Newcastle Humbled By An In-Form Liverpool Side

In retrospect, this morning was not a good time for Mike Ashely to announce he would remain owner of the Newcastle United club.


Joe Kinnear – missing too many players today

Newcastle put in their worst performance under manager Joe Kinnear this afternoon, and suffered their worst defeat of the year with a 5-1 hammering by a very in-form Liverpool side.

Liverpool looked tremendous today, and on this form, The Reds will be a hard team to overtake in the league this season.

For those who didn’t see the game, let’s just say the good news is that the score-line could have been a lot worse, but for the brilliant goalkeeping by Irish International Shay Given.

How he managed to keep the scores level at 0-0 in the first 30 minutes has to be classed as some kind of miracle.

We think he was putting a video together for some of his best-ever saves on Tyneside, because he was a miracle man in the first half today.

Hey, at least we have a good goalkeeper – now for the other 10.   😀

Yes, Newcastle were short of Sebastien Bassong and Habib Beye in defense, and Joey Barton in midfield and Oba Martins up front, but this is proof, in case we needed it, that we need a much bigger squad, and with a lot more quality.

Liverpool showed quality in everything they did, and we’re just pleased that Steven Gerrard is English. Gerrard was appluaded off the field after his two goals and another masterful display for Liverpool – what a player this boy is.

It was a sobering experience to watch just how much Liverpool were better than us today. 🙁

Kinnear talked to Sky Sports after the game:

“We were short of about six or seven players,”

“Everything else that could have gone against us went against us today, even from when we had just got a settled back four, we lost two at Wigan, so we had to change things round a little bit.”

“Of course, we had to play one of the best teams I’ve seen in a long while and you’ve got to take your hat off to Liverpool.”

“They were always in command, but I thought we had a lifeline when we got back to 2-1, but to be fair to them they could have put the game to bed in the first half.”

“We looked a little bit tired at times as well with the second game coming so quickly. It shows we are struggling as far as strength in depth is concerned with players.”

“When you’ve got seven key players missing it’s never going to be easy, irrespective of who you play against.”

“Unfortunately, we had to play an in-form side today. Steven Gerrard was magnificent and fair credit to them, but I would have liked to have gone in with the best 11 we had.”

We shouldn’t worry too much about this game, because Liverpool were in-form, and since they are one of the best teams in Europe, it may be just one of those games.

Remember we don’t have to play Liverpool in every game, thank goodness.

But we didn’t play well today, to say the least, and now is the time for Ashley Kinnear, Wise and hopefully Chris Mort, to ensure that by the time February rolls around, Newcastle have at least 5 new good players in the squad.

This is a bad finish to a terrible year, let’s face it, but we have to look forward,  and hope we can start knitting together a much better squad, that is much bigger in numbers, and has a lot more quality in it.

Comments welcome.

72 comments so far

  • toonoholic

    Dec 28, 2008 at 4:22 PM

    Comment #1

    first it was 3, then it was 5 and today 6-7 players short.
    next bet

    9 players 1/5
    11 players 1/5
    13 players 1/5

  • neeraj

    Dec 28, 2008 at 4:23 PM

    Comment #2

    i feel for jk

    our 2nd string players are 30….

    we have only 1 good 2nd string player ie guthrie, who has stepped up to the plate….

    all others are championship standard…..

  • nimo

    Dec 28, 2008 at 4:24 PM

    Comment #3

    kinnear is getting the best out of a bad bunch get off his back

  • wigaz

    Dec 28, 2008 at 4:24 PM

    Comment #4

    To be fair Gerrard is the best CM in the world IMO. But it did show that Butt is well off prem pace as poo Guthrie had to try & deal with the whole Pool mid by himself! I think Guthrie will be a fantastic player for us & that we should get in a DM & AM so we can progress. There is too many players currently on our books who are no longer good enough or never will be good enough! Get rid of Shite Joe & rebuild!

  • wigaz

    Dec 28, 2008 at 4:26 PM

    Comment #5

    Sorry Guthrie is not poo meant to say poor lol!

  • neeraj

    Dec 28, 2008 at 4:34 PM

    Comment #6


    guthrie is 21, and he had one bad half…..
    in first half he was over whelmed that he was playing against gerrard and his old club….

    he is backup to barton and nacho(mystery man)…

  • neeraj

    Dec 28, 2008 at 4:34 PM

    Comment #7

    sorry wigaz i only read poor

  • reillers

    Dec 28, 2008 at 4:37 PM

    Comment #8

    That preformance was a joke to say the least. Everyone, except Given, were pathetic. And looking at the poll for who was the best players against Liverpool, there is no reason at all why Given should have anything but 100% votes. How, who, voted for Owen like the man didn’t have a touch of the ball, the only contribution I remember him making was coming off and forgetting to take off “his” captains armband.

  • darren

    Dec 28, 2008 at 4:41 PM

    Comment #9

    It was a pretty depressing game to watch – we just looked so devoid of quality and ideas.

    However, I’d add Ameobi’s name to those who performed well. I’m not usually a great fan, but his introduction did increase our threat going forwards.

    Owen was really ineffective though – I’d be tempted to attempt to mix up our attack if I was JK – Xisco and Ranger at least making the bench on occasion.

  • neeraj

    Dec 28, 2008 at 4:42 PM

    Comment #10


    the guy must be a liverpool fan….

    he has shown his loyalty to his former team…..

  • marshy

    Dec 28, 2008 at 4:42 PM

    Comment #11

    if you give any team a load of room then they will play well and today we gave liverpool loads of room especially gerrard who just strolled around our half and did vitually anything he for GIVEN he is a great shot stopper but I wish he would come out for crosses more often.I think a couple of goals could have been stopped today if he come out for crosses.

  • wigaz

    Dec 28, 2008 at 4:43 PM

    Comment #12

    Ne botha Neeraj. i really like Guthrie he’s a very honest hard working player but he needs quality next to him, we cant expect him to clean up an old man’s mistakes every game! Again i hate Cattermole! he knackt Barton just when he was getting back to where we need him to be. Stephen Appiah on a free & bullard for £2-3m please! and Baines for LB will do for starters Joe. Really hope Ash gives him cash to spend coz after today surely even he can see we need it!

  • ToonKing

    Dec 28, 2008 at 4:53 PM

    Comment #13

    this has been a shite week…..this break is just what we need .

    2 questions :

    1. Is bassong suspended for 3 games ??

    2. When is Barton due to come back ??

  • safferusa

    Dec 28, 2008 at 4:54 PM

    Comment #14

    Well we got beat by the team who will probably win the title and a good shot at the champs league too, our display was dissapointing but we are by no means title or cup contenders for anything now so what did everyone expect? Add to that injuries in key areas and then even our bit of recent consistency couldnt have been retained.

    We need to write this game off and be more realistic, its not the end of the world to lose badly to the pool, most teams do. Lets get a run going again and start beating the teams around us!

  • wigaz

    Dec 28, 2008 at 4:55 PM

    Comment #15

    Toon king yes & till march mate!

  • Dennis Twice

    Dec 28, 2008 at 4:57 PM

    Comment #16


    Beye Colo Bassong Bale

    xxx Barton Gutherie Jonas/Duff

    Martins Bellamy

  • ToonKing

    Dec 28, 2008 at 4:58 PM

    Comment #17

    damn Wigaz….you just made my day even worse…. 🙂

    Wasn’t Barton supposed to be ready late January ?


    Any news on Beye ?? although i don’t think we will see him anymore this season…

  • bill

    Dec 28, 2008 at 4:59 PM

    Comment #18

    Yep, Wigan, Fulham, Hull, etc, etc, are a top teams too. Wake up.

  • beyethegreat

    Dec 28, 2008 at 5:08 PM

    Comment #19,,10278~1501946,00.html

    gd comments from lee

  • Brazilian Geordie

    Dec 28, 2008 at 5:09 PM

    Comment #20

    I think the most important thing is that the players didn’t lost their minds, except Taylor – a little bit. But we haven’t had anyone being sent off and players have to make sure the Premier League goes on, and will not continue – BECAUSE THAT’S JUST IMPOSSIBLE – to play that bad.

    Another point is that even Seb Bassong being a little ‘dumb’ – I think he commit too needless faults and risks us too much inside the penalty area – he has been the leader of our defense. Maybe more than Coloccini. He’s powerful and fitful.

    But we certainly need some players, and must sign in TWO side backs. One to replace or just challenge Enrique. He’s doing good, but look at the momment he let Benayoun run free to cross for Gerrard’s goal. Unacceptable. And we can’t continue using Edgar or even Taylor on right-back. Beye is a good player, but another RB would be great to challenge him, even because Habib has his flaws too.

    Jonas Gutierrez has had a real argetinian performance today. Runned too much for nothing. Poor performance, and hey, he showed commitment whatsoever, but let’s assume he didn’t create anything.

    Another point is that a new foward must be brought in. Xisco will certainly not solve none of our problems. Viduka is always injured and will left the club as well as Michael Owen. Not to mention if we lose Martins. But let’s say that having just Oba, Shola and Carroll is not that big deal. We must bring in another GOOD, VERY GOOD ONE. Or even two.

    About the tatics, not too much to say. Side backs poor, defense totally lost in the game. Not to mention the midfield, who was just denied every ball by the Liverpool one. And finally the attack which was just useless because Duff and Owen cannot play togheter.

    Life goes on, the league too. We absolutely still have a great but this game was good to notice our flaws. Prepare to WHU.

  • wigaz

    Dec 28, 2008 at 5:15 PM

    Comment #21

    Dennis twice at least bellers played for the shirt unlike some of these toss forwards we have now! Toon king on Sky sports website link on story under this one sounds like Barton may be back against West Ham after FA cup. Hope he is coz we miss him & Oba bog time! If we buy Upson in Jan then we could play him & colo then when bassong is back play colo dm or play with 3 cbs & Wing backs.


    Dec 28, 2008 at 5:16 PM

    Comment #22

    To be honest i wasnt expecting anything other than a beating today, unless we had lady luck on our side and they had a player sent off.
    Even under Kinnear (even though he has done well since coming in) Newcastle find it so much harder to win than lose, and when we do win its very unconvincing the majority of the time.
    On the plus sides of the thrashing today – Ashely must have had a rude awakening of the gulf between the top and us and the committment he has reasigned himself too – this starts in January in the transfer window and he has to deliver because we will be fighting for every point this year.
    On the negative side, its a shame on Sir Bobbys day that he had to watch such a pathetic performance from us

  • M.Stockley

    Dec 28, 2008 at 5:16 PM

    Comment #23

    personally id jump at the chance of having bellamy back but we have no chance of getting bale…. good looking team though- dennis twice, for the right wing valencia altho again thats maybe being too ambitious

  • Stuart

    Dec 28, 2008 at 5:19 PM

    Comment #24

    Piss poor as per!!!

    Yet again we were shite! We create 2 chances per game and that’s the managers fault!


    Dec 28, 2008 at 5:22 PM

    Comment #25


  • dan

    Dec 28, 2008 at 5:23 PM

    Comment #26

    Glad I didnt watch it. Get rid of the goal poacher Owen who never touches the ball and will only get worse from now on. Get rid of his wages and bring in a pacy hard working striker like Cisse!

  • Brazilian Geordie

    Dec 28, 2008 at 5:23 PM

    Comment #27

    About the game, I think it’s easy to say.

    We haven’t have many important players and our defense was so confused.

    And, with so less quality, Joe decided to risk. His decision, added to Babel’s goal just made the game impossible to do something. The players turned to have no commit and have just nothing to do on the game. No motivation.

    So, absolutely poor performance. But we were doing well in the last games, and we need to go on.


    Dec 28, 2008 at 5:27 PM

    Comment #28

    We cannot complain about the performance today,
    How on earth could we control Gerrard????
    Butt was nowhere today and its better in my eyes to allow Lua Lua time on the field and let hi play instead of Butt.
    How would you guys feel if you were Guthrie???
    I`d be depressed playin in the middle with Butt
    It probably aint his fault but his legs are gone.

  • craig chisholm

    Dec 28, 2008 at 5:29 PM

    Comment #29

    was at the game and we were total shit. any team in the prem would have beaten us. appart from given and duffers we were wank in the highest order. i was laughing out loud cos we were that bad today. our back line os a joke and has no direction or leadership. we have no-one in the mid field to marshall a game and as owen is so small and is getting poor service he is being left doing nothing but chasing shadows.
    so, ashley stays – theres a suprise – not. just how he plans to ‘take us forward in 2009’ i just cant wait to see. we need serious investment on the pitch – we are present a champoinship team, not a prem team. we need serious investment from the fat one, not just 2 million in two years (sum total to date). we need someone to invest in ready to go players NOW, not just kids for 5 years time. ashley needs to bankrole some serious coin just to keep us in the prem i think.

  • GeordieJayne

    Dec 28, 2008 at 5:29 PM

    Comment #30

    Just goes to show the strength and depth we have in this squad as some Pro Cashley supporters would like us to think.

    We are so so lucky that other teams are doing really bad this season

  • Sham Sword

    Dec 28, 2008 at 5:29 PM

    Comment #31

    after today’s match i doubt that we paid 10 million for bassong and got colo on free transfer

  • Xisco Stu

    Dec 28, 2008 at 5:30 PM

    Comment #32

    Bring back Sibierski!

  • wigaz

    Dec 28, 2008 at 5:30 PM

    Comment #33

    Well said Marty! It’s quite sad really to see a once great player like Butt Fading away right before your eyes. He should be used sparingly & we should let guthrie play in his place with Bullard until we get Barton back fit then the manager can decide who to play.

  • ToonTinka

    Dec 28, 2008 at 5:37 PM

    Comment #34

    One word, embarracing.

    It’s hit home that we are a championship side when we have a few injuries.

    If that dosn’t make Owen’s mind up for him nothing will.

    What a load of sh#te

  • beyethegreat

    Dec 28, 2008 at 5:44 PM

    Comment #35

    i found this hilarrious

    pedro”we are a big club and we need a big owner ad he (ma) certainly is that”

    nice double entendre from pedro whether intendded or not,,10278~1501996,00.html


    Dec 28, 2008 at 5:57 PM

    Comment #36

    Hm, read some comments about the suspention of Bassong, are you sure that he misses 3 games? I thought he only misses 1 game!

    And also Barton has a chance to be back for West Ham. That both would be very nice news! Even Beye isn’t ruled out completely yet, althought I guess he will. Ah yes and Martins will be back as well!

  • wigaz

    Dec 28, 2008 at 6:01 PM

    Comment #37

    Think your right elfer hope so we need bassong back asap! was reading sunday sun ( I know not the gospel) but in it Joe was saying we have looked at possible replacements for owen.

  • bill

    Dec 28, 2008 at 6:01 PM

    Comment #38

    Newcastle’s midfield is rubbish, Butt and Guthrie together is not a good combination. Neither of them has any pace, and neither of them is crafty on the ball.

    Gerrard is only any good when he has plenty of space to work in, if Newcastle had parked the bus he wouldn’t have had any space to work in.

    The scoreline is a disgrace; I don’t care if we had the juniors out on the pitch, we shouldn’t be losing 5-1 at home to anyone. Our team is a joke and I’m sick of it being seen as one.

    I have supported this team for about 50 years and I am sick of false dawns. When the f*** are we going to have a team that can win something?

  • ToonKing

    Dec 28, 2008 at 6:05 PM

    Comment #39

    I asked before too, but a direct red card is a 3 game suspension so i guess no Bassong for another 2 games….

  • wigaz

    Dec 28, 2008 at 6:06 PM

    Comment #40

    Bill well within your rights to say it mate! we have fell so far from where we were under KK & Bobby, even then we were still a fair bit off winning something but can we get back to there? that is the big question.


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