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Sebastien Bassong Can Become Newcastle Great

11:03 am, Thursday, November 27th, 2008 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 86 Comments

Habib Beye has tipped new arrival Sebastien Bassong for a big future at the Newcastle United club.

Sebastien Bassong – terrific young prospect for Newcastle United

And anybody who has witnessed Bassong’s performances this season, culminating in his excellent display at Stamford Bridge last Saturday, will hardly want to argue with the Newcastle right-back. Bassong has already appeared 10 times this season for the club, with 6 starts and has played very well.

The Senegal full-back Beye, who like Bassong was born in the French capital of Paris, is clear that Newcastle and Dennis Wise have found a real star in the making in the young Frenchman.

Habib told nufcTV today:

“Seb was fantastic against Chelsea,” “He is only 22 years old, but he is a very confident player.”

“By playing him in the center of defence, Joe Kinnear has given him that confidence because that is his best position.

“He showed against Chelsea he can play against top players.” “He can be a great player for Newcastle United in the future.”

We wouldn’t think of arguing with what Habib says, and we fully expect Coloccini and Bassong to line up in central defense for our testing game at Middlesbrough on Saturday.

That’s whether Steven Taylor is fit or not, but Joe is likely to field the same back four after their heroics last weekend.

And we’re sure that Kinnear will keep Bassong’s feet firmly on the ground, and tell him to keep his head down, and not start believing his own headlines, which is a certain way downward.

But Seb has a terrific temperament and attitude, and we look forward to the same again from the youngster at The Riverside Stadium on Saturday. If Seb and Coloccini can play as well on Saturday as they did at Chelsea, then we must have a good chance of all 3 points, which is what we all need and want.

Comments welcome.

Tags: Newcastle News · Sebastien Bassong

86 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Shearbliss // Nov 27, 2008 at 11:09 AM

    Shows what KK knew about him “one for the future” he is one for NOW! When you have played the amount of games he did for Metz he was always value for money at a few mil. THANK you MA THANK you DW!

  • 2 Bill F (Original) // Nov 27, 2008 at 11:12 AM

    Our own Viera perhaps?

  • 3 Alex // Nov 27, 2008 at 11:14 AM

    You have got to admit the dwarf has brought some good youngsters in , and if Bassong continues as he has started then we have one of the best defenders in the premiership in another couple of seasons . This lad looks a great player in the making .

  • 4 broon ale // Nov 27, 2008 at 11:20 AM

    shearbliss. pull your head out your arse buddy! Thanking Mike Ashley and Dennis Wise is ludicrous! We have one of the smallest squads in the league. We have dropped points against, Sunderland, Wigan, Hull, West ham, Blackburn and Fulham. All of these teams are around us at the moment. Thats worrying sign in my eyes. We needed a left back but we didnt get one. We got Xisco and Gonzalez. Our blueprint was supposed to be signing hungry players with the best years of their careers ahead of them (Milner anyone?) but instead we are loaning a 27 year old uruguayan! Ashley has said he is only prepared to input 20 million a year into the club! What on earth is that going to get you these days? Dennis Wise has not even bothered his arse in coming to support the 2 lads he brought it on transfer deadline day. Up untill a few weeks ago ourselves and spurs were the only 2 teams in the league with the continental management structure. We were bottom and second bottom of the league respectavely. Spurs done away with that structure and have now climbed the table. We still find ourselves in the relegation zone.

    how can you support such a clueless board! ?

  • 5 broon ale // Nov 27, 2008 at 11:21 AM

    Bill F? the new viera? Perhaps if Seb was a midfielder.. perhaps. As he happens to be a centre half. Sadly no!

    have a word

  • 6 graeme // Nov 27, 2008 at 11:24 AM

    After the superb performance by the back 4 against Chelski, I cant see how Taylor is going to get a game anytime soon. Not once did Bassong fall asleep, take his eye off the ball, lose track of what he was doing. He was ably partnered By Colo, who is also a class act.

    Taylor could well use his time out injured to watch and learn – even if it is from a younger player. Bassong has shown none of the uncertainties that Taylor carries around with him.

    Just need 3 points off the Smoggies to consolidate last weeks result and start climbing the table!!!

  • 7 Little Willie // Nov 27, 2008 at 11:27 AM

    Broon ale – How does Spurs getting rid of their DOF have anything to do with their climb up the league? Are you saying he had a direct affect on what was happening on the pitch?

    What really happened was Spurs replaced a manager that couldn’t adapt to the Premiership in Ramos and replaced him with a more suited manager in Redknapp, all of the players that have played a large part in their climb up the league have been scouted and recommended by Comolli.

  • 8 Ryan Peacock // Nov 27, 2008 at 11:29 AM

    was well impressed with him in pre season but hasnt reach them heights yet but did well at chelsea

  • 9 tino97 // Nov 27, 2008 at 11:31 AM

    Seb looks promising for the future. We will see what he is like in a run of games. Its all well and good putting in a big performance against Chelsea. But he needs to do it week in and week out. I think he has all the physical attributes to become a good defender, but I would like another top quality and experienced centre half to come in Jan or the Summer. We don’t want to put to much pressure on him.

  • 10 Bill F (Original) // Nov 27, 2008 at 11:31 AM

    Broon Ale, I think you are being too pedantic about positions. Viera was more than a midfielder, he was a rock in their defence as well. I always thought of him as an attacking centre half (if you want to talk old money).

  • 11 sirjasontoon // Nov 27, 2008 at 11:34 AM

    I like Bassong and hope he does well.
    I just can’t wait to be sold,my hatred of all things ashley and co just lingers in my head all the time.

    We really need a change of scenery sometime soon as the current one just gets on my shattered nerves.
    Hope we batter Boro… predicting a draw.

  • 12 broon ale // Nov 27, 2008 at 11:35 AM

    i dont think its purely a coincedence that Daniel Levvy decided he had had enough of Poyet, Ramos and commoli and suddently spurs climb the table.

    My main point was to highlight the plight of Newcastle. I simply pointed out that Spurs and ourselves were operating teh continental management structure. As it stands now Spurs done something about but we are still swearing by it. That makes us the only team in the divison with this system. We are still in the bottom three and we have lost points to most of the teams around us. defeats against west ham, hull, sunderland, blacburn and fulham and a draw against 10 man wigan at home.

    Worrying signs by anyone standards!!!

    and yet people still praise Ashley and Wise just because he has signed some gems.

    The bigger picture tell us they are failing in their jobs!

  • 13 broon ale // Nov 27, 2008 at 11:37 AM

    Bill F. Apologies. I can never remember Viera playing at Centre half. I will take your word for it. However I dont think that Seb will have the same influence as Viera though. As a man or a player. I would love it if he did though.

  • 14 sav // Nov 27, 2008 at 11:42 AM

    We don’t believe your headlines either, Ed.
    Ya big fibber!

  • 15 Spyro // Nov 27, 2008 at 11:42 AM

    Daniel Levy basically confirmed that he has only momentarily suspended his contintental approach until Redknapp leaves.

  • 16 broon ale // Nov 27, 2008 at 11:43 AM

    Spyro. What?

  • 17 sav // Nov 27, 2008 at 11:43 AM

    ‘ow long is ‘arry expected to last?

  • 18 Spyro // Nov 27, 2008 at 11:44 AM

    When asked in an interview whether the continental apprach has been completely abolished, Levy simply said, “whilst Harry is here”.

  • 19 Little Willie // Nov 27, 2008 at 11:46 AM

    The mistake you’re making is lumping Comolli in with Ramos and Poyet, the 2 of them were having a direct affect on what was happening on the pitch as they were training the players, picking the team and responsible for the teams low confidence.

    Comolli on the other hand had no direct input on what tactics were used and only had a big say in what players the club were looking at, and it’s those players that he suggested the club go for that are pulling them away from relegation and up the table.

    The reason Levy got rid of Comolli was to save his own skin because the fans had turned against him, mainly because of how he handled the whole Berbatov affair which meant they never had the finances to go out and bring Arshavin in in time.

    Out of interest, how many more points do you think we would have if Keegan was still here? Do you think we would have lost to Hull, Sunderland, Blackburn and Fulham?

  • 20 broon ale // Nov 27, 2008 at 11:47 AM

    I cant imagine levvy came out and and confirmed he is only “suspending” the system which completely failed him untill redknapp leaves. Why would he talk of Redknapp leaving after only 5 minutes of him being in charge. and why would he show willingness to return to a structure which failed him. I read his statement and he said he felt the club needed to return to more traditional methods of managment.

    so do Newcastle in my opinion. We cant overlook the failures of Ashley and Wise just because of the signings of Bassong, Jonas and Colo.

    its plain to see. They have messed up and we are where we are because of it

  • 21 Spyro // Nov 27, 2008 at 11:47 AM

    Do you guys honestly think Levy wants Redknapp as a long term manager? I doubt it, he just wants him to get them out of this mess. He will soon get the next manager of the moment. Probably go for Dick Advocaat or Hiddink etc.

  • 22 Spyro // Nov 27, 2008 at 11:48 AM

    Broon Ale

    I just told you what he said in a television interview. You cannot deny it, it is the truth.

  • 23 Spyro // Nov 27, 2008 at 11:50 AM

    It wouldnt surprise me if Redknapp was just a stop gap between now and when Bilic makes himself available.

  • 24 broon ale // Nov 27, 2008 at 11:50 AM

    sounds to me little willie like Mike ashley should take a leaf out of levvys book!

    he showed some balls and done something about it. Mike Ashley always had/has that option.

    And yes I do beleive we would have beat Fulham, Hull, Blacburn, wigan and Sunderland if Keegan was in charge.

  • 25 Shearbliss // Nov 27, 2008 at 11:51 AM

    Fair play broon ale for your opions but you must get your facts straight. We are not he only team with a continental system. Frank Arnison does the same job for Chelsea as DW. Plus Abranovic choses alot of the plyers to buy hence mourino’s departure! Man City now have owners telling the managre who to buy! West Ham have a continental system, so we are not the only ones.
    Now for me thanking the board that is trying to improve the team in there way it is up to me. All these haters are like sheep just picking holes in everything. I did NOT rate milner so no real lost, I have seen gonzolas play and he is a class attacking midfieler,can’t rate xcsco but he will need a good run of games to get to the pace of PL. We tried to get a LB from Germany but pulled out last minute. And for once I agree with this board that you should not throw good money at bad. Are you saying just buy any defender with a left foot? You would be the first on this blog saying how s**t they are. If you really look at the team are we losing games because we have no LB. we lose games because of lack of confidence and lack of concentration in my opinion!
    So broon ale stop being such a negitive arse and start looking at the situation WE FANS put ourself in and stop blaming everyone. IT HAPPENS EVERY YEAR!

  • 26 Spyro // Nov 27, 2008 at 11:52 AM

    Personally i am happy KK has gone. he would have taken us nowhere imo.

  • 27 Bill F (Original) // Nov 27, 2008 at 11:53 AM

    Broon ale, no probs, I’m not saying you are wrong, its the way I have thought he was as a player. You can never tell how they are going to progress but if he got near to his standard I would be more than happy.
    As for Spurs I would doubt if much has changed internally (in fact). It just needed one person to take real control of a bunch of very good players, which is what Harry has done. And what Joe is trying to do with a squad (and it hurts to say this) who are not as good, yet.

  • 28 Spyro // Nov 27, 2008 at 11:55 AM

    Bill F

    Levy said, “whilst Harry is here.” When asked whether he had completely abolished his continental approach to management.

    He will implement it once again when he hires his next foreign manager.

  • 29 Little Willie // Nov 27, 2008 at 11:55 AM

    Interesting that you think we would have beaten those teams if Keegan was still here because if we had we would be sat in 3rd in the Premiership at the moment, which makes Keegan’s decision to walk away because the squad isn’t good enough even more baffling.

    It also highlights the main point I was trying to get across to you that it’s the manager that is responsible for picking up the points and not whether a club has a continental set up at board level or not.

  • 30 bowburnmag // Nov 27, 2008 at 11:56 AM

    Little Willie – The truth is, if none of this cr*p had ever gone on, it could have been a totally different story. Even with the squad KK was left with. The team would have been settled but we may still have struggled because we didn’t get more players through the door. The likelihood is that a) we might not have been setting the world alight but b) it wouldn’t matter too much about a) because KK fans would be happy he was still here, those opposed to KK would be a silent (ish) minority as they’d not yet have much to complain about and we’d be ticking along looking to the future. I think we’d be about 7th or 8th right now, personally.

  • 31 broon ale // Nov 27, 2008 at 11:56 AM

    i beleive the german player we failed to sign last minute was Schwinstieger, Not a left back!

    Anyway.. your sheep comment is an easy notion to buy into when the majority of peoples opinions differ from your own. It could be that the majority are simply more intune than you. The men you are thanking are responsible for bringing the club you support to its knees!

  • 32 Spyro // Nov 27, 2008 at 11:59 AM

    broon ale

    That Schweinsteiger story came from a tabloid paper and has absolutely no substance. No quotes no nothing. It was just nonsense to wind up the fans further and carry the ‘cockney mafia’ nonsense going. As if Schweinseiger would have left Munich to come to us.

  • 33 Nick 69 // Nov 27, 2008 at 11:59 AM

    shearbliss- why you thanking MA and DW for bassong, i think ull find it was keegan who took him on a 2 week trial and then decided that he wanted to sign him FOOL!!

  • 34 broon ale // Nov 27, 2008 at 12:01 PM

    Willie. No one could have predicted the the premier league would be as it is. Therefore I cant agree with you highlighting Keegans decison to walk way as even more baffling in responce to my opinion that we would have indeed won those games .

    i think we all expect to win home games against hull, wigan and blackburn as well as the derby away to sunderland.

  • 35 Little Willie // Nov 27, 2008 at 12:01 PM

    bowburnmag – And would being sat in 7th or 8th at the moment be such a failure? The club desperately needs building back up yet supporters seem to demand instant success or they walk out on the club in their 1000’s.

    I for one wouldn’t have a problem with a 7th or 8th place finish, it would have been something to build on which is what we’re desperate for as a club, looking back at league positions after Robson’s first 2 seasons at the club or Martin O’Neills first full season in charge at Villa then I think a 7th or 8th place finish would be more than acceptable.

  • 36 Spyro // Nov 27, 2008 at 12:02 PM


    stop being so aggressive. KK may have taken him on trial, but who recomended him to KK? Stop jumping to the defence of him when you, like everyone else, do not know the truth.

  • 37 Tom_Toon // Nov 27, 2008 at 12:04 PM

    I’m glad Schweinsteiger, didn’t leave Munich, I’d only take him over Duff as a winger.

    He is good in the centre though, crap on the wing.

  • 38 broon ale // Nov 27, 2008 at 12:04 PM

    to clarify in case I am getting the wrong end of the stick.. So am I right in thinking that we actually have people in favour of Mike ashley and Dennis wise because we have signed a few decent players.. And you are comfortable with everything else that has gone on and the fact we have relegation written all over us as long as we sign a few decent players???

    Madness!! it really is!

    our club is on its knees!! seriously!

  • 39 Little Willie // Nov 27, 2008 at 12:05 PM

    Spyro – The Schweinseiger rumour is true, we had a bid accepted but he turned us down because he’s out of contract next Summer so he can get a better deal/club then.

    The left back we were after was Warnock but that failed after Ince threatened to quit if anymore players left after Bentley, we then moved for Atouba but that fell through for some unknown reason after he was supposed to come over for a medical.

  • 40 Spyro // Nov 27, 2008 at 12:09 PM

    I am not in favour of MA. However, i do personally feel that the continental approach is not to blame. What IS to blame is the failure to implement the style of management properly and effectively. I feel this sort of approach requires a happy medium in order to succeed; some cheap buys and some quality buys that may cost a pretty penny. MA just goes for the cheap buys. I know price doesn’t necessarily determine quality, but sometimes you DO have to pay for quality. Otherwise, Ferguson etc would spend no money would they.

  • 41 Shearbliss // Nov 27, 2008 at 12:09 PM

    Explain how the club has been brought to it’s knees, because that is a bit over the top. We are NO diffrent than 15 teams in the prem. We are not cut adrift at the table and we had lost 4 games in a row when KK took over! Where did you HONESTLY think we were going to finish. Who did you think we were going to buy. We have to stop being deluded about sucsess. We have been going down hill scince SBR left. So to blame MA and his staff for bring us to our knees is crazy. Grame S brought me to my knees back in the day! But I can not say I feel that angry at the present regime! Mine you my HOPES were not that high when he came in. I was not one of them supporters talking about europe and cups. I just wanted someone the fans would warm to because FS was told to sell up and he did. MA told to sell up and he is trying. Why dont we buy the club. As a fan how long would we last?

  • 42 Spyro // Nov 27, 2008 at 12:09 PM

    How do you know this Little Willie?

  • 43 Shearbliss // Nov 27, 2008 at 12:12 PM

    ‘i think we all expect to win home games against hull, wigan and blackburn as well as the derby away to sunderland.’
    So did tottenham, liverpool chesea, man utd, and alot of teams expect. BUT it does not work like that in football! Grow up!

  • 44 Punk Skunk // Nov 27, 2008 at 12:15 PM

    & everyone expected us to lose away to manure, chavs!..
    …This is an increasingly tight league, no easy games now!..

  • 45 bowburnmag // Nov 27, 2008 at 12:16 PM

    Little Willie – hey don’t get me wrong. My expectations are significantly lower than some. I’d be more than happy with 7th or 8th overall but in truth those games could have been there for the taking as well. I don’t want to go over old ground as it seems a lot of us have tended to do, simply because we’re waiting to move forward. However, clearly both parties had a hand in the breakdown but my trust lies with Keegan. He has his faults and his tendencies but you know he’ll tell you how it is (with heart on sleeve etc etc). The fact that he hasn’t or hasn’t been able to is frustrating and it could turn out he’s the villain this time but until then who knows? For me, if KK had expectations which were above MA’s then surely he wouldn’t have put himself into this position in the first place? So something changed along the line. Anyway, my main argument is they probably could have come to some sort of agreement. But that is as much Ashley’s fault as it is KK’s I would wager. I get the impression each ego was too big to give way and added to that Ashley’s arrogance in his business ways and insistent on doing it how he wants meant it was doomed to faillure. Ashley has never come out and told us the truth. He offered disrespectful and spiteful soundbites and gave no real explanations or apologies. He took the easy option in throwing in the towel without a fight. If he’s honest enough to come out and tell us what went wrong and how we take it forward, re structures, transfer window, manager etc there could be a way back for him, as much as I love KK, I love the club more. But then again my gut tells me that because he feels the same way, KK wouldn’t jeopardise our future for no good reason.

  • 46 Bill F (Original) // Nov 27, 2008 at 12:18 PM

    Spyro, what I am saying is that comments from the higher levels are probably just window dressing and spin. I would doubt if much has changed. I am trying to equate the Spurs problem to our own in as much it just needed someone to take real control of the rudder and put the ship back on course.
    Sadly I reckon you are correct about Scheinsteigger, I couldn’t see him wanting to come to us. If he signs for an EPL club it’ll be ManU or Chelski. If KK was promised him then it must have been a real kick in the nuts when he realised the truth.

  • 47 broon ale // Nov 27, 2008 at 12:18 PM

    top half would have been progress. I would have been happy. Everything that has went on has been embarrasing and I see us as strong relegation candidates.

    losing points against all of those teams around us is very worrying.

  • 48 BATTY // Nov 27, 2008 at 12:21 PM

    why are some fans trying to tell mike ashley how to run his club .He wouldnt tell you how to run your buisesses

  • 49 toptoon // Nov 27, 2008 at 12:22 PM

    I agree with broonale!! i cannot actually believe there are people coming out in favour of mike ashley and dennis wise!! This is the worst newcastle have been for over 10 years.
    in terms of squad size and overall quality. it just shows you how quickly some of these so called supporters forget. honestly i can’t believe it man. sort ya heead oot

  • 50 Little Willie // Nov 27, 2008 at 12:23 PM

    Spyro – I’d heard about our interest in Schweinsteiger before it was even picked up by the press, it was why Keegan was happy to give his “Judge us on who we replace him with when the window closes” when he sold Milner, they thought they had him in the bag when the fee was accepted (just over £9 million) but didn’t expect him to turn us down.

    I’m not going to say where I heard this one but it was from the same person who told me Milner was as good as out of the door (which I told everyone on here) while most thought he would be definitely staying.

  • 51 Spyro // Nov 27, 2008 at 12:24 PM

    I can’t see us being relegated. Teams like Stoke, West Brom and even Hull will all struggle on the other side of Christmas. Teams that rely on hardworking, battling performance tend to struggle in the latter part of the season as you can’t run up and down covering every bit of grass for the whole season with a big squad, let alone a small one. Their lack of depth & quality in the squad will start to show as legs get tired and they are reduced to simple hoof ball.

  • 52 broon ale // Nov 27, 2008 at 12:26 PM

    little willie. can you ask your source when Mike Ashley, Joe kinnear and dennis Wise are leaving. Just so I know when to get the champaigne ready!

  • 53 Spyro // Nov 27, 2008 at 12:26 PM

    Little Willie

    Fair enough. I was not calling you a liar. I just wanted to know whether i had missed a quote from him or a Bayern representative in the press.

  • 54 Spyro // Nov 27, 2008 at 12:27 PM

    I also feel Bolton and West Ham are more likely to struggle than we are.

  • 55 Macas // Nov 27, 2008 at 12:28 PM

    Shearbliss – Bassong came on trial and Keegan decided he was good enough for us from what he saw, not Wise.

  • 56 broon ale // Nov 27, 2008 at 12:29 PM

    spyro. I hope you are right. but you could argue that they are more than half way to a survival points tally already. I dread to think what awaits newcastle when our squad tires considering we have already lost to west ham, sunderland, hull, fulham and blackburn.

  • 57 k k forever // Nov 27, 2008 at 12:30 PM


  • 58 broon ale // Nov 27, 2008 at 12:31 PM

    i was referreing to Hull on my last post

  • 59 Spyro // Nov 27, 2008 at 12:32 PM

    broon ale

    I too do not think Hull will be relegated, but i definitely think they will struggle in 2009. I think Stoke and West brom will go down though.

  • 60 Spyro // Nov 27, 2008 at 12:33 PM

    broon ale

    dont worry, i put 2+2 together 😀

  • 61 broon ale // Nov 27, 2008 at 12:33 PM

    does anyone agree that the Editor should contribute to our debates. Fair enough he adds the topics for us to discuss but more often than not the stories are lifted from other sources. It would be nice if we knew the real ed and his thoughts. I think its important to engage with the vistors to your website and contribute to discussion. dont do a derek llambias on us ed!

  • 62 Little Willie // Nov 27, 2008 at 12:34 PM

    bowburnmag – I agree with a lot of what you say but my loyalties are to the club more that Keegan, he’s someone who knows how to use the press to his advantage and I think a lot of the stories in the press about all of the problems behind the scenes were put out by him in his ‘off the record’ chats he had with certain reporters at the time, all this while making out nothing was wrong when his comments were ‘official’.

    I don’t think we’ll ever find out what happened altogether either as my understanding of it is Keegan has already been paid up and a confidentiality agreement has been signed, similar to the situation where Dalglish left the club and we never heard the full truth about that either.

    Ideally the fans would have kept quiet and gave Ashley and co a chance to rectify the problem and we could have been in a better position to judge them from there, the problem was with all of the fans protesting and the NUSC rubbish a lot of managers who were interested at the time (Terim, Deschamps, Houllier) were put off by the situation which has resulted in a club in limbo.

    I don’t have anything against Ashley or Wise but I just want some stability at the club which will either come about by the club being sold or taken off the market.

  • 63 broon ale // Nov 27, 2008 at 12:37 PM

    agreed on stoke and west brom. stoke however cause me a ball ache. Do I applaud them for playing to their strengths with those long throw ins or do I question whether 50 yard throw ins is what football is all about!

  • 64 Spyro // Nov 27, 2008 at 12:41 PM

    Applaud them mate, they have found a weakness and they are exploiting it to their benefit. If we could win through a throw-in then i would want to see us use it every game.

  • 65 Nick 69 // Nov 27, 2008 at 12:44 PM

    when was i being aggressive, erm i wasnt, who says anyone recommened him to KK, he may have spotted him himself, or one of the scouts may have recommedned him, doesnt mean its got anything to do with wise, so you stop jumping to the defence of shearbliss, because I DO know the truth, keegan took bassong on trial, liked him, and signed him, so what exactly is it that i dont know the truth about????

  • 66 Stardust // Nov 27, 2008 at 12:44 PM


    “Anyway, my main argument is they probably could have come to some sort of agreement. But that is as much Ashley’s fault as it is KK’s I would wager. I get the impression each ego was too big to give way and added to that Ashley’s arrogance in his business ways and insistent on doing it how he wants meant it was doomed to faillure. Ashley has never come out and told us the truth. He offered disrespectful and spiteful soundbites and gave no real explanations or apologies. He took the easy option in throwing in the towel without a fight.”

    History tells you KK walks when the going gets tough – before this debacle I was one of his biggest fans – now I see him as a traitor and a coward who left the players he did sign on a wave of hissfy fitting, ego and tantrums. The man is no longer a man in my eyes.

  • 67 Spyro // Nov 27, 2008 at 12:47 PM

    “who says anyone recommened him to KK, he may have spotted him himself, or one of the scouts may have recommedned him, doesnt mean its got anything to do with wise”

    Exactly my point, you do not know.

    Calling someone a ‘fool’ is what i would call aggressive. Relax.

  • 68 bowburnmag // Nov 27, 2008 at 12:47 PM

    Little Wise – I totally agree with your last comment, although personally I think Ashley has a lot more to answer for than Wise. I never liked Wise’s image on or off the pitch but other than that I have nothing against him and presumably he was just doing as he was told and not doing too shabby a job. I don’t think Ashley has done enough or fought hard enough so I think he owes us in that sense but yes we need to move forward and if it means the fans are collectively the better man then perhaps so be it? Times were a lot simpler when I was too young to know any better. I would just stand on the terrace and try not to scrape my knuckles or get crushed on the bollards and try not to lose my glasses during a rendition of the Blaydon Races. Here’s to all-seater stadiums, contact lenses and simpler times.

  • 69 Little Willie // Nov 27, 2008 at 12:49 PM

    Little Wise?!

    How dare you, sir!

  • 70 KK FOREVER (Ross) // Nov 27, 2008 at 12:50 PM

    broon ale- i despise stoke and their throw in tactic. Fair enough its legal and it happens but its not football, i’d like to know how many of their goals scored this season have came from delap throw in’s, it will be comfortably over half i’ll bet.

  • 71 Nick 69 // Nov 27, 2008 at 12:51 PM

    i am very much relaxed, but my point is valid, keegan took him on trial and decied to sign him, so why does mike ashley deserve credit for that?

  • 72 KK FOREVER (Ross) // Nov 27, 2008 at 12:52 PM

    ok, so maybe not over half, but im sitting here frustrated at my desk and am jumping the gun, it infuriates me man! haha

  • 73 bowburnmag // Nov 27, 2008 at 12:57 PM

    Stardust – you’ve never quite said it like that before but surely if you loved him before this particular debacle then surely his history was irrelevant because you mustn’t have held his previous actions against him? Much of his ‘image’ is a perpetuation of illogical and mythical instances which don’t add up (I know I’ve said this before). It’s easy to look back now and say “ah yeah, it all adds up KK doing his Billy Ocean routine.” but in essence he left all those role for different reasons and justifiably. I just find it hard to understand how a man can be vilified for maing a stand back in ’92 to get what he felt he needed to make this club great and then left when he felt he still couldn’t quite to do it? Maybe he should never have come back but surely you believe his intentions were honourable?

  • 74 bowburnmag // Nov 27, 2008 at 1:01 PM

    Little Wise – haha sorry pal. That made me laugh reading back. Totally unintentional (freudian?? slip?!?!), I must have Wise on the brain. What an awful thought.

  • 75 bowburnmag // Nov 27, 2008 at 1:02 PM

    Little Willie – I did it again!!!!! WTF is wrong with me????

  • 76 Spyro // Nov 27, 2008 at 1:05 PM

    Not saying MA deserves credit. I am just saying, fair enough KK may have made the final choice, but we don’t kow if the player was recommended to him. I personally feel Wise had some part to play in it as he is a director of football, and chances are he probably recommended the player to KK. Much like Comolli would have done in his Tottenham days.

  • 77 Stardust // Nov 27, 2008 at 1:08 PM

    Bowburnmag – I laughed that you didnt know I was one of his biggest fans! Maybe you had missed my post months ago – I was one of the ones arguing against those opposed to his appointment.

    I like you always believed he had reasons for walking – but on this occassion I simply can not forgive him. I see the facts simply as he had made the squad believe again, the squad had improved, we had held Man U to a credible draw. He held the power with the fans to make things happen in time his way.

    If KK really loved the fans, if he really respected and stood up for his team – before ego – I would have been a fence sitter in this whole debate.

    But the fact is he walked, it was only 16 weeks till Jan and he could have made more improvements. If he stayed without that blip of destabilisation when he walked, we would be comfortably 7, 8 maybe higher.

    But he didnt, he walked out on everyone and I now have to give those who criticised his walkouts before their day……… walk out over this was the ultimate disgrace and that hurts me, you and all the fans far more than Ashley has ever done.

  • 78 Shearbliss // Nov 27, 2008 at 1:10 PM

    ‘i am very much relaxed, but my point is valid, keegan took him on trial and decied to sign him, so why does mike ashley deserve credit for that?’
    Nick 69 Because he paid for it!
    I just wish people would get out of KK arse, thinking he chose all these players. the only one I can give credit to KK is guthrie, mainly because KK said he had been looking at him in the close season at Bolton. Therefore if you are going to blame BW and MA for all the shite players I will at least praise hime for the good players including our ACADEMY which is on top of the leauge. That is our future. So the MO of the squad are good enought to keep us in the PL and let the youngsters take us forward. So again thank you MA and DW for this system!

  • 79 bowburnmag // Nov 27, 2008 at 1:13 PM

    Stardust – I probably stumbled across this site just before the summer so that’ll be why I expect. Anyway, old ground covered again. That Bassong is a canny player eh? Great buy from KK……

  • 80 Macas // Nov 27, 2008 at 1:15 PM

    Surely its Jeff Vetere and co who are spotting all these players anyway? Although Wise may be more heavlily involved in recruiting the younger players.

  • 81 Macas // Nov 27, 2008 at 1:20 PM

    Shearbliss – we are in the bottom 3, how can this be an effective system?? And its not a case of people needing to get out of KK’s arse, I feel its more a case of others jumping on his back at every opportunity. The scouting team (Vetere and Co) will have identified Bassong, and Keegan ran the rule over him and thought he was good enough for us. Bassong was on trial at Wolves last season but they didnt sign him, so surely Keegan deserves some of the credit for snapping the lad up??

  • 82 Stardust // Nov 27, 2008 at 1:21 PM

    BBM – Lol

    Macas – I think that proves MA’s view point perfectly – the system should have worked.

    Bassong as a young player would not have been known to KK – he came on trial – therefore KK did not know about him beforehand – so it was the Wise, Vetere structure that found him.

    KK ultimately gave the go ahead – really cant see why he couldnt work with such a system.

  • 83 Macas // Nov 27, 2008 at 1:23 PM

    Stardust – I think you’ll find that most clubs have scouts that identify players.

  • 84 Shearbliss // Nov 27, 2008 at 1:38 PM

    Macas I agree! But surly the same could be said for the board.
    Out of ALL the clubs in the leauge we are always the ones complaining, or demostrating, or something negitive towards the people in authority. All bloggers what will make it any diffrent if the richest person in the world came in and brought all the good players. Would we end up like Chelsea sacking our manager for not winning the Euro cup.
    We will never be satisfied! Remeber two FA finals years ago two managers sacked. what have we done since.

  • 85 Luigi // Nov 27, 2008 at 9:22 PM

    Ashley didn’t understand that for a five year plan to work, you can’t make up a new one every couple of months.

    1.A private man wanting to stay away from the spotlight, believed in letting the manager choose who comes and goes, willing to spend a lot of money on superstars, wanting to have a quick sale.


    2.A man who sits with the fans, enjoys being in the public spotlight, not willing to spend to much money prefering to get free transfers, let manager be in control,happy to watch boring football, bummed Alan Smith


    3.Still sits with the fans, still not wanting to spend much money, hires Keegan because he wants attacking football, wants to focus on youth, gets Dennis Wise to sign players, has a long tem plan, loves the club


    4.Not sitting with fans, not talking to press, tries selling Alan Smith against Keegans wishes, wants to sell,

  • 86 Heavy hitters // Nov 27, 2008 at 9:43 PM

    I dont like this situation where players are talking to the Chronicle. Oliver causes more problems than enough. If its not his beloved Taylor then its Bassong talking, who is a great prospect by the way, I cant stand this man, he can destroy a young player’s career by his comments, as he has done time and time again. If I was manager I’d be having a word with this arsehole!!

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