Replacing Kinnear Is Certainly Not The Answer

For those Newcastle fans who may be ready to mount a campaign to bring in another manager at Newcastle United – please don’t.


Joe Kinnear – praying for new players coming through the door in January

Let’s do a short history lesson regarding managers at Newcastle United over the last 11 years or so and we should end up with the conclusion that more is not better in this case.

We’ve had 4 managers since Glenn Roeder was sacked a short 20 months ago – in May of 2007, after an injury ravaged season, and those four managers in order have been Roeder, Allardyce, Keegan and now Kinnear, and a new manager will hardly solve our problems right now, or even in the summer.

Allardyce was given a sort 8 months before he was sent packing, as fans rallied against him and forced Mike Ashley’s hand as the manager had become quite unpopular with some fans. But Sam had 26 points form his first 21 games with a goal difference of -6, before he was sent packing.

Kevin Keegan came in and went 10 games before he got his first win – against Fulham, but was only here for about the same time as Sam, when he seemed to get so fed up with the Board and their antics during the transfer market, that he resigned in early September. That came after being told to sell James Milner, and apparently getting players thrust on him that he didn’t want, like Xisco and Gonzalez.

In comes Joe Kinnear, after we went 5 defeats on the trot, and Joe has been in the job almost 4 months now, and he inherited a weak squad, at least in terms of numbers. It’s the same squad that Kevin was so dismayed with, when September 1st came and went and we didn’t get the players we needed through the door.

And of course, just like during Glenn Roeder’s final season Joe is now suffering through as many as 11 senior players being unavailable through injury – although yesterday that was improved to only 9 players not available but Jonas had a tight hamstring – but Joe still played him.

We think Joe Kinnear – if he gets a new contract for the next two seasons, as has been leaked, can do us a lot of good in those two years, by steadying the  ship, convincing some of our best players to stay, and bringing in the type of players we need to really strengthen the squad.

We think our next step is to get a goods side together that can finish in the top half of the table so we are not fighting relegation next year, and maybe get in the top 8, or even in Europe next season.

We think Joe Kinnear can do that, but probably is not the man after that to take us top the next step – which had to be the top four.

We don’t think Joe can take us much higher than top 8, but to be in the top half and have an improved side is surely what we need to get to in the next two years, and then we can talk about who can take us beyond that level.

But we’ll never get anybody to stay at the club if we keep changing our managers every year or so – which we have proved many times over since Kevin Keegan left the first time in January of 1997.

We’ve had 8 managers since then – Dalglish, Gullitt, Robson, Souness, Roeder, Allardyce, Keegan and Kinnear – and only the great Bobby Robson brought us any success, and even then some fans had turned against Bobby, and he was sacked because we only finished 5th in the 2003-2004 season and didn’t qualify for the European Champions League, and then made a less than good start to the 2004-2005 season.

So again what we need at the club is some stability, and Joe should be given two years –  to give us that.

Finally it would also help to get Chris Mort back on board, because Chris seems to be motivated to getting things done, and while he was here he learned a lot about being Newcastle Chairman in a very short time.

We need Chris back on board quickly to replace the hapless and completely ineffective Derek Llambias.

Comments welcome.

69 comments so far

  • Shot Bru

    Jan 18, 2009 at 11:08 AM

    Comment #1

    Kinnear was and in my view still is an interim manager so why souldn’t we replace him with a permanent manager.

  • LooneyToon

    Jan 18, 2009 at 11:10 AM

    Comment #2

    Needs replacing in the summer….

  • Purely Belter

    Jan 18, 2009 at 11:12 AM

    Comment #3

    he should go in the summer! tactically inept

  • Nick D

    Jan 18, 2009 at 11:12 AM

    Comment #4

    Long ball, negative, trying to play offside, physical, ugly, no skill, no youngsters, ground emptying garbage. Oh yeah give us more of that.
    I thought Allardyce was bad !!!!!!!!!

    Two more years with Kinnear. Are you for real Ed ?.

    No we shouldn’t keep chopping and changing managers but how about appointing some good ones in the first place, not just keep Kinnear because we think there is no one better. How sad is that.

    The best managers are people who bring the best out of what they have at their disposal. When you get an idiot like kinnear openly telling players they are publicly not good enough ,you’ve lost half the dressing room.

    Keep kinnear and we are dead as buried and who in the right mind would buy a season ticket next year with this pathetic excuse of a manger in charge.

  • Purely Belter

    Jan 18, 2009 at 11:16 AM

    Comment #5

    completely agree Nick D

  • Stuart79

    Jan 18, 2009 at 11:21 AM

    Comment #6

    Stability is only a good thing with the right person!

    If it’s the wrong person we could have him for 5 yrs but be in the championship!

  • valle

    Jan 18, 2009 at 11:21 AM

    Comment #7

    Ed… This gotta stop, you really need to think twice before you post or you will lose any credibility.

    You made this right?

  • hhtoon

    Jan 18, 2009 at 11:23 AM

    Comment #8

    I like Joe, but he is not the right man to take us further. We need to scrape through this season,(I still think we will) but we need players back from injury. Then, in the summer, we need to sort a new regime to take us on, and that includes a new manager who is given time to build up the squad.

    Frankly, with players like Martins, Owen, Barton, Duff, Jonas,Bassong and Colo as the spine of our team, there is zero excuses for not staying up….if they all stay fit.

  • BlacknWhite Barmy

    Jan 18, 2009 at 11:24 AM

    Comment #9

    Lot of “we” in there but it is apparent that you are way off the mark.

    We have also had 3 chairman in the same period yet you are all for getting rid – stability !!! not at this proce.

    JokeinHere has no plan B, cant motivate and spouts rubbish – he is hanging on to the pay day nothing to do with pride or passion

  • geordie jock

    Jan 18, 2009 at 11:25 AM

    Comment #10

    Sorry Ed but Kinnear has to go in the summer and hopefully Ashley will come to his senses and sell the club at a reasonable price. I know we will have to start buiding again but we will anyway as most of our top players will leave. Ashley and kinnear staying will not bring stability, just look at the state we are in now. We are in an incredible mess and good players are not going to come here with everything that is going on.

  • Spyro

    Jan 18, 2009 at 11:29 AM

    Comment #11,19528,11095_4811370,00.html

    Bit of decent news there lads. Apparantly Joes thinking of scrapping the loans and just putting in 10 mil for Mbia and not getting the loans. Also another young prospect from Hungary on his way for a trial.

  • Spyro

    Jan 18, 2009 at 11:31 AM

    Comment #12

    And another

    3 more under 21 internationals taking part in the training game for Lovenkrands.

  • Toon Graeme

    Jan 18, 2009 at 11:31 AM

    Comment #13

    Oh yeah great another manager. Isnt that some of the problem.

    Our finishing is sh*t
    Our injuries are sh*t
    Our team’s results are sh*t

    Cheer up at look at the next few fixtures!

  • murvar

    Jan 18, 2009 at 11:32 AM

    Comment #14

    Wow! As a scientist Ed I assumed you would want to consider some evidence before making statements as bold as this. The only thing that can be said in JFK’s defence is that he hasn’t bought any of his own players. But the man is simply not of the stature required by a Premiership – or Championship – club. He has made comment after comment which have proven not to be accurate; he has no judgement. He has disgraced himself and us by his intemperate outburst to the press; he has no class. His outbursts to and about referees get him banished to the stands; he has no self-restraint. His inability to read what’s going on in a game and change it accordingly leave us exposed even to weaker teams; he has no tactical acumen. He is taking us downhill; he has no future.

  • valle

    Jan 18, 2009 at 11:32 AM

    Comment #15

    Spyro… I think it would be a wise enough move… One giant of a player in the area we need it the most might do us more good than plasters all over.

  • sirjasontoon

    Jan 18, 2009 at 11:33 AM

    Comment #16

    This is just off the BBC-He is blaming anyone but his inept self

    Kinnear hits out at predecessors

    Kinnear took over from Keegan in September last year
    Newcastle boss Joe Kinnear believes the club’s poor form is the fault of the previous managers at St James’ Park.
    They are only two points off the drop zone after Saturday’s 3-0 defeat by Blackburn, whose boss is former Magpies manager Sam Allardyce.
    Kinnear feels Allardyce and his successor Kevin Keegan are to blame.
    He said: “Our biggest problem is a lack of strength in depth. Why wasn’t it addressed by the previous two managers? I am carrying the can for it.”
    Kinnear, who claimed this week he has been offered a “lucrative” contract to stay at the helm past the end of the season, is optimistic owner Mike Ashley will provide money to strengthen the squad.

    606: DEBATE
    Keegan wasn’t given a penny to spend by Mike Ashley and Allardyce’s signings were awful, bar King Habib Beye
    Oba PFG
    “I have spelled out the gravity of the situation,” he added.
    “I say, ‘We’re not prepared for anything like the disaster we face and you’ve got to realise the importance of that’.
    “I want to be judged on what I bring in. The depth of the first-team squad is not right at the moment.
    “We must look to stay up this season and have a big clear-out in the summer and address everything completely differently.”
    Kinnear admits he fears the Magpies could drop to the Championship next season.
    “I lie in bed and worry and dread this situation. I’m a proud fella and I don’t want to be relegated,” he said.

  • Toon Graeme

    Jan 18, 2009 at 11:36 AM

    Comment #17

    Ive just read those articles links.

    Oh considering ditching the loan deals?

    I would have thought that they would already be in newcastle today or tomorrow.

    Yet another turn around. What loan deals? Utter press spin and shit!

    This week we need signings – NO BLOODY EXCUSES!!!!!!! ONly MA and his hierarcy idiots can see this.

    Bottom line:

    10 days to sort our shit and its Man Citey then mackems at home.


  • Toon Graeme

    Jan 18, 2009 at 11:37 AM

    Comment #18

    sorry – cant see

  • sirjasontoon

    Jan 18, 2009 at 11:37 AM

    Comment #19

    He was saying last week that we would not be relegated and now he is saying this

    “I lie in bed and worry and dread this situation. I’m a proud fella and I don’t want to be relegated,” he said.

    He is a joker.

  • catchy in norway

    Jan 18, 2009 at 11:37 AM

    Comment #20

    if your settling for joe then yoour setting yourself for failure. we will never get above halfe way in the league. he is there because of the bigger picture, bringing thruogh the you tallent(which he will be forced to do cos they will not buy anyone older than 17) only to sell them when the bigger clubs come calling… WE WILL BECOME A SELLING CLUB AGAIN. WITH NO AMBITION OTHER THAT TO STAY IN THE PREM……. ED WAKE UP

  • Jackie Mag

    Jan 18, 2009 at 11:38 AM

    Comment #21

    completely agree Nick D,too.

  • Dingo

    Jan 18, 2009 at 11:40 AM

    Comment #22

    well sorry Joe but its not looking good mate.

  • Mikeflame

    Jan 18, 2009 at 11:41 AM

    Comment #23

    so why post about steve bruce being unhappy on a newcastle blog if you arent saying ‘oooo we could do with him’ joe was supposed to be a month by month man to steady the ship! People laughed at this fact in the first place so to be full time manager……people will be dropping like flies with their sides splitting! he isnt the man to take us forward at all! he talks rubbish and is taking the newcastle name further in the gutter-something i thought wouldnt be possible after Barton, MA etc!

  • Doocey

    Jan 18, 2009 at 11:42 AM

    Comment #24

    Kinnear does not have to go in the summer and will not.

    That is your problem, chopping and changing too many times.
    Villa started poorly under O’Neill but they stood by him and look what he’s done.
    After all Ashley has offered him a new contract and it seems we may be looking for stability for the fist time in quite a while

  • sirjasontoon

    Jan 18, 2009 at 11:43 AM

    Comment #25

    Doocey O’Neil has a track record
    JK is a broken record listen to this

    “Three youngsters will play,” said Kinnear. “All three of them are Under-21 internationals. Two play for Norway and one for Sweden.
    “One is a centre-back, one is a left-back and the other is a midfielder.
    “We will take a look at them. But I am not thinking about them for the first team.”

    He has lost the plot.

  • Ericles

    Jan 18, 2009 at 11:43 AM

    Comment #26

    Where oh where are the bobby dazzler footballers? I listened to the commentary and watched the extended highlights. I agree with Shearer, but he has not pitched in his pennyworth at NUFC, instead it is from a studio sofa. OK, he does not have his full badges yet.

  • craig s chisholm

    Jan 18, 2009 at 11:44 AM

    Comment #27

    we are going down with or without jfk so he might as well stay til summer. no longer tho. he is crap.

  • Chizzy_Toon

    Jan 18, 2009 at 11:44 AM

    Comment #28

    I dont think there ever was any loan signings, just a case of Joke trying to appease the fans.

    They offered a low £5m bid for Mbia as they know this would be refused, so to cover Jokes ar$e with the loan players, he comes out with the “All my eggs in one basket, and cancel the loan signings” malarky.

    @Catchy in norway – I mentioned this in a post a couple of days ago, we will become a selling club, buying young players for a couple of hundred Thousand, blooding them in the Premeirship then selling on.

  • The Real Entertainers

    Jan 18, 2009 at 11:44 AM

    Comment #29

    I really appreciate what Joe has done so far, with a shambles of a squad, shattered confidence and no backing from the board. Its a miracle we arent relegated already.

    However i do have reservations long term.

    We should have spent better in the summer and there may have been a possibility that KK would still be here.

    Now Joe is not getting the backing KK felt he never and is suffering from a lack of players and too many injured premadonnas!.

    Sacking Joe may give us an initial boost, as quite often happens, but then the new manager will be back to square one. A frustrating existence with our owner.
    Do we then blame that manager and sack him, when the inevitable happens and we get the dozen injuries we always pick up and lack of financial backing ?

    Back Joe now.

    Reassess in the summer.

  • Doocey

    Jan 18, 2009 at 11:48 AM

    Comment #30

    I agree that his contradictions has been annoying but we need stability and sems that he may well be at the heart of it.

  • joonzy

    Jan 18, 2009 at 11:53 AM

    Comment #31

    Ed this is a poor article. Joe is contradicting himself now on what seems like an hourly basis. He is, i’m convinced, lying to us on behalf of Ashley. If not then he is obviously thick and cannot remember the lies he has told. Now he has a pop at Keegan, who walked out because of THIS situation. Come on Joe, tell the truth. We will not make 1 single permanent signing this window and will be lucky to get a loan player in either. Lovenkrands wil probably me moved on and not offered a deal leaving us in deep trouble. No one wants to touch our club with a barge pole and the players we have – bar a certain few – are desperate to leave. Only Given, Bassong, Coloccini and Guthrie seem to be trying. Hopefully Barton will change that. Duff tries but is not good enough any more. Jonas has lost the plot ad looks average now – what happened there? Enrique, Charlie, Owen, and several others just want to be elsewhere. Sad.

  • Ericles

    Jan 18, 2009 at 11:54 AM

    Comment #32

    The trouble is we have a boot salesman as owner, an up-and-under over-and-‘at-’em manager, a board of London loving suits, and a bunch of Coca Cola players mixed in with some Premier league quality. No names but we all know who I mean. Yesterday we ran around like a load of headless chickens in midfield, bereft of intelligence and skill, and surrendered the game to an inferior side. Having that inconsistent pudding Stiles for referee did not help either. He is a real bogeyman! Looks like Lovenkrands will be it then – first aid only for NUFC, the sick man of Premier football. Ashley will not try and bring in Bruce and certainly not Shearer (who we do need) because he thinks a Coca Cola club will get him as much money back as a Premier side. Wise up Fat Ashley!

  • Doocey

    Jan 18, 2009 at 11:55 AM

    Comment #33

    Jonas has lost the plot and looks average?
    FFS he’s playing consecutive games ina row and is carrying a injury. Have some F***ing respect for the man

  • magpie6699

    Jan 18, 2009 at 11:56 AM

    Comment #34

    Hang on – i think we also need to be realistic here and i applaud Ed for saying this. I agree that Joe is an interim manager i.e he is not going to be here as long as Alex Rednose at Manyoo or Obscene Whinger at Arsenal. His age and general credibility are against that. BUT… where are the queues of top managers desperate to come to this club? Is Alan Shearer champing at the bit or giving ANY hints – other than saying he’s worried we’ll be relegated – aren’t we all? I think we must be about 3rd favourite for the drop now – at least if I were a bookie I’d make us that! I am going to make a deeply unpopular statement – which is that if appointing Allardyce was the worst thing we could have done (actually I put it second behind replacing SBR with Grim Shoemess), then getting rid of him AT THE TIME WE DID and with no guaranteed top replacement was the next worst thing we could have done. How many players have said it;s the uncertainty and chopping and changing that does their heads in?
    If we moan NOW at Joe, shout at him to get lost – and he went – where would that leave us? The time to change will be either when we have some stability in terms of the league – it could be in the summer or it may be we will have to give Joe another year. The only other situation would be the vanishingly unlikely one of doing a Citeh and being bought by Sheikh Yatailfeather who can stuff the mouths of top players AND managers with gold. And that’s no guarantee of success , as we see.

  • Matt Lacey

    Jan 18, 2009 at 12:02 PM

    Comment #35

    Personally, I disagree – but I can’t land the blame on Kinnear. I respect him for his passion, I believe he is honest and tells us what he believes is true, and that he’s doing the best he can. The fact of the matter is he is rusty as a manager, he came to us after 4 years out of the game, after being at Forest where a lot of their fans considered him an abject failure.

    The real problem here is the board. They’re clearly lazy and dishonest – Keegan was as honest and passionate a manager as you can get and you can draw so many parallels with the interviews he gave and the interviews Kinnear is giving – people were telling lies here but I don’t think it’s the managers.

    I’m not particularly a fan of Mike Ashley, maybe he really is that tightfisted but he’s just the owner – the real power is in the chairman’s seat and here we have someone who clearly has no idea how to run a football club. The little transfer activity we’ve seen so far has consisted of trials and reported bids for journeymen and some cheeky bids for highly rated players such as M’bia.

    I think some people are appeased by the club’s ‘youth policy’ but to be honest I think it’s a completely useless policy unless you balance it with significant investment in the first team. Personally I don’t see buying some Brazilian ‘wonderkid’ who plays in the THIRD TIER of Brazilian football to be a superb investment. A lot of people on this blog are crying out for Kinnear to blood the youngsters in the first team but the simple fact is that they don’t make the first team because they’re not up to the standard. Carroll’s getting games for us at the moment but that’s really because we haven’t got a choice, with the rest of our experienced strikers out and Xisco, so far, proving to be another pricey flop. He’s still some distance off the finished article, I think, and his presence in the team highlights the need to invest in a new striker as well as everywhere else in the team, especially if we’re not going to have Owen next year.

    Finally, I want to go back to Kinnear. Like I said, I respect him – but tactically he is a poor manager, I don’t think he’s a manager built to keep a relegation-threatened club up, and I think it’s plainly obvious that he’s not the manager to take us forward. The board’s decision to award him the job permanently is lazy and pathetic, and in my opinion every single one of them should step down.

  • NE1

    Jan 18, 2009 at 12:07 PM

    Comment #36

    I’m personally at the end of my tether with regards Newcastle.
    The club is rotton to the core and, as is, I can only see abject failure after abject failure to come.
    While Ashley, Wise, Llambias and Kinnear are at the club my passion and care is virtually non existant.
    3-0 to a side as poor as Blackburn is no longer a shock result.

    Big changes need making. And Ed – don’t think for one second this man Kinnear is anything but Ashleys mouthpiece. If fans want to voice their opinion and get him out – so be it.

    Kinnear – Out.
    And take the rest with you – you’re a joke and you talk rubbish daily.

  • KingKevwynyard

    Jan 18, 2009 at 12:11 PM

    Comment #37

    Keep him for two seasons are you insane !?!

    I agree now to sack now would be madness (wouldn’t be surprised if this plank did it though if had what he thought was better replacement!?), although to suggest JFK is even a medium term solution is utter tripe.

    We need some major luck to stay up then say thank u – adios.

    We can then have the usual summer expectation followed rapidly by the season over by mid September.

    I would hope that if Fat Mike knows he is here (god forbid) for the long term he has someone lined up already – and if that someone is half decent it will obviously be dependent on which league we are in.


  • joonzy

    Jan 18, 2009 at 12:14 PM

    Comment #38

    Doocey, Jonas has only been carrying an injury for a couple of games at most. I respect him, of course I do, at what stage did I say i didn’t? And yes, he does look average at the minute. I don’t know why but it’s a fact. He is playing too deep and he needs to get back to the player he was at the start of the season, playing offensive football the way Keegan had him playing. If it’s not him who is the cause then you can only look at the manager as the root of it. Fact is, he has about 3 assists and no goals, purely because most of his work is in our half. Every time we look to break, he is 30 yards behind the play, mostly be he is protecting the left back. At some point though, when you are a winger, you have to provide ammunition and score a few yourself. Under the current set up and regime he doesn’t look half the player he did in only a few games under KK. Thoughts?

  • Jan Stavik

    Jan 18, 2009 at 12:17 PM

    Comment #39

    Sure we should replace Kinnear, but now is probably not the right timing as no good manager are available.

    From the summer on we need a manager with some tactical and managerial abilities, a loose cannon like Kinnear constantly puts Toon in the limelight for the wrong reasons. I guess Sven will be fired from his job with Mexico soon, he would be great.

  • KingKevwynyard

    Jan 18, 2009 at 12:19 PM

    Comment #40

    “Matt Lacey
    I’m not particularly a fan of Mike Ashley, maybe he really is that tightfisted but he’s just the owner – the real power is in the chairman’s seat and here we have someone who clearly has no idea how to run a football club”

    Only the owner!?!!?! What the bloke with all the cash and the guy that makes all the decisions ?
    Ok then it aint his fault.

    Ashley appoints puppets and pulls their strings when necessary – in Llambias case this is not necessary as he has been appointed with the follow missive “sit there and sat nowt”.

    I asked for full say in transfers and wasn;t given it- that’s why I walked.

    This is all down to BFMike.


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