Bassong And Gutierrez Both Wise Signings For Just £4.5M


Derek Llambias has been talking again today to the Newcastle Journal this morning, and has revealed that Dennis Wise was responsible for bringing both Jonas Gutierrez and Sebastien Bassong to the club last summer.

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Sebastien Bassong – this player cost just £500K

But there’s no doubt that Newcastle have made some good signings in the last 8 months or so, and apparently we paid less than £500K for Sebastien Bassong, from Metz, and he has probably been our best signing, along with Jonas Gutierrez.

Although Danny Guthrie was also a more than decent acquisition.

The Journal is sayiung we paid £4M for Gutiérrez, which is a little more than we thought, but that would have been to buy out his contract presumably, at Real Mallorca.

Llambias today has said both of these buys are good players, and he’s right there, and both were brought in by the much maligned Dennis Wise:

“We’re excited about both players. What a star Bassong has been.”

“That was one of Dennis Wise’s signings, he was our cheapest signing.”

“You have to be brave to put him into the team but he’s matured. Jonás is exciting too.”

The three we got in January are also good buys for just £5.5M, so we’ve definitely done quite well in the transfer market these last two times, but we still don’t have enough players in the squad.

It will be very interesting to see who we bring in during the summer, and even who the manager is by then, although we expect Joe to still be here for the next couple of years.

Comments welcome.



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84 comments so far

  • Ben_BKK

    Feb 12, 2009 at 9:32 AM

    Comment #1

    Jonas showed his worth as well last night, scoring against France. And I wonder how long it’ll be before Bassong is in the French national team… it’s a wonder he’s not there already, with Boumsong in it lol

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  • sirjasontoon

    Feb 12, 2009 at 9:39 AM

    Comment #2

    Good Buys..but Wise is not the type of person we want at our club.

    Just seems we are trapped right now and it frustrates me.

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  • SpartanChris

    Feb 12, 2009 at 9:45 AM

    Comment #3

    We can only judge Wise on his signings and in the main, they have been pretty good. If he was still playing, then we would forgive him like we’ve forgiven transgressions in the past i.e. Bowyer, Woodgate, Barton, Dyer, Butt etc

    I’m not his greatest fan, but he is not doing a bad job.

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  • workyticket

    Feb 12, 2009 at 9:51 AM

    Comment #4

    Wise is doing a very good job, he’s chased more bairns than Gary Glitter.

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  • Matt

    Feb 12, 2009 at 9:53 AM

    Comment #5

    You can’t complain about the signings Wise has put forward. The only thing I’d say is we need one or two more in each window.

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  • murphy

    Feb 12, 2009 at 9:54 AM

    Comment #6

    I don’t get where this hatred of Wise comes from? are you all just looking for someone to point your finger at? someone to hate for the keegan departure?! all he’s done is his job and he’s doing it very well. He’s employed to get good young footballers at newcastle and that’s what he’s doing.

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  • neil

    Feb 12, 2009 at 9:55 AM

    Comment #7

    Have we all failed to notice then that Wise WAS/IS interfering with 1st team affairs then? In one breath Llambias (I hate even typing his name!!) states that 5.6m was spent on Xisco for the future and that Wise bought him which is what his job is. Yet he then states that Bassong and Jonas are Wise’s signings as well yet they weren’t bought for the future they were bought for now. Mike Ashley or Chris Mort I don’t remember which stated that Dennis Wise’s role was to scour the world for the best young talent yet he appears by Llambias’ (GRRR!!) own admission to be medling in 1st team affairs. I didn’t want to harp on about Keegan being right but judging by this interview he is.

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  • NotAGhostToon

    Feb 12, 2009 at 9:55 AM

    Comment #8

    eeesh workyticket, funny though lol.
    I think, and i’ve said it plenty, the structure is sound, it works as long as we have a manager who knows thats how its going to happen. Some may say the buck stops with the manager, so he should decide the players, however if an owner knows that the manager has had no choice of players then I’m sure he would be a bit more patient. Where we’re taking a risk is how many new players we’ve brought in, however if this gamble pays off this season i see a stronger season ahead next time round.

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  • Toon Graeme

    Feb 12, 2009 at 9:59 AM

    Comment #9

    Bassong was a signing for the future, but due to the fact the lad is awesome in his role – he has earned automaticed 1st team place and is now a bonifide 1st team choice.

    Im bored with all the Wise hatred. He’s here, we aint got a say in it, as is Llambias and MA.

    Bassong and Jonas are excellent signings so job well done thus far.

    Manager situ worries me more than Wise!

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  • rooks

    Feb 12, 2009 at 10:04 AM

    Comment #10

    can’t shut this bloke up now

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  • Johno Toon

    Feb 12, 2009 at 10:04 AM

    Comment #11

    Neil, bassong was brought in on trial first so keegan could have a look , no harm in that, but not sure about jonas but could of been as simple as wise recommended the player and keegan said yeah. We dont know

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  • workyticket

    Feb 12, 2009 at 10:07 AM

    Comment #12

    neil // Feb 12, 2009 at 9:55 AM

    “Have we all failed to notice then that Wise WAS/IS interfering with 1st team affairs then?”

    Keegan was out of the game for three years, so he desperately needed help. Holidays in California when he should have been catching up didn’t help either. Kinnear has a good working relationship with Wise, and was a top freelance scout before he came here. Hence, there have been no problems and Kinnear has signed his own players. Not bad ones by the looks of things either.

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  • stevt_0_3

    Feb 12, 2009 at 10:07 AM

    Comment #13

    I’m not a fan of Wise, but he is only doing what he is paid to do. The blame has to lie with the people above Wise and the very poor clarity of Job roles. For me spending £5m+ on a 21 year old he should be a first teamer not ‘one for the future’. Where does Wise’s recruitment stop and the managers begin?

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  • craig s chisholm

    Feb 12, 2009 at 10:09 AM

    Comment #14

    the whole wise thing annoys me, we will not get a real manager until his role is reduced back again to what it was suppoased to be in the first place. which real manager is going to be happy with players being sold nad bought without any consultation?? NONE, its why rafa is not re-signing now and its why the entire footballing world has turned down the job at newcastle and why we were condemned by so many senoir figures within the prem, peopel such as sir alex and arsene.
    i would be happy with wise if he just stuck to scouting, recommen ding talent and buying future stars for the youth team. That was his brief, its what he said he was doing, he even lied and said that ‘no way would he ever interfere with first team affiars’. well i call buying and selling first team players as a defo sticking your nose in.
    bassong is good though, jonas is good squad player though and nothing more. I think that we should re-educate jonas inot a wing back role, honest. he cant cross and cant score, whats the point in having him as a winger. He does get stuck in though and has great passion and heart for newcastle and has crunching tackles, i like him…. as a wing back.

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  • neil

    Feb 12, 2009 at 10:09 AM

    Comment #15

    Fair point Johno Toon – Unlike some of the others that get on here my comments are not meant to be confrontational but just to offer another slant on what’s being said. Regarding what you say there I just think Wise maybe muscled in a bit and we all know Keegan likes to control things. It worked the last time he was here and unfortunately it didn’t last time. Of course we move on but I think Llambias has got off so lightly with these interviews. A lot (Not all granted) of fans would love to rip him a new ass hole!!! I could’ve wrote the script for what he was going to say – especially regarding player recruitment!

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  • neil

    Feb 12, 2009 at 10:15 AM

    Comment #16

    Workyticket come on man. “Kinnear has signed his own players”. If you were happy with that last transfer window then you’ve got to be in the minority of NUFC fans. He was trudging around desperately on the last day of the window asking Spurs if they’d swap a want away Insomnia for Darren Bent. If you remember rightly about Keegan he also brought in Arthur Cox to help accommodate the fact he was out of the game. Anyway I didn’t want to rant on about Keegan but as Stevt_0_3 put it perfectly in my opinion, “Where does Wise’s recruitment stop and the managers begin?”

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  • Girth

    Feb 12, 2009 at 10:16 AM

    Comment #17

    hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
    I LOVE this story!!!
    Its official, Wise is doing a good job! But still, there will be the odd tool who say they don’t want him here cause he’s a ‘cockney’ or a ‘dick’ and would rather an incompetent half whit like Lee Clark doing the job cause he is a ‘Geordie’ and ‘understands’ the people etc etc blah blah blah…
    We have no idea what happened or what his influence was with the Keegan saga so what ever anyone says is purely based upon bigotry, however the FACT is that Wise has signed some great first team players & some great youngsters, and long may it continue!!!

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  • wags

    Feb 12, 2009 at 10:17 AM

    Comment #18

    people keep saying that wise was the reason that keegan left but has anyone thought keegan just spat it because he couldn’t get the players he wanted and that the players he wanted were unrillistic and when he didnt get his way he spat the dummy and left the players keegan was linked to and the ones he said that he wanted were older and cost to much to buy not the way the club should be heading

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  • square

    Feb 12, 2009 at 10:18 AM

    Comment #19

    so what? ppl tend to ignore what a manager could have done with that amount, could he have done better for the team that he is really concerned about as the burden lies heavily and solely on him.

    no doubt bassong is the next distin

    and gutierrez is good.

    but how much has dennis wise helped the first team. how many of those translate to points.

    the structure is wrong. prorities are wrong. you are a selling club buying cheap now to sell in the future.

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  • bennytoon

    Feb 12, 2009 at 10:20 AM

    Comment #20

    sirjasontoon- Just an observation but it appears to me that you never say anything positive on this blog. This could be forgiven if you made witty posts but you dont do that either.

    I have come to the conclusion that you are a sunderland supporter trying to stir up trouble. I have looked through your last 100 posts and they have all been negative. you are a cancer on this blog!

    ?Good day

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  • neil

    Feb 12, 2009 at 10:21 AM

    Comment #21

    Genuine question to Girth and not to be confrontational at all but please tell me what you mean with…. “some GREAT first team players”

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  • workyticket

    Feb 12, 2009 at 10:21 AM

    Comment #22

    craig s chisholm // Feb 12, 2009 at 10:09 AM

    “…i would be happy with wise if he just stuck to scouting, recommen ding talent and buying future stars for the youth team.”

    That’s exactly what he’s doing Craig. Kinnear signed our last three first teamers in January. The reason no manager wanted to come here is because Ashley looked like he was going to be toppled by a Toon insurrection (which meant total job insecurity for them) and the fans frightened them off.

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  • square

    Feb 12, 2009 at 10:24 AM

    Comment #23

    great players.. please don’t be in denial. bassong isn’t great.

    colocinni isn’t great.

    if anyone has followed colocinni career as closely as i have, he hardly gets picked for argentina.

    he got ousted from milan

    he plays at right back.

    xisco.. really? really?

    please don’t be in denial about dennis wise has come short where it matters.

    what makes you think others couldn’t have done better.

    fak sake wake up.

    faye wins more headers than colocinni.

    i believe if chopra had scored that goal against us. hmm how things could have easily been different.

    these stories about newcastle signing up startlets start turning up in ssn and other publications i wonder who told them maybe wise is doing himself some good pr! hahaha

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  • bowburnmag

    Feb 12, 2009 at 10:29 AM

    Comment #24

    murphy – speaking only for myself it’s pretty simple. I hate the little get because of his onfield antics, off-field speculation and the general opinions I’ve heard about him. He’s a/an (insert applicable expletive)…….

    Nothing personal mind and bravo for some of the guys he’s brought in. Keep up the good work Dennis.

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  • square

    Feb 12, 2009 at 10:29 AM

    Comment #25

    don’t be idiots managers don’t sign unrealistic players they might attempt to but he wouldn’t get anywhere. he would fail if he kept on doing so. don’t be so idiotic, to imply that. if you can come up with the reasons that it wasn’t because of wise you can surely think clearly enough that what’s the point of splashing the cash on one player when he well knows his team is short on all areas.

    how many left back players did we have at the end of window? ONE!

    right back? ONE!

    right wing? gutierrez one! geremi playing in cm.

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  • workyticket

    Feb 12, 2009 at 10:32 AM

    Comment #26

    wags // Feb 12, 2009 at 10:17 AM

    “people keep saying that wise was the reason that keegan left but has anyone thought keegan just spat it because he couldn’t get the players he wanted and that the players he wanted were unrillistic and when he didnt get his way he spat the dummy and left the players keegan was linked to and the ones he said that he wanted were older and cost to much to buy not the way the club should be heading”

    There’s something in that wags. All that stuff about Beckham and Lampard was highly exagerrated tabloid piffle, but he had trouble sticking within this young undiscovered talent brief. He didn’t really like the South American thing, and he wouldn’t touch any Brazilian player with a bargepole. He wanted established British grunters on high wages. They got frustrated with him and the relationship broke down by they got to the Xisco / Gonzalez stage.

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  • Whumpie

    Feb 12, 2009 at 10:38 AM

    Comment #27

    wags – you may be right, and perhaps one day we’ll find out. BUT I have a strong suspicion that JFK is being given some of the control that was denied to Keegan.

    I suspect that KK and Wise clashed and that it became a pissing match, with Wise going way over KK’s head on recruitment. Perhaps he’s learned his lesson; perhaps he just gets on better with JFK – but things did seem to change between the summer and January transfer windows.

    I think that, as is usually the case, all sides carry some blame, including Wise. He isn’t exactly known for his tact or ability to back down from a confrontation, and I can’t think of many people less suited to DOF role, which is all about people skills. Head of recruitment, yes – DOF and above the manager in the pecking order… god, no.

    As for the players we have, it’s mixed:

    1. Some good players, as Ed has pointed out.
    2. Some total failures; including some of those KK didn’t want.
    3. Two last-minute scrambles with notable failures to get signatures.

    Overall: good policy; wrong people implementing it.

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  • workyticket

    Feb 12, 2009 at 10:39 AM

    Comment #28

    bowburnmag // Feb 12, 2009 at 10:29 AM

    “murphy – speaking only for myself it’s pretty simple. I hate the little get because of his onfield antics, off-field speculation and the general opinions I’ve heard about him. He’s a/an (insert applicable expletive)…….”

    Wise’s Dad’s a major gangster too Bowburnmag, so be careful what you write 😉

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  • Girth

    Feb 12, 2009 at 10:40 AM

    Comment #29

    Neil

    Ok ok, lol maybe i got carried away with the ‘great’ aspect, but i think we can all agree that the players we have brought in are of a higher quality than the ones who they replaced or are leaving, and im confident this will continue in the summer.
    Obv argument about Milner and Zogs etc but the stats speak for themselves on them!
    To be honest, the brunt of my rant was purely out of detest towards the ill feeling towards Wise based on nothing more than he is a cockney (and a tit when he was a player granted lol). The bloke is doing a good job and personal opinions should take a back seat, that was what i was getting at.

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  • bowburnmag

    Feb 12, 2009 at 10:49 AM

    Comment #30

    worky – he won’t mess wiv the bowburn massiv.

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  • whenwillitend

    Feb 12, 2009 at 10:49 AM

    Comment #31

    we made somegood signings in summer and january window this is true
    the problem is as keegan stated the squad was too small to start with add in sales of milner,given exc we ended both windows 5 or 6 players short
    also this trend of waiting to the last day/s of each window to try and sign players is an insane gamble as proven in january

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  • neil

    Feb 12, 2009 at 10:51 AM

    Comment #32

    OK Girth at least you can say you got carried away. Not to get into an row with you I just don’t think he’s doing that good a job. On the last day of the window we are chasing 3 players. If he was GOOD at his job (In my opinion) this wouldn’t happen. Why were we selling Given to Man City for less than £6m then trying to get Johnson for £8m only to be turned down. We never play hardball in the transfer market. Look at the way Man Utd dealt with the Ronaldo situation regarding his move to Real Madrid – that would NEVER EVER happen at NUFC.
    We were raped on the Given deal and then laughed at trying to get some of their players. Wise is not good at his job and the problem which most of us (Including people who are pro Wise) is KNOWING what his job is. Not one NUFC fan could tell you 100% they know what his involvment should be in 1st team affairs. I think if we were all clear on his exact role a lot of the conversations about Wise wouldn’t happen as he could then be accurately judged on how well he has done his job.

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  • Stardust

    Feb 12, 2009 at 10:57 AM

    Comment #33

    ED – With the impending tribunal I would have thought you would now be more careful in your approach. Since the post KK hysteria you were shown to be little more than a sensationalist and YOU significantly contributed to the destabilisation of the club during this time.

    You stood accused many times by me, and others, throughout this period of having a negative agenda – yet you offered no answer.

    You repeateded daily blogs without foundation, the Mob stirred and despite myself, people like Workyticket, Punk Skunk, Dragonera(Spyro), Toon Chicken, and many others imploring you to be more balanced and see through your sensationalisms – you continued.

    I ask was this ego, foolish, malevolnet or profiteering? ( I could never accuse you of being lazy lol)

    Today you run the headline “Bassong And Gutierrez Both Wise Signings For Just £4.5M”

    The quotes and story released today in the Journal state

    ” If that appears to have been a mistake considering he only played his first reserve game this week, Llambias was quick to defend Wise’s record as he pointed to the rather more successful acquisitions of centre-back Sébastien Bassong and winger Jonás Gutiérrez.

    The Magpies paid less than £500,000 for Bassong, while they are understood to have handed over just under £4m for Gutiérrez. And, having brought them to the club, Llambias is adamant two of Newcastle’s best players this season will be there for years to come.

    He said: “We’re excited about both players. What a star Bassong has been. That was one of Dennis Wise’s signings, he was our cheapest signing. You have to be brave to put him into the team but he’s matured. Jonás is exciting too.”

    As you can see – the Article Claims “Bassong” was a Wise signing, they also in the same paper “state” Xisco was bought for the future – so you can read into that genuinely that Xisco was a Wise signing.

    The article states “Jonas is exciting too” and elaborates out of quotes that he was a successful aquisition. A successful aquisition does not make him a Wise signing. We dont know as has been stated what happened, please refrain from forming opinions about anything you have no knowledge about. As we know from previous official quotes, Wise negotiated to buy all players, so successful aquisition has been twisted into a Wise signing – and the Mob just love to hear that dont they – but it does get you more clicks doesnt it?

    I appreciate I might be seen as been overly harsh criticising you for this, but it precisely this that destabilised us in the first instance.

    I implore you to improve your articles to reflect actually what is being said, the Mob are the Mob and need no excuse for a fight with the Club. I ask you for the good of the club to pay a little more attention to the detail and apply thought before making your blogs.

    Other than that got to say, great job fella. (Feel like Ive just slapped my Grandfather lol)

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  • Greg P

    Feb 12, 2009 at 10:59 AM

    Comment #34

    Surely this is simple – Wise is supposed to bring in young talent, but gets paid £1m plus a year?! He has been getting involved in the first team though with players like Jonas who he takes credit for, but doesn’t take the blame for the lack of other talent. Either he stands up and says he’s in charge of signings and has failed miserably, or he’s scouring the world for youth and being over paid. Either way his role isn’t financially viable.

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  • Girth

    Feb 12, 2009 at 11:04 AM

    Comment #35

    Well to talk about the Jan transfer window and about transfers going smoothly is an oxymoron – the Edonda deal springs to mind – no one does that apart from the aforementioned teams, and to compare us to them would daft, were not them, plus, money spent on Diara? come on!!
    On Given, well, he didn’t want to be here, NUFC knew this but more importantly MCFC knew this, meaning they had the upper hand when it came to transfer fees! The polar opposite of why we got so much for Milner as admitted yesterday by Lambias.
    Agreed, to be doing deals on the last day of the window is idiotic, you would assume anyone half organised would have these deals in place before hand, but remember, teams don’t want to and most dont need to sell! It why so many managers hate the window and also why so many deals go down to the wire.
    ohh and not to condescend, but the Ronaldo Real link, i think it already did happen here, with Ginola and Barca, long time ago i know lol!

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  • Stardust

    Feb 12, 2009 at 11:08 AM

    Comment #36

    I find it amusing people have opinions on the Given deal without knowledge of fact. The fact the club have sold him tells you they got the best value they could. Could Shay of left on a Webster in the summer for less than they got? I dont know, but you can assume from the fact a new contract was offered that it would have been part of the reason.

    No one would want to get more money for him than the club, so get off you high horses in your bedroom and offices and stop twisting about stuff you know nothing about.

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  • The Real Entertainers

    Feb 12, 2009 at 11:08 AM

    Comment #37

    To be honest when Wise arrived, i just shook my head and wondered what the hell is Ashley doing.

    But credit to Wise i hardly see or hear from him and if he keeps producing players like Bassong and Jonas then long may he continue 😉

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  • THE MAGPIE

    Feb 12, 2009 at 11:10 AM

    Comment #38

    It seems that Guti and Bassong were put forward by Wise and Keegan had a look at Bassong saw he was a decent player and said yes but then Keegan had asked for 2 fullbacks and who did Wise put forward Gonzalez and Xisco-its clear KK didnt want either player as we didnt need another forward.
    The said players were signed anyway and dispute erupts over control of transfer policy.
    Were Nolan Taylor or Lovenkrands Wise signings?-if not why did Kinnear get the control Keegan wasnt allowed.

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  • batty

    Feb 12, 2009 at 11:11 AM

    Comment #39

    ED HARRISON you dont have to take that slagging off by STARDUST you know you can ban him seeing that it your blog

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  • THE MAGPIE

    Feb 12, 2009 at 11:12 AM

    Comment #40

    If Wise is chief scout fine but the Manager must have the final say-if he doesnt no Manager will touch the job.

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