Continental Management Structure Survives At Newcastle


Derek LLambias has explained today that the Director Of Football concept will remain at Newcastle, with Dennis Wise continuing in that position.

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Dennis Wise– will continue in same role at Newcastle

Derek continued with his long interview:

“This Continental-style of football management was where we wanted to be and where we are now.” “It’s been torn up at Tottenham and they’ve dismissed it to go back to the old-fashioned style, but for us we still think it works.”

“The realistic side of football management is that it’s changing. You need to have the control of being more structured and knowing where you are going as far as picking players and picking youth is concerned.”

“We felt that it worked for us.” “It broke down between two of our main characters. But it’s working well with Joe (Kinnear) and, hopefully, it will continue to do so.”

“The manager still calls the shots. Nobody will come into this club that Joe doesn’t want. That’s been made quite clear.” “Dennis is our director of football. He is out there looking for players.”

“He wants young talent and experienced players. In this particular window, Joe gave him a list of players to go out and look at.”

“He is still part of our management structure. He will remain part of our management structure.” “When we pinpoint a player, Dennis will go in there as part of the negotiating team with our football secretary.”

“Myself and Mike will be on the phone and pressing the buttons as far as how far we can go financially.”

As long as the manager is responsible for all decisions on player personnel we see nothing much wrong with the structure that Chris Mort initially put in place a year ago.

But we think it was more of a culture and personalty clash between Kevin Keegan and Dennis Wise, that caused the uproar in early September.

When Kevin was at the club in the 1990s, he wanted total control, and that was not the way the Board wanted to run things this time around, but for whatever reason, there was a total blow-up at the club, and we’re still recovering from it. quite honestly.

Of course the popular press have had a field day this season with the Newcastle club, and it has definitely dented the image of the club.

Derek continued:

“Stay with us,” “Be strong, this is an incredible club and we need you to be behind us.”

“We’re putting our money up front and we need you to support us.”

“You can’t have it overnight, stay with your team.” “You’ve seen uglier football, stick with the team. We will get there.”

Most Newcastle fans will probably be willing give the regime a chance to get things right before next season, and it appears that the Director Of Football role is here to stay.

But isn’t it interesting that we tried to get Harry Redknapp in before Keegan was approached, because Harry has publicly said he hates the Continental approach with A Director of Football, as most English managers do.

When Harry was at Portsmouth the relationship with then Director of Football, Avram Grant, was strained before Avram went onto manage Chelsea last season.

So it would have been interesting to see if it would have worked under Harry – we think not.

Let us know what you think about all of this.

Comments welcome.



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78 comments so far

  • Phillippe Alberrrrrrrt

    Feb 11, 2009 at 10:31 AM

    Comment #1

    Dennis Wise and the Director of Football role should be destroyed. Fact.

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  • Kash

    Feb 11, 2009 at 10:32 AM

    Comment #2

    The whole concept of Director of Football is that they know the runnings of the clubs and the recruitment policy of the club remains consistent. I think I read that PSV have had like 10 managers/coaches in 20 years, but they only had 2 Directors of football in that same time. (Don’t quote, but something like that)

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  • RyanToon

    Feb 11, 2009 at 10:38 AM

    Comment #3

    DOF, not a fan of it personally

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  • jordi

    Feb 11, 2009 at 10:41 AM

    Comment #4

    Would’ve made more sense to get an older, more experienced manager with a reputation in as a DoF.

    Why Wise was appointed I’ll never know. He’s not exactly famous for his inter-personal skills is he?

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  • DanToon

    Feb 11, 2009 at 10:46 AM

    Comment #5

    Get Steve Bruce or Roberto Martinez in now, we are going to in the Summer anyway!

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  • PrinceMonkey

    Feb 11, 2009 at 10:46 AM

    Comment #6

    Phillippe – thats a fact is it? Seems more like an opinion to me

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  • murphy

    Feb 11, 2009 at 10:47 AM

    Comment #7

    Bad news today with joe needing an OP. All the best you crazy irishman, you’ll be fit and fighting in no time i’m sure, but newcastle isn’t what you need, you need to retire and enjoy your family.

    We need a new manager for the long term asap in my opinion, someone who will work within the continetal managment structure and work well.

    Good luck joe.

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  • Phillippe Alberrrrrrrt

    Feb 11, 2009 at 10:52 AM

    Comment #8

    Prince – Nope I can 100% guarantee that Dennis Wise should be destroyed. Maybe I was slightly over the top with Director of Football role but Dennis Wise……Ready……..Aim

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  • Kash

    Feb 11, 2009 at 10:55 AM

    Comment #9

    An up and coming manager would be quite refreshing to be honest. Especially if we’re trying to get rid of the big names/egos with big wages off our books and turn to younger players trying to make a career at Newcastle.

    Is Martinez actually any good as a manager? I know he’s done well in the cups, but thats all I’ve seen!

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  • PrinceMonkey

    Feb 11, 2009 at 10:56 AM

    Comment #10

    Fair enough Phillippe

    I do think he is a wee arse and always has been. Hated him as a player. It’d be interesting to know how much he is involved in player recruitment though. Did he find Jonas and figure out he could get him on the cheap? As much as he is an arse Keegan walked out on us and Wise might be the one finding us quality players?

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  • Spitfire

    Feb 11, 2009 at 11:00 AM

    Comment #11

    We do’nt have a choice anymore. We have to stick with the set up we have. Thats what we’ve got. Like it or lump it now. We just have to accept it and make it work for us. End of.

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  • cicero

    Feb 11, 2009 at 11:02 AM

    Comment #12

    Get Avram Grant in now. He’s a available and has a 70% win rate in the premiership and as you say Ed work as a DoF himself.

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  • bennytoon

    Feb 11, 2009 at 11:03 AM

    Comment #13

    I think the director of football can work as long as you have one who knows his stuff. I think it did work at spurs to an extent, we just had a crap manager in ramos.

    I dont think wise has got a clue to be honest. Frank Arnesen was good in the role bringing in lennon,huddestone, defoe, robinson and loads of kids who are topping the youth and reserve leagues. Commoli also did a good job to an extent. The role works abroad but it never seems to work here.

    With a part time manager in kinnear you have to go down this route otherwise all the players kinnear signs now will be shifted on when you have a new manager in the summer, which you cant afford.

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  • workyticket

    Feb 11, 2009 at 11:04 AM

    Comment #14

    It’s not about the job title itself, it’s about whether the DOF is merely providing logistical support to the manager “The manager still calls the shots” or the DOF is forcing the manager to accept players that the manager doesn’t want, like Comolli at ‘Spurs. The first would be very helpful to the club with it’s current policy and the extra scouting that requires.

    It can work, it looked like a complete farce at Barcelona when they had both SBR and Van Gaal at the helm, but they made it work because Sir Bobby was a consummate professional, unlike Keegan. As for Newcastle, our January signings were definitely more Kinnear than Wise, and despite the paucity of new players, they look like they could be a success.

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  • C

    Feb 11, 2009 at 11:04 AM

    Comment #15

    The thing is because we gonna stick with this type of structure. They same type of structure that almost every country has except England. Because of that we gonna need a manager that can work under those circumstances. With that saying every english manager will fail in this structure it will just be the same as with KK. Therefore we need a continental manager.

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  • MoorsleyMag

    Feb 11, 2009 at 11:09 AM

    Comment #16

    Bennygoon, why don’t you worry about your own team you’ve spent millions and are still bollocks.

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  • MoorsleyMag

    Feb 11, 2009 at 11:10 AM

    Comment #17

    Bennygoon, just wondering if the spuds have got a blog……………………………….

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  • Robby Bobson

    Feb 11, 2009 at 11:11 AM

    Comment #18

    DanToon – Martinez in definately. Young very successful at Swansea, has a great eye for talent and his team is Wenger style as every player needs to be good on the ball.

    I think the phrase DOF brings back memories of last Sept so i think maybe a re-assignment of Dennis Wise to a more manager-abiding title will get people to accept him better. If the manager says yes or no, then i cant see why this wouldnt work.

    I want the Keegan tribunal to be sorted, as Llambias suggested that the truth (well the other side) about Keegans departure will come out from Ashley.

    Although what qualifies Wise to negiotiate with teams? Identify and scouting players possibly, but somebody who has made a career on the football pitch needs to stay away from the business side.

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  • bennytoon

    Feb 11, 2009 at 11:12 AM

    Comment #19

    moorsleymag- actually we have spent millions yet remain in europe and are at wembley defending a trophy we won last year.

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  • Kash

    Feb 11, 2009 at 11:13 AM

    Comment #20

    The DoF structure works for Arsenal!!!! Wenger is the coach with the blueprint and Giles Grimandi is the head scout/DoF (If I remember correctly)

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  • DanToon

    Feb 11, 2009 at 11:13 AM

    Comment #21

    Kash – Martinez took Swansea from nothing to League One Champions to one of the best teams in the championship (possibly could be in the Premier next season) they play good passing football. Swansea are currently on a 30 game unbeaten run, He’s only 36 not bad a!?

    He reminds me of Barca’s manager, look where they are lol…

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  • Kash

    Feb 11, 2009 at 11:14 AM

    Comment #22

    Good retort benny, I like your intelligable jibes back at people, better than the insults!!!

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  • MoorsleyMag

    Feb 11, 2009 at 11:15 AM

    Comment #23

    Why do you actually blog on here, is it purely to get up peoples noses or is it cos the spuds don’t want you on their blogs as well….

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  • DanToon

    Feb 11, 2009 at 11:16 AM

    Comment #24

    Robby Bobson – 100% agree. He’s my first choice.

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  • DanToon

    Feb 11, 2009 at 11:19 AM

    Comment #25

    Robby Bobson – He prob would also work with a Director of Football too as he is Spanish. But knows the English game, perfect??

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  • vic

    Feb 11, 2009 at 11:19 AM

    Comment #26

    no way

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  • ObaMartins

    Feb 11, 2009 at 11:19 AM

    Comment #27

    Wise need’s the Boot and the next manager neeeeeeeeeds Control over the Player we bring in….and can we all stop attacking benny, he dont seem a bad chap just gets on here for a laugh….Lighten up People

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  • Kash

    Feb 11, 2009 at 11:21 AM

    Comment #28

    @Dantoon – Impressive record, maybe worth a punt to get him into the EPL.

    Whoever the new manager is, if and when JK leaves, I really hope they bring some top quality coaches such as a dedicated Defensive coach like Steve Clarke is snd was for us. Plus an attacking and tactical coach like Carlos Queiroz or even Steve Round.

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  • RyanToon

    Feb 11, 2009 at 11:21 AM

    Comment #29

    unbelievable

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  • Spitfire

    Feb 11, 2009 at 11:24 AM

    Comment #30

    Absolutely unbelievable

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  • Nick D

    Feb 11, 2009 at 11:24 AM

    Comment #31

    We should have a continental manager for a continental set up. There are no successful English managers, period

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  • Robby Bobson

    Feb 11, 2009 at 11:24 AM

    Comment #32

    I think we were linked with him before Keegan came in. It would be a very Ashley style appointment as well, cheap and long-term but with quality.

    Anyway for the moment with have Kinnear so guess wil just have to live with it. Although he is in hospital, we may need to find an interim interim manager.

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  • vic

    Feb 11, 2009 at 11:24 AM

    Comment #33

    The continental system cost us battle for relegation. The Club was nearly destroyed and this is THE FACT.
    we are surviving not because the continental system.
    we are surviving despite the continental system.
    IT IS A FACT

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  • WesToon

    Feb 11, 2009 at 11:26 AM

    Comment #34

    Oh God, here we go again,Kash defending everything bennygoon says FFS

    Kash what planet are you on,have you not read the posts where “your mate AO” disgustingly puts down Newcastle woman basically calling them whores & trailer park trash???

    For the last time Kash,benndyover shouldnt even get the chance to retort to anything said on this blog!!!!!

    This is an NUFC blog not teamtalk.com

    I mean the PIG comes on here first thing in the morning & starts mocking Joe kinnear & the situation we are in

    HE PLAYED OVER 100 GAMES FOR SPURS & he cant even say get well soon Joe,to me that is a sick sick individual….. END OF!

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  • vic

    Feb 11, 2009 at 11:27 AM

    Comment #35

    Cockney mafia OUT

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  • MoorsleyMag

    Feb 11, 2009 at 11:27 AM

    Comment #36

    I personally don’t think that it’s the correct time for a young and upcoming manager at this moment in time. We need someone who knows what it’s like to play and manage in the premiership and what it’s like to manage a below par team which unfortunately we are at this time and to me that man is Steve Bruce. All the best JK and take it easy.

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  • Hugh de Payen

    Feb 11, 2009 at 11:29 AM

    Comment #37

    I don’t understand the obsession with or the desire to emulate the ‘continental’ club structure.

    We should model our club structure on the best, which happens to be Man U.

    A trusted manager who has the final say that they’ll stick with for the long term.

    Villa seems to be going that way too and their success with the Lerner/O’Neill set up is evident.

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  • DanToon

    Feb 11, 2009 at 11:29 AM

    Comment #38

    MoorsleyMag – I sorta agree with you, I think Martinez or Bruce are realistic!

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  • Whumpie

    Feb 11, 2009 at 11:30 AM

    Comment #39

    Point 1: DOF works in theory and in some foreign clubs – but not here, where personality culture rules and a manager is seen as defining the character of the club. It will always fail.

    Point 2: Wise is a rubbish DOF. Lousy interpersonal skills, and clearly no good, as our last-minute window scrambles have proved twice now.

    Point 3: By sticking by the DOF thing, we are now in deeper poo because we’ve ruled out 90% of the candidates to replace poor JFK.

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  • bennytoon

    Feb 11, 2009 at 11:31 AM

    Comment #40

    westoon(my shadow)- ive got tears of laughter streaming down my face. You crack me up.

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