Kinnear – You Can’t Fight Relegation With Kids


Joe Kinnear has come out and probably issued a statement more for the good of Mike Ashley than anybody else.

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Joe Kinnear – difficult to fight relegation with youngsters
We think this statement probably comes from Ashley asking Joe why he couldn’t use some of the good looking youngsters coming through the club, and we’re sure it must be difficult fighting relegation when you have youngsters in the team, who are bound to make mistakes during their learning process.

Joe said today:

“We have a decent right-back who is virtually injured until the end of the season and a young kid (David Edgar) who is not anywhere near as good as the one we are losing.”

“If we get any more injuries with our defenders we would be in serious trouble.”

“You can’t fight relegation with kids, that’s for sure. If I lost a center-half now I wouldn’t know which way to turn.”

If he lost a center-half he could play David Edgar or Tamas Kadar, after all Arsenal play youngsters all the time, and Man United play one or two in the side regularly when necessary.  And Cesc Febregas played for the first team at Arsenal from the time he was 17 years old.

That’s disappointing from Joe, if it also means he is not willing to play the youngsters, when all is good, and we’re away from the relegation zone, because Newcastle are building up their Youth Academy and hope to build a good team with youngsters coming through the club, and we have a very good batch of them at the club right now.

It’s a little bit like Graeme Souness’s famous statement that “You will not win anything with 11 James Milners.” – a statement he rightly took a lot of stick over.

But it seemed that most players who came through the Liverpool syystem of Bill Shankly and Bob Paisley never believed you could do anything much with youngsters, although Kevin Keegan didn’t seem to have that opinion.

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46 comments so far

  • sirjasontoon

    Jan 16, 2009 at 10:11 AM

    Comment #1

    We will never win anything with the senior players we have got either so it doesn’t matter who plays.

    The senior squad is way past it’s sell by date..most of the big names are no betther than the unknowns that play for teams like Hull or Stoke..Football is about passion as well as ability we have neither.

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  • sirjasontoon

    Jan 16, 2009 at 10:12 AM

    Comment #2

    We have a manager that is appearing more and more out of his depth by the minute…I feel sorry for him to be Honest.

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  • Stardust

    Jan 16, 2009 at 10:14 AM

    Comment #3

    Well done Joe, Cacapa will be thrilled at your confidence in him. I am starting to wish you’d just shut up.

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  • Toon_Sydney

    Jan 16, 2009 at 10:14 AM

    Comment #4

    Joe- were not asking to playall the junior kids in the first team just a couple eg. Lua Lua and maybe ranger

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  • Kash

    Jan 16, 2009 at 10:16 AM

    Comment #5

    Well thats because we’ve got no kids who are good enough to play RB or LB!!!!

    If we did, then Joe wouldn’t need to panic about signings!

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  • The Real Entertainers

    Jan 16, 2009 at 10:16 AM

    Comment #6

    I agree with Joe.

    I know our youngsters are doing very well at the moment, but they are just getting use to reserve team football, never mind PL.

    Look Edgar, Lua Lua and Carroll are a year ahead of these guys in the youth setup and are not going to pull up any trees.

    Edgar looked completely out of depth at home to Hulls reserves.
    Carroll has show a spark of promises, just a spark though and the same could be said for Lua Lua, who is in my opinion the best out of the bunch.

    Calls for Kadar, Donaldson and Ranger are premature. They’ve made the grade at youth level, let them get use to reserve team football and then next season they may progress to our team or can be loaned out.

    You tend to find both Arsenal and ManU always loan out there best players first.

    We need experienced pros in a league that even the most accomplished foriegn stars can struggle in ie Modric, Shevchenko .

    Nurture them, dont damage them.

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  • AussieToon

    Jan 16, 2009 at 10:16 AM

    Comment #7

    Sigh.

    The more he talks the more embarrassed I get….

    It’s getting beyond a joke.

    Please Joe, for the good of my health, shut the f**k up!

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  • sirjasontoon

    Jan 16, 2009 at 10:19 AM

    Comment #8

    You took the words out of my mouth AussieToon..I wish he would just put a lid on the nonsense…it is starting to make him and the club look stupid.

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  • batty

    Jan 16, 2009 at 10:20 AM

    Comment #9

    does any one realey think we will be signing any players this transfer window that are any good

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  • batty

    Jan 16, 2009 at 10:22 AM

    Comment #10

    stardust he,s only saying what your mate ashley tells him.

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  • Toon_Sydney

    Jan 16, 2009 at 10:23 AM

    Comment #11

    fellow aussie- i agree with u 😀

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  • Tom_Toon

    Jan 16, 2009 at 10:24 AM

    Comment #12

    Joe is a dinosaur!

    So, The Entertainers, Kadar is good enough for the full Hungary squad when he is 17 but not good enough to play a few games here and there for us? Give your head a shake!

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  • Nick D

    Jan 16, 2009 at 10:24 AM

    Comment #13

    yeah cos the likes of Butt, Smith, Duff, Viduka , geremi, barton and cacapa are doing so well for us – not!!!!!!!!!.

    That one line means Kinnear should be on his bike. The only joy we’ve had is Bassong, so what’s wrong playing Krul, Kadar, Ranger, lua Lua, Tozer etc.

    Kinnear is a dinosaur. If he had a bit off balls he would have put ranger and a couple of others on against Hull reserves at home. Kinnear is as old school as they come and we will never move forward with this oaf.

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  • Stardust

    Jan 16, 2009 at 10:25 AM

    Comment #14

    Batty – when did they teach tortoises to type?

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  • richyg01

    Jan 16, 2009 at 10:25 AM

    Comment #15

    FROM VITAL NEWCASTLE UNITED:

    St. James’ Park awaits the arrival of two new signings on loan next week, according to boss Joe Kinnear. The Toon gaffer has revealed that the club will host a behind-closed-doors friendly in which Danish trialist Peter Løvenkrands, and the two mystery men will participate in a bid to earn contracts to sign for the Tyneside club.

    “We will have them (the potential loan signings) behind closed doors in a training game on Tuesday to see if they come up to scratch because we haven`t actually seen them play,” he revealed. “One of them had a long-term injury and I want to see how his fitness is.’

    “Peter will take part in the game too and we will decide on him after that,” added Kinnear.

    The two mystery loan signings are the subject of a wide array speculation with Kinnear revealing only their nationalities: an Argentine, and an Italian.

    http://www.newcastle.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=139413

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  • harrier

    Jan 16, 2009 at 10:26 AM

    Comment #16

    Stardust – you sound like you would actually want to see Cacapa on the pitch

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  • bowburnmag

    Jan 16, 2009 at 10:26 AM

    Comment #17

    Whether he’s right or not, for players to hear things like “We have a decent right-back who is virtually injured until the end of the season and a young kid (David Edgar) who is not anywhere near as good as the one we are losing.” via the press is not going to help anyone’s confidence. Particularly David Edgar. I’m sure David Edgar recognises his own strengths and weaknesses, as do the fans. I’m fairly sure he knows Beye is a better right-back. Does he really need it publicly shoved down his throat? How about trying to get the most out of what little you may have left and try and build these players up a bit? Just in case that’s all we have left for the remainder of the season….

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  • DJG

    Jan 16, 2009 at 10:30 AM

    Comment #18

    What about that James Taviner who is a proper right back and nearly scored for the u18s last night. Cant be worse than Edgar.

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  • The Real Entertainers

    Jan 16, 2009 at 10:31 AM

    Comment #19

    Tom Toon

    after shaking my head

    i noticed that your boy has played once for the under 19’s.

    Once for the under 21’s

    and NEVER played for full team, i give you he was called up not even sure if it was a full international or just a friendly. Dare say you could fill us all in on the details !!

    But England has done the same just to give the promising kids the experience.

    Now give your self a shake bonny lad.

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  • brownrob

    Jan 16, 2009 at 10:32 AM

    Comment #20

    Well all well and good for Arsenal and man U, they are miles better than everyone else, and can afford to blood the youngsters in. Thats a bit rich ed, we are nowhere near as good as those teams, so its very unfair to compare what they do at this time, to what we can do.

    Just like if we played Millwall, we might get a chance to play LuaLua from the start, as you can consider it a safe risk

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  • batty

    Jan 16, 2009 at 10:34 AM

    Comment #21

    stardust i see ashley has let you crawl down from up his arse for the day

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  • Tom_Toon

    Jan 16, 2009 at 10:34 AM

    Comment #22

    The Entertainers – He was called up to the full Hungary suad for a world cup qualifier but got injured, he was all set to play aswell, and this was when he was 17.

    Ask ToonKing, he is Hungarian and most of their fans had been asking for Kadar to be played in he national set-up for a while prior, that is how good he is.

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  • Stardust

    Jan 16, 2009 at 10:39 AM

    Comment #23

    Harrier – Cacapa’s stats suggest he isnt that bad a player, I dont think playing alongside taylor helped him settle in. Lucky for Collo, Bassong took his chance.

    I’d like to see Cacapa have a run alongside a good partner who has positional sense (unlike Taylor who plays for himself and ego)

    Having said all that, if the M’bai deal is done I wouldnt be suprised from the way JK is talking (if you can believe a word he says) for Cacapa to be a makeweight in the deal.

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  • AussieToon

    Jan 16, 2009 at 10:39 AM

    Comment #24

    Hello Sydney Toon, Melbourne boy here, hope things are well!

    Love this club and as you know, we have to be up at all hours following them, wouldn’t think twice about giving them up, but the way the club is being run is an absolute joke.

    With every day that passes, the more lies we are fed, the more despondent I get with the club. Then we get no communication from the top men in charge (Ashley and Llambias), but we get utter garbage from our manager.

    I just don’t know what to say and think anymore in respect to the current situation. I am astounded that some people are defending Mike Ashley. The club is on it’s knees, we need a miracle to turn thongs around.

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  • neeraj

    Jan 16, 2009 at 10:40 AM

    Comment #25

    stardust

    before the hull game(1st leg) kinnear said cacapa is injured and would be out for i dont remember how many weeks

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  • Stardust

    Jan 16, 2009 at 10:42 AM

    Comment #26

    Batty.

    Many thanks for todays wise thought, you have no consideration that kids read this blog.

    With any luck you’ll be banned soon. Youre not exactly an intellectual, nor do you hold any opinions of note so you wont be missed.

    Shame on you.

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  • Toon_Sydney

    Jan 16, 2009 at 10:43 AM

    Comment #27

    Aussie Toon- Yeh agree totally with u, sick of wakeing up/stayin up to wach a toon game begining at 2/3/4am or 7am

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  • bowburnmag

    Jan 16, 2009 at 10:43 AM

    Comment #28

    Shoot me down in burning flames as I’m about as far away from the pulse of European football as any avid fan should ever be. However, putting two and two together, doing some investigation and coming with perhaps nothing near the right answer – what about Gabriel Milito as one of the loanees?

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  • Stardust

    Jan 16, 2009 at 10:43 AM

    Comment #29

    Neeraj – cheers, I hadnt realised, maybe its because JK issues that much rubbish when he speaks its like listening to white noise lol

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  • Tom_Toon

    Jan 16, 2009 at 10:45 AM

    Comment #30

    Bowburn – He is a regular and his team, Genoa have already turned down bids of over £8mil for him this season.

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  • Tom_Toon

    Jan 16, 2009 at 10:47 AM

    Comment #31

    Oops, Im talkng about his brother. Gabriel Milito has been injured for ages and has only just come back, hence why he isn’t playing and Kinnear said they were both midfielders.

    I dont think we’ll get any loan signings though.

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  • Hunwick Mags

    Jan 16, 2009 at 10:48 AM

    Comment #32

    JFK did a canny job in the first few months but every interview he does now only confirms to me that he is out of his depth …. the only positive i can see at the moment is the youth team but they will never get a chance under Joe …. Im not saying play them all but hey are a option when so many are injured …. Why was Carroll and Taylor on the bench vrs Hull if they were not fit ??? Although Carroll played 20 minutes if he isnt fit shouldnt we be keeping him for Blackburn on saturday ??? …… May carnt come soon enough then lets start again ……. Clean out … Cockney mafia, Jfk, Viduka, Cacapa, Smith, and (new contract or not) Ameobi ….. Hope Geremi goes within the next few days (awful)…… But WE were here beore this shit and will be LONG AFTER THEY HAVE ALL GONE …… Ho way the TOON

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  • bowburnmag

    Jan 16, 2009 at 10:48 AM

    Comment #34

    AussieToon – I love the idea but as per the particular design of the underwear in question, surely even with “a miracle to turn thongs around” it, it would just look pretty much the same? I’m all for turning thongs round mind. My lass’s obviously in case she’s somehow reading this.

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  • neeraj

    Jan 16, 2009 at 10:49 AM

    Comment #35

    setanta.com//uk/Articles/Football/2009/1/16/PremLigue-1-Rennes-no-to-MBia-Newcastle-move/gnid-35668/

    abt mbia

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  • Tom_Toon

    Jan 16, 2009 at 10:50 AM

    Comment #36

    Bowburn – You could be right mate, Kinnear said one of the loans has recently come back from a long term injury.

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  • bowburnmag

    Jan 16, 2009 at 10:52 AM

    Comment #37

    Tom_Toon – good point . Googling isn’t always the best way forward, I ended up getting parts of my puzzle and didn’t consider he’s a defender! Back to the research then, “Italian+long-term injury+2008….and ‘search’….”

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  • RyanToon

    Jan 16, 2009 at 10:53 AM

    Comment #38

    neeraj, just read it, FFS

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  • RyanToon

    Jan 16, 2009 at 10:54 AM

    Comment #39

    mbia NOT coming

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  • bowburnmag

    Jan 16, 2009 at 10:55 AM

    Comment #40

    By chance during my ‘research’, I came across this news. Didi Hamman is knackered for 3 months. No real relevance other than some bloggers were suggesting we could do worse than get him back.

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