Newcastle Must Push Forward After Painful Liverpool Lesson


It doesn’t take a genius to work out that Mike Ashley picked a bad time to announce he was staying on as owner of Newcastle United.

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Joe Kinnear – still has lots of work to do at Newcastle


First of all the announcement interfered with the honor being attributed to the great Sir Bobby Robson, and that had the Newcastle United Supporters Club organization upset, and putting out a statement saying so.

And then of course we were completely and utterly outplayed by a wonderful Liverpool side, who left some of their best players on the sideline – as if to rub in their total domination.

It’s unusual for a Joe Kinnear team to get taken to the cleaners, which is what happened yesterday, and before that the worst we have suffered under Kinnear were just single goal defeats, and we were in every single game – until yesterday.  Against Liverpool we blew that record apart, as well as suffering our first defeat at St. James’ Park under Joe.

The team Liverpool has built up under Spaniard Rafael Benitez , must be our goal, and for that we need more stability at the club, and certainly more team-work between the owner, the Board and Joe Kinnear, who seems to know what needs to be done, or at least he has a good idea.

On the positive side, it helps to know exactly where we stand as a team (nowhere) so we can take stock and build up the side, and make some positive moves in that direction in January, and then again in the summer transfer markets.

Yes the team is getting a lot of criticism today from the fans, and that’s human nature.

But when we win we think we’re better than we really are, and when get defeated we think we are worse than we really are, and the truth lies somewhere in between.

After the two successive wins things were humming, and then after two successive defeats things are back to doom and gloom.

But we were a little shocked yesterday, because the team we had out was fairly strong we thought, and yet the defeat was almost an annihilation.

On the positive side Given was world class again, Edgar had a decent outing but gave away a silly penalty and Guthrie played his heat out in the second half.  But we were nowhere near Liverpool in terms of class, skill and general play as a team. We were in fact lucky to get away with the score at just 5-1.

We have a long long long way to do, and lets still support Joe, as he does his best this season to rehabilitate the squad, and then we’ll see what needs to be done in the summer.

But calls for another manager right now, is why we are in this mess in the first place.

We’ve already had  Roeder, Allardyce, Keegan and Kinnear in the last 18 months, and another manager will not be the answer, that’s for sure. No, Joe can take us forward quite a ways from where we are right now, so let’s get behind him, and lend him our full support.

We’re not as bad as we looked yesterday.

Comments welcome.



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21 comments so far

  • Si

    Dec 29, 2008 at 10:30 AM

    Comment #1

    I don’t see how Ash can drive forward for 2009 with Kinnear at the helm, is Kinnear going to be the manager next season as well, I hope not

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  • The Entertainers

    Dec 29, 2008 at 10:32 AM

    Comment #2

    Well done Ed trying to pick positives out of that game (Given the exception)

    I have chosen to just write it off and believe we were beating by the new champions (hope so, need new winners)

    To be honest the game kind of sums up our last year.:

    A joke
    A laughing stock
    No quality
    No effort
    Numerous mistakes
    Letting down the fans!

    I hate being negative, but its hard to put a positive spin on that game and our last year to be honest.

    But its a new year and a new start.

    Kinnears on board
    Ashleys on board
    The fans are on board (as usual)
    New player are coming
    Injuries will clear up soon
    Contracts will get signed (fingers crossed)

    Lets not dwell on the past, lets learn from mistakes and move forward UNITED!

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  • wsq

    Dec 29, 2008 at 10:33 AM

    Comment #3

    To be concise- Ashley out! Shearer In! Ashley out! Shearer In! Ashley out! Shearer In! Ashley out! Shearer In! Ashley out! Shearer In! Ashley out! Shearer In!

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  • geordie jock

    Dec 29, 2008 at 10:34 AM

    Comment #4

    Ed i think we are as bad as we were yesterday, we have too many players who are just not good enough. It has to be time to try a few youngsters who surely will want to make an impression when they play. It’s no good having all these supposedly good kids if they are never going to get a chance in the first team and will probably end up getting sold to raise funds for future transfers.

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  • keith

    Dec 29, 2008 at 10:36 AM

    Comment #5

    Who is calling for a new manager? Are they crazy?

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  • Stuart

    Dec 29, 2008 at 10:36 AM

    Comment #6

    What are you saying Ed? Give loads of money to the wrong manager?

    We desprately need a creative midfielder and I don’t think JK does creative. We’ve played poor football ever siince he arrived. He’s done his job now he should be fired off and bring in someone who can take us forward!

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  • Toon Graeme

    Dec 29, 2008 at 10:37 AM

    Comment #7

    One thing that you cannot say happened yesterday was the fans did not let the team down. From start to finish the noise was immence.

    Defeat is always a bitter pill to swallow, but its what happens from this point onwards that we will be judged on.

    Fat ash needs to back Kinnear and the team and splash the green. Wise and the boys have to get the players – which as we all know aint easy in January window.

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  • graeme

    Dec 29, 2008 at 10:38 AM

    Comment #8

    Ed, I agree completely about establishing stability in the club – its something we have lacked since Sir Bobby.

    The problem would then be – is Joe Kinnear the man to build that stability around? Is Joe the man to build a team and develop it? Does Joe have the skill and ability to re-build, to define the scope of the team, to give it focus, to drive it onwards the way Morhino, Fergusson, Whenger, Scolari & Benitez have/ are doing??

    Unfortunately, I dont believe Joe has those skills, or is our long term future; so where do we start with the stability thing?? Joe is probably safe at the moment simply because he is cheap and will work month to month and is now here till the end of the season. This will impact on the transfer business he is allowed to conduct, if any; it will all be down to Wise & Co.

    If long term stability is to be achieved, the first choice has to be “Who is the long term manager going to be??” I dont think it will be JFK.

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  • clinta

    Dec 29, 2008 at 10:44 AM

    Comment #9

    I agree with Si in some ways that Kinnear probably isn’t the long term answer for Newcastle, but then who really is???

    One thing JK is and will continue to give us is stability and a platform to build on, which the way things currently stand is just about the best we could ask for at the moment.

    A couple years or so with JK isn’t going to set the world alight like most geordies seem to want, but i’ll take it over the alternative which would have to be more up heaval with a new manager, and no guarantee of any better.

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  • steve

    Dec 29, 2008 at 10:46 AM

    Comment #10

    ok – so who’s not good enough, possibilities below

    Butt – past it but could still useful squad player
    Edgar – just not good enough I’m afraid
    Taylor or Collocini – Taylor can’t play with Collocini or Bassong and Collocini can’t play with Taylor
    Smith – lost it after his leg injury
    Viduka – to injury prone
    Ameobi – better than Xisco?
    Geremi – past it

    Taylor would probably have no probs finding another prem club and I imagine Collocini would get snapped up from abroad
    We’ll get nothing from the rest of em tho we will save thier wages – we need a bigger squad filled with more quality as oppossed to just having a big squad

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  • Danish_Magpie

    Dec 29, 2008 at 10:49 AM

    Comment #11

    Coloccini didn’t look good yesterday and was directly involved in several of the goals…

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  • Ericles

    Dec 29, 2008 at 10:50 AM

    Comment #12

    Joe has done reasonably OK so far. He is not the manager for the future at NUFC. Ashley cannot sell at the moment but that does not mean he will not want to in the future. It means we are lumbered with Wise etc for longer and that still stinks! What is obvious is that Ashley, Wise and Co ignored KK’s demand for a squad in depth. Our game against a vibrant Liverpool proved that – proved KK was right all along. Uncle Joe says the same but his choices would not be KK’s, nor the style of play. It is also obvious that Owen is going. Let’s see who signs new contracts but at the moment the main loyalty around at the moment is that of the fans, and certain players, and Joe. So, fat Ashley, skinny Wise, it is YOUR fault we lost on Sunday.

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  • clinta

    Dec 29, 2008 at 10:51 AM

    Comment #13

    wsq- the Shearer thing is old, give it a rest. The facts are he’s never managed before AT ALL so would not be qualified, and he also does not want the job, as he’s more sensible than a lot of toon fans and understand that he’s not ready.

    A coaching staff job, part time perhaps due to BBC commitments would be ideal for the man, manager!!! your dreaming.

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  • Geordie SPIDERMAN18 (GG7)

    Dec 29, 2008 at 10:53 AM

    Comment #14

    really ashley should give us 52 million if he is tru to his word about giving us 20 mill a year, and the rest that gets made on transfers. i really think we should be looking to emulate villa.

    given/friedel
    Beye/Young Bass/davies Laursen/colo jose/ns
    milner/jonas Barry/Barton Guth/reo young/zogs

    owen/gabby martins/ carew

    the only players id have there is barry instead of young danny, but guthrie wil be just as good as barry in a few years, gabby instead of owen and young instead of zogs. agreed?

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  • Mikey24

    Dec 29, 2008 at 10:54 AM

    Comment #15

    i just think the liverpool game highlighted the fact the squad is so small! 1ban, several injuries and were down in the gutter! nothing to do with the manager! when we did have spells on the ball i felt we did well with some good link up play! problems came with players who arent particularly used to playing together! created lots of space for their players to utilise.

    I think JFK needs to give the kids a chance cos edgar did well, lualua looked up for it when he came on and carrol did well against wigan, our older players looked knackered! but nope Geremi, Butt, Owen and Duff all get a look in first and they just aint up to it!

    one plus was the other teams below us didnt do particularly well! Roll on the transfer window

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  • Macas

    Dec 29, 2008 at 10:57 AM

    Comment #16

    Coloccini was awful yesterday and that had nothing to do with Taylor, they were individual mistakes. He has been responsible for a number of our goals this season and if he wasn’t so comfortable on the ball would get a lot more stick. As for our other Argentinian, he seems to do his best work either in our half or around the half way line, but lacks the creativity to really produce goals for the team. Good hardworking player but will never be a brilliant attacking force for us. We need the transfer money from the summer to be spent (£12-£15M), plus hopefully another £5 million on top of that. To be honest if anyone was willing to pay more than £7 million for Given I’d take it, as our major problems lie elsewhere and we need as many quality players in as possible.

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  • Mikey24

    Dec 29, 2008 at 11:09 AM

    Comment #17

    What i dont get is where all the slagging off of Jonas and Collocini has come from? Jonas has been injured and still hasnt got back to full form, he prefers the left but keeps being played right! just watch the man u highlights from first game, the lad is quality! he does some great runs and has a great eye for a pass!
    and colo, hes had 6 months to fit into a hard PL which some players take years to do! Ive watched him mark some world class forwards and at the final whistle has come out tops!
    bloody hell give the lads atleast a full season or more before slating them!
    The truth is we dont have the depth to slowly bring these new lads in so theyre thrown into the deep end. love it how 5 games ago after a 0-0 draw with chelsea ‘colo is king’ now look!

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  • Macas

    Dec 29, 2008 at 11:16 AM

    Comment #18

    Coloccini has never really convinced me totally, especially in the air. Vidic took a while to adapt at Man U so I hope he does get better. I just get sick of the juvenile comments saying that if Coloccini makes a mistake it’s all because of Taylor. And while Spidey is a decent player, I still think we lack someone really creative in midfield. He looked good at Man U because of the amount of space available for him to run into, something he wont normally get as other teams will not play such an open game.

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  • wsq

    Dec 29, 2008 at 11:19 AM

    Comment #19

    idiot

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  • Guinea Mag

    Dec 29, 2008 at 11:44 AM

    Comment #20

    The positive about yesterdays result is evident; i.e. we need to buy possibly 5 players in January or face relegation.

    I have no problem with Mike Ashley and JFK staying as we need stability. However, additional quality players are needed if we are to survive in the PL.

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  • pancho

    Dec 29, 2008 at 2:28 PM

    Comment #21

    The best of all this current bad news is that Ashley must spend on players in order to protect his investment so we remainin the Premiership.
    The worst of the current bad news is the nuggets we have buying those players.
    We’ll soon see our future footballing style or more likely lack of it.

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