FT: Newcastle 2 Wigan 2 – Magpies Throw It Away

This is a game Newcastle should have won, but even when Wigan were reduced to 10 men, when Emmerson Boyce was sent off after 54 minutes, with Wigan 1-0 ahead at that point, we couldn’t quite press home our advantage, and it was another 2 points lost to a team who were level on points with us at the start of the game.

Newcastle had a lack-luster first half, and it took Wigan only 3 minutes to go ahead, when Ryan Taylor sliced the ball into the net beyond a helpless Shay Given, after receiving a pass from Kapo. We just have to improve our defense and start these games strongly.

If Joe Kinnear is still here in January, that has to be one of our priorities, since we cannot give away two goals in almost every game we play.

Newcastle were very poor over the first 30 minutes, and it was all Wigan in the first half, but Newcastle came slowly back into the game in the final 15 minutes of the half, but were still 1-0 down at the half time whistle.

However, as we expected, Newcastle came back in the second half, and then Emmerson Boyce was rather unfairly given his second yellow card, and sent off. TV replays showed that Boyce had indeed won the ball from Ameobi, and probabaly shouldn’t have even been given the foul, let alone another yellow card.

Newcastle fought hard to get back on level terms, and it finally came quite late, after 80 minutes, when Shola Ameobi worked room for himself and shot from 20 yards out. Latics goalkeeper Chris Kirkland could only parry Oba’s left-footed strike, and Michael Owen was onto the loose ball in a flash, and prodded home just inside the 6 yard box.

Then after 87 minutes the incredible happened, when N’Zogbia slipped a forward pass into the run of Oba Martins, and the Nigerian hit an unstoppable right-footed shot into the far corner of the net, and Newcastle were ahead 2-1, with just 3 minutes to go.

But then when we thought the 3 points had been won the defense was again culpable, and Titus Bramble, of all people, headed home De Ridder’s corner after 89 minutes, and the ball went into the net off Damien Duff’s knees.

Then Danny Guthrie hit a tremendous shot which Kirkland blocked well, and the whistle went, and this was 2 points lost for Newcastle. Even though we were hopeless in the first 45 minutes, events conspired for us, and yet we still couldn’t win this game.

You cannot start playing in the Premier league, after 35 minutes have gone by, and it asks a lot of questions about the players this afternoon.

Why did they start so poorly for the second game running, and at home too. They seemed half asleep in the first half.

We seem to leave so much to do in the second-half of our games.

And the defense once again conceded another two goals, and hardly looked secure, and then even when we got our noses ahead in this game, with just 3 minutes to go, we still couldn’t hold out for the win.

Sunderland won their game and are now 2 points ahead of Newcastle, after beating Blackburn 2-1 away from home. Newcastle are now 4th bottom of the league, but if we cannot win home games against Wigan Athletic and 10 men, that hardly augers well for our future.

A crowd of 47,657 was at the game.


Newcastle: Shay Given, Habib Beye, Jose Enrique, Fabricio Coloccini, Sebastien Bassong, Nicky Butt (c), Joey Barton, Jonas Gutierrez, Damien Duff, Oba Martins, Shola Ameobi
Subs: Steve Harper, Michael Owen, Danny Guthrie, Charles N’Zogbia, Geremi, Claudio Cacapa, Andy Carroll

Wigan: Chris Kirkland, Paul Scharner, Maynor Figueroa, Emmerson Boyce, Titus Bramble, Olivier Kapo, Lee Cattermole (c), Antonio Valencia, Wilson Palacios, Ryan Taylor, Henri Camera
Subs: Michael Pollitt, Kevin Kilbane, Michael Brown, Daniel de Ridder, Tomasz Cywka, Tomasz Kupisz, Jonathan Routledge

Referee: Andre Marriner
Attendance: tbc

86 comments so far

  • neeraj- the legend of titus

    Nov 15, 2008 at 5:34 PM

    Comment #1

    of all the ppl it had to be titus


    Nov 15, 2008 at 5:34 PM

    Comment #2

    Why not bring Owen right after the brake? Why replace Jonas and not Duff? I want Steve Bruce as next permanent manager to avoid going down…

  • ToonKing

    Nov 15, 2008 at 5:36 PM

    Comment #3

    i’m sick…..i’d take Souness back in a heart beat right about now…..

  • Keegan Jnr

    Nov 15, 2008 at 5:37 PM

    Comment #4

    Bramble… seriously you couldn’t of written it

  • Keegan Jnr

    Nov 15, 2008 at 5:37 PM

    Comment #5

    Bramble… seriously

  • neeraj- the legend of titus

    Nov 15, 2008 at 5:41 PM

    Comment #6

    i dont understand why we play the waiting game in first half…..
    we have been doing this every game…..
    be it against aston villa or fulham or wigan…..
    are our players not fit enough????

    please kinnear pick the best team next week…..

    beye…….. tayls…………colo…….bassong

    jonas……barton(if fit)…….guthrie……..nzog


    i didnt see the match did owen miss a sitter again….

  • wigaz

    Nov 15, 2008 at 5:43 PM

    Comment #7

    It’s not all bad at least were out of bottom 3. We do need to start games better though i agree. We dont come straight out the traps & go at teams like we should. It’s really frustrating as we do have a talented squad but i really dont know who can get best out of em? if it’s not going to be joe then who else? Sven Bruce Hiddink Van Haall Shearer Curbs? we need to be bought asap before it’s too late & hopefully get one of the above in to run the show. Here’s an interesting question, where would we be now had Harry taken the Job when offered? makes you wonder.

  • spenaldinho

    Nov 15, 2008 at 5:44 PM

    Comment #8

    thank god the rest of the league are beating each ova, its so tight a few wins we can be up ther.and we are to good to go down

  • Alex

    Nov 15, 2008 at 5:45 PM

    Comment #9

    Lets look on the bright side guys at least the Spuds lost and we climbed a place in the league . We where shite today
    Things can only get better .

  • Macas

    Nov 15, 2008 at 5:50 PM

    Comment #10

    If Harry had taken the job we would be in the same situation as he would have walked if Wise and Co had went behind his back

  • nimo

    Nov 15, 2008 at 5:51 PM

    Comment #11

    anyone got a link for chelsea gfame

  • nimo

    Nov 15, 2008 at 5:51 PM

    Comment #12

    anyone got link to chelsea game

  • toon4life

    Nov 15, 2008 at 5:51 PM

    Comment #13

    spenaldinho..nobody is too good to go down..if we were too good to go down we wouldnt be dropping stupid points…
    we needed the win with chelsea next..looks bleak for now.

  • AndrewNUFC

    Nov 15, 2008 at 5:57 PM

    Comment #14

    Just got back. I am gutted, Damien Duff should be shot. We have ourselves to blame. Martins and Owen missed two sitters. Only if Beye had listened to Given for the corner kick, only if Duff wasn’t a idiot, only if Martins and Owen had scored two easy chances.

    Bramble i hate you.

  • Big Dave

    Nov 15, 2008 at 5:57 PM

    Comment #15

    wigaz @ 5 where would we be now had Harry taken the Job when offered?.. where do you honestly think we would be if kk was still here ?? I honestly believe we would be in the top 6

  • ArtyH

    Nov 15, 2008 at 5:58 PM

    Comment #16

    So its one point from an expected six. Ashley had better sell ASAP or we will both be in the shite , him and us.

  • JoshNufc91

    Nov 15, 2008 at 6:02 PM

    Comment #17

    duff man of the match? are the sponsors having a giraffe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    kinnears subs were too late.
    wrong starting line up.
    martins is a class winger.
    anyone got JKF’s number so i can point out the obvious to him?

  • JonnyToon

    Nov 15, 2008 at 6:03 PM

    Comment #18

    The plan still has to be to get Kevin in.

    Everyones been getting sidetracked by Kinnear since hes actually got us some points.

    But Keegan got more last season with a worse squad than this. He didnt lose to a single side outside the top 5 managing us if you look it up…..this season its awful.

    If not get Shearer in….he sounded recently like hed take it if he got the choice.
    Think of the experience, training, leadership he could give to our side…the reputation…the players we could get because of that. Owen would defo stay…our strikers would not be missing like that.

    It would be BLISS.


  • Desmond - DesmondBlog.com

    Nov 15, 2008 at 6:04 PM

    Comment #19

    Let’s face it..we need a new manager and at least 3 new players.

    Kinnear is just too weak to handle such a huge club. Plus, Steve Bruce is brilliant.

    Managers that I hope we will get (realistically) :

    – Rjikaard (high paying salary will lure him)
    – Wenger (hopefully arsenal will sack him :lol )

    I miss the times of Sir Bobby Robson’s reign

  • sirjasontoon

    Nov 15, 2008 at 6:06 PM

    Comment #20

    very poor as per usual.

  • xfer

    Nov 15, 2008 at 6:06 PM

    Comment #21

    Terrible how we lose points to teams that we really shouldnt afford to. And our defense is breached so easily. We need a class defender!

  • AndyNUFC

    Nov 15, 2008 at 6:07 PM

    Comment #22

    Comment 6, too good to go down? Haha do not make me laugh.

    Harry and Spurs has shown what getting rid of a director of football, new manager in, and a fresh start can do to a club.

    New owners in, a top class experienced manager or KK in, and some investment in actually talented players in January and we will be fine, I put my house on it.

    I hope people remember this whole mess started with Ashley not backing KK in the transfer window and not buying good enough players.

  • Chester Geordie

    Nov 15, 2008 at 6:15 PM

    Comment #23

    Why is it season after season no matter who is manager or who they bring in to strengthen it,our defense remains utter crap.We cant keep a clean sheet for love nor money and concede stupid goals game after game,it drives me crazy.

  • big al

    Nov 15, 2008 at 6:15 PM

    Comment #24

    joe just baffles me with some of his decisions why does he keep persisting with duff and keep replacing jonas losing faith with the bloke i think we should go for houllier personally top coach !

  • Chester Geordie

    Nov 15, 2008 at 6:20 PM

    Comment #25

    The fat man needs to sell us quickly,no manager worth his salt will take us on until its been sorted out.We need new buyers and a manager in place before Jan so we can bring in a couple of new faces to get us out of this mess but i just cant see us been sold till well after the new year if at all

  • hitman

    Nov 15, 2008 at 6:22 PM

    Comment #26

    wheres AO the tw@t…….come on ya tossa

  • AndrewNUFC

    Nov 15, 2008 at 6:23 PM

    Comment #27

    Fulham and today have proved Kinnear isnt right for us. Why did he take Jonas off when Duff was even worse? The guy is clueless when it comes to tactics im afraid. We can’t defend at all, look at City and today we were in the lead but due to bad defending we threw it away late on.

    I really do fear for us against Chelsea.

  • Rasko a.k.a Hadji

    Nov 15, 2008 at 6:24 PM

    Comment #28

    Chelsea lost the title last season cos of Wigan,will these 2 points be crucial for our survival.

    1 man down,no Heskey no Zaki,homeground advantage,Bramble scored.

    We’re simply doomed!!!

  • Johnny_Toon

    Nov 15, 2008 at 6:26 PM

    Comment #29

    shitbags. I refuse to follow them until something gets sorted out.

  • AndrewNUFC

    Nov 15, 2008 at 6:30 PM

    Comment #30

    Mike Ashley must love this, he is just waiting for a nice profit for destroying us. I might be a chairman-destroy a football club and get money for it.

  • wsq

    Nov 15, 2008 at 6:31 PM

    Comment #31

    my worst fear came true. i had a feeling it would happen. this always happens to newcastle effing seriuously you let bramble score! IDIOTS

  • michael12

    Nov 15, 2008 at 6:34 PM

    Comment #32

    I delcare myself pleased with the result and commend Kinner for his tactics toward the end at least.

    What we must understand is that Kinner, is starting to get the ball rolling, you expect us to be charging up the league as though our club is fine. The league is competitive and two or three wins could see us as high as 6th place.

    We all know there is no money to throw at the situation but what Kinner has done is he has us picking up points even when we are not playing this fabled brand of all out entertaining football you claim Keegan had us playing. Frankly I do not hink under Keegan the football was entertaining, you the fans entertained yourselves. We know that to win a title a team must continue to pick up points even when not playing well.

    We cannot win every game and considering the trouble and uncertainty both managerially and “ownership-wise” our backs are to the wall. No other team in the league is under such uncertainty. We are in a leeds situation if not worse and what is important is that we keep picking up points even lucky points.

    We went down to a very singular goal and came back. That shows Character. I remember a time when we would go a goal down and the game was as good as over. We were neither creating nor scoring.

    We are a club in crisis so do not judge kinner as though our situation is normal. Our circumstance is not the circumstance that is conducive for a run at a champions league place.

    We have to be fair, his (Kinner) job is very uncertain and it is almost certain he will leave when / if new owners come in, he has players he never bought.

    Outside the top four things are very competitive, very very competitive. I said this before, that there are no easy games.

  • Timmers

    Nov 15, 2008 at 6:35 PM

    Comment #33

    Big rant that no-one will listen to-lol
    1-Keegans gone and not coming back (as much as i wanted him we gotta stop looking back)
    2-I do think the January window is key and if we’re not sold and Ashley doesnt want to spend we need to get loan signings-at least competiton for places. At the moment a few players think there’re safe and it shows.
    3-I want to see more coaches brought in, Beardsley-great with younger squad players. Carver-knows the club very well.
    4-If we do get sold the new manager has to be the best for the job not our wants or loves. We need a manager who can get us safe then poss top 10-6th. Stability (Ketsbia). Then we can attract managers that will get us higher at the moment i see names being thrown about and they must be sarcastic as we have no chance. I dont like him much but Sven couldbe an outsider-and would attract and keep players.
    5-I’m scared about the Chelsea game

  • 51times

    Nov 15, 2008 at 6:49 PM

    Comment #34

    michael12 – I’m not going to read that, as I can summarise what it says anyway.


    I have no prejudice against homosexuals though, if you want to deepthroat Mike Ashley that’s fine.

  • hitman

    Nov 15, 2008 at 6:55 PM

    Comment #35

    tell you what it is all the pro ashley mob have done one big time….keep faith lads….

  • Nobby'sDad

    Nov 15, 2008 at 6:56 PM

    Comment #36

    Shocking today. Enrique….just so bad….Duff laughable. What must Owen think not getting into that team. Nog on the bench….we are in BIG trouble and anyone who doesn’t think we are is kidding themselves. We didn’t really shot ourselves in the foot….cos even with 10 men Wigan were the better side.

  • michael12

    Nov 15, 2008 at 6:59 PM

    Comment #37

    Look, I believe in reality. Fans are angry because we did not get all three points today, some were stating what kinner should do, who he should take off and bring on.

    If it were that easy then why are they debating on this blog rather than winning the champions league as manager of NUFC?

    I believe that under Kinner, we can finish in the top ten for the first time in a very long time.

    Look a at spurs, Arsenal today beaten. The league is very competitive and for a team outside the top four going on a run of three wins is unlikely. If were an not going to win better we draw. all points count at the end.

  • dan

    Nov 15, 2008 at 7:01 PM

    Comment #38

    Why was there no effort in the first half?
    The second Martins looks disinterested he should be dragged off for Owen who should by now be pretty match fit.
    Leaving Duff on and making very late subs with no time for impact are now two gripes that the fans are really starting to pick up on and JK needs to sit up and take notice.
    Duff is a good player but sometimes N’Zogbia can offer so much more creativity going forward. He is wasted on the bench and alot fitter and younger than Duff.
    You should have had the players fired up for this one Joe.
    I can see us being 2nd bottom by christmas.
    1 point when we desperatly needed 6 aint good enough.

  • Xisco Stu

    Nov 15, 2008 at 7:03 PM

    Comment #39

    We really need a defensive playmaker. The last couple of games have highlighted this need. They would determine when we play at a higb intensity with Barton, Jonas and Duff/Sog marauding forward, or when to slow the game down and keep possession.

    Failing that someone like Barton, hopefully they’ll get a good relationship and one will instinctively stay when the other goes forward, but the main benefit that one will provide some initiative into the team in as many games as possible.

    But before all that we need the club sold and a manager/coaches who will help tweak and develop every players’ technical ability to make the best of what we have.

  • Paul:D

    Nov 15, 2008 at 7:05 PM

    Comment #40

    can we drop given already…4 goals in 2 games…
    we got joint 8th position on goals scored i think, and we are 3rd worst for goals against…
    so scoring goals aint the problem, its leakin goals…same as it is every season, and every season we play given most of the year…coincidence?
    at a top team he would have been dropped for the number of goals that go past him…n yes he might have better defenders in front of him…but weve had top class defenders before and still been lettin in to many…
    especially when no1 can argue harper is just as good…and on average lets in far less goals than given…which in my books makes him better…
    never no…might be better with harper…shame no managers got the balls to try and find out…could go wrong, but ifya losin games by lettin to many goals in what would it matter…0 points is still 0 points


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