Allardyce Thinks Ashley Always Looking For Huge Profit


Sam Allardyce, who was sacked by Ashley after only 7 months at the club, thinks that Ashley’s motives were always to sell Newcastle at a good profit, as soon as he could.

Sam Allardyce – Ashley after quick profit

Sam talked on talkSPORT today:

“It is crystal clear now what the motives were for Mike Ashley,” “I think that he did buy the club in the hope that he could quickly sell it on for a vast profit.”

‘It is going from bad to horrendous and there is part of me that thinks I’m glad I’m out of it,”

“I thought Kevin was going to get the money I didn’t get – but the continuous sales and players moving in and out over the summer obviously caused him to conclude the job was untenable and the club was thrown into chaos.”

We need stability at the club, which means a long term manager – but when did you last hear that?

It’s certainly exactly what Chris Mort said after Ashley took over the club, but we’ve had more upheaval in these last 17 months than ever before. We just hope things settle down when the new owners come in.

You cannot do anything when you chop and change managers every few months, we’ve proven that too many times.

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34 comments so far

  • Punk Skunk

    Oct 7, 2008 at 10:47 AM

    Comment #1

    Who cares what this fat sham thinks?..
    …Shut ya’ cake hole!..

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  • Sav

    Oct 7, 2008 at 10:54 AM

    Comment #2

    I don’t know if he bought it for a profit, but things have gone badly for Ashley in other areas making a sale more attractive. Sam is still sore. I think Ashley is more of a tactician than a strategist and the club has hit the buffers under his stewardship. (Sorry for the mixed metaphors and all that….

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  • Punk Skunk

    Oct 7, 2008 at 10:55 AM

    Comment #3

    I think you’ll find,
    a) you were a crap coach, that enforced crap football…
    b) you weren’t wanted by the incoming owner…
    c) the fans boycotted to get MA out, nowt to do with money makin’…
    d) you can’t shoe-horn your belief system into past events…Divvy!..

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  • Toon_Ksk

    Oct 7, 2008 at 11:00 AM

    Comment #4

    To be honest, it does look like Mike just wants some quick buck. It seems like he found an excuse to sell the club, very much to his delight.

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  • Nick

    Oct 7, 2008 at 11:00 AM

    Comment #5

    It’s funny when they say the fans miss the popular KK. Don’t think you could ever say Sam was popular!!

    It’s amazing how we get pro sam comments from other fans who haven’t had to endure watching a Sam Allardyce team play week in week out. If Allardyce was imposed on their team, how long do you think it would take for you to get fed up with watching Sams; mind numbing brand of ”planet football” when the ball never stays on the deck, through an endless succession of hopeful long balls.

    Allardyce’s teams go out with the sole intent of not being beaten. It’s all about stopping the opposition, but no emphasis whatsoever is placed on what to do when your team has the ball. It’s all about playing the pecentages, no methodology, even against Derby at home! Then if you can’t get a goal from a lucky set piece or long throw, Allardyce’s teams are briefed to kick the opposition off the park. Something odious Sam revels in, almost as much in telling everyone how good he is.
    – yeah there have been so many teams looking to hire him since he left – not !!!!

    No self respecting club in the top 6, let alone top 4 would try and sell their fans the Allardyce model. No one empties grounds quicker than Sam. Football is meant to be an entertainment industry. Allardyce contravenes the trades descriptions act on all fronts.

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  • Temuri K's Shiny Bonce

    Oct 7, 2008 at 11:01 AM

    Comment #6

    Reeks of Sour Grapes

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  • Ganiyu

    Oct 7, 2008 at 11:03 AM

    Comment #7

    He is the next Newcastle manager

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  • Punk Skunk

    Oct 7, 2008 at 11:03 AM

    Comment #8

    Funny & concise Nick!..Ha!..

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  • ObaFan2

    Oct 7, 2008 at 11:06 AM

    Comment #9

    I gave Ashley to the end of his 3rd transfer window (1st Sept 08), after January and no signings I became a little more sceptical but thought with KK in charge we had someone we could trust at the club.

    However that is ofcourse is now history and KK was lied to aswell as the fans. The signings over this summer were ok but too few and we all knew we needed more strength in defence, especially full backs.

    We’re ready for the next chapter in the Toon saga so Ashley sell up and let someone run the club properly from top to bottom and not just for Ashley’s wallet.

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  • Micky Toon

    Oct 7, 2008 at 11:09 AM

    Comment #10

    Now this is an interesting one. Speak to Bolton fans and Sam is THE MAN. He is the best manager they’ve ever had and they were gutted when he left to join us. Yet he isn’t actually any good, his reputation was made by taking a team who weren’t going anywhere fast and turning them into a PL team. He did more for Bolton in recent times than anyone else.
    Anyone realise where this is going yet?
    I’ll cut to the point, Sam is to Bolton what Keegan is to NUFC.
    People forgive their inadequacies because they both brought the best out of the two teams, albeit in two very different ways. Who can say that they would have rather have watched Bolton than NUFC when Keegan was first here.

    So, although I don’t rate either manager, you can see why Bolton fans love him so much. He is their Keegan.

    Pick the bones out of that one then. 🙂

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  • hitman

    Oct 7, 2008 at 11:10 AM

    Comment #11

    ashley wanted bids for the club in today,wonder how many have been put in.

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  • mr_flibbles

    Oct 7, 2008 at 11:10 AM

    Comment #12

    Sam’s got 1 valid point in that he said he didnt get any money and neither did Keegan and that supports the fact ashley was not in it for the long term or did not have any interest in taking newcastle forward. We have got some good players at our club, but i stress it is only ‘some’. only took 1 injury and the teamsheet had to be completely changed.

    anyone notice that nicky butt conceded 2 penalties in the exact same place and in the same manner, you’d think he would learn after the first time not to go sliding in like that, yet alone do it twice. He is poor attacking and defensively he hasnt got he legs at all. Top effort like Smith but ability wise for a prem standard player he is below average.

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  • Taiwantoon

    Oct 7, 2008 at 11:10 AM

    Comment #13

    I don’t like Sam’s playing style and I’ve never wanted him being our manager.

    But to be fair to him, his career was ruined by MA, just like our club.

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  • Punk Skunk

    Oct 7, 2008 at 11:11 AM

    Comment #14

    No bones to pick micky, sounds about right!..

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  • Toon Graeme

    Oct 7, 2008 at 11:11 AM

    Comment #15

    Of course FSA is going to still be bitter after being told by Sky Sports he was getting the sack!
    That you cant deny.

    He makes a point about MA though.

    Problem for MA is that it back fired with the whole KK situation and leaving him with probably the smallest of profit upon completion.

    Tw*T!

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  • hitman

    Oct 7, 2008 at 11:12 AM

    Comment #16

    just been on ssn that the dead line for bids is the 17th of this month.

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  • TERRYHIBBITONTHEWING

    Oct 7, 2008 at 11:12 AM

    Comment #17

    ED
    This was actually on the Jeremy Kyle show on Sunday on TalkSport.I thought they might have hosted the interview with Big Sam on their website.He spoke quite warmly about the club, but his impression of Mike Ashley was, what we are reading-that he was only there to make money.Something that some of us began to feel once the dust had settled on his takeover.Keegan was the perfect foil for his venture, but “Special K” saw through it.Today is apparently deadline day.A pivotal point in the club’s history, or more deceit and spin-we shall see!!.

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  • Punk Skunk

    Oct 7, 2008 at 11:14 AM

    Comment #18

    Shoe-horning,
    beliefs,
    past events…

    …Sour grapes!..

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  • Nick

    Oct 7, 2008 at 11:16 AM

    Comment #19

    Thanks Punk, I try my best!!

    Sam is trying to deflect any blame off himself.
    was it ever any different!!! A bit like Souness cozying up to the media.

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  • TERRYHIBBITONTHEWING

    Oct 7, 2008 at 11:17 AM

    Comment #20

    MICKY TOON post 10

    Good One-100% Bang On.

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  • Punk Skunk

    Oct 7, 2008 at 11:21 AM

    Comment #21

    Double plus good Nick!..

    …No cozying up for JK like, huh?..
    😀

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  • skin d

    Oct 7, 2008 at 11:25 AM

    Comment #22

    whether or not you like sam or not,he wasn,t backed in the transfer market.
    sam was indicating this was the case shortly after he lost his job.
    so he is not taking an old story and adding to it,he was saying this long before keegan came in.
    he said funds were not forthcoming ,lowest nett spenders in the league,club didn,t match his ambition.
    it is wrong to say he is shoe-horning a story to fit in with the current situation.

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  • little willie

    Oct 7, 2008 at 11:28 AM

    Comment #23

    Toon_Ksk // Oct 7, 2008 at 11:00

    To be honest, it does look like Mike just wants some quick buck. It seems like he found an excuse to sell the club, very much to his delight.

    ———

    How does it look like that? He always publicly denied selling with people knocking him for not selling to that lot who bought Man City a few weeks back, he’s only selling now because the fans protested to get him out and refused to by merchandise which would have crippled the club financially.

    You can’t demand someone leave and then moan when they do.

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  • Punk Skunk

    Oct 7, 2008 at 11:34 AM

    Comment #24

    He wasn’t brought in by MA…
    …Wasn’t wanted by the club or the fans…Who’s gonna give cash to that?..

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  • skin d

    Oct 7, 2008 at 11:53 AM

    Comment #25

    if that is the case ,why wasn,t he relieved of his duties as soon as the new regime came in.
    would have caused less trouble in the long run.

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  • Michael12

    Oct 7, 2008 at 12:02 PM

    Comment #26

    ref post 10: Good perspective Micky Toon.

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  • kelt

    Oct 7, 2008 at 12:13 PM

    Comment #27

    its not the chopping and changing of managers that is causing our club such problems at the moment Ed, its the constant sale of developed proven players and the continued policy of not buying anyone to replace them!

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  • Michael12

    Oct 7, 2008 at 12:26 PM

    Comment #28

    I think there is a flaw however in any analysis we make of Sam while at Newcastle.

    His reign was too short to make conclusions and indeed judgments. The problem under Sam was not Sam, but the all seeing all knowing toon fans all of whom think we are owed a trophy.

    When Sam came in, we had massive defensive frailties since the turn of the millennium. No manager had trully tried to get to the bottom of the problem pure because of the toon army’s insatiable appetite for attacking football at any cost. The toon Army have a reputation of turning the heat on a manager with protests.

    As such, when a manager comes in, they have to ditch their plans and adopt plans that will keep them in the job. To keep your job you must satisfy the toon fans, to satisfy the toon fans you must adopt an attacking policy, to adopt an attacking policy we have to procure forward and attack minded players. We have to sacrifice something i.e. defensively minded players we cannot have all.

    Sam was known for his effective football, based on measurable means and scientific methods. He would generate computer reports and graphs of a players activities and show the players where their strengths and weaknesses are so they really understand and know what they can do to improve.

    To sort out a defensive woes there was going to have to a sacrifice. We agree that the Season Sam took over was one of transition, a period of learning and understanding.

    The demands of the fans were simply too much, they wanted both attacking football and a robust defense yet we conceded we are not in the title hunt. What you must realise is, the attacking football and robust defense is the definition of a title winning side.

    Sam had a plan and did not want to cave in to the pressure in the same fashion as all the previous Newcastle managers have. Short sightedness from the fans who demand instant success with resources we agree are not the optimal.

    This is selfish from toon fans as there are 19 other teams in the league, what do you think they are doing??? Nothing!!! you must be joking. There is no easy game and the sooner you realise given trillions of pounds, we are not going to suddenly be thrust into title contention. This takes time and importantly sustainability. The last time we spent so much money on transfers we created an unsustainable competitiveness because our success was dependent on money. We do not want success to be dependent on the fragility of money because if conditions like the current financial crisis, or new owners (and we cannot control who buys Newcastle, if we could pick the richest man in the world it would be great but the world does not work like that) who do not have the trillions we want then that competitiveness is simply unsustainable.

    I urge you to keep your ambitions in your pocket. you get ahead of yourselves at the beginning of every season thinking we can win. Simply calm down.

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  • Paul

    Oct 7, 2008 at 12:55 PM

    Comment #29

    It’s crystal clear what the motives are for Allardyce more like. Total sour grapes.

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  • Born Again Geordie

    Oct 7, 2008 at 1:06 PM

    Comment #30

    Fat Sham – useless w**ker – stop sucking on those sour grapes !!!

    Your s**te and you know you are ………

    😀 😀

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  • Ian

    Oct 7, 2008 at 1:22 PM

    Comment #31

    I think Sam was much brighter than many give him credit for, while I didnt like the way he plays football I do not think that he is a liar.

    He hinted before he was fired that he had been stuffed by Ashley, I think he didnt reply at all, bought a few players to keep the peace then placed them in the wrong positions so he was sacked and got his pay off, I think he weighed Ashley up quickly and realised the position that he had got himself in to and the longer he was there the more damage would be done to his career.

    Keegan by contrast protected his reputation but has left the loser financially, unless he wins his case.

    Sam is ok, not the manager for us but our problem is Ashley, Wise and Llambias no-one else.

    We should leave Sam alone, he has a right to complain about Ashley.

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  • cause I got the girth

    Oct 7, 2008 at 1:24 PM

    Comment #32

    If you have just sacked, would you go to them with a question expecting a reasonable response about the person who just sacked you?!?! err no! Another example of the media digging up pointless stories in an attempt to continually undermine the club which has nothing to do with matters on the pitch!! I loved Joe for standing up to this, shows he has a spine, and its about time others did!

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  • Paul

    Oct 7, 2008 at 3:21 PM

    Comment #33

    Ah, I see now. It’s “crystal clear” that Ashley was only in it for a quick profit because he didn’t give Allardyce four years to turn the club around. OK Sam.

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  • Ian

    Oct 7, 2008 at 5:20 PM

    Comment #34

    Michael 12 lovely long explanation but I think it is much simpler than that, Ashley said he would support Sam, Sam expected funds early enough to buy something before the shelves were empty and he didnt get it, somehow he managed to buy a couple of decent players at the last minute, I wouldnt liked to have seen last years result without his African purchases, far to small a squad to be stable, just a couple of injuries or a couple of players on other duties and we would be in trouble and we were/are.

    You maybe have big dreams at the start of every season, I would say the average Newcastle fan doesnt, maybe except for the kids who dont understand the value of money, however it doesnt mean to say they should give up hope of winning something.

    When we get an owner who has the combination of football interest, money and a few brain cells then we might have a chance of success, until then it will not happen.

    Sam wasnt right for us, but has a right to complain, Ashley messed up his succesful career.

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