Kinnear Influenced By The Great Bill Nicholson


Joe Kinnear was born in Dublin, Ireland and raised in Watford, which accounts for his Southern accent (not everybody is perfect), and he seems very aware that Newcastle fans like their team to play attacking football.

The great Bill Nicholson of Tottenham Hotspur

Kinnear played his football under the legendary manager Bill Nicholson at Tottenham Hotspur.

Bill was certainly a one club man, having played 314 times for Tottenham from 1938 to 1955 scoring 6 goals. He then managed Tottenham from 1958 to 1974 and we remember clearly when he did the double in 1961 winning both the FA Cup and the First Division title – the first time that had ever been achieved. The captain of Spurs at that time was Danny Blanchflower of course.

Joe Kinnear has been influenced by the way Bill, who died aged 85 in 2004, managed the great Tottenham side.

Joe said today:

“Just ask any of the players who have ever played for me how we used to play.” “I grew up with push and run.” “I have got all of my qualifications in football and have a degree in the game as well. I have studied for many, many years.”

“But I was always a great believer in the management of Bill Nicholson at Spurs.” “Chris Hughton will tell you this as well – Bill would not allow you to kick the ball long.”

“We were always push-and-run and give-and-go.” “We were just a team that played total football all over the pitch when I played for Spurs.” “When I went to Wimbledon we started with give-and-go, but we didn’t have the quality of everybody else, so we had no other choice but to mix it.” “We had to do that to survive.”

“The players we were getting were from lower divisions, but there were about 11 of them who left as internationals.” “I had a lot of internationals playing under me. There was Terry Phelan, John Scales, Keith Curle, Warren Barton, Dean Holdsworth and Robbie Earle – and they were all good footballers.”

That looks a little like a resume but we know Joe is very anxious to get back into the game, so it’s not surprising he wants to tell people what he has done.

But he will be judged now on how he does at Newcastle, and if he does well it’s almost certain he’ll be given a chance at some club.  And certainly the way Newcastle have played under Joe doesn’t look too much different than they were playing under Keegan, and if Joe follows the great Bill Nicholson, he cannot go far wrong.

Monday night is turning out to be a very important game for the club – a game we have to win or at the very least draw.

Here is a famous quote from Bill which just about sums up his simple philosophy:

“Any player coming to Spurs, whether he’s a big signing or just a ground staff boy, must be dedicated to the game and to the club. He must never be satisfied with his last performance, and he must hate losing”

Replace Spurs with Newcastle United and that’s all fans ask of our players too.

Here is Bill Nicholson’s management record at Tottenham for our younger readers – he was one of the great British managers:

1961 FA Cup and League One winners , FA Community Shield winners
The first “double” of the 20th century

1962 FA Cup winners, Community Shield winners, European Cup semi finalists
1963 UEFA Cup Winners Cup winners, League One runners up
The first British team to win any European Championship
1967 FA Cup winners, FA Community Shield winners
1971 League Cup winners
1972 UEFA Cup winners
1973 League Cup winners, UEFA Cup semi-finalists
1974 UEFA Cup runners up



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26 comments so far

  • HAMMY14

    Oct 17, 2008 at 3:30 PM

    Comment #1

    First whoo hoooo

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  • TERRYHIBBITONTHEWING

    Oct 17, 2008 at 4:02 PM

    Comment #2

    Bill Nicholson is revered by Spurs supporters and he is indeed one of the greats of the English game.If Joe could replicate some of Nicholson’s talent and get some points on the board during the next few weeks, then maybe his tenure as manager might be extended.

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  • beyethegreat

    Oct 17, 2008 at 4:14 PM

    Comment #3

    he was voted 3rd greatest manager of all time
    behind fergie 2nd and wenger 1st

    it is a bit early yet but if he(kinnear) does well with his time in charge why not give it to him permanentley

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  • Ally

    Oct 17, 2008 at 4:17 PM

    Comment #4

    this lad was on sky sports news today nd its a crease!

    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=C2QEm028lKA

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  • beyethegreat

    Oct 17, 2008 at 4:24 PM

    Comment #5
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  • Paul

    Oct 17, 2008 at 4:39 PM

    Comment #6

    “this lad was on sky sports news today nd its a crease!”

    Aye, he is like. Loved his little Michael Owen bit.

    “I’m playing upfront week in week out with Shola Ameobi, so things don’t get much better than that!”

    Class!

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  • canada willie

    Oct 17, 2008 at 4:40 PM

    Comment #7

    Ed,

    You seem to be so positive on Joe Kinnear and promote him every opportunity you can.

    Joe Kinnear is not Bill Nicholson. All you have to do is look at their respective management records.

    Joe says anything to endear himself to the Newcastle fans. He is out to keep the Newcastle job which would be a real mistake in my mind. He has been out of football for too long and only got the interim job because no one else would touch it.

    I just hope the new owners understand the modern game and do not get stampeded into signing a manager who has been out of touch with new players , scouting systems and coaching methods etc.

    Joe might be a nice guy but he isn’t and wasn’t a successful manager even when he was in his prime

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  • Howay50

    Oct 17, 2008 at 4:44 PM

    Comment #8

    I prefer Jack Nicholson, has a better way wiv the ladies. LOL

    H50

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  • MURPHY

    Oct 17, 2008 at 4:53 PM

    Comment #9

    I dissagree willie.

    Management is about skills, being able to get the most out of your team, having the knowledge of the game, having the respect of the players, tactics, being organised, setting goals etc etc.. Just because the man doesn’t have a colosal track record in top flight european football doesn’t mean he can’t manage a team. In my opinion he’s shown some of those qualities alreay ie, leadership, tactical skills, he’s gained respect, and he’s a big motivator which is what newcastle need. If he does well in his time at newcastle then he deserves a chance, I’d rarther him than some european super manager that’s unproven in the prem, it doesn’t always work and you only need to look at spurs to see that.

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  • beyethegreat

    Oct 17, 2008 at 4:55 PM

    Comment #10

    canada williie

    while joe has been out of management for a long time he hasnt actually lost touch with the game atleast not from a scouting point of view i may be wrong but he has been all over the world scouting for players for clubs in chile or something like that anyway

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  • Paul

    Oct 17, 2008 at 4:59 PM

    Comment #11

    “Joe might be a nice guy but he isn’t and wasn’t a successful manager even when he was in his prime”

    Canada Willie, considering what he had to work with at Wimbledon, he did an excellent job. BTW he hasn’t been out of the game completely since his last managerial job, he did some scouting overseas.

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  • Paul

    Oct 17, 2008 at 5:05 PM

    Comment #12

    No you’re not wrong beyethegreat, he scouted in South America including Argentina and Brazil.

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  • Thomas

    Oct 17, 2008 at 5:06 PM

    Comment #13

    lol that was class ally…

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  • Thomas

    Oct 17, 2008 at 5:08 PM

    Comment #14

    Btw aaron spear’s on the bench for the u-18’s next match..

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  • skin d

    Oct 17, 2008 at 5:13 PM

    Comment #15

    if joe,s involved in scouting will the squad turn up for training in woggles?.

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  • Ageordiedoonsooth

    Oct 17, 2008 at 5:29 PM

    Comment #17

    beyethegreat What about Bob Paisley & Sir Mat Busby as great managers I certainly think they were better than Wenger and Ferguson. And of course we can’t forget Old Big ‘ead Cloughie

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  • beyethegreat

    Oct 17, 2008 at 5:34 PM

    Comment #18

    i would agree geordie
    kk was on the list i personally would have had joe harvey instead of kk
    also ramsey should definately be higher than redknapp

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  • Tom

    Oct 17, 2008 at 6:08 PM

    Comment #19

    This puts the Aaron Spear question to bed once and for all!
    http://www.nufc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10278~1423879,00.html

    He is on the bench for the U-18s tomorrow!

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  • Ageordiedoonsooth

    Oct 17, 2008 at 6:15 PM

    Comment #20

    Beyethe great I haven’t seen the list where was Bobby Robson he must be on there and of course Ramsey & I forgot Shankly. Joe Harvey was an excelent manager for us in the 60’s and 70’s. My greatest managers
    1 Bob Paisley Liverpool
    2 Matt Busby Man U
    3 Alex Ferguson Aberdeen & Man U
    4 Brian Clough Derby & Forest
    5 Bill Shankly Liverpool
    6 Arsen Wenger Arsenal
    7 Sir Bobby Robson Ipswich, Barca, PSV, England
    8 Alf Ramsey Ipswich & England
    9 Herbert Chapman Huddersfield & Arsenal
    10 Kenny Daglish Liverpool & Blackburn

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  • Paul

    Oct 17, 2008 at 6:34 PM

    Comment #21

    The horrible truth. The greatest English manager ever was born in Hetton-le-Hole!

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  • Paul

    Oct 17, 2008 at 6:36 PM

    Comment #22

    … and the other one was a smoggie who played for Middlesborough and Sunderland too!

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  • beyethegreat

    Oct 17, 2008 at 6:57 PM

    Comment #23

    ageordie here is the list in full

    20-george graham
    19-terry venables
    18-kevin keegan
    17-howard kendell
    16-howard wilkinson
    15-kenny dalglish
    14-ron atkinson
    13-don revie
    12-alf ramsey
    11-mat busby
    10-harry redknapp(no way he should be any where near let alone above busby and ramsey though he is a good manager)
    9-bobby robson(should be higher than rafa)
    8-rafael benitez
    7-bill shankley
    6-brian clough(the greatest manager england never had)
    5-bob paisley
    4-jose mourinho
    3-bill nicholson
    2-alex ferguson
    1-arsene wenger

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  • 51times

    Oct 17, 2008 at 8:26 PM

    Comment #24

    “Southern accent (not everybody is perfect)”

    Ed, we have more in common than previously thought.

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  • Ageordiedoonsooth

    Oct 18, 2008 at 1:11 PM

    Comment #25

    beyethegreat Strange names on that list of top 20 managers & as for Harry Redknap at 10 what a joke that is.

    By the way though Paisley was born in Hetton-Le-Hole he was a Toon supporter as is Sir Bobby. Mourinho was taught everything he knows by Sir Bobby.

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  • Chris G

    Oct 18, 2008 at 2:48 PM

    Comment #26

    51times // Oct 17, 2008 at 20:26

    “Southern accent (not everybody is perfect)”

    Ed, we have more in common than previously thought.
    ———————————————————

    Not funny. I have a Southern accent, and I’m not ashamed of it. You should be ashamed of yourself for posting comments like that.

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