No Way Ashley Can Remain Long Term at Newcastle

Keith Harris has been talking again what Mike Ashley has done for the Newcastle United club.

Keith Harris – Ashley has done a lot of good

Harris was asked whether Ashley could decide to remain in charge rather than sell the Newcastle club at a loss and he answered:

“I wouldn’t rule anything out, football is so unpredictable.”

But that’s a leading question because who wants to sell at a loss? From what we know Mike would not have to sell at any loss, and in fact Mike has already said it will not be a fire sale, as he at least wants to get his money back.

Harris continued:

“Mike still has a good wad of money as you’d say. He is a clever businessman and he is self-made. He has done a lot of good there with the Academy, there has been a lot of investment.”

“When you look back through the years so many good players have come from that North East corner, but how many were signed up by Newcastle? Not many. Mike has tried to change that, but that isn’t a headline is it?”

“I know him well and I’m representing him now, he has actually cleared up Newcastle’s debt. On the balance sheet it shows they don’t owe money, they owe it to him. That’s not debt, that’s equity, a more efficient way for an owner who owns the whole business.”

“Mike has been there 15 months and if you asked him he would say, for 12 months he absolutely loved it . . . we’ll have to see if he makes any money out of it.”

We still expect Mike to sell before the end of the year, although in reality the sale will have been slowed a little by the credit crunch. And it will probably mean that Joe Kinnear will remain in charge longer than the 8 games he was signed up for.

But as long as Joe keeps improving the team’s attitude and performances, as he did on Sunday, that will not be too much of a burden.

But we don’t think there’s any way that Mike can remain owner of the club long term.

Comments welcome.

44 comments so far

  • Oba one konobi

    Oct 10, 2008 at 12:12 PM

    Comment #1

    I do not know if you are real fans or not, but I thick Ed right, he was let down by his team! I am still behind his decisions as a owner and just wished he was given that chance to prove in the long run he had a good idea. Personally I think that tosser KK caused most of this and hope NEVER to see him in the dugout again. I have a feeling that we are not going to get what we want when these forigen owners come in! Ashley was investing in our FUTURE. But fickle fans as we are wanted instant success, not tomorrow YESTERDAY!
    The new owners will NOT invest in geordies to play for NUFC. It will be money here and money there and we will still not win nothing for at least another 5 years, therefore we should have just calmed down when the great one left and look at the situation from a grown up point of view. Of course the owner is in it for the money, would any of you buy something worth a 1/4 of your forture for nothing in return! Come on! All fans want is to splash on this and splash on that. Look at the spuds, the amount of s**t coming out there mouths in the summer about Modric turning us down, but look at it now we are better of in the leauge and did not spend half the money the spuds spent.
    I hope our next owner is stronger than Ashley with the fans because if it was me I would not give a flying f**k what all the protesters think if my long term plan was to make the club financially successful and future champions of Europe. as most fans in NUFC can only see today not tomorrow. Ashley will invest in another club and would mark my word it WILL be better than us, and we would desrve the laughing stock status we currently have. TRUST ME!

  • Oba one konobi

    Oct 10, 2008 at 12:14 PM

    Comment #2


  • MattyDread

    Oct 10, 2008 at 12:22 PM

    Comment #3

    I know there a very few who would agree with me on this but… I’d actually quite like Ashley to stay.

    If he did stay I would want him to review the current setup and replace certain people in key positions. I’d love it if Mort could be brought back -partly because I can’t stand Llambias but mainly because he was damn good at being chairman.

  • Sptifire

    Oct 10, 2008 at 12:22 PM

    Comment #4

    Oba one konobi

    What utter tripe.

  • Kevin Nichol

    Oct 10, 2008 at 12:23 PM

    Comment #5

    Oba knoba jerkaoff fool….whatever your stupid name stands for! How dare you call Kevin Keegan a Tosser! Have some respect for a man who cares about the geordie people, the club, the city; a man who has worn the black and white stripes with pride and passion! a man who took our club to the edge of greatness! a man who was let down by empty promises from a board who failed to back him!

    ED….Ban this tosser will you; no respect at all!

  • ryan peacock

    Oct 10, 2008 at 12:26 PM

    Comment #6

    i think ashley will sell before city game!!!

  • ryan peacock

    Oct 10, 2008 at 12:27 PM

    Comment #7

    does anyone know if we have signed AARON SPEAR?

  • MickMack

    Oct 10, 2008 at 12:28 PM

    Comment #8

    Oba one konobi – well done everyone is entitled to their opinion. However i believe yours is very one sided. You have failed to mention anything about his “european structure” with a D.O.A etc etc. They were his decisions, could that work at any Premiership club? Even Mr Wenger & Mr Ferguson disagree with it. The two most experienced and successful managers in the Premiership. But you know more i suppose….

  • MickMack

    Oct 10, 2008 at 12:29 PM

    Comment #9

    *D.O.A – i meant D.O.F – (director of football) – apologies

  • frag

    Oct 10, 2008 at 12:35 PM

    Comment #10

    Oba one konobi and MattyDread are right, Kevin Nichol keegan is a man who LOST us the league with a 12 point advantage. Keegan done nothing at Man City and Fulham which proves something. He has been out of work for years now and that isnt just by accident its because he is a mediocer manager who clings onto the past. He is bigger that the club. If he loved the club as you say then why havnt we heard anything from him then. . . . .

  • ryan peacock

    Oct 10, 2008 at 12:35 PM

    Comment #11

    i think we should start with this XI against city
    given gk
    beye rb
    taylor cb
    coloccini cb
    bassong lb
    jonas rm
    guthrie cm
    nzogbia cm
    duff lm
    owen st
    ameobi st

    what would you pick?

  • Mimo

    Oct 10, 2008 at 12:36 PM

    Comment #12

    Well said about Ashley, I’m disappointed too that he has failed to make a success of things. Where we differ though is I wouldn’t put all the blame on KK ‘s shoulders because it was Ashley who messed up by trying to be the populist with his appointment. If he knew anything about Keegan Mike should have realized his unsuitability to work within the type of management setup he envisaged. Mike is just another person who has found out the hard way that KK is unmanageable.

  • little willie

    Oct 10, 2008 at 12:39 PM

    Comment #13

    But Keegan knew about the DOF set up being put in place but was still happy to take the job, so what Wenger and Ferguson think about working in such a structure means very little.

  • Rasko a.k.a Hadji

    Oct 10, 2008 at 12:41 PM

    Comment #14

    Oba konobi……What are you….his ex wife or something.
    He made Newcastle a circus with his teen attitude,MA is a fat pathetic man who is only using NUFC for him to have some fun.
    Who said that we wanna do the Spuds way,i’d be happy with 20mill transfer kitty+money from the players who will be sold.

  • Wallsend Will

    Oct 10, 2008 at 12:42 PM

    Comment #15

    I won’t trust or listen to the views of anyone who thinks Keegan is a tosser! You just have no idea how important he was to the players, the club itself and to the area in general. Ashley did good when he bought the club, no one will argue with you too much on that point. BUT when the crunch came Ashley failed to support Keegan when it mattered most. The buying and selling of players. We knew when Kevin was appointed that he would need to purchase players of his choice, to produce the kind of team typical of his style (Which ALL love!). Ashley new it too when he made the appointment, but chickened out when he realised what money would be involved to make it succeed.

    Now all he wants to do is make as much money as he can out of selling the club, the greedy bastard.

  • The holey grail

    Oct 10, 2008 at 12:42 PM

    Comment #16

    Mick Mack give ashley a break, if his new system had worked you would be on here praising him, yes i agree it hasnt but at least he tried and not followed the norm. the scouting system in place tho was correct and do you think arsen wenger goes to see every player aged 15 at barcelona NOOO he doesnt ( he is probly bared ) he has a scouting network inplace to do that for him, a manager needs 110% time and commitment with his current players. He needs some one to draw up a 3 man shorlist of the players in the position the manager has chosen so he only has to watch 3 not 300. I would be hapy if we manager to keep Ashley!!!

  • Timberhead Toon

    Oct 10, 2008 at 12:44 PM

    Comment #17

    The over reaction of the mob against Hull has really stung the club as a whole as we are know unable to restructure and address the problems at the club.

    The press killed the possability of KK and MA sorting things out as they jumpedthe gun and allowed them no room to manovure and the ego’s got in the way. It could have all been done on the QT but no they stuck the boot in.

    Get ready for a nasty winter and spring as Ashley will be still here for some time. And not sure we will get through the transfer window in the same state as we are know.

  • beyethegreat

    Oct 10, 2008 at 12:46 PM

    Comment #18

    oba as much as i would agree sometimes our fans are fickle i disagree that they need to grow upits not just the fans who have this view well respected people such as wenger and ferguson have come out and agreed with kk are you going to say then eed to grow up

  • Oba one konobi

    Oct 10, 2008 at 12:53 PM

    Comment #19

    As little willie say, He knew about the structure before he signed on the dotted line. If my facts are correct even DW had left his post at Leeds therefore it must have come up in disscusion. KK can use all the excused in the world about why he walked but the signs were there at the end of the season when he said we where far behind chelski. EVERYONE in football knew he would walk. HE WAS THE BOOKIES FAVORITE! If it was not for curbs alot of people would have got paid. So for all you living in the past wake up KK swaning in was ALWAYS going to be a disaster.

    Mike mack I do agree this is one sided but majority of people on this site just think KK could do nothing wrong but he did and peole havegot to realise that when things get tough or don’t go your way you can not just pick up your bags and go. This is more so because these people ACCUALLY want him back! FFS
    The DOF could always be a problem but beside fergie and arse has the traditional sysytem really worked for anyone else. i personally am not a favoruite with the euro sysyem but Ashley had to try soimething! I would not give my forture to a manager to spend willy nilly and I dought any of you would. And if you did how long would it take YOU to sack that individual, just to give the new boy a chance to spend your money. Something will have to give.
    as I said the grass is not always green on the otherside, our new owners will not be lavishly spending the hard earned money on fickle fans. Want you today f**koff tomorrow!

  • MattyDread

    Oct 10, 2008 at 12:55 PM

    Comment #20

    I certainly don’t blame Keegan for what’s happened, although I can’t really say he’s blameless and I’m in two minds as to whether or not I want to see him back.

    I think Keegan was probably an example of where Ashley has gone wrong in that he was a poor appointment. Please understand that when I say poor appointment I do NOT mean poor manager or even wrong man for the job – given the right amount of control Keegan would have been great. The reason I’m saying Keegan was a poor appointment is because he didn’t fit into the structure Ashley was putting into place.

    Now – I’d rather Keegan had been given the power to run the club as he saw fit; however – Ashley is the owner and therefore it is his prerogative to put any structure in place that he sees fit.

    What Ashley should have done was put the right people in place. Keegan is not the kind of manager to work with a DOF and therefore probably shouldn’t have been appointed as manager. Dennis Wise was never a good choice and there was absolutely no reason to think he would make a good DOF and as such should never have been appointed. Derek Llambias was obviously in no way prepared to be the chairman of a Premier League football club, few or none of the attributes required and has since shown himself to be completely unable to fulfill the role; he should never have been appointed.

  • beyethegreat

    Oct 10, 2008 at 1:01 PM

    Comment #21

    oba yes he knew about the structure but he was told he would have a say in who stays and goes and dennis wise was only thier to RECOMMEND players to him or atleast thats what den wise said on the official site when he first came if kk new what he was going in to then i would be on you r side but he didnt so i am not

  • Timberhead Toon

    Oct 10, 2008 at 1:03 PM

    Comment #22

    The DOF role has never really worked in this country due to the manager’s role works here.

    Also I’m not sure it helps the players as they would prefer to be wanted by the manager and not thrust upon him.

  • Surly Amoeba

    Oct 10, 2008 at 1:03 PM

    Comment #23

    Interesting – everyone seems to be blaming KK. My view – Ashley meant well – but cocked it up by appointing and then supporting the wrong people.
    One thing, if KK knew all about the set-up, why did others (Ashley, Dennis Dwarf) feel the need to state publicly and categorically some MONTHS before the blow-up, that Kevin was definitely in charge, would have the say-so on transfers etc – then clearly contradict those statements with their actions during the transfer window? I would have felt just as undermined as KK did when that happened, and would find it very difficult to trust or believe what I was told by them in future. It seems that most managers of any standing support KK’s behaviour – so perhaps we should stop making him out to be the bad guy and Ashley all sweetness and light in this.

  • Rasko a.k.a Hadji

    Oct 10, 2008 at 1:09 PM

    Comment #24

    Lets put it plain and simple….before MA came,we never ever had to worry about relegation.
    Look at us now!!

  • Timberhead Toon

    Oct 10, 2008 at 1:12 PM

    Comment #25

    Never had to worry about relegation, Souness to Roeder. Before that happened I was worried.

  • Daniel

    Oct 10, 2008 at 1:18 PM

    Comment #26

    Mike Ashley deserves another chance – many chairman have made mistakes in the past and came back stronger for it. It’s life, experience. He can improve in the future. Not enough buys were made in the summer admittedly, but after ploughing in 250m of course it was going to be quieter than expected. Our squad wouldn’t be too small if it wasn’t for the long term injury to Viduka, Bartons unexpected ban buy the FA, and the sale of Milner on the last day for an overexagerated sum of money. Only one of these were predictable – Vidukas injury. They highlighted that and brought in Xisco, who hasn’t had chance to show what hes got yet. That RM Schweineger turned us down at the last minute apparently – if he hadn’t then the money spent AND players bought wouldn’t be critisised so much. That’s football, we got unlucky, and should maybe have had a replacement lined up – MA sure as hell will make sure next time.

    And if we had a capable chairman maybe he would have too….

    I’m for MA staying, bring in the right men (experienced chairmen, a MANAGER (not just a coach), and a scouting system below the manager). Focus on some youth development and see where it goes from there. This is MAs first full season if I remember correctly, give him a chance.

  • Daniel

    Oct 10, 2008 at 1:25 PM

    Comment #27

    Oh yea, and can anyone name another chairman that’s been as publicly villified as much as MA. Even the Glaziers at Utd haven’t or Levy whos situation pretty much mirrors Ashleys. I think alot of it has to do with the press, and the loyaly toward KK rather than MA doing that much wrong.

  • beyethegreat

    Oct 10, 2008 at 1:28 PM

    Comment #28

    daniel i dont think any ofd these people lied and also about the glaziers man u fans started thier own club

  • graeme

    Oct 10, 2008 at 1:30 PM

    Comment #29

    Mike Ashleys first mistake was in sacking Allerdyce without having lined up a replacement. His second mistake was trying to bring in ‘Arry Redcrap on a whim and getting told to sling his hook.

    The biggest mistake was made at that point. Instead of bringing in a top rate european manager to run the club for him, he threw a double six and pulled Keegans name out of the hat. Now, I love KK, was there when he played for us and when he was manager, but KK is not a top rate manager. He is a brilliant motivator, there is a difference.

    There were 4 or 5 really good, very experienced managers available at the time, but MA thought by appointing KK, he would get the fans off his back and all would be sweatness and light. How wrong he turned out to be.

    To compound the mistake, he then brought in Dennis Wise and his cronies, which was always going to be a recipe for disaster. Then true to form, when the going got tough, KK got going, straight out the door. It then all hits the fan, big time.

    MA still owns NUFC lock, stock & barrel and if he cant get a buyer at the price he wants, he will stay. He has some great ideas, but he desperately needs a “Football Man” to implement them and actually run the club, as a club. If it wasnt for his ill-health, then Sir Bobby would be the ideal choice.

    MA really needs to think through who is going to manage the CLUB, rather than the team, if he intends to stay. If you dont have expertise in a particular field, you go out and employ the best you can get; not always the most popular public choice.

    If he had gone for a Lippi, a Heitzfeldt or even a Mourinho back when he sacked BSA, the club could be well up the table and flying. The outrage of the past 8 weeks would never have happened and things would be as they should be.

    Yes, MA could still be the owner of NUFC in 5 years time. It just needs some very careful thought about the structure of the club, how it is going to be run and by WHO?? The next manager has to be able to run the whole club, from top to bottom, he doesnt have to coach the 1st team as well, but it would be better if he did.

  • selly no skill

    Oct 10, 2008 at 1:40 PM

    Comment #30

    in my view .the whole thing cant be blamed solely on any body individually,ashley or keegan or wise.they were all trying to do the best for the club in their own ways ,but through clever media manipulation we are now the laughing stock.the best advice i would give to every newcastle fan and you ed ,is boycott the national rags that this bs is being written in,dont talk /read or beleive the press, until youve seen it on tv.the fans of nufc and you ed fall hook line and sinker for the press every time and its destroying us.myself included read your blog and get wound up and depressed every day and most of it is speculation written by people who want to see the club collapse.rant over.[michael owen for england].shearer for toon manager.

  • Bill B

    Oct 10, 2008 at 1:41 PM

    Comment #31

    I agree with Surly Amoeba that MA meant well. But he showed himself to be an amateur by not finding out the level of debt that the club had and not finding out more about KK. For example, he should have known that KK spotted some great talent in his first stint as manager (Andy Cole etc) and created the “Entertainers”. Recruiting new players should be straight forward. The scouts spot the talent and inform the Manager. The Manager will watch DVDs to get an idea then go and watch the player live. After all, it’s the Manager who has to work with the team and he has to find out whether the “target” is the type of player he needs, what’s wrong with that? Can you imagine Alex Ferguson, Arsene Wenger or Rafa Benitez having players foisted on them? Look at the animosity at Chelski when Abramovitch bought Ballack and Shevshenko over Mourinho’s head. It didn’t matter that they are both great players, they were not what Mourinho wanted.

  • paul

    Oct 10, 2008 at 1:45 PM

    Comment #32

    I am pleased to see people on here expressing a different view to the normal stereotype expressed by the ‘fans’ who hang around st james park every day and shout at tv crews.

    I would like to see MA stay. I think he is clearly very clever and wanted to bring about success. As much as I love Keegan, when he was appointed I thought it was a step backward. That was MA’s big mistake – ie giving the fans the manager they wanted. It was extremely unlikely KK could recreate what happened 15 years ago. And I believe (it is only my opinion) that KK knew he was coming in as head coach and that transfer policy was (ultimately) someone else’s decision – albeit KK would be involved in discussions.

    Therefore I never expected KK to stay long term. And I also believe that our current plight has less to do with MA and more to do with the fans protesting about MA – and therefore forcing him to sell and creating this state of flux from which we cannot progress, because no manager would come here long-term.

    And for anyone who slags me off, I am entitled to my opinion. I have been going to sjp full time since I was 7 (kenny wharton scored the winner in my first game about 25 years ago) and have held a season ticket since 1992, when you had to have one to get in cos of KK (who I will always love but who is not right for NUFC right now). I am posting this because I think quite a few fans agree with me, they are just a bit apprehensive to come out and say it.

    Lets convince MA to stay, let him run the club (including continuing his very good work at junior level) and appoint a long-term manager so we can progress.

  • Daniel

    Oct 10, 2008 at 1:56 PM

    Comment #33

    Beyethegreat – thats true, a small majority did. But Utds average attendance didn’t plummit by 10% or so, and it certainly never hit down to 20% fewer than capacity. They didn’t get police advice to boycot the games, and as anywhere as much coverage as Newcastle have. I doubt the Glaziers ever seriously considered selling really.

  • Wallsend Will

    Oct 10, 2008 at 2:11 PM

    Comment #34

    graeme // you make some good points about Ashley especially about him sacking Allerdyce, with no relacement in mind. Keegan was not his first choice for sure, but when he met him in person, private or whatever, an understanding was reached. Kevin would deliver a winning team, but at a price. As I said earlier, Ashley chickened out when he realised what it was going to cost him. The Dennis Wise thing was a cheaper long term effort more suited to having in place a foreign coach etc.

  • Danny Duckfoot

    Oct 10, 2008 at 2:17 PM

    Comment #35

    This use to be a good blog, its now pathetic, full of non-geordie mugs.

    KK is our hero. Ashley was right to bring him back, but very wrong in bringing in Wise & Llambias.

    If he hasnt sold the club by the end of the season, he’ll have a half empty stadium for the following season. There is no way most geordies will put any more of our money in the fat boys pocket.

    Ashley is a greedy bastard, with one aim in life…………………

    Well guess what fat boy, you’ll never be accepted by the vast majority of the geordie nation. Your finnished at NUFC, so sell up & f*&k off, the sooner the better & take the little bong-eyed c*&t with ya.

    All you pro Ashley bloggers are pure scum.

    Howay the Lads !

  • Daniel

    Oct 10, 2008 at 2:47 PM

    Comment #36

    Danny Duckfoot, I guess you read in the sun that MA is such a bad owner and jumped on the bandwagon? Whos aim in life isn’t to be financially sound. It’s barely intelligent boycotting his stores ruining his business when it’s going through difficult times anyway. Perhaps if that hadn’t happened he’d have been financially stronger and not needing a profit on NUFC but hes lost millions and needs to recoup it somehow.

  • MattyDread

    Oct 10, 2008 at 3:01 PM

    Comment #37

    Another thing that I find a real shame is how the world now sees us Geordies. We used to be considered some of the best fans the world over; we keep telling ourselves that is still the case, but unfortunately everyone now thinks we’re all like Danny Duckfoot…

  • skin d

    Oct 10, 2008 at 3:08 PM

    Comment #38

    people dont seem to grasp the fact,that with mike ashley at the helm newcastle are going nowhere fact!!!.
    if fat ashley thinks running newcastle like a championship club is going to do us any favours,he is dafter than i ever thought he was.
    basically that is what is going to happen,if he doesn,t sell up.
    there was something in the paper about him not buying buying players anymore,saying he has spent enough.
    when has this worthless c##t ever spent any money on the first team,all he has ever done is penny pinch and book balance.
    any players newcastle have bought,have been offset against the players who have left,infact ashley has brought more money in for himself than has been spent.
    i dont care what anyone says newcastle must turn over alot of money each year.
    ashley has taken three year season ticket money,pocketed the sky tv money,and new strips etc he is a robbing b#####d who knew what he was doing when he bought newcastle.
    anybody who blames kk for this mess is shortsighted,this sorry situation was unfolding long before kevin came in.
    kk was ashley,s last chance to try and get the fans onside and he even ballsed that up.
    mike ashley is far to greedy for newcastle to succeed under him.

  • skin d

    Oct 10, 2008 at 3:20 PM

    Comment #39

    daniel, it has very little to do with the newspapers ,have you got eyes man.
    the club is in a mess because of the lack of investment in the squad.
    he didn,t have to go out and break the bank,but he completley took the p### .
    it was plain to see in the last game of last season against everton the squad needed wholesale investment.
    what did he do this summer to address this absolutley f##k all.
    these are hardly the actions of a owner who wants the best for his club.

  • micepie

    Oct 10, 2008 at 3:24 PM

    Comment #40

    Despite the intial ‘wtf?’s’ from many fas over Kinner originally, I think that as long as he remains a strong figurehead for us in the transitional times we’ll be okay (I know JK still has to prove himself but he’s definitely the type of character we need right now – just hope he can leave us midtable when we’re bought).

    As an aside, great to have mf’s coming back too. With Guthrie, Spider and Barton (also, Nacho back soon?) we’ll have gone from threadbare mf choices to being quite strong.


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