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Newcastle In Complete Mess For January Transfer Window

11:23 am, Saturday, November 8th, 2008 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 48 Comments

There was good reason to have the sale of Newcastle United completed by mid-December at the latest, although it now looks to be delayed by as much as 4 weeks beyond that date.

Michael Owen – could leave club in January

One reason is to get our act together for the January transfer market. But if a new manager is brought in now,  he will have no time at all to assess the squad, and would have to take input from Chris Hughton, Dennis Wise. Joe Kinnear and others  – even if the last two are no longer at the club

Not a good situation.

The other reason is that we have players whose contracts run out in the summer, and these include our captain Michael Owen, and local goalkeeper Steve Harper. Come January other clubs can talk to them, and the players can then sign pre-contract agreements and move in the summer as free agents, and could even move for small fees in January, if Newcastle elects to do that (whoever Newcastle is in that sentence).

Michael Owen will be linked with all types of teams every day, if his situation is not resolved before the beginning of January, and it looks almost certain now that it cannot be.

And even if Michael would have been willing to stay at Newcastle, and he certainly made those noises when Keegan was at the club, he will now be inundated with lucrative offers from clubs who can buy him for nothing in the summer, and for a minimal fee – maybe £5M in January.  Something Newcastle wanted to avoid.

Michael has already been linked with a move to Chelsea, but Kinnear does not think that Luiz Felipe Scolari will be alone in his interest, and Joe expects plenty of bids to flow into the club very soon for Owen.

And what are the Newcastle Board doing about all of this?   Nothing that we can see, as they are solely concentrating on selling the club, and Joe seems to be running the club all on his own, and has been since he came.

Joe said yesterday:

“Of course, it’s understandable that other clubs are interested,” “He’s a 28-year-old who has bags of ability and can score goals so there must be dozens who want him.”

“He will be spoilt for choice. I think Michael is probably in the best position, better than the position the club are in. Michael can’t lose.”

“I know what I would say to him if I keep the job – ‘Stay here’. But I have no idea who may come in.” “Who’s to say it won’t be Manchester United, Liverpool…anybody.”

The terrible situation the Newcastle club finds itself in, is that we cannot even make Michael a contract offer, because we are waiting for new owners to come in, who will likely bring in a new manager.  So we cannot even tell Michael much at all about what he can expect if he stays at the Newcastle club.

This is hardly Michael’s fault, but complete incompetence of the Newcastle Board, who we were told yesterday do still exist – because they are still drawing their salaries – but you could have fooled us.

You really have to try very very hard to mess up a situation as much as the Board has over these last few months – a lot of effort had to go into it (yes that’s cynicism).   :(

It’s called being absoutely and completely incompetent, and the only man who seems to be worried about all of this is Joe Kinnear. Of course since Mike Ashley and the Newcastle board never say anything to the fans, and it seems to Joe either, we have no idea what they are thinking, which only makes things worse.

And since Newcastle right now is Joe Kinnear, it’s a terrible situation that Joe finds himself in, because he himself may not even be at the club after mid-January.  You cannot make this stuff up – it’s so bad -and it’s hard to imagine how the situation has come down to this.

What a complete and utter mess we’re in, at least as far as the transfer season is concerned.

Please sell the club quickly Mike Ashley – and even do the unthinkable and reduce your price, if that will get a quicker sale of our club.



Tags: Michael Owen · Newcastle News · Steve Harper · Transfer News and Rumours



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48 responses so far ↓

  • 1 the kaiser // Nov 8, 2008 at 11:37 AM

    OWEN STILL OWES US A SEASON BUT U CANNOT BLAME HIM IF HE JUMPS SHIP! I’D LIKE T THINK HE HAS SOME LOYALTY CONSIDERING THE WAGES WE’VE GIVEN HIM…BUT OTHER CLUBS CAN OFFER THAT TOO…WE R GONNA SEE IF HIS HEART IS WITH US OR JUST HIS WALLET??

  • 2 simon376 // Nov 8, 2008 at 11:39 AM

    Just hope something can happen by very early Jan. Still be a bit late but as long as we have 3 weeks to play with, might not be so bad.

    You never know, the new owners might be there by december, just need to go through the red tape. If that’s the case, maybe they could start going for targets and giving out new contracts as Jan window opens

  • 3 The Entertainers // Nov 8, 2008 at 11:43 AM

    Our season could be / has been destroyed by 2 transfer windows!

    I hate the window and think it should be removed, but thats another argument.

    At the end of the day Ashley etc knew the rules and how the system works.
    Appartently 20 million was there to spend and wasnt touched. Now Jan’ is approaching i am presuming the 20 million is still there plus extra for Jan. However with Ashley now looking to sell and the purse will close. Leaving us with a depleated squad, which may get weaker and little chance of quality coming the other way, whilst Ash is still here.

    The man ruined our season and seems happy to sit still until he has ruined the club!

    Am i bitter, too bloody right.

  • 4 tino97 // Nov 8, 2008 at 11:45 AM

    If the situation stays the same will Ashley release any money for transfer, will any players want to come in that situation? If the club is sold in December or early January. Do we appoint a new manager. I would like Joe to stay for at least the end of the season. But will the new owners want their own man to splash the cash. It could be the same situation as Ashley and Fat Sam. Also I have my worries can JFK attract the players Keegan could?

  • 5 KK FOREVER (Ross) // Nov 8, 2008 at 11:47 AM

    the kaiser-Owen has cost us a mindblowing amount of money in comparison to the amount of football he’s actually played for us. Obviously come Jan every club under the sun will be interested in taking him, but after the way he’s spoken about us, i’d be unimpressed if he upped and went.
    I understand there’s a good chance he will, but at the end of the day he’s our captain, and we’re a mess at the minute like, the last thing you want is your apparent leader just deserting you for a top four club. However, he most probably will, and there’s nothing we can really do about it.
    If im honest, i dont want to see him go. The goals he scores for us are too vital. There are chances he gets that you know he’s going to scoring, without doubt. Give those chances to oba, shola, smith (lol), viduka (never gonna see him again) and you’ve got a 40/60 chance of us finding the net.
    I just dont know if we could find a striker who could do the same job for..well..really cheap, because ashley isnt gonna spend is he. He’ll be happy to let players go, but he’s not gonna throw a penny at the club to strengthen up.
    We’re absolutly screwed for Jan, i cant see any players coming in.
    Leeds said they were still in shock about the enquiery we made about fabien delph. Apparently the reply they gave us wasnt exactly the most polite, basically telling us we were taking the P if we thought we could have him for what must have been a pathetic price we offered.

  • 6 simon376 // Nov 8, 2008 at 11:49 AM

    Dont think JFK could attract them tino. As much as I think we should maybe find some sort of role for him, I don’t think he’s the way forward. To be fair, if he wasn’t offered the top job, would he want to stay anyway, don’t think I would if I were him. He’s done enough to be noticed again and I hope he gets a good job somewhere.

  • 7 tino97 // Nov 8, 2008 at 11:55 AM

    Simon.. Good point.But as the takeover looks like happening in the next month or so! Would you get rid of him before the January window or give him till the end of season? I’m sure the players and staff would be happy having him till the end of the season. Probably just getting used to him. Plus they have had enough instability in recent times.

  • 8 David Elliston // Nov 8, 2008 at 12:00 PM

    if owen is 2 go in jan, i think chelsea then as a positive we must want sumthing like owen for bridge plus ivanovic or alex on loan for rest of season
    that would be great oba and owen are same and im all for improvement else where. Leave oba and ameobi up front

  • 9 simon376 // Nov 8, 2008 at 12:00 PM

    I would like to hang on to him in some postion Tino. Just don’t think the new owners will want him as manger. As you said, Ashely was in that postion with big Sam and maybe if he had just got rid of him earlier, things may have been differnt for us as in league postion anyway last season. I just thin a new owner will want their own man. But yes, stability is a must and if the players are happy, that’s whats important

  • 10 the kaiser // Nov 8, 2008 at 12:03 PM

    kk forever… i couldnt agree more owen is the pic of the bunch him and martins are blatantly world class and streets ahead of the rest up front . I want nothing more than to see him stay and be one of the greats but I dont think he feels the pull of the club…i hope i’m completely wrong but I have the feeling a half decent club with in the uefa cup or have league ambitions(villa, city etc) come in with a good offer…he is looking at the last 4-5 years at the top of his career.. I think he wants more for himself than what we can offer him. like i say i hope i’m wrong…time will tell though.

  • 11 Out // Nov 8, 2008 at 12:04 PM

    Out!

  • 12 KK FOREVER (Ross) // Nov 8, 2008 at 12:08 PM

    the kaiser-if he ended up going to a team who we in theory should be competing with, stayed fit and started scoring bagloads of goals for fun, i dont really know how i’d react, probably cry,lol.

  • 13 Cyprus-Toon // Nov 8, 2008 at 12:11 PM

    Correct me if I’m wrong but when Ashley put the club up for sale, didn’t he state in the fanancial term that the team is worth £100m, which includes Owen, so if Owen & others leave, that mean the team isn’t worth as much, so Ashley would need to sell the club & all for much less, yes???
    So it’ll be in his best interest to keep those players at the club or lose out on extra money he would have gotten with them there!!!!

  • 14 Ausgeordie // Nov 8, 2008 at 12:18 PM

    Owen has been going for a while. I don’t think it will be that bad for us. He is not great value and even though he could change a match he is not in enough to warrant his massive wage.

    A lot of teams could pay 5 mill for him but how many can afford to keep him. Not even Chelsea will offer him $105,000 a week at this stage so he knows he is better off staying put until the end of the window or new management come in and make his contract a better one.

    There are good strikers like Scott McDonald who we could get Viduka too talk too thanks to the aussie connection. I doubt he is getting paid that much at celtic and is certainly used to the cold. A good offer might tempt him. I think we could get bent on the cheap if tottenham move for arshavin. A perfect replacement for Owen would be Tevez. We cant offer him the trophies but we can link him up with half his argentine team and give him first team football and a good wage

  • 15 KK FOREVER (Ross) // Nov 8, 2008 at 12:24 PM

    Ausgeordie-scott mcdonald is a good choice, and i’d have him at newcastle i reckon. he seems a good striker with a real eye for goal.
    Dont think spurs would let bent go even if they did get arshavin. Redknapp likes his big men and he’s finding the net, however they do have pavlyuchenko.
    i am sorry however to burst your bubble and say you’re dreaming as far as tevez goes. it would be absolutly amazing, but we havent got a hope in hell of him coming anywhere near us.

  • 16 Punk Skunk // Nov 8, 2008 at 12:34 PM

    Apparently,
    JK was just about to take up a position with the arse, under wenger, to…
    …Talent spot!..

    …So, who knows what he knows about gettin’ good players in…Maybe we just judge him too soon & too harshly?..

  • 17 BT9MAG // Nov 8, 2008 at 12:46 PM

    Aii, the situations looking a bit woeful but then if you take a bit of time and think about the facts we COULD be ok…

    1) Who’s been our star signing this year? Jonas Gutierrez.
    2) How much did he cost? 1-2m in contract pay-off
    3) Who’s signing was it? Wise et al!

    Even if Kinnear has the talent spotting abillity of a sheep turd, we know we’ve got a team who can find the right names for the right price!

    As for Owen – this next season will really force him to show his true colours – over the past season and a half he’s been very pro-newcastle, if he stays here he could be a legend, if he leaves he’ll be known world-over as a disloyal, money grabbing maverick!

  • 18 jacob // Nov 8, 2008 at 12:48 PM

    Does anybody get the impression that Ashley may be asset stripping the club before he does one? Look at the actual amount he’s spent on transfers in his 18 months or so – about 2m! I hope in a strange kind of way that if this is the case, and our best players leave, we’ll be relegated and Ashley won’t even make back what he paid for the club in the first place…there’s a moral in there somewhere about greed!

  • 19 Punk Skunk // Nov 8, 2008 at 12:50 PM

    Na!..

  • 20 Punk Skunk // Nov 8, 2008 at 12:57 PM

    …It doesn’t scan mate…
    …He’s tryin’ to sell, so what would be the point of trashin’ the product?..

    …If, like you say, he’s greedy, he’ll be wantin’ as much as he can get back…He is a businessman!..

    …Just ‘cos we don’t like whats happened, doesn’t mean he’s quite the 5th coloumnist some have decided he is!..That’s just daft!..

  • 21 wilo // Nov 8, 2008 at 12:58 PM

    well i think we should sell owen anyway because he is injury pro how many games has he played for us in the 3 years he as been here plus he get 100.000 aweek wages not good really. i no that he is a top class goel scorer but we are not going to get many games out of him as he is always injured so i think we should sell him in janury to the hightes bider and buy another striker who at least is going to play a full season. but i think owen never really wanted to be here anyway. and as for ashley if he is still here in janury there is no way he will give us mony to spend because he is selling up so there is no way he will splash the cash so it looks like we can forget about new players coming in in jan.

  • 22 Punk Skunk // Nov 8, 2008 at 1:01 PM

    Let’s not DECIDE what’s gonna happen ahead of time!..

    …WE DON’T KNOW!..

    …Hang fire with our fears please!..
    …It’s football season!..

  • 23 BT9MAG // Nov 8, 2008 at 1:13 PM

    Definitely Punk Skunk – I just had a look at our fixtures there…

    Fulham v Newcastle, 3 pts
    Newcastle v Wigan, 3 pts
    Chelsea v Newcastle, 0 pts
    Middlesbrough v Newcastle, 1 pt
    Newcastle v Stoke, 3 pts
    Portsmouth v Newcastle, 1 pt
    Newcastle v Tottenham, 3 pts
    Wigan v Newcastle, 3 pts
    Newcastle v Liverpool, 0 pt

    I don’t think I’m being too ambitious with those points there, giving us 17 more points before the transfer window opens…29 points with Everton in 7th on 15 points so far means we could ‘appear’ very comfortable at christmas and therefore make us a lot more attractive for perspective players.

  • 24 Paul141726 // Nov 8, 2008 at 1:15 PM

    Didn’t Joe state that things will be clearer on the 22nd of November when we play Chelski in London? Has that changed? If so, and the club is still in limbo, all the good that Kinnear has brought about will go up in smoke. Very disappointing.

  • 25 micepie // Nov 8, 2008 at 1:55 PM

    I think that if we can keep all we have – I wouldn’t even loan any players out in January just yet – and add some bargains then we’ll be okay. That’s the scenario if we haven’t got new owners by January.
    Even if MA could put just 5M in the kitty it would help. A couple of shrewd buys and maybe a free or two would give us more options.

  • 26 it coundn't be worse // Nov 8, 2008 at 2:06 PM

    surely the club is worth more w/ Owen on the books? Just give him a one year extension.

    people talking about giving JK the job permanently are giving me case of de ja veux, Roeder anyone? Through the end of the season sure, you can always fire him if Abani wants to bring in Macini ;), but plz no 4 year deal

  • 27 Bill F (Original) // Nov 8, 2008 at 2:24 PM

    I like BT9′s optimism and Punk Skunks realism. Fact is we have a decent squad with some really good kids ready to step up. The recent good run has been sans Owen so even if he goes I wouldn’t lose to much sleep. I think JK is expecting him to leave which is why he seems to be priming us for the event, we really need a spy cam in the board room!! ;)

  • 28 james L // Nov 8, 2008 at 3:13 PM

    ask yourselves where do u find a striker in this credit crunch of a time that is the same quality of micheal owen for 5 million?

    freddy sear ?
    javier saviola ?
    dean ashton ?
    james macfaden ?
    jermaine beckford?
    david nugent?

    most of the above are worth atleast 7-8 million

    5 million is no money if we are selling probs our best player. atleast double it to 10 million before we consider selling him.

  • 29 Geordie69 // Nov 8, 2008 at 3:37 PM

    Owens replacement = Nile Ranger

  • 30 steve // Nov 8, 2008 at 3:57 PM

    Clubs will offer Owen 100k a week if they get him to sign a pre-contract and then join on a free in the summer.

    We’ll have to spend at least 10 – 15 million to get a replacement anywhere near as good

    Bad business from Newcastle yet again

  • 31 sirjasontoon // Nov 8, 2008 at 4:01 PM

    Let Owen go..expensive and always injured that isn’t going to change.

    Get some hungry young strikers from lower divisons and give them a chance to play I am sure.

  • 32 wigaz // Nov 8, 2008 at 4:51 PM

    I agree with you steve, selling Owen would be bad business for the toon! he IS our best striker hands down! Oba is great, fast strong unpredictable but he is also inconsistent, he’s still young so that will come but if Owen is in your team you’d prob bet on him to score. I would love to see a couple of shrewd buys in Jan like Howard from barnsley & possibly Beckford from Leeds? not cost hardly owt & we could ship out knackt has beens (Viduka) and never was’s (Smith). But saying this i cant see any buys in Jan. If Owen Leaves though i think that will be a backward step. Unless We’re bought by rich arabs & they buy Villa as a replacement! now that would kick ass!!!!

  • 33 GeordieKev // Nov 8, 2008 at 5:34 PM

    To think of selling Owen is madness.

    It would cost us a hell of alot of money to replace him, could we even attract a player of Owen’s ability at the club at the moment I think not.

    Cashley is to blame 100 percent

  • 34 Tom_Toon // Nov 8, 2008 at 6:15 PM

    James L, you go abroad.

    I think we need some more attack minded players, maybe get a few cheap ones in. Rescue Castelen from HSV! I seen to mention him every window for the past 4 years! We can get him at a cut-price I recon.

  • 35 Reading Mag // Nov 8, 2008 at 6:16 PM

    Know it sounds daft…..get rid of Owen …sounds like He wants to leave and is so injury prone.

    get a replace, one of many on a huge list let you lot decide who as there is a millon diffrent views

    Then thats it ….. happy with what we have.

  • 36 craig chisholm // Nov 8, 2008 at 7:32 PM

    anyone who thinks letting owen go makes good sense is alas nuts. you have to look at the figures and how much it would cost to replace him – a true world class name. the fact the he is injured often irrelevant to the fact that if he goes we will not replace him at all – why do we care if his salary costs newcastle 100 grand a week – its not our problem, all we should care about is our team, ashley is not interested in our overheads or how much we are struggling so why do we care about his overheads. The wage bill is now much lower and we turn a good profit with owen so why sell when we know he will not be repalaced, it makes no sense for any fan to want owen to leave just for the sake of saving cashley 100k a week – HE WOULD NOT RE-INVEST. we have to remember that in the 18 months that the greedy money driven tosser ashley has had us we have spent just about nothing at all, two or three million net after we take of what we have sold against what we have bought. mostly we have sold and not replaced, just sold for the sheer sake of making cashley money and cutting costs. botom line. if owen goes what do we get??… a one million player out of the coca cola league at best. we would need to spend 15 million to get someone close to owens ability and name in world standing. ashley has proven that to do that, we would need to sell players to the value of what he plans to buy. owen going would be a massive mistake.

  • 37 Witters // Nov 8, 2008 at 7:45 PM

    I think Owen owes us another season…and an injury free one at that!

    If the club isn’t sold soon i say invest in January, give JFK a chance & see how things pan out….i can’t see changing managers again doing us any good…lets have some goddamn consistency for almost a whole season!! that in itself is a step forward….

  • 38 Canada willie // Nov 8, 2008 at 7:53 PM

    What sort of salary does Lambsarse make as a Director.

    I cannot believe that he has done or said anything that would benefit the club. The Fraud Squad should be after him for false pretenses.

    The guy is a joke, my dog speaks more than he does.

  • 39 mikeygd // Nov 8, 2008 at 8:02 PM

    its down to his mrs if he leaves or not, we all know the mrs decides all!

  • 40 Toon Graeme // Nov 8, 2008 at 9:10 PM

    Here is a point – any potential buyer worth their grain of salt will have to know info about who the team are and best players etc and the clubs major assetts. MO is our biggest so maybe just maybe they will agree subject to MO being kept on board with lucrative contract.

    A speculative guess…..

  • 41 CHUCK // Nov 8, 2008 at 9:24 PM

    Yeah its a mess, cant say i will be sorry to see Owen leave though, never seemed to fully integrate here or show any real passion for the team.
    I`ts my opinion Martins is a better player in which case why do we need two little guys who cant play to gether, better to let him go with his exorbitant wages and permanent sick note.
    Unfortunately looks like Viduka is f****d so cant expect any help from him, we should be looking at young prospects to play alongside Martins.
    This may all be moot if the team is not sold soon
    and no one is brought in during the window , the club could face an exodus of players looking for stability, with relegation the result.
    This in turn will reduce the value of the club and make it less attractive to prospective buyers combined with a massive loss in earnings.
    Perhaps a somewhat negative overview but certainly a possibility.

  • 42 selly no skill // Nov 8, 2008 at 9:44 PM

    not worth selling for 5 mill in jan.its worth more to us to keep him until end of season.we need to give ourselves every chance of staying up.a lot more than 5 mill to ashley and us.if he goes in the summer for nothing,then everyone will see how greedy he is.but at least we might be in a better position to replace him by then.

  • 43 Turkish Magpie // Nov 8, 2008 at 10:48 PM

    Viduka+Owen+Martins= last seasons strikeforce
    Martins + Ameobi = This seasons strikeforce
    Martins+??????+????= next seasons strikeforce

    we can live without Owen, we have been for the past games!

    Ranger-Deserves a chance
    Viduka- will probably sign a new contract and retire here
    Smith- will come good
    Xisco- ????
    Martins- Great!
    Ameobi- Has his days
    Carrol- had his chance

  • 44 Sav // Nov 9, 2008 at 5:58 AM

    If he’s a valuable asset to a dozen other clubs, why should he not be a valuable asset to us? Martins and Owen are both small strikers but there the similarity ends. as he’s already settled, we have surely an advantage over other clubs, even if we aren’t about to win the Champions’ League any time soon.
    Club should offer him a contract for next 3 years. We can always sell him on in a year if he’s not crocked and our squad can get on without Owen by then.

  • 45 Lee Atkinson // Nov 9, 2008 at 9:05 AM

    when will you all realise that this big money owner is not coming the only people to blame if we go tits up in january is ourselves the fans for the reaction to keegan spiiting out his dummy yet again. i for one wasn’t sad to see him pack his bags and if ashley wont spend any money in january then its fans fault for wanting him out im sure he will look a much better owner than when when we get in the consolidation owner that is coming

  • 46 craig chisholm // Nov 9, 2008 at 9:13 AM

    lee atkinson; sorry man you are wrong. please dont start making excuses for cashley not spending a penny this january already. of course he will not spend money, we all know that. its nothing to do with keegan and the fans though.
    ashley has had three transfer windows pass when he was on very very good terms with the fans, three windows when he was loved and respected by most fans (not me i will admit) but what did he spend in those 18 months and three windows?? just over two million net mate. NOTHING. so dont go blaming us for what he will not be doing in january. he has been that way all along, open your eyes Leev- no offense like but thats the truth. bollocks to ashley, he wants prem glory whilst spending championship levels of molney, it does not work out that way – as he is finding out the hard way!

  • 47 Toony // Nov 9, 2008 at 11:47 AM

    to pick up Cyprus Toon’s point that Ashley said the players were wirth £1oom. You would have to say so what? If a new owner sold them and got £100m then how much would they have to spend to replace them? It is a meaningless figure. You have to look at how much more you need to spend to make the team either a regular premiership team (i.e. avoid relegation) or a challenger for a european place (i.e. a much better squad cositng a lot more). Interesting gamble.

  • 48 nu // Nov 16, 2008 at 2:12 AM

    stop going on about just owen what about harps




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