Second Half Tactics Almost Cost Newcastle The Game


Manager Joe Kinnear was disappointed that Newcastle had not gone further ahead after a dominant first-half performance where they were pushing forward all the time.

Joe Kinnear – bad call at half time

But after thinking we would stroll it in the second half, we didn’t and seemed to give the initiative away to WBA, who nearly took full advantage of the change in tactics, and threatened to equalize too many times for comfort.

Joe Kinnear said after the game:

“I thought we played exceptionally well in the first half and created numerous chances, but I was disappointed that we didn’t take them,”

“If our final ball had been that much better we’d have had more goals on the score sheet than we actually did.”

Kinnear admitted he had chosen to close down the game in the second half, and we think that was a big mistake, because it stops the lads from playing the way they were winning the game.

It also hands the initiative to the opposition, and our defense is not strong enough to hold out, as Joe obviously wanted, with the score at 2-0. One goal and West Brom were right back in it, and yes it was a sloppy goal to give away. We should not try to hold onto games – well not at home anyway.

Joe continued:

“It was like the devil and the deep blue sea – it was a choice whether we go for it or hold on to what we have. I decided to hold on to what we had.”

“I was disappointed in some respects in the goal that we conceded, but it’s three points and that’s what we really wanted today.”

“It was a massive game, especially after the disappointment against Sunderland. The only way we can repay the fans is to win matches, and that’s exactly what we’ve done.”

We’re not going to be too critical of Joe, because the only thing we needed last night was a win, and we got it – that’s the most important thing right now. And Joe has 5 points out of his 4 game sin charge.

But against Aston Villa next Monday night, we will have to go full out and attack for the 90 minutes, they’re just too good for us to just hold on to any lead.

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35 comments so far

  • skin d

    Oct 29, 2008 at 9:18 AM

    Comment #1

    for the last three games joe,s tactics are costing us dear,only by the grace of god did we hang on last night.
    i,ve noticed in the last couple of games we are out of steam by the 58min mark.
    joe doesn,t make changes until the 70min mark in that time frame the oppostion have done damage to us.
    some of joe,s substitutions are also baffling at times.

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  • Mark-O

    Oct 29, 2008 at 9:24 AM

    Comment #2

    Steven Taylor need to learn not to try and be the hero all the time. He thinks he’s roy of the rovers!!!

    Why let the ball bounce or let the defender turn on him?? Its coz he thinks if he puts in a hollywood tackle then the fans will lift him onto their shoulders. JUST SHIFT IT AWAY.

    The lads went missing 2nd half and any other team would have mullered us.

    Wonder what reception Milner will get monday??

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  • Timberhead Toon

    Oct 29, 2008 at 9:32 AM

    Comment #3

    We should have just gone with the same tactics as the first half. Jonas tired and we should have gone with the Zog and not Geremi and in the 87 minute telling the lads to play the ball into the corner was just rediculous I can understand to a point protecting Martins But it appeared that Xisco had been told not to get carried away up front and hung around alot in the midfield.

    Need to sort it for Monday or we are nackered.

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  • Len

    Oct 29, 2008 at 9:46 AM

    Comment #4

    Fair point. If you want to close out a game you need someone up front who is mobile and can hold the ball up and bring on a midfield for the other striker. Particularly so if one of your midfield isnt match fit and one of the others cant run. Leaving someone on with pace keeps their defence honest. I cant see how Xisco for Martins achieved anything. My call Zog for Ameobi. Maybe Geremi if either Spider or Joey are desperate.

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  • adam

    Oct 29, 2008 at 9:46 AM

    Comment #5

    joe kinnear had no clue what to do. i was screaming at the tv telling him to make changes before they scored. enrique was poor, ameobi tired as the game went on. nzogbia shouldve come on and i have no idea why he isnt playing.
    duff had a great game

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  • Len

    Oct 29, 2008 at 9:47 AM

    Comment #6

    Milner deserves a polite round of applause.

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  • Joey's going to get you!!(GG7)

    Oct 29, 2008 at 9:50 AM

    Comment #7

    i would go as far as saying that jonas is the best winger in this league

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  • Joey's going to get you!!(GG7)

    Oct 29, 2008 at 9:53 AM

    Comment #8

    ameobi was immense last night

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  • Toon Chicken

    Oct 29, 2008 at 10:00 AM

    Comment #9

    Ameobi makes far too many mistakes to be seriously considered as a Premiership fottballer. There are much better players in the lower leagues.

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  • TANat

    Oct 29, 2008 at 10:04 AM

    Comment #10

    both Duff and Ameobi were superb last night, what were those tactics? i mean you’re strolling to a good win against a side which appears low on confidence tell them to go out and put them to the sword for the fans. instead you end up putting all the fans and the team under needless pressure. i think that this just goes to show that even though he is an “OK” manager JFK is not the man to take the toon forward.

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  • Rob

    Oct 29, 2008 at 10:09 AM

    Comment #11

    Jonas, duff were great, best midfield we have had for 2 yrs probably.

    substituions were poor, should have left Martins on instead of ameobi, should have brought on zog instead of geremi.

    with barton running out of steam we had no pace whatsoever for the last 15mins, nearly cost us, also should have looked at bassong for enrique in final 20 minutes, he was having a tough time with that miller, basson might have handled him a bit easier, and miller has the big threat after he came on over on the right side (played over ther eon purpose to match up with enrique)

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  • lesh

    Oct 29, 2008 at 10:13 AM

    Comment #12

    Sure Rob (11) we would’ve had more attacking options available doing what you’d suggested. Something JK’s learned I hope!

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  • geordie jock

    Oct 29, 2008 at 10:16 AM

    Comment #13

    This was almost a replay of saturday decent 1st half and crap 2nd. We have had so many injured players coming back over the last few games that they have tired in the 2nd half as they are still not fully fit. Thought Barton was excellent why do we persevere with Damion Duff he is so predictable and absolute crap.

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  • ginkoh

    Oct 29, 2008 at 10:17 AM

    Comment #14

    Don’t even think you will try to hold on for Aston Villa especially at St’james Park. You’re the man,aren’t you Joe? If we win let’s make we feel we deserved it. Not for you’re lucky to win it !

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  • Rob

    Oct 29, 2008 at 10:19 AM

    Comment #15

    I think Duff is playing the best he had since we signed him, pacy and beating players with ease when running with the ball. Just the final ball needs improving.

    that was a issue last night the final ball was not great, could have been 4-0 up if is was.

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  • Timberhead Toon

    Oct 29, 2008 at 10:28 AM

    Comment #16

    Duff and Jonas were great last night Barton was till he ran out of steam.

    I’d have swapped Taylor for Bassong not Enrique

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  • Ganiyu

    Oct 29, 2008 at 10:34 AM

    Comment #17

    I cant blame bassong for last weeks defeat but i blame shola for missing chances

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  • african-kenya-ronniezog

    Oct 29, 2008 at 10:47 AM

    Comment #18

    this jfk is just boring and useless can’t wait for a new appointment.
    Why-Geremi-when-Zog-is-on-the-bench??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

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  • Rob

    Oct 29, 2008 at 10:49 AM

    Comment #19

    I also thought Taylor was poor last night, went completly missing as cover for the through ball that lead to the goal. However the threat in th elast 10 minutes came from the big Miller who was placed on enrique, who did not cope that well. the pace and power of bassong would have been the move to counter this.

    Enrique a fairly decent game though

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  • ToonRich

    Oct 29, 2008 at 10:59 AM

    Comment #20

    ToonChicken, how can you slate Shola off that much. Granted he makes some very daft mistakes on the ball, but last night he won pretty much everything in the air, he was peeling of to the wing and taking on the wingback, who he made look incapable on a couple of occassions! Yes his decision making and final ball need improving still, but he’s getting better by the game imo.

    We need to attack Villa, or they will kill us with every attack they have. I think Beye&Bassong will be needed to keep the shackles on Ash.Young and Milner(if the latter plays of course!)…If we can defend from the front and score more like the good’ol days then we’ll be fine 😀

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  • Teazy

    Oct 29, 2008 at 11:36 AM

    Comment #21

    Joe Kinnear is not the answer. He is short on tactics and looked helpless on Saturday and yesterday. Dont get me wrong I like the Guy, but we need a quality manager to get us out of the mess we are in. We are still teetering on the brink, our performances are well below what we are capable of and relegation is still a very real possibility.

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  • DanToon

    Oct 29, 2008 at 12:06 PM

    Comment #22

    v Villa

    ………………..Given

    Baye Bassong Coloccini Enrigue

    ………Jonas Guthrie Duff

    ……………….Barton

    ………….Owen Martins

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  • Punk Skunk

    Oct 29, 2008 at 12:15 PM

    Comment #23

    Perspective required!..

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  • Punk Skunk

    Oct 29, 2008 at 12:16 PM

    Comment #24

    Agree with that team Dan, except Harper for Given!..

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  • It Could Be Worse, We Could Be Spurs! (DC)

    Oct 29, 2008 at 12:23 PM

    Comment #25

    For everyone claiming that Duff was awesome last night, I ask you where their goal came from?

    I think it was Ed who claimed it was Colo’s slip that let them in but if you rewind the tape it is none other than Duffer who needlessly looses the ball high up the field when he and others were well out of position.

    Why were they out of position? b/c they were busting a gut to get open on the counter attack? Why did Duff try to take on the player instead of playing the simple pass? b/c he thinks he’s better than everyone else on the team. Why didn’t he beat his man? b/c his legs are shot and he aint beating no one for pace anymore.

    I hate to be so critical b/c there were parts of his game that were commendable but until he starts cutting out these COSTLY mistakes and starts playing for the TEAM I will continue to slate him.

    Bring in Zoggy from the cold JK, you clueless Bafoon.

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  • Dave

    Oct 29, 2008 at 12:28 PM

    Comment #26

    Makes me laugh when someone says a player had a bad game but then admits to watching it on tv.

    Enrique had a good game and look a lot better than Bassong did in the previous game.

    It was obvious that a change of tactics had been put into play at half time and it could of and should have back fired on us.

    We should never play like that at home against a team like WBA we should be attacking non stop. I think if we had done we would have won 3 or 4 nil instead of hanging on.

    Barton was superb 1st half as was Spiderman but they both tired in the 2nd but thats understandable.

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  • Dave

    Oct 29, 2008 at 12:31 PM

    Comment #27

    Have to also make the point that Martins was hopless….again

    And can’t understand the idiots who boo every time he gets substituted.

    There are some right plonkers in the ground, honestly think Martins could stand on the corner flag for 90 minutes and some fans would boo him if taken off……idiots

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  • olly_lb

    Oct 29, 2008 at 12:35 PM

    Comment #28

    punk skunk…..

    don’t agree with your harper for given change both cracking keepers, not much between them on anything except, harpers insistence on taking a touch before kicking it worries me…… the pace of villas forwards could put him under pressure if they charge him down e.g zaki against agger! Given although not the best kicker in the league is far more confident than harper on backpasses

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  • Punk Skunk

    Oct 29, 2008 at 1:45 PM

    Comment #29

    Olly,
    it’s more to do with Shay’s insistence on kickin’ the ball back to the oppo at every opportunity, he hardly ever rolls the ball out to defenders…&
    he tends to come off his line & stand on the 6 yard line, invitin’ lobs, chips etc…
    …Check the last 10/15 games goals against!..

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  • JJ

    Oct 29, 2008 at 1:47 PM

    Comment #30

    Ameobi still no good enoughbut playing better…

    JK’s tactical ability is terrible, his substitutions really have no thought behnd them but negativity.

    I want this line up:

    ————————-Given—————————

    Beye———-Colo————Bassong——Enrique

    Jonas———Guthrie——-Barton———–Duff

    —————Martins———Ameobi—————–

    Bring on Zog for Duff or Jonas on 65mins and Ranger for Ameobi on 75mins. Give Owen I run out too for the last 10mins…

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  • Punk Skunk

    Oct 29, 2008 at 2:10 PM

    Comment #31

    Yes JJ, stick with that outfield team…We need continuity of team selection from now on, so the team can properly gell!..

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  • Losing the love of Premierleague

    Oct 29, 2008 at 5:41 PM

    Comment #32

    I thought Duff was very average. his final ball was poor and it was his mistake which led to the goal.

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  • CHUCK

    Oct 29, 2008 at 7:43 PM

    Comment #33

    Have to agree on second half tactics, when you have em on the ropes keep attacking, we are not an Italian team that can shut a game down, nor do I want to watch that style of play.
    As for Geremi instead of N`Zog, that should be obvious, a veteran who can play defence as oppsed to an attacking midfielder.
    It is a general concensus that Duff was outstanding and Shea kept us in the game,
    still they have their detractors, do I sense an anti Irish bias perhaps.
    To blabe Duff for the oppositions goal is stetching it, its obvious Colo. was caught out,
    hey it happens.
    Both joey and Jonas showed signs of rust and tired late in the game, only to be expected.
    The lesson learned from this game is, this team cannot play in a purely defensive role , plus the fact we are really short of both bodies and to a degree talent.
    It`s Going to be a long season if the best we can do is scrape by the West Broms of this league.

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  • ron_kasorga

    Oct 30, 2008 at 6:44 AM

    Comment #34

    Two players should be out and stay in the bench are TAYLOR and BUTT !!!!!!

    Taylor never learn !!!! Sell him to another club. Butt always gives away freekick and cant move forward !. Centre back should be the 2 C’S ….Cacapa and Colo with Beye and Bassong on the flanks.

    Midfield …..Barton, Guthrie, Jonas, Duff/N’Zogbia.

    Frontmen….Martins/Ameobi/Xisco..give him a chance….MO send him back to where he belongs.

    Rest my case.

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  • ariel7

    Oct 30, 2008 at 9:30 AM

    Comment #35

    keep on pumping long balls to Ameobi as we always do in the 2nd half (for the last 3 games) should not be an option… JK should pull Ameobi out after 10min in the second half and let Geremi be a defensive midfielder to cover the back four. Martins should play as a lone striker while Jonas and Duff to attack from the flanks. Bring in Zoggy when on of them is tired.

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