Give Captaincy To Given – Newcastle Goalkeeper Supreme


Kinnear says that he has already picked the team that will start tonight, but still has to decide on who will be captain in the absence of Michael Owen and Nicky Butt.



Shay Given – best goalkeeper ever to wear the jersey

Joe talked about the captaincy this afternoon:

“I’ve got a decision to make on my captain as Michael Owen and Nicky Butt are both unavailable. ” “I’ve two great candidates in Shay Given and Steven Taylor.”“Nobody needs to tell me what Shay Given means to this football club both on and off the field.”

“To tell the truth, I have never had a goalkeeper as my captain in either my playing or managerial career.”

“When I was a player at Spurs it was always Dave Mackay, Alan Mullery or Martin Peters.” “And when I was manager of Wimbledon I had Robbie Earle, Vinnie Jones, Keith Curle and John Scales as my captains.”

“Obviously, if I did opt for Tayls it would give him a boost. He might stick his chest out more when he goes for headers and set plays.” “He’s a Geordie boy as well, and it would mean a lot to him.”

This is brilliant man management by Joe, because we think he will give the captaincy to Shay, but Steven will now be aware he was in the running, and that will give him that extra confidence for tonight’s game. It’s also important Steven has a strong game alongside Colloccini at the back against WBA.

Steven Taylor is certainly a Newcastle United captain of the future, but we think Shay will get the captain’s armband as respect for the over 400 games he’s played for the club, and he’s still only 32 years old – still young for a goalkeeper with Shay’s supreme fitness.

And we also know Shay has a very good record on results when he’s been Newcastle captain in the past.

Steven Taylor will make his 100th Premier League appearances for the club tonight, with five of those coming as substitute. Steven has also appeared in another 40 Newcastle games since making his debut in 2004, and he’s scored 6 goals for the club.

And as it happens, Shola Ameobi makes his 100th Premier League start – but the 27-year-old striker also has another 75 appearances as substitute. He has also appeared 56 times in other first class games for the club, so has made a total 231 appearances, and now has 48 goals to his name in the famous black and white shirt.

We hope Shola can hit his 50 goal target for the Tyneside club tonight – and somebody make extra sure he knows he’s only two short of that target.

It’s certainly not not beyond the realm of possibility he can get a brace tonight, like his younger brother Sammy did last night for the Reserves.

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32 comments so far

  • Bosck

    Oct 28, 2008 at 5:45 PM

    Comment #1

    Got a £10 bet on martins to score first and a 3-0 win to the toon tonight. odds of 65-1!!

    Go on oba.

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  • TOON GOAT

    Oct 28, 2008 at 5:49 PM

    Comment #2

    I’ll probably get slaughtered for this, but has anybody ever considered that Shay Given may be at the root of all our defensive problems? All the time he’s been our goalkeeper we’ve had a bad defensive record. Coincidence? Granted the Brambles and boumsongs of this world were joke defenders but how would they have been with a dominant keeper like say Schmeichel behind them? Watch at ALL corners and 95% of crosses. Given NEVER comes and claime the ball. Just stays on his line. Consequently if one of our defenders doesn’t get the ball it’s a header on goal from close range from an opposing forward. Watch other team’e goalkeepers. Have you EVER seen one come for crosses etc less than Given? No! most of them will cut out high balls be they from corners or the wing Given NEVER does. I’ll now put me tin hat on……

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  • TOON GOAT

    Oct 28, 2008 at 5:52 PM

    Comment #3

    Was nearly first there……

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  • Tom1664

    Oct 28, 2008 at 6:07 PM

    Comment #4

    That’s a point TG, I’d give it a bit more credence if all our opponents only scored from set pieces…

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  • Paul:D

    Oct 28, 2008 at 6:09 PM

    Comment #5

    bang on toon goat
    ive been tryin to point that out 4 awhile now….you noticed how our defence plays betetr with harper between the sticks, and this means the rest of the team plays better as they dont have to cover…
    some people starting to realise that now
    hope eds takig notes

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  • neeraj

    Oct 28, 2008 at 6:10 PM

    Comment #6

    toon goat

    actually bramble never missed his headers they always went goal wards

    yes he doesn’t shout at anybody just to show that it was someone else’s fault

    and abt kicking the ball early, put guys like buffon in tell him these are your set of defenders look what he will do

    he deserves the captaincy, not for one match but for season imo

    kahn was a successful captain…..

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  • Paul:D

    Oct 28, 2008 at 6:10 PM

    Comment #7

    gave a list of points on a thread yestaday ill try n get em on ere, taylor for captain, might help him do somethin useful, and give him experience, especially if shearer gets a word int o him before the game, wouldnt mind seeing barton as captain, hes a natural leader and has a point to prove, worth a shot

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  • 51times

    Oct 28, 2008 at 6:10 PM

    Comment #8

    TOON GOAT – Given isn’t perfect, to be honest he’s always been about his shot stopping. He doesn’t organise the defence enough, totally lacks command of his area. Surely someone must have mentioned it to him before?

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  • Paul:D

    Oct 28, 2008 at 6:14 PM

    Comment #9

    he is a goalkeeper, is job is to stop goals, organise the defence, and build the base of our passing play through distribution…he h as conceded how many goals…the defence has been unorganised, a shambles, with no leader and no confidence int he keeper…and his ditribution has consisted of hoofing the ball half way up the pitch to the opposition…given has been poor this season, and has been quite poor since his major injury

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  • Heavy hitters

    Oct 28, 2008 at 6:16 PM

    Comment #10

    I dont agree with the view things are Given’s fault. Given has saved our consistently poor defence for years. Could you imagine what it must be like playing behind players like Taylor and before that Bramble and Boumsong, he deserves a lot of respect imo unlike the aforementioned defenders.

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  • neeraj

    Oct 28, 2008 at 6:19 PM

    Comment #11

    paul
    is absence of a defensive leader given’s fault???

    we bought boumsong he would pass the ball straight to the opposition

    u talking about pass play to mid field does our mid field come back to take the ball they are always in the half line
    if u are seeing given’s delivery check this thing out also……

    he is probably the best shot stopper in the league, but doesnt get the recognition coz he is with nufc not with “big 4” and he is happy with it he is a proud nufc player not some one who is here for a big pay check

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  • Paul:D

    Oct 28, 2008 at 6:24 PM

    Comment #12

    given is not as good as everyone thinks…he is over dramatic with saves, and therefore looks good, he doesnt do the job, reasons why harper is ebtter:
    1)he organises the defence, and a solid defence has a domino effect ont he midfield, which then goes to the strikers, you can build a multistory building if the ground floor is unstable
    2) he catches the ball
    3)he does the basics better
    4)he doesnt gtive the ball away needlessly
    5)he is toon through and through and shows passion, which is what we need, the same reasonw hy keegan, shearer, beardsly, ect all were succeses here
    6) he is bigger
    7) he doesnt give negative comments to the media, and give a negative effect to the team, if yout hink you cant win, youw ont win, simpel as
    statistics show harper lets in less goals per game on average
    9) when harper does play, he always has an amzing run int he side, last season he kept us up
    10…do i need to say more?

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  • Paul:D

    Oct 28, 2008 at 6:29 PM

    Comment #13

    heavy hitters, like toon goat said, would the defence have been the same with a keeper like schmiechal or someone behind them, a keeper that commands the area, communicates, and organises the defence? i think not, boumsong wasnt all bad, i feel sorry for him in away, he did make some bad mistakes, but being paired with bramble..and having to do the job of two defenders against their attackers and bramble….seems abit unfair, just saying the defence looks more confortable and stable with harper, as h e does the job of orghanising better, and statistics show we let in less goals with harper, ya cant argue with facts,
    neeraj…i agree, he is the best shot stopper int he league…but being a good shot stopper doesnt make you a good goalkeeper….thats like ahving a winger thats fast…doesnt make him good, its just part of what you need

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  • Paul:D

    Oct 28, 2008 at 6:30 PM

    Comment #14

    and also neeraj is that why when he last got dropped he spat his dummy out and threatened to walk…at least harps can handle being dropped in a proffesional way

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  • TOON GOAT

    Oct 28, 2008 at 6:30 PM

    Comment #15

    I agree he’s a good shot stopper neeraj but that’s not being the complete goalkeeper is it? Dominating the area and organising the defence are paramount too and IMO Given does neither. Paul D is right. Given has been poor this season and I agree we looked better with Harper in goal. It’s chicken and egg really. Does Given resue our defence because they are all crap idiots or is does given make them look like crap idiots because of how little help he gives them????

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  • geordie jock

    Oct 28, 2008 at 6:30 PM

    Comment #16

    Give it to Joey Barton it’s just what the lad needs. I think he is a great captain in the making and we need someone who will not be frightened to tell the other players to get stuck in, which in my opinion is often.

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  • neeraj

    Oct 28, 2008 at 6:32 PM

    Comment #17

    “he makes his saves dramatic”

    ask buffon how to save a shot from 6 yard without any fuss

    henry once said ” it take something really special to score against given”

    thats from worlds best finisher
    and you are saying that its easy to score against given

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  • John(indian toon)

    Oct 28, 2008 at 6:40 PM

    Comment #18

    Given should b da CAPTIAN HE IS GR8 , HE WINS GAMES , SO REMOVE OWEN 4M DA SQUAD, V DNT NEED OWEN, GIVEN A PERFECT CAPTIAN:-P

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  • Paul:D

    Oct 28, 2008 at 6:41 PM

    Comment #19

    no neeraj…im just sayin hed rather dive and tip a ball over the bar than catch it in his hands,
    and good call geordie jock i said thate rlia aswell hes got a point to prove, let him do it…beckham used to be like him…he made a good captain..seharer…keane…hed make a great captain

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  • neeraj

    Oct 28, 2008 at 6:43 PM

    Comment #20

    toon goat

    i would write again

    a penalty saves
    20 saves against arsena;
    a grt man city game

    if the defense is not confident with the man behind them then they would never be confident against any keeper

    almunia, vds, chec are good keepers

    have u ever seen fabregas, scholes, tevez,ballack,makelelli coming to collect the ball from keeper??? yes they always come to take the ball help the defense out

    have u ever seen butt coming back to help his defense, or grremi??
    never they are expert in giving away free kicks or pass it to opposition near our penalty area

    so he has no option but to kick it forward coz the defenders are followed by strikers

    last season harper looked good coz he had guys like barton doing the running

    let barton and jonas come in look at how he is organized

    and about him requesting a transfer, he wanted first team football…..
    coz he is an international goalie, for a goalie to be selected he needs to play regularly at club level…..

    how is that wrong????

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  • Paul:D

    Oct 28, 2008 at 6:44 PM

    Comment #21

    john shutup you fool

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  • Brazilian Geordie

    Oct 28, 2008 at 6:44 PM

    Comment #22

    Honestly, I must say that I have been asking myself a long time why Saint Given is not the captain… still with no answer.

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  • Paul:D

    Oct 28, 2008 at 6:49 PM

    Comment #23

    its not wrong, im just sayin harper deserves more respect and deserves the position as he wants it at this club no matter what…not just first team football at any club, when he is as good, if not better than given

    and penalty saves, every keeper makes penalty saves, incase u havnt notuices, 99% of the time given goes the wrong way, 20 saves against arsenal…if you get that many shots on target, alot of keepers will make 20 saves, a great game against man city…he let goals in
    harper keeps more clean sheets than given, fact…i dont care how many saves…what they do..how good they are at shot stopping, if you dont let goals in, you are guarenteed at least one point….which is better than the 0 poitns we usually egt with given in goal..so accept the fact your wrong…and shut the fork up

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  • Nick

    Oct 28, 2008 at 6:59 PM

    Comment #24

    KRUL is better than Given and Harper put together. Way more commmanding on crosses, quick with distribution and vocal. He should have been first choice for a while now.

    No way should Given be captain. Just not loud ad communicative enough.

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  • CHUCK

    Oct 28, 2008 at 6:59 PM

    Comment #25

    How quickly we forget !
    Given over time has been the single reason we managed to stay in games through his great goaltending.
    It`s a shame that he gets more praise throughout the league than from his own fans.
    Listen to yourselves, if both Pele and Maradonna were playing for the club, you whingers would find something to criticise.
    For Ch***t sake, stop picking on teammembers and get behind them, enough with the negativity.

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  • Brazilian Geordie

    Oct 28, 2008 at 7:09 PM

    Comment #26

    Oh, God. I just can’t believe you’re criticizing Shay. He’s by far my greatest idol in the club at the moment.

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  • neeraj

    Oct 28, 2008 at 7:16 PM

    Comment #27

    back after a short firing the cracker break……

    hello john
    happy diwali
    how was ur diwali????

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  • Paul:D

    Oct 28, 2008 at 7:16 PM

    Comment #28

    nick not sure about krul as he is still young and inexperienced but int he future iw ill agree, and i agree on your reasons why shay shouldnt be captain
    im not bein negative im just sayin he should be treated like the any other players and not special and should be dropped, hes been rubbish this season and shouldnt be no.1
    you wont find me whingin about barton..martins…xisco..nzog..duff..taylor…colo..and alot of the other players, just the 1s that deserve to be dropped, i.e given, butt, gremi and i treat each player as an equal tot he next

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  • raghav

    Oct 28, 2008 at 8:08 PM

    Comment #29

    Given is supreme .Nobody can match his loyalty & charisma.Who can play 400 games for a single club with such a fine record.and if we are going to loose the game it will be because of taylor and ameobi

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  • raghav

    Oct 28, 2008 at 8:09 PM

    Comment #30

    happy deewali neeraj

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  • reillers

    Oct 28, 2008 at 8:58 PM

    Comment #31

    My posts aren’t posting ffs.

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  • reillers

    Oct 28, 2008 at 9:04 PM

    Comment #32

    Paul, Toongoat.
    Harper’s a great lad. But there’s a reason why manager after manager, year after year he’s been kept on the bench.

    Now Harper had a great chance to take the no.1 jersey off wee Shay in the summer, Harper had been in very good form, Shay had been injured and when he did play he wasn’t fully it, and Keegan wasn’t there long enough to have preferences, but he didn’t, because Given wanted it more. He fought harder and longer then Harper. That, (and skill) pushed Given well be on Harper. The same drive and determination that knocked Bonner off the top on the Irish side.

    You say he makes over dramatic saves, mate I’m telling ya, there’s only one thing in his mind when a ball comes flying at him and it’s not….how can I make this save look better then it is. It’s trying to keep the ball out.
    Half of the spectacular saves he makes are point blank saves, saves he doesn’t have time to think, he’s unreal reflexes and agility and reactions. But he doesn’t have time to make them look dramatic, and even if he wanted to, he doesn’t have time or motiviation to, if he was Cech and got just one save to make in a match then I might believe, maybe he thinks oh I’ll make this look good, but he’s constantly bombarded by shots. He doesn’t have time, even if he wanted to but all he wants is to keep the ball out.
    There was nothing that looked good when he got crushed, literally, by Harewood or with his head against Bramble. He does what he has to do and we shouldn’t question him.
    The fact that you say he doesn’t do his job is both ridiculous and insulting. Count the rewards, count MOTM trophies and ravings by the likes of Fergie and Wenger.

    1)A small part of the keepers job is to an extent organise the defence, in frees and corners and such, but for the rest, he’s not responisble for Taylor’s or Colocini’s actions. For the rest of it, the organinsing he should be doing is get the fuck out of my way, organising.
    Mother Theresa, Schmichael, Cehc, Buffon, none of them could make Newcaslte’s defence stable. He can’t exactly go out of goal and shouldn’t have to, and go over and take Taylor’s hand and say you stay here. It’s not his job, it shouldn’t be.
    2) That’s old school, you’re not supposed to catch the ball anymore, well, to an extent. But when there’s a question mark over it, you punch instead of trying to catch. It’s safer, more secure. It’s what they are told to do and it’s been common in the game for a few years now.
    3)The basics better, like what, stop shots, catch??
    4)Given doesn’t give the ball away, the players that get it to.
    5)Harper is toon through and through, but Shay’s an adopted Geordie, maybe if Harper started maybe he’d be in the English squad. But you can’t question Shay’s passion and commitment. It’s his passion that got him the No.1 shirt in the summer, and loyalty to why he stayed in this team, when he could have walked into Arsenal’s or Man U’s starting 11. Given’s passion and talent and character is the same reason why he’s up there with the status of Shearer and Keegan. He’s the only one who’s up there with them. No other player on the team comes close. There’s Given, daylight, then everyone else.
    6) He is bigger, true, but that’s never stopped him. He’s weaker on set pieces because of his height but only fractionally. There’s nothing he can do about that.
    7)Given gives honest comments to the media, honest and honest alone, it just happens that there are more bad things happening at this club then positives. He doesn’t give a negative affect to the team, he gives the opposite he’s the most respected players in the dressingroom along with Harper and what he feels tends to be the gerenal feeling. If you think you can’t win, you wont win..aren’t his comments usually after the game, and when you say that, in this case, it’s like saying, if I say I can fly doesn’t mean I can actually fly.
    8)Statistics can be made to show anything, but Harper has played a hell lot less games then Given, and circumstances most be taken into an extent.
    9) Harper again plays a hell lot less games then Given, and Given plays really well consistantly, all the time, he’s our best consistent player we have. One season when Shay was injured, he kept us up a few points. Given has kept us up and in it, year after year, match after match, he just did for a little while what Given does all the time.

    Mate Harper’s a good lad and would have the no 1 jersey in a lot of other clubs, but there’s a reason he’s been on the bench for years.

    And Toon Goat, oh aye, Given’s the real problem in our defence, Bramble really is world class and Taylor oustanding..are ye the same posters by any chance??

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