk Sport ripping Tony Cascarino to shreds about a weekly column he used to write, giving his informed opinion about the ins and outs of football. Holt was incredibly patronising, embarrasing and downright disrespectful to an ex pro, who has vast experience playing in the uk and France. Holt is just one of the boys that make up Her Majesty’s gutter press. Once again Chris I didn’t mean to offend you mate.
56 Chris G // Oct 6, 2008 at 6:05 PM
Shot Bru!
No offence taken mate. I’ve been living in Australia for the last 15 years so I don’t know Holt as well as you do, but having read that dreadful article he wrote about Reading FC I did already have a few doubts about him.
Having said that, I did think that his recent article about NUFC was much more balanced, and worth reading by a wider audience (especially by the 77% of pollsters on this site who still seem to think that the sun shines out of Joe Kinnear’s @rse)
Oh well, that’s enough for now. It’s getting very late over here and it’s time for this old man to hit the sack.
Night night all
57 Punk Skunk // Oct 6, 2008 at 6:41 PM
Well i’m one of the 77% & i think that holt write up is totally disrespectful to JK & us!..
…He possibly throws us a crumb, then ‘balances’ that with the usual tirade of abuse & chiding we’ve all become familier with here as NUFC fans!..
…Up his proverbial…
58 Punk Skunk // Oct 6, 2008 at 6:49 PM
& i’m sure no one thinks the sun shines outta JK’s ass either!?!..
…But i defo wouldn’t be standin’ up for the lousy press in a million years…
…They are naive at best…It’s about time a few more people stood up against their bully-boy tactics…They cry ‘foul’ when someone gives ‘em some back…They have the power to belittle any/everyone…So, carry on JK, tell ‘em what you think of them…All they can do is slag him off for a few weeks anyway!..
…What part of that article isn’t disrespectful?..
59 Lawman // Oct 6, 2008 at 10:19 PM
Go on JOE!!! Accept the fine and swear some more whilst your at it!!! hahaha….
60 kelt // Oct 7, 2008 at 12:12 PM
Kinnears comments were completely justified, the press cannot expect to treat clubs like absolute dirt and then not get any critisicm back.
Joe Kinnear went up 100 points in my book after he told the press exactly what he thinks of them.
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