Oba Martins OK About Being Substituted


Newcastle fans will be pleased to hear that Oba Martins, after being taken off after 65 minutes on Saturday, was OK about it after the game. That’s good news.

Oba Martins (what a photo!) – OK following the game on Saturday
The angry reaction of Martins to his late substitution was one of the talking points of the game on Saturday, and yesterday, not helped by the TV crew, who showed him tossing his white armband onto the field and walking straight down and into the dressing rooms after being substituted.

We know that has worried some Newcastle fans, because Oba is a very popular player on Tyneside, who gives his all for the club, and of course is more than a decent player and still young at just 24. And he was playing very well when he was substituted, of course.

Chris Hughton said today:

“Oba was okay after the game. You want the players to be disappointed at coming off,” “What we have is that little bit more competition for places that we’ve been striving for.”

“Will he be punished? Any issues that way are always dealt with in-house.”

We think the best way to handle this is just like Kevin did when the same thing happened to him. Oba was just disappointed, probably because he thought he could win the game for the club.

A nice little talk between Joe and Oba will let the youngster know he’s still a very important player for Newcastle United, and the fans know it.

Make sure you tell him Joe.
Comments welcome.



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55 comments so far

  • geordie jock

    Dec 1, 2008 at 11:12 AM

    Comment #1

    Still can’t understand why Owen wasn’t taken off. Martins was the only player who looked capable of scoring.

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  • boater

    Dec 1, 2008 at 11:17 AM

    Comment #2

    Every single match report and person I have spoken to I have read has said he was justified to be miffed.

    The shadow of reputations a la Owen and Duff loom large in the machinations of JK. Beware the fate of Allardyce.

    Why didn’t we play the 3? Guti or Zog would have been better coming off.

    I agree with whoever said it… we WOULD have got the points with him on the pitch you could just sense it somehow… he was doing his shaping up – like a cat poised to strike – obviously JK is more of a singles than a trebles man.

    If martins or Zog leave due to lack of favour from JK … i will cry.

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  • Ausgeordie

    Dec 1, 2008 at 11:19 AM

    Comment #3

    Was expecting a quote from Oba…..how can we know he is okay with it. He’s unpredictable off the field and on it.

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  • african-kenyan-ronniezog

    Dec 1, 2008 at 11:22 AM

    Comment #4

    boater-i will cry too

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  • KK never again (Timberhead)

    Dec 1, 2008 at 11:24 AM

    Comment #5

    Butt for me to come off as he look likes boro’s biggest threat.

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  • Whumpie

    Dec 1, 2008 at 11:26 AM

    Comment #6

    I think JFK was going for the ‘safe’ combo of two experienced players, one specialising in holding up the ball, the other in being in the right place to take advantage of that.

    Oba doesn’t rely on a holder-upper to score, and isn’t as good at positioning and poaching as Owen. I also suspect he was going for the draw at that point and was not about to do anything to weaken the defensive shape of the field.

    It’s that last bit that worries me – we should expect to win these matches, although I suppose two successive shut-outs is an important 1st for this season. If you’re looking to just survive – which is what JFK is tasked with – then 1 point away is what you go for, I suppose.

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  • Whumpie

    Dec 1, 2008 at 11:28 AM

    Comment #7

    By the way – does anybody else have serious doubts about having Owen & Oba fronting a 4-4-2? I just don’t think it’ll ever work.

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  • Spyro

    Dec 1, 2008 at 11:30 AM

    Comment #8

    I doubt Martins is ok, what nonsense! How would you feel after working hard, playing well and still getting subbed over someone who has barely touched the ball? This is why Owen needs to go, his reputation causes us nothing but trouble. Constant unsettling speculation and Managers who are scare dof subbing him. Sunderland are playing poorly and Keane might leave, steal Cisse from them before they try and sign him in the summer, he is much better than Owen.

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  • DanToon

    Dec 1, 2008 at 11:32 AM

    Comment #9

    My team v Stoke,

    ………………Given

    Baye Coloccini Bassong Taylor

    ..Jonas Butt Guthrie N’zogbia

    ……….Viduka Martins

    Taylor needs to be in because 75% of Stokes attack’s will be airborne n’ that’s what he’s best at! Viduka need’s to be in because be need as much strength over the park as possible. I’ve seen Stoke twice this season and Arsene Wenger was right they do try to bully teams! If were level or behind after 60mins bring Owen on for Butt and go 4-3-3.

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  • Spyro

    Dec 1, 2008 at 11:33 AM

    Comment #10

    I wait to see what happens if JK subs Martins over Owen on Saturday. I can’t imagine the fans giving a round of applause.

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  • boater

    Dec 1, 2008 at 11:33 AM

    Comment #11

    Whumpie… you keep saying that. It HAS worked in the past – and sometimes not so.

    It depends a lot on the supply line.. and the midfield.. our single purposeful midfield pass was when following Guthrie’s run.. and that was a deflection – so Van Basten and Pele would struggle with such a square midfield and with Guti playing SOOO deep. What’s the point in having him if he’s not allowed to go past the half way line?

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  • Bosck

    Dec 1, 2008 at 11:36 AM

    Comment #12

    I really don’t see why people can’t understand not substituting Owen. He was clearly not going to be substituted despite the fact that Martins was probably playing better. You do not substitute you’re captain unless injured or the game is well won. Thats obvious.

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  • Spyro

    Dec 1, 2008 at 11:37 AM

    Comment #13

    Personally i would play

    ————————-Given————————
    Beye/Taylor—-Colo——Seb—— Beye/Jose
    Jonas———-Butt———Guthrie——–Zoggy
    —————–Viduka—–Martins—————-

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  • Spyro

    Dec 1, 2008 at 11:39 AM

    Comment #14

    Anyone should get subbed if they are not playing well. I have seen it happen to Gareth Barry when he wasn’t playing well at the very beginning of the season so why not Owen? If it is such a problem then remove captaincy from Owen. He hardly deserves it anyway, this has been clear since the Tottenham match.

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  • Nick 69

    Dec 1, 2008 at 11:41 AM

    Comment #15

    we NEED michael owen to stay, he is the best player in the squad by a country mile, anyone who thinks otherwise is just plain stupid, all that needs to happen is JK needs to stop being a spineless whimp and take him off when hes playing crap and martins is playing well, he also needs to do this with nzogbia in place of duff. its plain to see already that JK is a bottler, he bottled the makems, he bottled fulham wen we cud hav won, hes bottled playin nzog instead of duff numerous times and now hes bottled taking MO off, STOP BEING A WHIMP JOE KINNEAR!!

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  • Nick 69

    Dec 1, 2008 at 11:43 AM

    Comment #16

    garteh barry isnt the captain

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  • Tom_Toon

    Dec 1, 2008 at 11:44 AM

    Comment #17

    I’d sell Owen.

    Does anyone else share my view that Martins would be good as a lone striker as long as the wingers or a CM are willing to attack?

    I have had this view for ages, just like to see what people thought.

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  • Spyro

    Dec 1, 2008 at 11:44 AM

    Comment #18

    But he was at the beginning of the season wasn’t he.

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  • Spyro

    Dec 1, 2008 at 11:47 AM

    Comment #19

    Has Owen ever scored more than about 12 goals for us in a season?

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  • Nick 69

    Dec 1, 2008 at 11:49 AM

    Comment #20

    he had the captaincy taken from him before the season began when he wanted to go to liverpool, he had to start from the bench the first few games, anyway thats neither here nor there, i agree 100% with you that someone should be taken off wether they are captain or not, the armband does not make you invincible and owen deserved to be subbed on sat

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  • Spyro

    Dec 1, 2008 at 11:50 AM

    Comment #21

    Fair enough then, my mistake. I was under the impression that Barry played the first 3 games or so as captain.

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  • Xisco Stu

    Dec 1, 2008 at 11:51 AM

    Comment #22

    I’m surprised this incident hasn’t ended in JK being investigated in a racism probe due to his actions against Oba.

    Everything else seems to get blown out of all proportion.

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  • boater

    Dec 1, 2008 at 11:52 AM

    Comment #23

    Nick69… I agree that JK has let himself down with his nerves during games.. I think he’s done well overall and got some solid performances back. It’s agonising to watch us not build on those platforms though with 20 or 30 mins left… Fulham, Wigan, the scum, city, and now the smoggs were all winnable but he bottled it with subs during the match.

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  • Nick 69

    Dec 1, 2008 at 11:52 AM

    Comment #24

    owen scored 7 his 1st season, 0 his 2nd season and 13 last season, 6 so far this season

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  • boater

    Dec 1, 2008 at 11:55 AM

    Comment #25

    Tom Toon…. Oba scores goals when he has pace around him… I remember him and Dyer played very well together under Roder. So, yes him and Zog and Guti should work well given time… in fact both have provided assists in recent matches.

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  • Danish_Magpie

    Dec 1, 2008 at 11:56 AM

    Comment #26

    One (possibly two?) bad games and everyone has Owen out of the starting line-up? Just two weeks ago Joe Kinnear was being scolded and slated for leaving our best player on the bench, what on earth was he thinking etc. Seriously, some people change their opinions like they change socks. Viduka is not fit to play 90 minutes yet! I am not saying Owen shouldn’t have come off on saturday instead of Oba, but why must every sentiment be so black and white? I think we should all try to be a little less critical cuz otherwise there will always be something we are complaning about. This latest example of first everyone going off on Kinnear for NOT playing Owen and then literally 14 days later, the entire message board is full of people calling Joe an idiot again FOR playing Owen… Come on guys, we can do better than that, let’s raise the level in here a bit and show some more balance in our views.

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  • Nick 69

    Dec 1, 2008 at 11:56 AM

    Comment #27

    tom toon- i think he cud play well alone if we had an AM, i.e lampard, gerrard, cahill type player, or a couple of goal scoring wingers, we currently lack both types of player

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  • Spyro

    Dec 1, 2008 at 11:58 AM

    Comment #28

    Nick69

    Considering he doesn’t help create chances, I don’t see that as good enough really. For whatever reason, Owen has not delivered for us and he needs to be moved on imo. Whether it be down to injuries or the fact that he just doesn’t suit our squad is irrelevant. We need a striker who can create and score goals. I would nick Cisse from Sunderland before they sign him permanently.

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  • boater

    Dec 1, 2008 at 11:59 AM

    Comment #29

    Danish Magpie… I think you’ll find very few supporters were itching to see Owen re-installed in a hurry. The press were loving it… but not the supporters.
    This has nowt to do with Owen… you could just smell it in the air – Oba was gonna get a goal the other day and from his reaction you could tell that he was thinking the same… some days you just know it with Martins- obviously JK bottled it… that’s the worry.

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  • Spyro

    Dec 1, 2008 at 11:59 AM

    Comment #30

    If we had Barton in AM, he & Martins could form a Gerrard + Torres style partnership.

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  • Whumpie

    Dec 1, 2008 at 12:00 PM

    Comment #31

    I agree with the “don’t sub the skipper” thing and just think JFK was right to go with a pairing who could drop deep to keep pressure of the defence, but who are also a tailor-made pair for making goals out of nothing on the break.

    Cynical maybe, boring definitely, but JFK was doing exactly what he’s been paid to do: keep us in the premiership. It’s boring, but it’s how you stay up.

    BUT I’ll be highly miffed if JFK does anything less than all-out against Stoke. I’d like to see:

    – Given
    Beye Colo Bassong Enrique
    – Jonas Guthrie N’Zogbia
    – Owen
    – Martins Viduka

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  • Spyro

    Dec 1, 2008 at 12:01 PM

    Comment #32

    Also, teams with a good defence handle Owen way too easily.

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  • Tom_Toon

    Dec 1, 2008 at 12:03 PM

    Comment #33

    Make it a ‘decent’ defence.

    Owen has no pace.

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  • Spyro

    Dec 1, 2008 at 12:03 PM

    Comment #34

    Whumpie

    Butt will definitely play. he is more immune to being dropped than Owen.

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  • Whumpie

    Dec 1, 2008 at 12:04 PM

    Comment #35

    Danish_Magpie – well said. J FK has a job to do and sees what’s happenining on the training ground every day. Yet we all suppose to be more informed in our decisions than him and slag him off for whatever he does every time we get less than the 3 points.

    When you’re living a long way from the North East, you get a bit sick of the ‘Cartoon Army’ jibes – and it’s this fickleness that gives people the ammo.

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  • Danish_Magpie

    Dec 1, 2008 at 12:04 PM

    Comment #36

    boater,

    I urge you to go back and read this blog after Ameobi started ahead of Owen v. Wigan. Most of the post-match chat was slating Kinnear for not starting with our most proven goalscorer.

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  • boater

    Dec 1, 2008 at 12:05 PM

    Comment #37

    Whumpie… everyone said the same thing after Chelsea … ‘go for broke against boro I seem to remember.’ Jk’s caution in the closing stages has cost us points against City, smoggs, Fulham and Wigan…

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  • boater

    Dec 1, 2008 at 12:05 PM

    Comment #38

    Whumpie… everyone said the same thing after Chelsea … ‘go for broke against boro’ I seem to remember. Jk’s caution in the closing stages has cost us points against City, smoggs, Fulham and Wigan…

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  • Danish_Magpie

    Dec 1, 2008 at 12:09 PM

    Comment #39

    Hear Whumpie,

    Let us back the team and the manager. He is out there with them every single day. People were calling him an idiot and moron for not starting Zoggy over Duff (which I admit I also was inclined to feel) but look how he performed against Boro… it wasn’t a great game for him. Now I am not saying he shouldn’t start, just urging people to be a bit more balanced in their views.

    And apperently sentiment is REALLY turning on Owen now. Owen has not become a worse player, he is a great great player and goalscorer and I hope he scores a couple this weekend to get some of you guys off his back. If he doesn’t want to sign a new contract, fine get rid of him, but let’s not act like he is not a class player. Earlier this season when he was scoring in every game I didn’t hear much of this talk? If he doesn’t score soon I think all the Steven Taylor haters will have found themself another “he is english and over-rated’ target and start suggesting playing Nile Ranger and Xisco in front of him.. Sigh.

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  • Whumpie

    Dec 1, 2008 at 12:09 PM

    Comment #40

    Owen is our top scorer, with twice the strike rate of anyone else. Why the hell is everyone suddenly making out he’s some sort of flop?

    No, he’s not as quick as he used to be – but to say he’s “easy to defend against” is just hatstand. How can he be easy to defend against when he clearly gets past and scores more per minute on the field than any of our other SIX strikers?

    Some people just don’t like anyone who’s successful or who doesn’t get good ratings on Football Manager games….

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