Oba Martins Annoyed At Being Substituted

Newcastle assistant manager Chris Hughton has said openly that any disagreement with Oba Martins, following his annoyance at being taken off after 65 minutes for Mark Viduka, will be dealt with internally, by the club.

Oba Martins – upset at being taken off

The 24 year-old Nigerian was disappointed at being substituted in the second half of Newcastle’s second no score away draw on the trot this afternoon, at The Riverside stadium.

It was a surprising decision by Joe Kinnear, given that Oba had looked the most dangerous Newcastle player on the field, and Oba already had a brilliant shot hit the cross-bar after 35 minutes of the first half.

The 24-year-old stormed straight down the Riverside tunnel after being replaced by Mark Viduka, who was making his return from injury after 6 months on the sidelines.

We saw no reason why Mark shouldn’t have come on, but the more logical choice for the the player to come off was Michael Owen, based on the performances of Michael and Oba up to that point in the game.

And while Oba should hardly have been replaced, he still had no right to come off like that. More maturity could have seen him bring it up with Kinnear after the game – that’s the real way to deal with these situations.

However, we can well understand why he was annoyed, and we don’t want to see Oba be the scapegoat again, as he was under Big Sam, when he was always second best to Michael Owen, however each of them played.

Big Sam always preferred Michael as a starter and Oba never really got a fair crack of the whip under Sam Allardyce, during his 6 months tenure as manager of the club.

Chris Hughton talked about Oba’s substitution after the game:

“You want nobody to be happy to be taken off,” “But any issues that way are always dealt with in-house, and that’s always the correct way to approach it, always.”

“On the back of last week, what we wanted to do was keep a clean sheet,”   “We felt we had enough in the team to score us a goal here, and as the game opened up in the second half, I genuinely feel, although it could have gone either way, we got into the better areas.”

“If our final ball had been a little bit better, we could have gone on and taken the three points.” “That would be the only disappointing factor, but to come here and get a draw is a good result.”

In truth it was a good performance and a decent point for the team, but Newcastle fans will still be disappointed at not being able to secure our first away win of the season in the league.

We now have Stoke City at home, as our next game, which is now a must-win game for us, and then the following Sunday we’ll have a chance to get our first away win at Fratton Park on the south coast.

Now that Harry Redknapp has moved on from Pompey, that becomes more of a possibility, but we just must start picking up 3 points from these “easier” games.

Comments welcome.

59 comments so far

  • mikeygd

    Nov 29, 2008 at 7:41 PM

    Comment #1

    “If our final ball had been a little bit better, we could have gone on and taken the three points.” “That would be the only disappointing factor, but to come here and get a draw is a good result.”

    If Oba Martins was left on the pitch we could have gone and taken 3 points

  • Gun the Indonesian Geordie

    Nov 29, 2008 at 7:43 PM

    Comment #2

    Well, everyone could see how dangerous he was and nobody should blame him for his feeling of frustration. It was obvious how dangerous he was and how the results might have been if he had been allowed to stay on pitch. Honestly Owen seemed to be missing from my TV screen. Surely cameramen must have had reasons of why he didn’t deserve some captures. I’m not saying he was bad but Martins was a lot better than him this afternoon. I hope Kinnear will be more objective over his substituting decisions in the future.

    The game was not that bad!! Howay the Lads!!

  • Phil,Gosforth

    Nov 29, 2008 at 7:44 PM

    Comment #3

    We need Oba on the pitch man,especially away from home.If you wanna win the game he HAS to stay on.He’s the only one who tries anything from outside the box.Successfully anyway 😀

  • mark

    Nov 29, 2008 at 7:54 PM

    Comment #4

    the only reason he kept owen on even tho he was crap all game was because he want to keep him happy so he singns a new contract

  • Piers

    Nov 29, 2008 at 7:54 PM

    Comment #5

    He was quite right to be pissed…..best player on the pitch other than Bassong.

  • Ed Harrison

    Nov 29, 2008 at 8:01 PM

    Comment #6

    Piers – yes I know. Owen should only be on field if his performances justify it – but Joe is also trying to sign him to a new contract. But Joe still has to be fair – you’re right.

  • tdt

    Nov 29, 2008 at 8:01 PM

    Comment #7

    Harsh on Oba definately, but its a team game, and even though he has the right to be annoyed I think he shouldnt have made such a public scene. I agree with the keeping owen appeased to get him to sigh theory, good also to c the duke back. can anyone tell me the last time we kept 2 consecutive clean sheets? The 4-3-3 would have been the better option I think rather than swapping oba 4 vid. Nonetheless a good foundation to build on, hopefully a win at home to stoke will push us onwards and upwards. Overall a decent result.

  • Ian

    Nov 29, 2008 at 8:03 PM

    Comment #8

    Glad to see Oba cares, but with how Viduka looked and Martins current form, we may not need to be appeasing owen

  • Obafan

    Nov 29, 2008 at 8:18 PM

    Comment #9

    Would Owen react the same way if he was taken off?

    Martins has got the passion for this club and that is very good.

    All the fans saw that Owen didn’t get a ball and didn’t work, so Martins will have seen that too, so his reaction is one of being very dissappointed that he was subbed, which is normal.

    The only person who didn’t see that was the coach, pathetic!

  • Obafan

    Nov 29, 2008 at 8:20 PM

    Comment #10

    Oh and if that is the thinking of Kinnear (letting Owen play to have a better chance of a new contract) then it is very stupid. Cause if Martins feels unhappy he will go to another club. And most of the clubs would take Oba; if they had to choose between him or Owen.

  • canada willie

    Nov 29, 2008 at 8:26 PM

    Comment #11

    What do you expect. He was the only player likely to score and he is taken off . No wonder he was ticked off.

    At the right club Martins would be one of the leagues top scorers

    Good one Joe

  • Tore Torell

    Nov 29, 2008 at 8:29 PM

    Comment #12

    Awful Owen is should leave the pitch before Oba every match. Owen gives us NOTHING with his crappy displays, Oba gives his best every match.

  • DanToon

    Nov 29, 2008 at 8:35 PM

    Comment #13

    Showed Boro too much respect, that’s why we dint win! Kinnear don’t like to attack!

  • John

    Nov 29, 2008 at 8:36 PM

    Comment #14

    It should be clear to everyone by now that Owen and Martins are not a potent force together and both players need a target man to feed off.

    Today, Joe Kinnear had to decide who he would play up front, he chose Owen and Martins with Viduka on the bench. Apart from a great effort from Martins that hit the woodwork nothing else really happened.
    In the 2nd half things did open up a bit more especially when Viduka came on so it does seem that we need a big man with a little man. Up to the substituition you would have to say that Martins was in the game a lot more than Owen yet he had to make way. On current form Martins is playing better than Owen yet Martins does not appear to be getting a “fair crack of the whip.” Joe has done a great job with the defence and on that note it’s great to see Enrique given a run, he is improving every week. We now need some action with the striker’s so it’s decision time and please act quickly because we are now moving into the period where the pitches become heavy. Your call Joe!

  • valle

    Nov 29, 2008 at 8:42 PM

    Comment #15

    Im normally an Owen man, but in this case i completely understand Oba… Owen wasnt in the game at all and Oba had done way more and was more dangerous

  • Andy Boy

    Nov 29, 2008 at 8:56 PM

    Comment #16

    Owen & Martins doesn’t work.. a big man is need to feed one or the other however today the wrong man was taken off. Hopefully Joe will try Viduka & Oba upfront with Owen in behind in the next match. Also does Enrique frighten anyone else when he touches the ball??

  • dave

    Nov 29, 2008 at 9:19 PM

    Comment #17

    Owen looked the worst player on the pitch today. He disappears in every game and we pay him 110k pounds a week for it. Not too much for Oba to ask for 90 minutes. He runs himself to death week in and week out for the club, not to mention 4 goals in the last 6 games and you bring him off? Send Owen packing in the New Year

  • Tom_Toon

    Nov 29, 2008 at 9:25 PM

    Comment #18

    I dont care what people say about Owen!

    He has yet to show me anything except from a few poacher’s goals!

    I’d have Oba in my time over Owen anyday, no matter how eratic he is!

  • Hugh Jorgan

    Nov 29, 2008 at 9:43 PM

    Comment #19

    Why not just get rid of Michael Owen ?
    Along with his horses, golf clubs, helicopter and massive salary.
    Would he really be that much of a miss to Newcastle United ?
    Do you not think he is just one big freeloader happy to take the money, withoout any real commitment to the club ?

  • Ganiyu

    Nov 29, 2008 at 9:53 PM

    Comment #20

    A thorn in the flesh is what we need and thats oba.no matter what favour joe does owen would still in to villa.wise should quickly sell him to raise funds after all he is not the only discovered talented player on earth

  • Isaac Hunt

    Nov 29, 2008 at 9:53 PM

    Comment #21

    I agree Chug. he’s a little waster. He’ll end up re-signing for us if we’re not careful.

  • hisnameisjonas

    Nov 29, 2008 at 9:54 PM

    Comment #22

    what Chris Hughton said doesnt make any scense, it proves how that the training team lack off taktcik knowledge. To take of martins, a hard working striker that put pressure on the oposing team and makes it easier for the midfilders to break the ball, for a man that does’nt move at all is not a defensive call. its rubbish. Middlesborough took controle of the game after martins where taken of because they could stand higher on the field witout martins on the pitch. 2 points lost from lacks of tactikal skills from kinnear an hughton imo.

  • Isaac Hunt

    Nov 29, 2008 at 9:56 PM

    Comment #23

    Guthrie and Barton will be the backbone for the next two years – hard to believe but it’s true.

  • Alex

    Nov 29, 2008 at 9:59 PM

    Comment #24

    What i don’t understand is why did Joe not bring Jonas off and move Oba out wide instead of bringing him off . Jonas was poor today and Oba would have provided an option down the right .

  • hisnameisjonas

    Nov 29, 2008 at 10:03 PM

    Comment #25

    and by the way, butt is the weakest link in the team. it does’nt help the team a bit if you can win the ball and never ever deliver a pass. I would rather have barton play alongside guthrie wen fint. A good cm are the BIGGEST must in january.

  • hisnameisjonas

    Nov 29, 2008 at 10:11 PM

    Comment #26

    alex, if we had taken and moved in to a 4-3-3 downign and aliadere would have pushed us way back so the only option would have been to take off owen or imbo taken off butt for viduka and played on breaks. jonas and zoggy has the flair to do that, but butt is always rouining it by playing a long ball or holding the pace down. i think skjelbred would be excellent for newcastle because of his never stop running mentallity and his one twos and accurate passing. but his weakness is that he lacks a bit of strengt, but given som time in pl he would be great.

  • Brutooooon

    Nov 29, 2008 at 10:33 PM

    Comment #27

    i told this a million times…

    Fact: Martin is younger, faster, got more of the ball, will create more chances 10 TIMES than Owen

    The reason JK keep him is because his wages! and his PAST reputation. Owen is the most overrated player we had!

    Remember because of owen, martins (our best striker) will be forced to move on to other clubs. Martins is definitely our best player plus he is much younger than ageing owen.

    Please guys, please support Martins….

    Owen = overpaid ex eng international who is pass over it.

  • Barcode

    Nov 29, 2008 at 10:57 PM

    Comment #28

    Hughton spoke to sky, probably because JK was laying into Oba. JK wants more minutes by Owen to get him up to speed.
    Jonas has been very poor in the last 2 away games and needs to be dropped when the headless chicken recovers from his groin trouble.
    I’ve no idea what quality loan signings we could get and i’m expecting no-one to come in.

  • Dannufc

    Nov 29, 2008 at 11:12 PM

    Comment #29

    Sad to see. All I want to do of a weekend is watch nufc on motd. Not 0-0 results or us geting beat oba fantastic we al no he loves the club gives his all. He doesn’t deserve this he wants to get goals this season he’s hungry for goals and us doing
    Well . Owens hungry for his England place back?? I can’t believe he’ll stay at our
    club I’m pissed. Joe needs some stick

  • Heavy hitters

    Nov 29, 2008 at 11:36 PM

    Comment #30

    No wonder Martins was pissed off, Owen was one of the poorest players on the pitch and still stayed on. I dont think his face fits and if I was him I’d put a transfer request in now. How many goals do you think we’ll get out of Owen a season? He’s lost his pace and movement and seems to be struggling to adjust his game not to mention his injuries. Oba would be the first striker on my team sheet !!

  • Turkish Magpie

    Nov 30, 2008 at 12:06 AM

    Comment #31

    point wasn’t good enough, but it could of bin 0 points so i’m not complaining

  • AndyNUFC

    Nov 30, 2008 at 12:13 AM

    Comment #32

    It’s not fair to say Martin’s didn’t handle the situation properly, because if anybody, Kinnear didn’t handle the situation properly.

    We all know it should have been Owen off, but he’s too big a star to be substituted and will just walk if he doesn’t get everything his was. Poor man management by Kinnear.

    Martins has the majority of a potentially very promising career ahead of him, Owen only has a few years and is just playing off reputation and some consolation goals this season.

    Have some guts Joe, let Owen go, it will be the best thing this club can do, and get a young, hungry striker in.

  • Vitorbarbosa

    Nov 30, 2008 at 12:46 AM

    Comment #33

    I think Martins is frustrated because he knows he has done more than Owen on that day. He knows he plays better, but still being taken off.

    So, what’s the point of doing better if no matter what you did, you are not the first 11 players that deserve to play full 90 mins?

    I’m annoyed as much as him.

  • Chizzy_Toon

    Nov 30, 2008 at 12:53 AM

    Comment #34

    Hi guys,
    If i was Oba i would be really pi$$ed off.. i cant remember Owen being on the pitch…Oba had the best chnces and more shots on goal,. also i think th back four were spot on. Bassong is quality,

  • Malaysian Toon

    Nov 30, 2008 at 12:59 AM

    Comment #35

    First of all I think Oba is great. I wouldn’t want to trade him for anyone else. Owen I would probably trade for Mark Hughes if he decided to give up coaching and start playing again. Ok maybe that’s a bit extreame. Anyway, I still think that too many of us on the blog think football is like the fantasy football games we play. It’s not. It’s not as simple as take 1 striker off and put on another striker. Even though Owen was playing crap it was because of the system he was playing in and the tactics. And if Viduka actually managed to keep the ball the few times he got it things might have turned out different. Unfortunately he was way too rusty as I don’t remember him give the ball away so easily before. Let the manager do his job guys and stop critisizing him for every unpopular move. If that last shot by Viduka had spilled from the keeper Owen would have scored the winner. And yes before u guys start arguing….i agree that if Martins had been left on the field he also might have turned in a belter from outside the box or something. There’s a lot of if’s and but’s but JFK did what he thought was right. And we should focus on the good things for now. 2 clean sheets in a row. Tremendous performance from Bassong. Given not much to do for a change. It would have given the boys some confidence at the back. Now we start building for the attack. Slowly but surely we have to start somewhere and we seem to be doing it. Boro was always going to be a tough match not because they’re any good but because they seem to think it’s a derby game. Lets just wait for the Stoke game and take it one at a time.

    p.s. Oba has passion that I wish all the lads had. Good lad.

  • matty

    Nov 30, 2008 at 1:04 AM

    Comment #36

    Sick of hearing about Owen day in, day out. Oba has every right to do what he did. Who’s to say what’s professional at this point when we have a manager who swears his head off and an owner who can’t speak to the public? Oba’s the only professional one if you ask me. Kinnear f’d that one up, no doubt about it. Time to worry about Oba being gone in Jan, not Owen.

  • Chizzy_Toon

    Nov 30, 2008 at 1:08 AM

    Comment #37

    matty i agree, i would be more annoyed bout Oba leaving than Owen..

  • reillers

    Nov 30, 2008 at 1:16 AM

    Comment #38

    Annoyed at being subbed, and so he should be. Extremely unfair and a wee bit biased if you ask me.
    He ran himself into the ground. He worked his socks off. But he gets taken off.
    And Owen?? Awful game, stood there, idly by, not doing even a wee bit of work, not a worry in the world. He didn’t work, he just stood there..a great example, great leadership from our inspiring captain.

    He should have been taken off, but no, he was kept on the pitch for one reason and one reason only, because he is Michael Owen, and Kinnear wants to get him to sign a new contract. So he sacrifices a hard working honest player, like Martins, who literally ran himself into the ground, a player who wants to be here, just to keep Owen happy.
    Owen who all ready has the captaincy which he doesn’t deserve and a massive unearned pay check. He didn’t fight to stay on the pitch, he didn’t, unlike Martins, earn his starting place on the team. But he was kept on to keep Owen happy. It’s about time the club realised that it’s about more then just one, has been, big name player.
    Once upon a time he was good, but that was a long time ago, but it’s crap like that, that are denying our younger talented players like Martins, earned game time. We could have won if he stayed on the pitch. The sight of him going off..he looked disgusted, and so he should be.

    Owen is overrated, overpaid and overvalued. Looking at todays preformance and you wonder why he doesn’t get anywhere near a poor English side. He may have only scored one less then Rooney last season, but Rooney is a big part of why United are so successful and why Ronaldo scored so many goals, it was his grafting, his hard work and determination that set up those goals. But Owen, he scores his wee amount of goals from luck, and other peoples hard work.

    I think by now we know that he is overrated and quiet frankly he doesn’t care, he doesn’t want to be here, he thinks he’s better then us, then this club, that he’s too good for us, that he’s doing us a favour just being on the pitch. He will get the shock of his life when the window opens and there’s not one top 4 team looking for him.

    A disgrace that Martins was taken off today, we all know he didn’t deserve it, and it’s about time Joe was fair, that Martins got a fair crack of the whip, and we stopped trying to accommodate an overrated player who quiet simply doesn’t want to be here. It is actions like that that will make us loose players like Martins..Owen isn’t worth that. The club isn’t and never will be only about him. It’s about time he grew up, stopped demanding and sulking, got on with the game or handed in a transfer request, because I’m sick of him messing us around, that I’ll see if I’ve any better options at Christmas malarkey is just typical and disloyal from players who think that they’re better then they are. Ya sure the clubs in trouble but you don’t hear Given, Harper, Martins..etc kicking up a fuss.
    Owen’s past it, and it’s about time we realise it.

  • shaz

    Nov 30, 2008 at 1:31 AM

    Comment #39

    don’t worry your heads about Owen,we will soon be getting him back at Liverpool according to Chris Bascombe.lol.and he is bigger than your club.

  • reillers

    Nov 30, 2008 at 1:41 AM

    Comment #40

    Ah..póg mo thoin. LOL!!!!


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