Kinnear Wonders How Newcastle Didn’t Win


Joe Kinnear was left wondering how Newcastle United didn’t get anything from their game at Craven Cottage this afternoon, after Sunday’s 2-1 defeat against Fulham.

Joe Kinnear – not sure how Newcastle didn’t win

Shola Ameobi got his third of the season, and this time he didn’t misgit or slice his shot, and that brought Newcastle level after Andy Johnson’s first-half goal, following a mistake from Claudio Cacapa.

Within a minute of Shola’s goal Joey Barton was denied a second as Mark Schwarzer made a brilliant save low to his left, and turned the ball around the post, the save of the game, from the big Australian.

And then we conceded a penalty when Coloccini brought down Johnson on 65 minutes, and Danny Murphy slotted the ball home nicely.

Joe told nufcTV after the game at Craven Cottage:

“When we got that equalizer I thought it was a matter of when we got the winner and not if,”

“I’m bitterly disappointed to say the least.” “We had a couple of good chances at 1-1 to win it and the penalty has cost us.”

“I thought it was a foul on Cacapa in the build up but it’s no denying it was a pen.” “After that we’ve came back into a little bit and Michael Owen had a good chance.”

“But it’s a huge disappointment and next week’s game against Wigan is now a must-win.”

Our next game is next Saturday against Wigan Athletic, and it is much like last Monday’s game against Aston Villa, a must win game.

But to go to Fulham. who are not playing well, and allow ourselves to be beaten, because of sloppy defensive play, when we gave away not one, but two poor goals, is our own fault, and doesn’t fill us with a lot of confidence.

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58 comments so far

  • shadow

    Nov 9, 2008 at 8:22 PM

    Comment #1

    easy we didn’t deserve 2 win we r sh*te we just need ppl 2 accept it if they don’t nd quickly we r goin down easy as that

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  • AndrewNUFC

    Nov 9, 2008 at 8:25 PM

    Comment #2

    We didn’t win because Owen is a numpty and Cacapa is crap

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  • Sav

    Nov 9, 2008 at 8:29 PM

    Comment #3

    Fulham have a good home record, Ed.
    We looked the better side for about 20 minutes but can’t complain, especially as we got the benefit of an offside goal ourselves.
    Cloudio played in a fog, and whoever said Enrique was a 6.5 million LB was talking Bull.

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  • KK FOREVER (Ross)

    Nov 9, 2008 at 8:34 PM

    Comment #4

    fulham along with chelsea have the best home record as far as conceding goals this season goes i think.
    Either way, we had our chances to get a draw, or had we went ahead first it could have been a different story. but who knows, done and dusted with now.
    Kinnear seemed fuming in the post match interview with setanta like, he was really having to hold back. He wants an apology from the ref and all sorts.

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  • arnie

    Nov 9, 2008 at 8:35 PM

    Comment #5

    Joe should start with his team selection. Cacapa instead of Bassong and Butt instead of Guthrie. Old, tired legs instead of strong, quick youngsters. Hopeless and clueless.

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  • MattyDread

    Nov 9, 2008 at 8:37 PM

    Comment #6

    Fulham beat us because they were better than us. That’s worrying. Especially since we were so good against Villa.

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  • big al

    Nov 9, 2008 at 8:39 PM

    Comment #7

    dont know how joe can say we deserved something apart from a ten minute spell we where crap today no one showed up for us gutted thought we might get something today

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  • Ado

    Nov 9, 2008 at 8:51 PM

    Comment #8

    Arnie, Spot on. Joe Kinnear should look in the mirror first. His team selection, tactics and style of play is why we didn’t win.
    I am staggered that some folk are believing the hype from Ashley and Kinnear about us moving forward, Keegan was wrong, we are all united, we can win the FA cup etc. etc.
    We need all of this rag tag bunch of chancers and spin doctors out of this club ASAP. Start with new owners, new ideas with honesty integrity and a respect for the fans.
    And before anyone starts, I am not advocating bringing KK back, lets move on from here.
    I coach an U15 team, who at the start of the season had 9 supporters of NUFC, saddly there are now 3 of them still supporting the Toon. That speaks volumes about the state NUFC are in, we are losing support at an alarming rate this season from both old and young, things MUST change!

    Howay The Lads!!!

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  • 51times

    Nov 9, 2008 at 8:55 PM

    Comment #9

    big al – Did you miss the second half?

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  • Ryan Peacock

    Nov 9, 2008 at 8:55 PM

    Comment #10

    we was rubbish! and kinnear has to admit that today, but he didnt.

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  • Egar

    Nov 9, 2008 at 8:57 PM

    Comment #11

    Who is Joe Kinnear trying to kid. “When we got that equalizer I thought luck was on our side” would be a proper rant, Joe.

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  • 51times

    Nov 9, 2008 at 8:58 PM

    Comment #12

    Ado – That speaks volumes about glory hunting, not NUFC.

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  • KK FOREVER (Ross)

    Nov 9, 2008 at 9:00 PM

    Comment #13

    Egar-the goal was offside we scored, and we started to pressure from then on, barton took the mid by the scruff of the neck and we were creating chances, for a small time it looked like we could nick a winner-maybe thats what kinnear means by look potentially being on our side?

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  • adam

    Nov 9, 2008 at 9:05 PM

    Comment #14

    i wonder how nzogbia doesnt play more, even at left back. enrique isnt cutting it, too slow.

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  • always keegan

    Nov 9, 2008 at 9:08 PM

    Comment #16

    i tell you why we lost cacapa or shuold isay cacrapa

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  • Ally

    Nov 9, 2008 at 9:10 PM

    Comment #17

    aye thats interesting beyethegreat, looks like we are going to be owned by Americans mate

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  • big al

    Nov 9, 2008 at 9:15 PM

    Comment #18

    51times aye watched it but apart from ten min spell in second half we didnt play today passing was poor we were second best to every loose ball should have had guthrie and zog playing today we needed some energy in the middle of the pitch and u dont get that off butt and duff !

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  • Geordie69

    Nov 9, 2008 at 9:23 PM

    Comment #19

    Dear Joe Kinnear

    Question One

    Your centre half Steven Tayor is injured and your playing against a tall strong centre forward and a very quck centre forward so do u ?

    (A) Play your strong tall quick centre half who has been playing really well and by many a judge should be first choice centre back or do u?

    (B) Play an old slow short centre alf who hasnt had much football?

    Question 2

    Your team is getting beat and your searching for a goal do u?

    (A) Bring off your most creative player? or

    (B) Take off a less attack minded player and replace with Owen or even a forward?

    Joe Kinnear lost us todays game due to his crazy tactics enough said!

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  • Brazilian Geordie

    Nov 9, 2008 at 9:24 PM

    Comment #20

    JK seems like Daniel Craig – greatest Bond ever – in this photograph.

    And by the way, I’m really having problems to post here on the blog. I also want to coment more on the ‘Caçapa’s culpable’ thread but ”submit” simply doesn’t work.

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  • big al

    Nov 9, 2008 at 9:36 PM

    Comment #21

    i like joe think hes done alright up to now but just thought he got it wrong today,should have had bassong on from start guthrie and zog should have come on earlier for butt and duff !

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  • KK FOREVER (Ross)

    Nov 9, 2008 at 9:37 PM

    Comment #22

    Geordie69-gutierrez was sloppy today to say the least. it was his poorest game in the black and white. He wasnt our most creative player today, his passes were falling short alot and he wasnt running at them like usual.
    I think everybody needs to lay off kinnear a little. The man was a hero when we played an attractive style and made villa look average, today he’s the scum of the north east. Its canny fickle, we werent good enough, we made really stupid mistakes, and we lost. its as simple as that.

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  • james L

    Nov 9, 2008 at 9:57 PM

    Comment #23

    id forget about this result as soon as possible lads. we are sh1te away from home and we will be lucky if we pick up more than 10 points on our travels this season. so lets just focus on wigan. If we lose that one then we can get on joe kinear’s back. But kinear has got to get into his mind that guthrie is beta than butt. that decision to not play Guthrie foooked us up in the first half.

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  • King Joe

    Nov 9, 2008 at 10:16 PM

    Comment #24

    After this performance, nothing other than a win on Sat will do.

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  • SuperShearer

    Nov 9, 2008 at 10:45 PM

    Comment #25

    Went to the game this afternoon, we were poor in the first half and easily the better in the 2nd. Cacapa is woeful to say the very least, almost as poor as the Fulham fans, they make no noise at all. Ameobi looked very very lazy in the second half, like he had given up. And JK wasted Martins once Owen was on by playing him on the left wing. All in all Fulham deserved their win as they wanted it more. Think Hodgson outsmarted JK to be honest.

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  • iain

    Nov 9, 2008 at 10:49 PM

    Comment #26

    cacapa cost us that match as one of our ageing donkeys all ways does if its not him it will be butt/geremi/smith doing something stupid.

    simple fact is we dont have enough good players to comsistently put out a team good enough to compete in the pl every week.

    also i think jfk has lost himself the chance to get the job if new owners come in he had to beat fulham and wigan to have any chance of getting the job and failed despite all the good work he has done.

    why bassong/nzogbia/guthrie wernt brought on i will never know, tbh bassong should of started given the pace and power of fulhams strikers, nzogbia should of come on for duff and guthrie for jonas.

    pointless putting owen on when the only thing troubling teams at the minute is the interplay between oba and shola

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  • sirjasontoon

    Nov 9, 2008 at 11:01 PM

    Comment #27

    We are poop.

    We are not even mid table fodder right now…got to be beating the teams around you….we have not got the balls to do that week in week out

    Ashley just sell and end this nightmare.

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  • micknufc

    Nov 9, 2008 at 11:09 PM

    Comment #28

    ive just calmed down,the family have just about removed thier hard hats.
    what the hell were we doing today?when i was leaving the ground on monday night,i thought we had turned the corner…should have known better after 30 year of it..but howay man the prize was there for them man! they looked like we were playing chelsea for the best part of the first half,but when shola notched i thought howay!! but it never really looked like it,joe had a bit of a nightmare today for me like. soon as i knew taylor was crocked..it had to be bassong surely…and as time went on it was screaming for charlie,coz duff was doing nowt.spidey wasnt having great game but to take him off instead of duff was plain wrong….
    a missed chance

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  • brutooooon

    Nov 9, 2008 at 11:39 PM

    Comment #29

    both goals was because of cacapa’s fault

    Guthrie, Zoggy should play a part on the 2nd half.

    Jonas and Duff had hard time taking their full back because both play on their week area..

    Fulham got the tallest defender but he is not the FASTEST, therefore we should play martins on his strength which is his speed. we should play throught ball a lot

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  • Spyro

    Nov 9, 2008 at 11:41 PM

    Comment #30

    Fulham are a good side at home when they work hard and fight for each other, just ask any Arsenal fan. We were just about narrowed out today and were unlucky not to get something from the game. as for Kinnears comments, i wouldn’t read too much into them. He is an experienced man and he knows how to use the media to his own advantage (a certain rant comes to mind). He has blamed the loss on the referee in order to deflect the blame from the players and keep confidence high in the squad for our next game. this is what i personally think anyway.

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  • M. Stockley

    Nov 9, 2008 at 11:52 PM

    Comment #31

    i agree with everyone who questions cacapa selection over bassong….. i thought pensil was good at rb today for fulham and duff jsut couldnt get the better of him, niether could jonas, its at that point you must look at your bench and decide its timetobring on a nippy 22 year old winger- n’zogbia.
    butt was crap- guthrie is better! i’d liketo say barton was our best player imo, he worked hard and had a good crack at goal…. also the fulham support is one of the worse….their fans were virtually silent, our fans were superb as usual!

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  • JoshNufc91

    Nov 10, 2008 at 12:46 AM

    Comment #32

    duffs terrible, absolutely horrid in the last third, so….why would you persist with him when the most attacking player in the team (charlie) is sitting in on the bench? irish pals sticking together maybe?
    thought spidey was crap but only because there was 2/3 players on him every time he got the ball.
    guthrie and charlie should have came on and bassong should of started, owen should have been on erlier and a rocket should have been shoved up oba’s a*se at half time.
    yet none of this happened.
    great coaching joe.

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  • Christoon

    Nov 10, 2008 at 12:54 AM

    Comment #33

    colo was great until the penalty, enrique was a joke. You new wen he had the ball a long inaccurate cross was coming…and why oh why oh why was cacapa in over bassong.

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  • NUFCC

    Nov 10, 2008 at 1:00 AM

    Comment #34

    I think owen needs to start next game. We should play 3 up front if he is too stubborn to drop ameobi. Owen can score anytime of the game and is much more clinical in his finishing and making runs than martins. But also martins can score at any time too. Which leaves out ameobi if we are to play 442 and also butt to be replaced by guthrie. And please guys supporting kinnear means supporting ashley as i know its one of his plans. Dont be surprised come nov 22nd he says he is staying with kinnear incharge.

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  • Christoon

    Nov 10, 2008 at 1:00 AM

    Comment #35

    colo was great until the penalty, enrique was a joke, i;m fed up of seeing him play a good game,feeling hes finaly adjusted only to implode a game later. You new wen he had the ball a long inaccurate cross was coming…and why oh why oh why was cacapa in over bassong. I new he’d become a factor in todays game. With jonas i beleieve the strong winds and dreadful weather may have come as a shock and may have slowed him down etc etc. I havent wanted butt playing for a while, guthrie is only gonna get better, but nicky has had 2 decent games with barton at his side so ive eased up on him a lil. A pretty poor game in all but a win against wigan is stil very possible…IMO 🙂

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  • xfer

    Nov 10, 2008 at 1:36 AM

    Comment #36

    We had Zogbia on the bench, Guthrie who is raring to go. Instead he replaced Jonas with Owen. Would rather take off Ameobi, keep the shape of the team, cos the width has been our asset this season, and bring on Zogbia to bomb the wing, or even Guthrie for Butt to go on the offensive.

    Joe needs to reflect upon himself, bitterly disaapointed with the result, as much as Fulham has a good home record, we had a really good chance to climb the table today, and judging by the performance, we should have nicked this, but Joe screwed it.

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  • clinta

    Nov 10, 2008 at 1:55 AM

    Comment #37

    A quote from Roy at Fulham “We’re trying to keep our feet on the ground and take results like this one with a pinch of salt. We don’t want to go down, but we’ll be hard pushed to get into Europe, that’s for sure.

    a little dig there at us I think, and i also think its quite fair. this is the sort of thing Joe needs to be saying, confidence is good in the game but theres also over confidence and unrealistic self accessment (certainly thing us geordies have from time to time, lol!)

    2 wins with a bit of luck (at home!) and players, fans and managers alike are talking europe, england call ups, top midfield pairings etc…

    well i guess fulhams given us and hopefully Joe and the players another needed wake up call.

    same old same old for the club and a toon fan i guess…………..?

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  • clinta

    Nov 10, 2008 at 1:58 AM

    Comment #38

    clutching at straws with this ‘wasn’t a penalty’ thing really. we were awful and deserved nothing, instead of blaming the ref Joe needs to actually have a look at why we were poor, what went wrong and m,ove to fix it!!!!!

    that would be a much better idea i’m thinking.

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  • Rob

    Nov 10, 2008 at 1:59 AM

    Comment #39

    Thought Fulham got their tactics spot on today. They gave our wingers no room at all, every time the ball went wide to Duff or Jonas they got crowded out. Shame we have no options through the middle to break a team down like that.

    The other option is to switch the ball quickly from wing to wing, but with Butt dithering on his 1st touch and unable to see a long pass that was not going to happen. Guthrie’s quick/accurate passign is needed in CM

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  • amir

    Nov 10, 2008 at 2:41 AM

    Comment #40

    guys i would luv to see zoggy in some role in the game, but with the duff and jfk love affair dont expect to see him anytime soon with jfk at the helm. its a shame too, because he probably our moost skilled attacking mid-fielder

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