Kinnear And Owen Both In Limbo At Newcastle


Both Newcastle captain Michael Owen and interim manager Joe Kinnear find themselves in difficult positions at the club.

Michael Owen – in happier days for England

Michael is in limbo with his Newcastle career, presumably waiting for the club to sort themselves out and be sold, so at least at that time, a contract offer can be made to Michael.

But once January comes around, he could be inundated with attractive offers, since he will become a free agent in the summer, and cost nothing as far as a transfer fee is concerned.  And that after the club paid out a whopping £17M to Real Madrid in August, 2005.

Joe Kinnear could be facing his last game in charge of the club this Saturday at Chelsea, since there are rumors the Board may be announcing something after that game. If the club is being sold, Joe will likely have only a short stay as interim manager, until a permanent manager is appointed.

Kinnear talked about Michael today to the Daily Mirror:

“I feel for him because of the situation he finds himself both for club and country.”

“But he answered all this by scoring for us. For what it’s worth, in my opinion he should be in the England squad. That’s my honest opinion.”

“He is a precious commodity. We are not trying to rein him in. But he has got to go slowly, slowly. He is one of the best players in the world and I am going carefully, carefully with him.”

Good words from Joe.

This is almost an unprecedented position for a football club to find itself in, and it seems it could only happen to Newcastle.

Comments welcome.



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48 comments so far

  • keith

    Nov 18, 2008 at 10:05 AM

    Comment #1

    if we are serious in keeping owen , which i admit it doesnt bother me either way due to the amount of money we pay him , we need to appoint a full time manager who can out line the mangaers ambitions and try get players in that suit owens stlye of play ie a big man up front such as crouch or ashton ( if you could keep him fit ) etc etc

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  • Geordie Jayne

    Nov 18, 2008 at 10:08 AM

    Comment #2

    Of course we can go carefully carefully with Owen as we have a gr8 replacement for him Ameobie NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT.

    For god’s sake we are fighting for our lives. Owen says he is fit Play him stop ponsing about.

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  • komiz

    Nov 18, 2008 at 10:11 AM

    Comment #3

    off topic,
    does anyone know Chinedu Obasi?
    i think he is briliant

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  • kk forever

    Nov 18, 2008 at 10:19 AM

    Comment #4

    yeah jajne we need him .AND any one who is not botherd if he goes are complete idiots he kept us up last season and cud do the same this he worth every penny

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  • kevtoon

    Nov 18, 2008 at 10:21 AM

    Comment #5

    I’m getting annoyed with the constant and brainless comments some fans make about Owen’s wages, and that being a reason why we should get rid of him…absolutely barmy….surely if we want to be ambitious and have a team in Europe and challenging for trophies we want MORE top players, and top players means top wages, it’s the way football is now and we need to move with the times. I fear we are not going to see those days unless we get really lucky with the sale of the club, but hounding Owen over his wages seems a backward approach to me. When fit and playing Owen is our best player and score goals…the only criticism we could aim at him is the injury record, and he has hardly saved that up for us, he has had such an injury record his whole career….we should move heaven and earth to keep him, but I think it’s all too late now.

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  • another idiot

    Nov 18, 2008 at 10:24 AM

    Comment #6

    kevtoon I don’t want him cos he’s a mercenary, a robot with no sense of loyalty, only interested in himself. I’ll happily eat my words if he’s still here in Jan. but he won’t be.

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  • UTD111

    Nov 18, 2008 at 10:34 AM

    Comment #7

    Owen is our skipper and best player – he should be first on the team sheet. In our position, we should be taking full advantage of having such a great player on the books – I’ll bet Wigan or WBA would love to have him helping their relegation fight.
    Its a no-brainer…..drop Ameobi, he does nowt.

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  • Silence of the Llambias

    Nov 18, 2008 at 10:36 AM

    Comment #8

    Kevtoon – Well said.
    We need to wake up to the real world of ambitious clubs.

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  • Mark-o

    Nov 18, 2008 at 10:36 AM

    Comment #9

    KEVTOON,

    ditto mate, if wages are going to be a problem then we may as well start booking the coaches for charlton, sheffield and coventry!!

    We need more players of similar stature to Owen if we are going to get into the tp 8 let alone top 4, all depends on the amount of £££££ the next chairman wants to invest!!!!

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  • kevtoon

    Nov 18, 2008 at 10:39 AM

    Comment #10

    another idiot – I don’t the he is a mercenary or a robot – he is unlikely to be with us after Jan or the end of the season, but that is more to do with the fact he hasn’t been offered a new contract by the club…surely!?!? How can he stay when his contract has been allowed to run down by the club? He has never spoken of a desire to leave. at any point of his time with us. He has never given less than 100% when he plays. How do you come to the conculsion that he is only in it for himself? And how is he more in it for himself than any other player? It’s wages, you are getting hung up about his wages, top players get top wages, we want more top players with top wages in the team, then we will be a better team you see how it works?

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  • Nick

    Nov 18, 2008 at 10:46 AM

    Comment #11

    Ed we are all in limbo and it’s doing my head in.
    This is the way ashley treats people, ie with absolute contempt.

    Asley’s behaviour with sports direct shareholders is as dispicable as the way he treats us the fans.

    kevtoon your argument that Owen has always been injured, not just with us, doesn’t really argue your case for keeeping him on, on sky high wages !!

    A fully fit Owen who can play more than 10 games is a rarity and for him to complete more than 20 games a season is a luxuy.

    A fit M.O for a whole season is a different story. A nearly 30 year old M.O who has lost that vital pace is not.

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  • kevtoon

    Nov 18, 2008 at 10:51 AM

    Comment #12

    Nick – read what I said, I said to criticise him for his wages is daft and backward thinking, but to criticise for his injury record holds some water….that said, on balance I would keep him rather than let him go – his pace doesn’t seem to be halting his scoring when he plays. I have mates via work who are Liverpool fans, and the fact he wasn’t universally loved at Liverpool was the fact he only played on average 20-25 games per season – same is going on here I think, only some people point at the wages as the problem not the injuries – they are not one and the same issue. We need to team full of top players on top wages in order to finish in the top half of the league, whether those players get injured or not does not then justify us buying worse players on lower wages just so it costs less when they don’t play!!!!

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  • another idiot

    Nov 18, 2008 at 10:52 AM

    Comment #13

    I’m not arsed about his wages. There have been times in the past where there has been a lot of speculation about Owen’s future and he’s said nowt. I thought he had been offered a new contract pre season but he refused & decided to wait & see if a more ambitious team would step in. He didn’t want to come here. yes he gives 100% but that’s for Capello. and could do without the snipes about being fit in the match programme. i see a lot of similarities between him & shearer (the steely determination, arrogance & stubbornness, unfortunately not the loyalty).

    but yeah maybe I’m expecting a little too much of players in today’s game. it’s all about the benjamins ( as a rapper once said – i think)

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  • Punk Skunk

    Nov 18, 2008 at 10:55 AM

    Comment #14

    Kevtoon,
    well said man…
    …Owen is worth the money, end of!..

    …Stop thinkin’ in such a penny pinchin’, cheapskate way ffs!..He’s effectively cost us nowt, with the money we’ve had due to injuries sustained playin’ for england…On one hand people scream: slash the cash Ash, on the other it’s: we’ve spendin’ too much!..
    …Top strikers cost!..

    …Owen IS one of the best!..

    …Sort it out!..

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  • keith

    Nov 18, 2008 at 10:57 AM

    Comment #15

    kevtoon i do firmly belive you pay peanuts you get monkeys and yoou have to spend to accumalate and all that, but the amount of money we have spent on owen over the last 4 years is pushing 40 million! Now i dont hink anyone can say that it has been money well spent due to injuries and some times you have to cut your losses , if he stays and stays fit he will score but is he worth another 20odd million in wages over the next 4 years? I honestly dont know hence why it doesnt bother me if he stays or goes

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  • kevtoon

    Nov 18, 2008 at 10:58 AM

    Comment #16

    I don’t think he was offered a contract at all – Keegan, and now Joe Kinnear have both bemoaned the fact that no offer has been made and that it is out of his hands. Owen himself has repeatedly stated that he will not comment on speculation and paper talk – anyway, Ginola was pretty loved when he was playing for us, and he was on record many times expressing his desire to play for Barcelona….didn’t stop us loving him at the time! Owen has conducted himself pretty well in his time with us, except for the odd groin strain, cricuate ligament damage and dodgy hamstring!

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  • kevtoon

    Nov 18, 2008 at 11:01 AM

    Comment #17

    My final say on this is as follows: top premiership team have 4 top strikers, I think Martins and Owen are two of them, and Owen should stay injury record or not, as his value is in the games he DOES play in and the goals he DOES score – our problem is that we don’t have the other 2 top strikers to make up the 4 – so in my opinion Owen should stay and I will be disappointed if he goes!

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  • Punk Skunk

    Nov 18, 2008 at 11:05 AM

    Comment #18

    Aye kevtoon,
    right again!..
    …Shit happens!..

    …Michael Owen is also a ‘massive’ draw to other players around the world…He’s also probably spreadin’ the Toon around the world just by playin’ for us!..
    …More than any other at the moment!..

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  • Punk Skunk

    Nov 18, 2008 at 11:06 AM

    Comment #19

    Viduka is excellent…when fit!..

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  • kevtoon

    Nov 18, 2008 at 11:11 AM

    Comment #20

    Viduka’s fitness record is worse than Owen’s, we would be in a far better position if we could get him playing more often – that is a bigger issue than Owen’s fitness record, because Viduka with Owen and/Martins put’s us up there with the striking options of the better teams in the league….strange we have less people slating Viduka for his fitness record though….there is definately a strange regard (or lack of) for Owen among many of our fans – I don’t understand it. Do we think that Viduka is on minimum wage or something???

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  • Punk Skunk

    Nov 18, 2008 at 11:14 AM

    Comment #21

    Kev,
    some people on here are sooo jaundiced in their views it hurts from here man!..
    …It really gets me that they ‘actually’ blame players for gettin’ injured, like it’s their fault…
    …I’m savin’ up for a box full of perspective to hand out at xmas!..

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  • Punk Skunk

    Nov 18, 2008 at 11:15 AM

    Comment #22

    Then they say they’re crap, ‘cos they’re injured…Work that one out!..

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  • kevtoon

    Nov 18, 2008 at 11:22 AM

    Comment #23

    Dead right punk skunk – here are some of my other jaundiced views, or I’m not sure if this is perspective as well :
    1. Everyone loves and raves about Jonas, while may are slating Owen – what has Jonas actually achieved in terms of goals, assists or contribution to attacking play? He get’s people out of their seats with lovely touches and ability to beat a man, but doesn’t really do damage to the opposition
    2. Duff’s improved form – read improved work rate, see same concusion as Jonas for Duff at the moment
    3. Joe Kinnear has done a great job and derserves a full time role if not full time managers role – he has done ok, he had the guts to step in, but has actually picked up less points from the games in charge than we would have probably hoped leaving us deep in the mire still
    4. Shearer would be a bad choice as manager as well need more experience – may be true, but personally I would love Shearer to get the job and really think it would get things going at the club again. Remeber the amount of experience Souness, Allerdyce and Dalgleish had and the disasterous short stays they had!

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  • Mark-o

    Nov 18, 2008 at 11:24 AM

    Comment #24

    PunkSkunk and KevToon.

    Ist about time some one on here spoke some sense. I feel the same way about Owen, if we hand him another 1 year contract and attract some big names in the summer because of him, it would then be up to him to play well if he wants to stay at the club. Not that im accusing him of not giving 100%. Does that make sense??

    Those who give him grief because he’s injured need to wake up and realise that he will score when he’s fit and its not up to him to carry the rest of the teams short commings. For example how can he score goals when the rest of the team cant create chances for him.

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  • kevtoon

    Nov 18, 2008 at 11:27 AM

    Comment #25

    Mark -o – I’m with you 100%

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  • THE BEAT.

    Nov 18, 2008 at 11:32 AM

    Comment #26

    i,ve always said gollum will try and flog owen for a good price,then try and raid leeds for jermain beckford and fabian delph.
    he will try and get those two on the cheap,fail miserably and we,ll end up further in the clarts.

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  • Punk Skunk

    Nov 18, 2008 at 11:35 AM

    Comment #27

    Can’t really argue with any of that kev,
    fair appraisal, pretty much!..
    …The only thing with Shearer is: people would give him more time than the above mentioned, which would defo help…
    …As for our points haul so far…If we hadn’t gone thru this pap, we might have picked up a few more before JK, would’ve been in a better position & would probably won at fulham, the weirdsiders & beat wigan…But hey, that’s conjecture!..You know what i’m sayin’ tho’?..

    …Agreed Mark-O…

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  • kevtoon

    Nov 18, 2008 at 11:41 AM

    Comment #28

    We dropped points while we were in limbo before JK which has contributed to our position, but we also dropped points under JK – we have had our easier half of the season already in terms of home fixtures, and it worries me that we have yet to play Man U, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool etc. at home. Estimating zero points from those games, and our away form being dire as ever and I’m really worried. New manager and money to spend or relegation, it’s that stark….so the idea of getting rid of our best players is laughable. I think we should all be praying that Owen stays, we get money to spend from Ashley or a new owner and we get our new manager – oh, and all of the before Christmas! Am I being greedy?

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  • Punk Skunk

    Nov 18, 2008 at 11:45 AM

    Comment #29

    Satan…i mean santa’s got my list!..
    …Shy bairns get nowt!..

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  • Sav

    Nov 18, 2008 at 11:49 AM

    Comment #30

    Keith – ‘paying him too much’? – We always hear this argument. you’d think it was coming out of your pocket, man. Do you think they’re gonna reduce the season ticket price if they flog Owen and get in some shite replacement from the Championship? lol!
    If you are that worried, write a strongly worded letter to Ash recommending he lays off Llambias tomorrow. The more he spends on the team, and the less on bingo, roulette, bouncers and cronies, the better, man.

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  • Punk Skunk

    Nov 18, 2008 at 11:50 AM

    Comment #31

    Well,
    we could look at it as: we’ve picked up points under JK, rather than continue to drop them!..
    …& our home form has improved…Anythin’ can happen v those teams mentioned, we’ve beat ’em at our place before!..
    …But, we certainly must start winnin’ away…

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  • kevtoon

    Nov 18, 2008 at 12:08 PM

    Comment #32

    Agreed Punk, however, the home form was in no way improved against Wigan – we were shocking, just as bad as when managerless versus Hull really.

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  • Punk Skunk

    Nov 18, 2008 at 12:18 PM

    Comment #33

    Agreed kev,
    I think JK is between a rock & a hard place…
    …He knows we need wins, but he’s scared to lose!..

    …Btw, i’d like to appologise to you for the other day man, sorry if i was out of order!..
    …Hope we can move on & enjoy some banter, i didn’t mean to upset anyone!..

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  • kevtoon

    Nov 18, 2008 at 12:21 PM

    Comment #34

    Punk – no worries man, nowt wrong with a bit of heated debate

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  • David_Barber

    Nov 18, 2008 at 12:23 PM

    Comment #35

    Kevtoon: you are spot on about Owen! And our plight! What is the point of getting rid of our best players! We need someone to come in and inject some serious cash! If you look at it-the top four command the best 22-25 manned squads-with the best available in this country and Europe! That’s not including the top teams in Europe-that hold their own-huge fortress of players-so maybe because of Owen’s injury problems-we are lucky to have him! Because once he is gone-it will be dammed hard to replace him! Oh, sorry I forgot-that is after we gave him away!

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  • Punk Skunk

    Nov 18, 2008 at 12:25 PM

    Comment #36

    Coolamundo kev,
    appreciate your magnaminity!..

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  • Punk Skunk

    Nov 18, 2008 at 12:36 PM

    Comment #37

    So,
    is dogbreath gonna be missin’ for the chavski game?..

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  • bowburnmag

    Nov 18, 2008 at 12:39 PM

    Comment #38

    Is kevtoon, THE kevtoon? i.e. Sir Kev of Northumbria, beautiful necklace and all?

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  • kevtoon

    Nov 18, 2008 at 12:41 PM

    Comment #39

    aye – the very same!

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  • bowburnmag

    Nov 18, 2008 at 12:46 PM

    Comment #40

    Greetings sire (you’re humbly elevated to a grander title for the purposes of using the only ‘ye olden day’ title I could recall). Bravo, on a succinct and accurate critique of all current NUFC debates.

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