FT: Newcastle 2 West Ham 2 – Carroll Gets Equalizer


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In a pulsating game at St. James Park this afternoon Newcastle and West Ham ended up with a 2-2 draw and either team could have won this game.


Newcastle had gone one up through an opportunist goal from Michael Owen after 29 minutes when his shot from 25 yards was too quick for goalkeeper Green, who could only push it into the net.

Michael had hit the post on 13 minutes with a wonderdull move in the penalty area and a left foot cross-shot that hit the post.

The game was wide open and there were lots of chances as both teams went for the win. Then after 29 minutes West Ham scored a goal that was well worked between former Newcastle players Parker and Bellamy.

Parker took the ball off Bassong just outside the penalty area, but then Scott put through Craig Bellamy, and the Welshman easily beat Given from close range.

Half time came with the game wide open, and it continued immediately into the second half with West Ham pressing Newcastle hard and lifting their game.

After 46 minutes it looked an obvious penalty for West Ham as Bassong shoved Bellamy to the ground, but referee Alan Wiley didn’t give it – we have no idea why not – but it was a let-off for Newcastle who have given away 8 penalties already this season.

West Ham pressed forward and on the run of play they took the lead, but it was very poor defending by the Newcastle back line.

After 55 minutes a long ball over the top of the Newcastle defense found Carlton Cole completely free, and he swept the ball past Given to put the Hammers ahead.

Exactly what the back four were trying to do is a mystery, but it looked like they were pushing up to try to catch Cole offside – but he wasn’t, and was completely free. Terrible defending from Newcastle, and that’s also 4 goals in the last 4 games for Cole, who probably hopes he played against Newcastle more often.

At this point in the game it didn’t look too good for Newcastle, but if there’s one thing you cannot complain about with this Joe Kinenar side is they will fight and fight until the death, and that’s exactly what they did this afternoon.

They were pushing forward and West Ham had some opportunities to attack on the break.

After 68 minutes it looked like the Newcastle pressure had paid off as Lucas Neill sliced the ball into his own net. But referee Alan Wiley blew for a foul on Steven Taylor, who was said to have fouled James Collins – but it didn’t look like it was a foul at all. However, we suppose that made up for Wiley not giving the penalty against Bassong.

But then – cometh the hour, cometh the man and 20 year-old Andrew Carroll came though big time after 78 minutes, and following a Duff center, Carroll rose above two West Ham defenders to head the ball way and out of reach of goalkeeper Green and Newcastle had fought their way back to level the scores.

It was a typical goal we used to see often from Alan Shearer, as goalkeeper Green was rooted to his line as the ball sailed into the goal way beyond his reach – a beautiful header from the youngster, who made it look so easy.

It was the tone of the game that both sides after this goal went for the winner, and Newcastle had two chances after 2 minutes of injury time, as Gutierrez was right through on the left, but had his shot blocked.

From the resulting corner Carroll headed across goal to Owen, at the near post, and Michael just failed to head the ball into goal.

The final whistle blew and 2-2 was probably a fair result.

But we really needed all 3 points today, although the fans cannot fault the effort of this Newcastle team, and most sides would have been out of this game when West Ham got their second goal.

But not this team – but as we said we really needed all 3 points and the performance points out that we need more quality players in during January – and most of them need to be defenders and central midfield players.

We have quality but not at the level we need, and this game showed that we are at the bare bones of the squad. The lads have the fight and the spoirit – now we need to add more quality and we become a decent side.

But right now we’re simply not good enough with our current squad, and with all 8 of the injured first teamers out.

We hope Ashley realizes there is some significant danger here.

In fact there may be a mounting case for selling Shay Given, but only if we can get at least £10M for him, because we must get some new players brought in – desperately – and Ashley doesn’t appear to have the money, at least not in January.

Bassong, Enrique, Guthrie, Gutierrez, Duff, Given  and Owen were good for Newcastle and Carroll looks the part, as he continues to learn the tricks of the trade in the Premier league.

Geremi had a terrible game today, as almost every free kick and corner he took were wasted – a real off-day for the Cameroon International, but Butt will be straight back in on Wednesday against Hull City.

Again we needed a strong defensive performance to get the win this afternoon, and we failed again – and just why we seem so porous at home is something Kinnear will need to sort out – quickly. We need clean sheets at home to get the wins, but we keep conceding far too many goals at St. James’ Park.

One point from the last 3 league games, with two of those at home, and 9 goals conceded simply isn’t good enough – and that’s the truth.

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274 comments so far

  • Legs

    Jan 10, 2009 at 5:59 PM

    Comment #1

    I went to the game today like.

    Taylor is canny bad.

    Jose’s passing again was crappy.

    We need us some full backs!

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  • North Atlantic Magpie

    Jan 10, 2009 at 6:00 PM

    Comment #2

    Taylor is the big problem at the back.

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  • Fans Should Own the Club

    Jan 10, 2009 at 6:02 PM

    Comment #3

    I thought Taylor was really bad today too.

    I felt like Enrique was solid today, at least defensively.

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  • heavyhitters

    Jan 10, 2009 at 6:03 PM

    Comment #4

    Guiterrez was my man of the match today without him our midfield would have been very poor. Geremi is a disgrace and I would have brought on the likes of Lua Lua rather than that little upstart Nzogbia. Fair result today !! Taylor has to leave !!!

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  • Newby

    Jan 10, 2009 at 6:04 PM

    Comment #5

    At comments 1 & 2 – exactly right about Taylor. Its a shame that the lad who was once tagged as the future of our defence, suddenly seems to be marked as our downfall. Def need RB and LB in the window, with hopefully an AM as well.

    Game was OK and I thought that Gutierrez was on form again, and I’m glad that Carroll got his first goal.

    Its such a shame though that Kinnear didnt take the chance of using more subs and getting some of our youngsters (with fresh legs) an outing.

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  • Todd

    Jan 10, 2009 at 6:04 PM

    Comment #6

    2 points dropped for me today. Jonas should of tucked his chance away in the last minute.

    Craig Bellamy man, what a little shit. Id love to see somebody like big Sol or Diop give him a good hiding.

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  • jordi

    Jan 10, 2009 at 6:05 PM

    Comment #7

    I got my hopes up when we went 1-0 up but then crashed back down at 1-2. So surprisingly pleased with a draw given that scoreline but I really thought (hoped) we’d win!

    Think that puts us 11th doesn’t it? And still in a relegation fight! This season is just mad…

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  • Fans Should Own the Club

    Jan 10, 2009 at 6:06 PM

    Comment #8

    heavy–I agree. Gutierrez was excellent today. I thought Duff was good too. From the time that Zogs came on, I thought we looked really dangerous.

    When the crosses started pouring in from the left, we had them really wobbling and could have won it.

    What about playing Zogs in the middle, with Guthrie and Duff & Jonas switching up sides? I thought that went very well.

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  • RyanToon

    Jan 10, 2009 at 6:06 PM

    Comment #9

    we just need to sign two players and well be fine

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  • Newby

    Jan 10, 2009 at 6:07 PM

    Comment #10

    heavyhitters – if Geremi doesnt leave during this window then something is going drastically wrong – he’s absolutely useless!
    But then if they are willing to give Ameobi a new deal, then we’ll probably hear of a new 5 year contract for Geremi next week…

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  • murphy

    Jan 10, 2009 at 6:08 PM

    Comment #11

    Bassong is buy of the season! I think Given loves him too, every tackle bassong made given was giving him props and shaking his hand. When bassong made that headed clearence given pushed him so hard I thought he was going to fall over. The kids amazing. Given is amazing. If we lose either we go down.

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  • JonnyNUFC

    Jan 10, 2009 at 6:08 PM

    Comment #12

    Calmed down now

    2-2 was a lucky result for us given the way they cut us apart start of 2nd half

    dunno what kinnear said at half time…apparently to just stand off them

    Looked far better with zog in the middle…glad carroll got his goal thats the one big plus point.

    Up to 11th now for the time being…doubt we’ll be there long.

    Their 2nd goal was pathetic.

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  • Ally

    Jan 10, 2009 at 6:08 PM

    Comment #13

    when Gutierrez gets on the ball things happen!

    he is probably our best player

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  • Will I am

    Jan 10, 2009 at 6:09 PM

    Comment #14

    For sure Taylor has to leave

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  • inco

    Jan 10, 2009 at 6:10 PM

    Comment #15

    tayls weren’t that bad today lads. not brillian or anything but he had nothing to do with either goals they scored and.

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  • Brave New Toon - Taylor is a legend

    Jan 10, 2009 at 6:10 PM

    Comment #16

    Legs.. you can’t have one to the game today.. if you did.. you can’t have been watching.
    The problem at the back toaday was trying to play a high line agaisn’t craig bellamy.
    Taylor hardly put a foot wrong.. apart from being part of a unit that went out with the wrong tactics.
    Colo needs to be used as a defensive midfielder.. his strenth and pace is a little suspect.
    Geremi very poor again.
    guthrie ran his socks off,
    Jonas.. falls to pieces in the box (jigsaw)
    Big Andy,. has put some weight on, and starting to look the part.. needs time and a bit of confidence.
    Kinnear… No idea

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  • MDS

    Jan 10, 2009 at 6:10 PM

    Comment #17

    Every week we lose the battle in midfield(except Guitierrez who was MOTM). It is far to easy fro teams to transition in the middle of the field. Is this not obvious?

    We need Barton and Beye back, at least one creative player in the middle, and a full back.

    I thought Carroll was strong all day. He would pair well with Oba’s pace once Owen leaves.

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  • RyanToon

    Jan 10, 2009 at 6:12 PM

    Comment #18

    jonas is class, too good for us, colo im not sure about now, bassong is a great find

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  • inco

    Jan 10, 2009 at 6:12 PM

    Comment #19

    he has got better chance of learning rb than cb anyway

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  • Newby

    Jan 10, 2009 at 6:12 PM

    Comment #20

    If certain results come in tomorrow, there could be 6 teams all on 23 points (including ourselves). 11th seems OK at the the minute, but a few of the teams below us have a game (if not two) in hand. Such a shame we couldnt capitalise on the game today and scratch our way into the top 10 with a win.
    Still, I think bar one or two toughies, our next 10 games or so are against winnable opposition, so who knows what position we’ll be in this time in March.

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  • Fans Should Own the Club

    Jan 10, 2009 at 6:14 PM

    Comment #21

    Brave New–that’s a good point about playing a high line against Bellamy.

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  • Simo

    Jan 10, 2009 at 6:17 PM

    Comment #22

    Today proves that we’re in dire need for a left back. Yeah he’s ok defensively, but he’s very average and has awful passing.
    I thought Tayls was ok, Carroll motm.

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  • normski1930z

    Jan 10, 2009 at 6:17 PM

    Comment #23

    newby our next two games are away from home tho… one win away from home all season….we will be in the bottom four come the makems game….fat boy MUST buy or it could well be bye bye premier league…

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  • Ally

    Jan 10, 2009 at 6:18 PM

    Comment #24

    the line worked alright to be honest i bet Bellamy was caught offside 5 or 6 times

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  • Brave New Toon - Taylor is a legend

    Jan 10, 2009 at 6:19 PM

    Comment #25

    my worry is that Jokinghere, cannot attract players of any calibre.. (or doesn’t recognise a player of calibre)
    the players we are linked with are a bit of a joke to be honest.

    IMO, if we are gonna stay up. we are gonna need a bit of luck with injuries.. and some top performances from our youngsters.. especially towards the back end of the season.
    On a plus note.. good atmosphere at sj toda.. and the players in the side did show effort.. if not too much quality.
    p.s Geremi aside.. who showed neither

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  • JonnyNUFC

    Jan 10, 2009 at 6:19 PM

    Comment #26

    blackburn, man city & sunderland next

    all winnable games

    and all losable games knowing us

    Reckon blackburn = draw
    man city = lose
    sunderland = draw/win

    depressing

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  • jordi

    Jan 10, 2009 at 6:19 PM

    Comment #27

    Newby

    No-one below us has 2 games in hand. Worst we can see is City+Pompey draw and both go above us and Liverpool fold to Stoke later and even then Stoke would have to score 10 to go above us. Spuds v Wigan tomorrow might see them going over us but even then (3 past us) we’ll only be 14th with a couple of points between 4 places either way…

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  • Ally

    Jan 10, 2009 at 6:20 PM

    Comment #28

    i see where you lads are coming from though defend deeper so theres less space for him to run in behind

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  • JonnyNUFC

    Jan 10, 2009 at 6:21 PM

    Comment #29

    if we could just turn Carroll into the next shearer…….

    scoring in his first start at st james…pretty good

    looked much stronger today…especially first half hour.

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  • Fans Should Own the Club

    Jan 10, 2009 at 6:22 PM

    Comment #30

    Something else I just recalled–Bassong gave away a penalty that we were very, very luck on…

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  • Hugh Jorgan

    Jan 10, 2009 at 6:24 PM

    Comment #31

    Why are most of you all so negative ?
    Let us all get behind Mike Ashley, the board, Joe Kinnear and most of all the team !

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  • Brave New Toon - Taylor is a legend

    Jan 10, 2009 at 6:25 PM

    Comment #32

    ally,
    or use three at the back,. Colo deeper sweeping up?
    I think the three of them at the heart could be quite formidable..
    Enrique lwb.. as we all agree he’s better going forward than back
    And Milner would make a world class rwb!….
    … oh shit! 😉

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  • Ross

    Jan 10, 2009 at 6:25 PM

    Comment #33

    The line didnt work. Bellamy was caught 5 or 6 times yes but he still got in behind and scored, and it failed miserably for the second goal because we cleared out the box and carlton cole was left all by himself. The finish from the angle however was an excellent one.

    I might take a bit of a bashing for this one on here, but what are peoples genuine views on coloccini? He’s excellent on the ball, but in the past few weeks i’ve questioned his aerial abilities. He also seems quite slow, fair enough you’d expect him not to be able to catch players like Bellamy, but he’s been roasted by Fuller and Gerrard in recent weeks. Yes, The answer is simple, they’re quicker than him, but he hasnt even looked like getting anywhere near them.

    How would he perform as a DM? am i right in saying he played DM at depor?

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  • PDiddy

    Jan 10, 2009 at 6:25 PM

    Comment #34

    who can we buy?
    There are no bargains in the January transfer window!

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  • Ally

    Jan 10, 2009 at 6:26 PM

    Comment #35

    Brave New Toon – Taylor is a legend aye that would be an option, something has to happen

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  • RyanToon

    Jan 10, 2009 at 6:28 PM

    Comment #36

    how bout owen then, scoring from outside the box, that dont happen often, anyone think that there 2nd goal was offside?

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  • tino97

    Jan 10, 2009 at 6:28 PM

    Comment #37

    I said before I would be happy with 4 points from West Ham and Blackburn. Not looking too likely now. We seem to be better away from home at the moment. Nothing would give me more pleasure than beating big sam. I hope we can get some players in before next weekend. The cup, not too bothered be great to win. But I would throw in some kids and save some of our players. We won’t win the cup this season, the league is more important.

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  • Fans Should Own the Club

    Jan 10, 2009 at 6:29 PM

    Comment #38

    I agree Colo’s not so hot in the air, but I think with Bassong (who by all appearances is actually the better player) beside him, that’s a pretty strong pairing.

    He does have good skill on the floor.

    Then again, one on one in the box, I can’t remember anyone getting the better of him when they square up and that’s mighty valuable.

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  • Legs

    Jan 10, 2009 at 6:30 PM

    Comment #39

    Aye Brave new toon….. your right I was lying, I didn’t go to the game…..

    whenever duff had the ball Taylor just stood still like a muppet. He provided no support at all. Whilst defending he was his usual self, below average. Granted he did make the odd good tackle.

    The whole team let us down by not closing down enough. It seemed as though they needed a kick up the backside.

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  • Toon1978

    Jan 10, 2009 at 6:31 PM

    Comment #40

    I’m glad this site has been sorted out what was the problem this afternoon?

    We need 5 signings at least. Our left back Enrique is a good player defensively but his passing ability is shocking to say the least. We are struggling in midfield big time, i like Guthrie but we need more strength in that department. We need a creative and a defensive midfielder. The options we have is to push Coloccini up into a defensive midfield position and buy another centre back OR leave Colo where he is and buy a defensive midfielder. I would love to see Noble and Bullard arrive but i very much doubt we will get any of them. I think we are ok up front for now at least until the end of the season as we have Owen FOR NOW and we have young Carrol who may be a gem for us and we have Martins and Ameobi. So i think two full backs and two central midfielders is a must.

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