If Not For Given, Who Knows What Score Would Have Been?


Joe Kinnear has given lots of interviews this morning, probably in an attempt to get over the shock of yesterday’s catastrophic defeat at the hands of Premier League leaders, Liverpool.

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Shay Given – world class display yesterday – and that’s the truth

Kinnear talked to the Evening Chronilce today about Shay Given:|

“To be fair, if it wasn’t for Shay Given, who knows what the score would have been?”

“I’ve never seen a performance from a goalkeeper like it in my life – he kept us in the game before their first goal with save after save.”

“The only great things were Shay Given’s performance and, of course, the supporters, and I’m disappointed for them.”

“That’s why it’s so important to have a settled back four.” “We’ll learn from this, and we do need some reinforcements, there’s no question about it.”

“They drove at us. I thought some of our players were leggy.” “They had a tough game at Wigan, but what we had was what we had – we were threadbare.”

“We chopped and changed, and put players in that were half fit.” “Thankfully, Shola Ameobi turned up – he hadn’t trained all week.”

“We just had to go with him – I just said ‘we’ve got to get 45 minutes out of you’.” “We had no Mark Viduka or Alan Smith, and I can go on and on. It’s behind us now.”

“Thankfully, it’s over, but it’s not finished in the best possible manner.”

We’re glad the game is over quite honestly, and now we can get some of our pride back, starting next Saturday at Hull in the 3rd round of the FA Cup.

We will play a much more ordinary side in Hull City, who have been struggling of late and were also thrashed 5-1 last time out, at Manchester City on Boxing Day.  And let’s face it Man City are no Liverpool.

Hull City is a very winnable game for us, and that no doubt is what Joe Kinnear is also thinking.


Howay The Lads!!



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22 comments so far

  • cloudstrife

    Dec 29, 2008 at 1:54 PM

    Comment #1

    is there a keeper in the prem better than Given? honestly, no bias coz i’m a Toon fan, but i dont think so. shame he’s got no trophies to show for it. cue the comparisons with Le Tissier who was great but due to his loyalty to Southampton never won anything or got the recognition he deserved.

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  • Gordon

    Dec 29, 2008 at 1:55 PM

    Comment #2

    Indeed, Shay was on form even if most of the others weren’t.

    I know we got hammered but I can’t get too upset about the result. We were beaten by a fantastic team on the top of their form and even if we’d had our best 11 and played out of our skins I doubt we’d have won.

    I find this sort of defeat much easier to take than those where we’ve basically been the better team and thrown a game away.

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  • M.Stockley

    Dec 29, 2008 at 2:02 PM

    Comment #3

    losing to the best is fine….. its just getting 5 thumped past you at home is so painful. i had written off pool game completly….but i expected a slightly more dignified scoreline… if it wasnt for shay we’d probably have the worse goal difference in the league after ydays game alone… seriously could have been double figures. in jan we need to stenghthen all areas. strenght in depth is a luxury we havent had in a long time….upson tops my wanted list

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  • cloudstrife

    Dec 29, 2008 at 2:04 PM

    Comment #4

    true Gordon, i’d rather this kind of defeat compared to throwing away the games we dominate. but it shows how large the gulf in class is between us and Liverpool. not one of our outfield 11 would have started for Liverpool. we got a long way to go.

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  • Sav

    Dec 29, 2008 at 2:26 PM

    Comment #5

    But the fact is they didn’t just make us look bad – we WERE bad. The defending was woeful, so was much of the passing, the midfield was non-existent and many of our errors were unforced ones. You copuld see that Shay was not delighted with his own performance. He is a team man and deserves better. So do the paying fans.
    What are Ashley and Joe going to do about it? We have apparently already been rebuffed for 4 players. What will their response be?

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  • Ageordiedoonsooth

    Dec 29, 2008 at 2:27 PM

    Comment #6

    Sunday’s result was embarressing 4 of their 5 goals were through poor defending and if it hadn’t been for Given it would have been double figures. Collicini was dire he can’t head or tackle. We should have changed formation at half-time going for 4-5-1 with somebody assigned to picking up Gerrard. I agree Gerrard looked great but he was given so much room it was untrue. We need at least 6-7 players in January that can step straight in to the team. It’s time for Mr Ashley to get off the pot & put his hand in his pocket.

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  • ObaMartins

    Dec 29, 2008 at 2:29 PM

    Comment #7

    Shay Given is a Geordie…He loves NUFC its Fans and the Place, he is Second to Non in the Premiership….He Deserves better than to be playing for Ashley and Joke Kinnear…

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  • graeme

    Dec 29, 2008 at 3:17 PM

    Comment #8

    A few more performances like yesterday by the rest of the team and the chances are Shay Given will be banking a massive signing on fee and saying goodbye.

    Lets be brutally honest here, why does he need this sort of shit when he could be playing for a hell of a lot more money for Man Shitty or the Arse and actually being in with a chance of winning something.

    At the moment, the only thing we can hope to achieve this season is securing our place in the Premier League; nothing else matters, forget the FA cup.

    How the senior management can allow the current contract problems to arise for our main players just shown how little they actually know about running a football club. God help us.

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  • heavyhitters

    Dec 29, 2008 at 3:27 PM

    Comment #9

    Shay made some of the best saves I have ever seen yesterday. Taylor and Colo were dreadful.

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  • John

    Dec 29, 2008 at 3:31 PM

    Comment #10

    Given’s performance against Liverpool was truly outstanding and was only bettered by Liverpool’s brilliant display.
    I detected a a touch of anger at the final whistle when Given was walking off the pitch but surely that can be expected especially from a man who had just produced such a fantastic goalkeeping display. Or, could it be that Given is as frustrated as we supporters of being continually let down. We shall soon see when the January transfer market opens up but taking Joe on his word “there will be no players leaving Newcastle” I hope so!

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  • VikingToon

    Dec 29, 2008 at 3:44 PM

    Comment #11

    NUFC without Given.. can u imagne ? Harper is a very good sub, but I wouldnt trade Given for anyone, ever! Hopefully he will see out his career at SJP…!

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  • Whumpie

    Dec 29, 2008 at 4:31 PM

    Comment #12

    There’s the usual garbage in the press (and not just the tabloids) about Given leaving. Not gonna happen. True loyalty, and easily our best player.

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  • reillers

    Dec 29, 2008 at 5:41 PM

    Comment #13

    I think he was frustrated like we are, disgusted with himself and the defence, no matter how good we know he played, the fact that he conceded 5 will sicken him and he was also humiliated at the fact that his team got so battered to the point of sheer embarasment and humiliation. To the point where a worthy contender for MOTM was the keeper on the loosing side of 5 goals. Humiliated, embarased and enfuriated to say the least. He was let down by every single player on our team and they should hang their heads in shame because Given ran down the tunnel after the game, away from it all, and they could be singley responsible for keeping him running, pushing him into the arms of Arsenal.

    Given deserved a medal of valor for his preformance yesterday but instead..

    ..”this must stand alone as the darkest moment ever inflicted upon him by the sheer incompetence of those who share a dressing-room.”

    I think this sums it up best.

    http://www.newcastlebanter.co.uk/2008/12/how-much-more-can-given-take.html

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  • sirjasontoon

    Dec 29, 2008 at 6:29 PM

    Comment #14

    I think that was the Nail in the coffin for Mr Given.
    So expect him to move in January..can’t blame him but he is one of a handful of decent players we have the rest are poor.

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  • martin from manchester

    Dec 29, 2008 at 7:22 PM

    Comment #15

    Really looking forward to see Shay Given play at the city of manchester stadium in January. Conversation goes like this; Joe Kinnear. “Sorry Mark, Shay Given is the best keeper in the Premiership. He is not for sale. Mark Hughes: How about if we offered you 15m? Joe Kinnear: “Err: No sorry he’s not for sale. Whats that Mr Ashley Sir? ” Mark Hughes: “25m thats my final offer. ” Mike Ashley: “Which is the quickest way to Manchester!”

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  • JP...from The Rock

    Dec 29, 2008 at 7:33 PM

    Comment #16

    Just like we need a solid strike partnership we need a solid defensive partnership and Taylor and Coloccini together equals chaos. What a disgrace and embarrassment to us all after watching that performance. We could have lost 10-0 at least. I base this precisely on that partnership between Taylor and Colo and that this is Liverpool’s best season in ages. We desperately NEED BASSONG. Funny how such a cheap signing and such a young lad could become our savior to our woeful defense.

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  • JP...from The Rock

    Dec 29, 2008 at 7:39 PM

    Comment #17

    By the way GIVEN IS WORLD CLASS ALWAYS HAS BEEN!!! He saved us from a total disaster and ridicule from journalists all over the world. Thank God we have Given our most reliable and consisitant player of all time. Him and Shearer have to be the best and most consistant players we’ve ever had. We need much more players like this in January.

    PS.. I like what a saw of Lua Lua..not shy of the ball and a neat passer something we lack a lot of. He looked lively and injects pace and creativity to our clueless midfield. Butt has to go..the sooner the better for us all. I would like to see Lua Lua been given a shot there instead of Butt and when Barton returns he will have serious competitor for a place in the side.

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  • reillers

    Dec 29, 2008 at 11:48 PM

    Comment #18

    JP..we’ve needed a solid defence and a good strike partnership for years and years.
    Can anyone honestly remember not cringing everytime you looked at the defence. Wee Given’s been here for 10 plus years and I can’t honestly remember him having a solid defence in front of him.
    Every market time it’s the same old story, a better defence, a better team, better players, and year after year we seem to get worse. And that wee lad of ours, Given, has been at the battering end of it all.
    A lesser person would have walked off the pitch yesterday after the 4th goal, hell some wouldn’t have even gone out for the second half. But he played right till the death, never gave up, made two outstanding saves at the death when others would have given in.
    He got booked right after that save when he kicked the ball away when the ref wrong gave Liverpool a corner and got booked. Purely pissed off, pure passion. The final whistle came and he, not shaking anyones hands and stormed off the pitch.
    Total passion and felt like every other fan on that day, disgusted, infuriated and let down.

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  • Nick

    Dec 30, 2008 at 8:40 AM

    Comment #19

    I don’t know why we are always been linked with other keepers. Now it is Paddy Kenny !!!

    If one of Given or Harper goes, we still have one left, plus KRUL, Forster and Soderberg.

    At least if Shay goes, get a decent price and promote Krul (Chelsea want him), not bring in yet another. Krul said he is off, if both Harper and Given re-sign.

    Why create more problems where there aren’t any.

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  • Macas

    Dec 30, 2008 at 9:31 AM

    Comment #20

    If we get £10 million for Given then let him go, we need reinforcements elsewhere and Ashley isn’t likely to release a load of funds for Kinnear.

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  • andy

    Dec 30, 2008 at 9:50 AM

    Comment #21

    yep, see ya shay, thanks for the heart and skill . . . go get the team you earn man, NUFC wont be right for years.

    I wish him nothing but the best if he moves on.

    Fat fred, and Fat ash . . and anyone else who has led nufc to this point. You may have money, but 1000’s of people will remember you as scum – enjoy the thought that your grand children will hear about how horrid you were.

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  • Sav

    Dec 30, 2008 at 10:33 AM

    Comment #22

    If Shola was only half fit and hadn’t trained all week, why didn’t Joe start with Carroll? Didn’t he finish the Wigan game well and deserve a second go?

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