Owen and Viduka Contracts The Test For Kinnear


The players whose contracts are up for renewal this summer include those of Michael Owen, Nicky Butt, Steve Harper, Shola Ameobi and Mark Viduka.

Joe Kinnear – tough contract talks coming up

And one thing Joe Kinnear will need to start looking at, presumably in tandem with Dennis Wise, is working out who he wants to offer new contracts to.

Contracts are the responsibility of Dennis Wise, but that will hardly work too well, when players know Dennis is hardly a huge favorite with Newcastle fans right now. The decision on whether to offer them extensions at all, will presumably be on the recommendation of Joe Kinnear.

If indeed Joe’s deal is extended through the end of the season that will be good news at least for the players, who will at least get a little bit of stability, at least through the end of the season.

Indeed, if Joe can pull Newcastle up the league into a decent ending position, and the club is sold in the summer, Joe may even get an extension for a season or two from the new owners, once they are installed.

That would give a little sense of stability at the club if nothing else, but Joe would need to do very well for that to become reality.

Contract offers to Nicky Butt, Steve Harper and Shola Ameobi would be probably be accepted by the players. Steve and Shola are local lads and would love to stay at the club, and Nicky Butt seems resigned that Newcastle will always be somewhat unstable but he still wants to stay on Tyneside.

Remember since Bobby Robson signed Nicky in the summer of 2004, Newcastle have had six managers in Bobby, Graeme Souness, Glenn Roeder, Big Sam, Kevin Keegan and Joe Kinnear. Six managers in four years, and before that, at Manchester United he had only ever worked for one manager, Alex Ferguson – what a contrast.

The contract difficulties will likely be with captain Michael Owen and Mark Viduka. With Michael, Newcastle cannot even tell him who the new owners will be and who the new permanent manager will be, and it will largely depend on what Michael thinks about all of this.

It seems like the club want him to sign a one year extension until things get sorted out, but Michael will probably wait to see what offers come in during January.

As far as Mark Viduka is concerned the club have a one year option on the player, and Newcastle will need to decide if they want to take that option. The problem with Mark is he’s never available for too many games because of injury, and the club will need to weigh that up against his playing record at the club, which is quite good.

But Owen and Viduka remain the uncertainties, with Michael the biggest one of all.

What do you think?

Comments welcome.



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39 comments so far

  • Little Willie

    Nov 27, 2008 at 11:30 AM

    Comment #1

    Only Owen is worth keeping and I don’t think he’s got any intention of signing a new deal, he never has.

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  • Ryan Peacock

    Nov 27, 2008 at 11:31 AM

    Comment #2

    imo

    viduka and owen, should get a pay as you play deals.

    harper should get one until his career is over

    and butt and ameobi im not sure hmmmmm. are they what we need for next season and beyond? dont think so

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  • sav

    Nov 27, 2008 at 11:35 AM

    Comment #3

    Not denying you might be right, but how do you come to that conclusion, Little Willie?

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  • sav

    Nov 27, 2008 at 11:39 AM

    Comment #4

    Although he’s done fairly decent for us lately when we needed him, if Shola is still here in the summer, I’d be disappointed. He could be a decent Championship forward and I think that’s his level. I just don’t think he’s quite good enough. Of course that begs that we are going to sign somebody who is….

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  • broon ale

    Nov 27, 2008 at 11:42 AM

    Comment #5

    please join the discussion on the previous thread. just when we get something going another topic is added by the ed and the we get another group of people starting another discussion.

    i feel this particular subject (contract) is an obvious one. we have all went over this many times.

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  • Bill F (Original)

    Nov 27, 2008 at 11:42 AM

    Comment #6

    Not sure that Joe is fully in the loop as regards contracts, he is probably saying what he wants but is anyone listening. You would have to hope so. Funny as it may sound I reckon of the 5 you mention Ed the one he may be most concerned about may be Shola.

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  • Jon

    Nov 27, 2008 at 11:44 AM

    Comment #7

    Nicky Butt is over the hill. No new contract for him. He’s way too old now. Get rid of him.

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  • graeme

    Nov 27, 2008 at 11:49 AM

    Comment #8

    There is £12 million in the kitty from the sale of Milner, or there should be.

    If Ashley is adamant that he isnt going to put another penny into the club, its cutting off your nose to spite your face – a futile argument. If he doesn’t invest in the squad this time, having failed to do so since he took control, the club will do well to avoid relegation this season.

    If we just avoid relegation, it will lower the value of the club, no matter what he paid for it or what he thinks its worth. A bottom 6 club is worth a hell of a lot less than a top 6 club.

    The only way he is going to get anywhere near his money back, is to invest in the 1st team squad in January. Hopefully, that will allow us to pull clear of the drop zone and into the safety of mid-table. Anything better than 12th is a bonus at this stage.

    We can then only hope that the credit crunch eases, the buyers remain interested having watched the team stabilize over the winter / spring and we are sold at the end of the season. That will allow the new owners to have 3 – 4 months to work out who is going and move them on; who is staying and get the contracts sorted: who they want to bring in as Manager and who the want to bring in to improve on the players we have left at that time.

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  • Alex

    Nov 27, 2008 at 11:49 AM

    Comment #9

    Priority should be Owen , if he stays it will give the right signs to other top players that we could be a top side , he would have to stay fit of course . As for Viduka and Butt we should release them , viduka is continually injured and Butt is getting too old his legs have gone . It would be great for the club if Harper stayed but on the other hand he deserves to be first choice somewhere .

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  • Little Willie

    Nov 27, 2008 at 11:50 AM

    Comment #10

    What conclusion? About Owen?

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  • beyethegreat

    Nov 27, 2008 at 11:52 AM

    Comment #11

    it sadly looks as though owen is leaving otherwise eh would have accepted the offer by now

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  • ronaldeano

    Nov 27, 2008 at 12:01 PM

    Comment #12

    If Owen does leave, it will be in the summer.

    By then the new owners will be in place and they will no doubt invest in another top striker to replace owen

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  • StevieA

    Nov 27, 2008 at 12:04 PM

    Comment #13

    I wouldn’t count Owen out for signing another deal because he loves the club, likes how the club view him as a indispensable player and he likes to be appreciated believe me.

    The grass isn’t always greener, if he went to Chelsea he would be on the bench and the same goes for any of the top 4 teams. At the moment the only club that might be able to attract Owen with the offer of first team football and the potential to do well is Aston Villa.

    It might be interesting if Villa came in for him. Otherwise I can see him staying for the rest of his career.

    As for Viduka, fantastic footballer (when he plays) but we need to find a younger Viduka. Someone who is similar but in his prime, not many around but I am sure we can find someone.

    Also I want us to sign Elano from Man City. You taking notes Joe?

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  • Tom_Toon

    Nov 27, 2008 at 12:07 PM

    Comment #14

    The one we should look at renewing most is Donaldson’s.

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  • sav

    Nov 27, 2008 at 12:07 PM

    Comment #15

    Viduka is great front man but he just is not worth the 65k per week for the number of games we get – or Boro got. There can only be a contract on a pay for play basis. But I doubt the duke would accept it – he’d be owing us!

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  • StevieA

    Nov 27, 2008 at 12:10 PM

    Comment #16

    Tom-Toon I totally agree with Donaldson but is he ready for the first team? Most of our home grown youngsters don’t seem to come through until they are 19-22 for some reason (probably physical and tactical reasons).

    He could be our own little Alan Shearer eventually but the time needs to be right for him to come into the team.

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  • Ausgeordie

    Nov 27, 2008 at 12:10 PM

    Comment #17

    Owen has had enough offers and considering our patience with him if he had any real passion for the club he would have signed on as he knows he has not earnt his wages. He is still at 10 mill striker though and dont know where well find another good one

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  • Little Willie

    Nov 27, 2008 at 12:12 PM

    Comment #18

    Owen loves the club?

    Is this the same Owen that only talks about how committed he is to the club when the transfer window closes? The same Owen who’s agent leaked the news about him having a £9 million buy out clause to put him in the shop window when Shepherd was still here?

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  • selly no skill

    Nov 27, 2008 at 12:23 PM

    Comment #19

    their contracts will have nothing to do with kinnear.its how much money lambias will throw at them,if any.

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  • Bill F (Original)

    Nov 27, 2008 at 12:25 PM

    Comment #20

    For me if a player is good enough then he is old enough, some of the greats were playing regular first team football at 17.

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  • Cyprus-Toon

    Nov 27, 2008 at 12:28 PM

    Comment #21

    Owen will leave in Jan for 3-5m!
    Shola will be sold in the summer for 1m!
    Butt will get a new 1 year rolling contract!
    Harper deserves 1st team but will extend at TOON!
    Viduka will be sold or let go in the summer!
    imo

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  • StevieA

    Nov 27, 2008 at 12:30 PM

    Comment #22

    BillF I agree but when you look back at the strikers we have brought through only Ameobi has made a real impact.

    Chopra looked like a rabbit in headlights at St James’s Park. No doubt that the lad had talent but he always looked scared that he would fail, if we brought him back now he might be totally different who knows but he might have had his chance.

    Carrol looks OK to me but not sure he will ever be top class although Buffon raved about him when he scored in a friendly game. He has the physical attributes but moves like a tank.

    Donaldson from what I hear is an old fashioned striker (modeled on Shearer) but also has a little bit of pace too. Would be interesting to see how he would do given a chance, who knows he might get a chance before too long.

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  • ELFER

    Nov 27, 2008 at 12:38 PM

    Comment #23

    I would love to keep all except BUTT. Pull the option for Duke, becouse he will offer us something special we don’t have in the squad!!

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  • Little Willie

    Nov 27, 2008 at 12:39 PM

    Comment #24

    Donaldson isn’t bad but I’m not sure if he’ll make it in the Premiership, Ranger looks far better but he needs to fill out a bit first.

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  • samthecat

    Nov 27, 2008 at 12:39 PM

    Comment #25

    All of this will just be left-Joe will have no say in contracts or transfers for that matter-he is purely the coach.

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  • nightfall

    Nov 27, 2008 at 12:45 PM

    Comment #26

    if it would be up to i’d sell viduka, shola, owen, cacapa, geremi, SMITH, perhaps duff.

    i mean..start of this season was horrific, with kk resigning etc., but look at the bright side…i sure we won’t get relegated, so we should just play youngsters, so they can get some experience for the next season. as for owen..i wouldn’t mind him leaving…i mean…we’ve got ranger, who’s younger, taller, stronger, and can score goals and this season would be perfect for him and other youngsters to get some experience. i know owen’s a great finisher, but he was also class ‘cos of his pace..and he lost that. in EPL you need to be strong or fast..he’s neither..still good, but can be replaced. i also wouldn’t buy a LB in januar…let enrique play as many game as possible..he’s talented, let him get used to EPL.

    if it would be up to me, this is how our squad would look like february 1st:

    given/harper

    beye/ new young RB colo/tozer bassong/taylor enrique /kadar

    jonas/lualua guthrie/appiah barton/butt zog/duff (or a new young LM if duff’s sold)

    martins/xisco ranger/new strong ST

    p.s.: give xisco a shot…he didn’t even have a chance to show what he can do…look at drogba’s or adebayor’s first seasons in EPL..i’m sure he’ll come good..he played like 5 minutes in EPL, but still showed more then smith and shola…combined…

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  • dave

    Nov 27, 2008 at 1:02 PM

    Comment #27

    first

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  • ObaMartins

    Nov 27, 2008 at 1:09 PM

    Comment #28

    To let Owen go would be Mad, the lad has had bad luck with injuries since joining Newcastle but a Fit Owen is a TOP NOTCH Goal scorer…plus it would take Tens of millions to replace him and who is out there ????

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  • AndyNUFC

    Nov 27, 2008 at 1:15 PM

    Comment #29

    Ameobi on a performance related contract, with incentives for good form.

    Owen and Viduka on pay as you play contracts.

    Keep Harper, but move Krul to the subs bench as Given’s number 2, so Harper becomes number 3 (that way we keep Krul happy and still have amazing keepers in Given and Harper).

    Maybe keep Butt one more season? That’s only if we don’t get a decent CM/DM in January, if we do, say thanks and see you later to him.

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  • Jimmie

    Nov 27, 2008 at 1:24 PM

    Comment #30

    Why doesnt Ashley give Owen a long contract and high wages when he´s looking to sell the club? He aint gonna pay it anyway when hes gone!

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  • BAZ

    Nov 27, 2008 at 1:41 PM

    Comment #31

    PEOPLE HAVE A LOOK ON YOU TUBE AT TAYE TAIWO ! HES EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED- HOW DO WE GET THAT ACROSS TO WISE AND CO THO ? ANY IDEAS? HES LIKE A DEFENSIVE OBAFEMI ! AND HE TAKES PLAYERS ON SUPERBLY THEN SHOOTS !

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  • Joe Kinnear

    Nov 27, 2008 at 3:20 PM

    Comment #32

    I have started talks over a new contract with Michael Owen.

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  • irish_al

    Nov 27, 2008 at 3:22 PM

    Comment #33

    good player Baz

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  • StevieA

    Nov 27, 2008 at 5:57 PM

    Comment #34

    Joe K while you are here have a look at Taiwo and also put a cheeky bid in for Elano.

    There’s a good lad!

    Keep up the good work. Keep away from the fried breakfasts too mate.

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  • Richard

    Nov 27, 2008 at 6:17 PM

    Comment #35

    Owen ‘Loved’ Liverpool but still transfered to Real Madrid!

    We need MO to sign on and I think Joe IS the man to persuade him, In my opinion, MO should be first priority as he is the prize asset!

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  • Turkish Magpie

    Nov 27, 2008 at 6:30 PM

    Comment #36

    if we’re thinking of selling Owen for 4mil or something, we’re stupid!

    What striker for 4mil has the same standard as Owen!

    Let him talk to clubs in January but dont sell him, and near the end offer him a contract and if we have to, ridicuouslyhigh wages, he’s worth it! We will succeed with Owen

    Oh and Owen still has a 120,000 contract offer that Keegan offered, weather it’s still valid i dont know

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  • Turkish Magpie

    Nov 27, 2008 at 6:31 PM

    Comment #37

    Stevie A

    I would love Elano but isn’t he a rm? CANT REPLACE Jonas!

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  • StevieA

    Nov 27, 2008 at 7:00 PM

    Comment #38

    No Elano is a creative central midfielder who has also played upfront from Brazil.

    I wouldn’t play him on the right it’s such a waste.

    When he was playing his best stuff for Man City he played in an advanced central midfield role. He seems to be unhappy at the moment and rumour has it we almost signed him before he went to Man City so hopefully we have his agents number still.

    Would be a fantastic signing. Would take him and Zaki for starters!

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  • JAMES MCKENNA

    Nov 27, 2008 at 9:28 PM

    Comment #39

    OWEN IS A ESSENTIAL 2 US BUT I CANT SEE HIM STAYING WE WILL NEED HIM 2 STAY FOR THE REST OF SEASON WE.VE GOT A RELAGATION BATTLE WE CANT SELL HIM 4 A SILLY PRICE IN JANUARY THAT CUD COST US DEAR IN MAY THE MONEY HE HAS HAD OUT OF NEWCASTLE 4 THE GAMES HE,S PLAYED IS ASTONISHING HE SHUD SIGN FOR YEAR 2 KEEP HIS CONSCIENCE CLEAR ?? AMEOBI IS IM SORRY 2 STAY IS NOT A TOP FLIGHT PLAYER HIS FEW GOALS HAVE DONE NOTHING CHANGE MY MIND OF HIM EVER BEING 1 IM SURE IF HE DROPED DOWN A DIVISION HE WUD BANG THEM IN VIDUKA I WUD OFFER HIM EITHER A PAY AS U PLAY OR AN EXTRA YEAR BUT WITH LOT LESS MONEY I DONT NO WOT HE GETS NOW S.HARPER DESERVES A CONTRACT 4 LIFE BUT HE SHUD ALSO BE PLAYING FIRST TEAM FOOTBALL BUT WITH US HAVING A CLASS KEEPER IN GIVEN I WUD LIKE HIM 2 GO SUM WHERE LIKE ASTON VILLA AND SHINE AND GET A WELL DESERVED ENGLAND CAP BUTT STILL HAS ANOTHER YEAR IN HIM

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