Big Players Newcastle Are Missing Are Beye And Martins


We thought it would be useful to take a look at our injury situation, since we need to get some of our players back as soon as possible, and in addition bring some new players in over the next next two weeks if we are to have a fighting chance of staying in the Premier League this season.

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Habib Beye – no return date yet for the Senegal International

Here’s the Newcastle United current injury situation as we have taken it form the Physioroom.com Injury League Tables. As usual we have the most injuries of any Premier League team and are top of the league, which is our usual position in this table.

They still have Enrique and Barton down there, but since both played yesterday we now have 8 official injuries.

Here they are with the injury and return dates (back to training) where available:

Geremi      Back Injury     17th Jan 09
Cacapa      Knee Injury     1st Feb 09
S Ameobi    Sprained Ankle  28th Jan 09
M Viduka    Groin Strain    1st Feb 09
H Beye      Knee Injury     no return date
O Martins   Groin           22nd Feb 09
I Gonzalez  Achilles        14th Mar 09
A Smith     Achilles        28th Jan 09

Let’s fact it – some of these players are vital and some are not.

The more important players to us from the list are probably Geremi, Ameobi, Beye and Martins. We’ve been without Viduka, Smith and Gonzalez for so long, we will hardly miss these players, and Cacapa will hardly be risked again at center-back, after his Fulham disaster.

But the main two players we are missing are Beye and Martins, there’s little doubt about that.

Our next game is on the 28th January at Eastlands, so we assume Gutierrez will be rested so he can get over his hamstring problems of late, and the same with Enrique, who is probably playing a little injured right now, so it’s a good chance to have those two rest up for a while before next week.

Geremi is almost fit, and Ameobi should be back soon, and may even make the game against Man City.

One of the big players missing for us is Habib Beye, and there’s some worries in the Newcastle camp about how long Habib, a really vital player for us, will be out, and he’s already had three opinions on his knee injury, but still no return date listed.

And we are surprised that Oba Martins, another big player for us, will be out until 22nd February with his groin, since Dr. Ulrike Muschaweck and her Munich Clinic usually have the players back within two weeks or so.

We assume Oba had his operation last Monday and Dr. Ulrike usually gives her opinion of when the player can play again, although we’ve heard nothing much about Oba, other than Joe Kinnear say he would be out for some weeks still.

And of course we don’t know exactly what the Martins problem is exactly, although he seemed almost fit without the injury so we are assuming it couldn’t be anything major. But that seems a long time before he’s back.

Of course Joe Kinnear would like to sell Geremi to Besiktas in January, and if he goes the £1.8M will be used to bring a new player through the door, and will also help with the loan deals, which we assume will still go through, unless of course we manage to get Stephane Mbia from Rennes, who can plug the central midfield spot.

But the very good news is that Joey Barton is back, and hopefully by the Manchester City game Enrique, Taylor, Gutierrez  and hopefully Ameobi will all be fully fit again, and we could well have two loan signings through the door by then too, and Peter Lovenkrands signed as a free agent.

So that would give a bigger and better squad for Joe to choose from – but the big players we are missing are still Beye and Martins – no doubt about that.

What do you think?

Comments welcome.



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568 comments so far

  • Will I am

    Jan 18, 2009 at 5:39 PM

    Comment #1

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  • Will I am

    Jan 18, 2009 at 5:39 PM

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  • Will I am

    Jan 18, 2009 at 5:40 PM

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  • Fog-on-the-Tyne

    Jan 18, 2009 at 5:40 PM

    Comment #4

    Ed please enough with the excuses, that’s the whole point of ensuring that you have a big enough squad to account for such injuries. Liverpool, Man Utd all have injury woes. Again the blame has to be laid at the foot of Ashley for not providing sufficient funds.

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  • Will I am

    Jan 18, 2009 at 5:40 PM

    Comment #5

    4 th

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  • Fog-on-the-Tyne

    Jan 18, 2009 at 5:42 PM

    Comment #6

    Why are we worried about relegation, I mean come on guys we have Mr Wises star signing to replace Milliner…..Xisco Hooray!!!

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  • Raffo

    Jan 18, 2009 at 5:43 PM

    Comment #7

    geremi is a waste of space. sell him, zogbia and cancel the contracts of cacapa and viduka. use the money generated and saved on wages to bring in some hungry talented younger players who may stay fit for two minutes, and who would actually want to play for the toon. Id bloody play for free, makes me sick to see the whinge zogbia playing when he publicly wants to go. play lualua until we get in pennant or someone such like

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  • Raffo

    Jan 18, 2009 at 5:48 PM

    Comment #8

    Ed, how do we start a campaign to get the armband to joey?

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  • Will I am

    Jan 18, 2009 at 5:51 PM

    Comment #9

    Raffo methinks Joey should have the armband although I like Owen he doesn’t command on the pitch.

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  • Obafan

    Jan 18, 2009 at 5:52 PM

    Comment #10

    Raffo I would rather start a successivbe campain to get Ashley out for once and for all. Plus he should be banned to take one more footstep into the city of Newcastle. He is the man who should be blamed. Like I said in another post it is very depressing how one man can ruin such a great football club.

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  • toonoholic

    Jan 18, 2009 at 5:56 PM

    Comment #11

    martins as much as i like him for his pace. he has a real bad goal ratio. should use martin more as a cam or in 4-3-3 as wings.
    rather play owen upfront as an out and out striker though he stinks too at times . hes the best we have for now.

    so ed we really dont miss martins unless he replaces duffers. if we miss someone, it wld be joey barton and now hes back . so we just miss
    beye

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  • Ross

    Jan 18, 2009 at 5:58 PM

    Comment #12

    are you kidding? we dont miss Martins? he’s the quickest player in our team by a country mile and he can create something out of nothing, we miss martins just as much as beye.

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  • Stuart79

    Jan 18, 2009 at 6:00 PM

    Comment #13

    This sums up the ineptitude of our current regime and management team.

    We are literally without 2 first teamers. Every club in the league will be in the same position as us but their manager doesn’t use it as an excuse.

    Souness use to do it, so too Roeder and we all know where that lot ended up!

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  • Fostino

    Jan 18, 2009 at 6:03 PM

    Comment #14

    this is a big two weeks for newcastle to strengthen up………….hopefully they will. would love to see this friendly match tuesday.

    geremi please go you greedy mug!! fat sham made some useless buys and wasted alot of cash……….period!! the result yesterday dosent change anything, im glad he’s gone!! not too keen on this contract for joe tho, im not even sure he got one to be honest!!

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  • workyticket

    Jan 18, 2009 at 6:04 PM

    Comment #15

    toonoholic // Jan 18, 2009 at 5:56 PM

    “martins as much as i like him for his pace. he has a real bad goal ratio. ”

    He doesn’t have a bad average Toonoholic.

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  • tino97

    Jan 18, 2009 at 6:05 PM

    Comment #16

    Martins is a massive miss for us! His pace worries and stretches defences. Plus, he can score from nothing, which no-one in our team can do. We could be playing rubbish and he could fire one in from 30 yards. He does miss some simple chances, but he is a passionate lad and works hard. Hope he is back soon.

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  • workyticket

    Jan 18, 2009 at 6:06 PM

    Comment #17

    This season it’s six goals in thirteen games. Over his career it’s around a goal every 2.5 / 3 games.

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  • Raffo

    Jan 18, 2009 at 6:06 PM

    Comment #18

    Obafan, and how do you think we are going to do that? He put the club up for sale, noone has bought us. Yes he put his price a little too high but still he aint sold us. Do we really think that this hate campaign is going to get us anywhere? It isnt. I dislike him, wise and lambias but we can only do one thing and that is buy the club ourselves.

    There was a movement to do such a thing but nothing has happened.

    Its like always, alot of hot air, alot of complaining but not many willing to get off their arse and do something about the situation. How can people camplain?

    And another thing, when prospective owners see the fans protesting, calling for heads of the current owner and regime, do we think that is going to make them think ‘Yeah, i want to go and try and sort that mess out’, or ‘i aint going anywhere near that lot’.

    I think we have every right to be upset, but until we actually put our money where our mouths are, or actually have more than 1000 people NOT going to the games in protest then we aint going to get anywhere. It needs ALL 52000 fans to stand outside the ground on match day. No-one in the ground but all outside. Only for the first 10 mins or so. Can you imagine the media response if that was done for the derby game?

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  • Jan Stavik

    Jan 18, 2009 at 6:06 PM

    Comment #19

    Of course we miss Oba and Beye, they are our two best players along with Jonas, Bassong and Given.

    The rest of the injured players are all players we’d be better off without, selling these liabilities would bring in not more than 6-7m but the fact is that they’d free up 10-12m in wages. They are overpaid players all of those, get rid of the lot.

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  • Troubled Toon

    Jan 18, 2009 at 6:08 PM

    Comment #20

    Ed- We have taken Jukka Raitala on trial from HJK Helsinki

    http://www.hjk.fi/uutiset/6407/1

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  • NewManagerPlz

    Jan 18, 2009 at 6:08 PM

    Comment #21

    @ Will I am #9

    Owen doesnt do ANYTHING on the pitch lol

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  • GHUD

    Jan 18, 2009 at 6:10 PM

    Comment #22

    when martins plays anything could happen he is a breath of fresh air to the team he plays his socks off which is more than can be said of some of the rest of the team .martins is missed good or bad goal ratio.

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  • workyticket

    Jan 18, 2009 at 6:16 PM

    Comment #23

    Raffo // Jan 18, 2009 at 6:06 PM

    “…And another thing, when prospective owners see the fans protesting, calling for heads of the current owner and regime, do we think that is going to make them think ‘Yeah, i want to go and try and sort that mess out’, or ‘i aint going anywhere near that lot’…”

    Correct Raffo. It also rubs off on players and managers too. No one wants to come anywhere near us as we are poison.

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  • Raffo

    Jan 18, 2009 at 6:18 PM

    Comment #24

    Worky,

    I just dont think people are stopping to think what the reactions of other are. And theres too much complaining, but how many are willing to actually do anything? Not many I bet

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  • Big Dave

    Jan 18, 2009 at 6:19 PM

    Comment #25

    I would love to see Joey get the armband i think he would make a real good captain. I think he would rule the toon the same way roy keane ruled ot although i cant stand roy k but he was a good captain for his team. I strangly enough am looking forward to smith’s 1st couple of games to see if he has changed as i thinkhe is JKs type of player

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  • Tom_Toon

    Jan 18, 2009 at 6:20 PM

    Comment #26

    Beye is basically our captain and should be our officially captain.

    Owen is probably the last player I’d choose for captain.

    Barton needs to be vice-captain and captain at the moment while Beye is out.

    Martins is one of our top 3 important players, his pace creates so many opportunities.

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  • pubcat

    Jan 18, 2009 at 6:20 PM

    Comment #27

    Not that there’s any point in doing this – except that it let’s off a bit more steam – but would love to see a side summat like this. given a bit more time and if we survive (in brackets – possibles if main choice is injured)-

    HARPER (Krul)
    BEYE (Taylor)
    METZELDER (Enrique/Kadar/Tozer)
    COLO ( Kadar)
    BASSONG (Taylor)
    DIABY (Guthrie)
    BARTON (Bullard)
    MBIA (Guthrie)
    GUTIERREZ (Lua Lua)
    KLOSE (Ferreira/Carroll/Ranger)
    MARTINS (as above)

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  • Raffo

    Jan 18, 2009 at 6:21 PM

    Comment #28

    How do we start some sort of campaign for this? Email addresses for nufc.com etc?

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  • Shiftay

    Jan 18, 2009 at 6:24 PM

    Comment #29

    on football manager 09 if you sell owen, viduka, smith, barton and geremi you can convert the wage bill into about 15mil transfer money…

    the wages these guys pick up is daft!

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  • RichY

    Jan 18, 2009 at 6:26 PM

    Comment #30

    I’d just like FA to come out and say what his plans are!

    Does he still have the plan that he brought with him before the Keegan debacle?

    This bloke has such bad PR its unbelieveable.

    Surely one of hid advisors would be saying he needs to talk to the fans? Even via a well controlled press release?

    You can tell he understood the club initially and was pationate about the club as he brought in Keegan. So how come he now has seemingly lost all interest?

    Its to his benefit to portray a stable club building strategy… this then feeds down to every person involved with the club and would clearly benefit everyone. Even if he still plans to sell, he’d get more for a successful club – and at this stage that means premiership survival – than for a championship club. If we go down, there is NO guarantee whatsoever we’d come back up and less chance of selling.

    This is business 101.

    Surely MA can see this??????

    I’m normally optomistic, but things are getting worse and worse…

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  • Raffo

    Jan 18, 2009 at 6:27 PM

    Comment #31

    Keep Barton and Smith,

    Get shot of zog, owen and geremi

    Cancel cotracts of viduka and cacapa.

    The transfer fees plus saved wages would give joke a decent extra few pennies to spend

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  • craig s chisholm

    Jan 18, 2009 at 6:28 PM

    Comment #32

    lets be honest, injuries are not the problem and i am getting arsed off with jfk and his constant slope shouldered interviews. the man is a liability. what is killing us is our complete lack of depth in the team. ashley has implimented an asset stripping policy which coupled with his ZERO investment on the pitch (where it matters) has left us crippled and in free fall. we are only really missing oba and beye out of all the lot and thats the truth. Smith – who is he, ffs.
    There is only one way out of this mess and it invloves money and lots of it. the guys that are against spending big are off their heads. While we may not need to spend big on one player, we do need to spend big collectivley on at least four 5-10 million players each. We really need a good 30 million chucked at us right now before the next game. Then we need to get them players and drop the trouble makers and ones with hidden agendas. bench duty for zogs, owen, given for a start. we have to give the arm band to barton, he is the best midfielder we have and has the balls and passion for our run in from hell. owen is leaving in a few weeks and couldnt give a toss anymore, if he ever really did.
    we cant sell anyone yet though, even the wantaways. we keepe veryone and add to the ranks. in the summer, sell the lot ofthem , all the trouble makers and hanger ons and re-build properly asap as soon as season finished.
    w also need to get shot of jfk, the man is a knob of the highest order. i think he is way out his depth now and is just gobbing off all the time trying to dodge bullets. 18 games and just 4 wins. which of you lot think thats good. i can tell you now that anyone of us would have matched that on the law of averages alone. so, cum summer, bye bye joe too. If ashley does not invest a massive amount of cash before the next game then its over and out on the prem for us, 100%

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  • craig s chisholm

    Jan 18, 2009 at 6:28 PM

    Comment #33

    ED – Beye is out for the rest of the season.

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  • GHUD

    Jan 18, 2009 at 6:29 PM

    Comment #34

    the top and bottom of it is we need ashly to spend some money and get some players in with passion and the skill to start wining games we can not let the mackams do the double on us .we need quality and deserve it week in week out we get behind the lads with nothing to show for our troubles it is about time we got some pay back .Ashley needs to spend !!!!!!!!!

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  • deantoon

    Jan 18, 2009 at 6:36 PM

    Comment #35

    M’BIA not going anywhere according to setanta!

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  • halla9

    Jan 18, 2009 at 6:38 PM

    Comment #36

    The trouble is squad depth, the fact that we have none is the fault of past managers & mike ashley.
    Lets face it guys, the chance of us signing anyone of quality this january is slim at best, the M’bia link is just a fasarde to keep us fans happy.
    I would put money on it that we will not spend any money this jan.
    Does anyone else think that the signing of youngsters is just setting us up for fizzy league football?

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  • workyticket

    Jan 18, 2009 at 6:38 PM

    Comment #37

    Raffo // Jan 18, 2009 at 6:18 PM

    Worky,

    “I just dont think people are stopping to think what the reactions of other are. And theres too much complaining, but how many are willing to actually do anything? Not many I bet”

    Well I’m a Geordie living in London, and I know that all the recent supporter shenanigans have completely ruined the reputation of the club, especially all the bigoted ‘cockney’ stuff. If you were a London footballer, like Bullard or Joe Cole, or a host of others, would you want to come here to be called a ‘cockney w*nker’, or a ‘barrow boy’? The same goes for managers and owners too, and not just those from London, but from all over the world.

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  • Big Dave

    Jan 18, 2009 at 6:40 PM

    Comment #38

    craig s chisholm @ 30 agree with most of what you say. jfk is drowning plus he has been lieing to us from the moment he came the man wouldnt even know the truth if it jumped up and bit him on his nose ffs + he is MA’s right hand man and mouth piece.

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  • toonoholic

    Jan 18, 2009 at 6:40 PM

    Comment #39

    well i like martins and yes he can create anything out of the blue. but hes done that what now ? once against totenham 2 seasons back.
    when was the last time he did that ? martins must learn to trap the bloody ball ! i think he can still be a great player but i feel at the current situation even if we had martins , we wld still play shite till our mid is sorted out.

    As much as he puts one in 10 blinders , i am sure we have seen him miss sitters too.
    i still feel owen is better tapping in than martins.

    if we miss someone truly , its beye .

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  • Tom_Toon

    Jan 18, 2009 at 6:40 PM

    Comment #40

    craig – he is out for 8-10 weeks, not the rest of the season.

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