This Is What Dennis Wise Does At Newcastle


Derek Llambias has today talked about the role of Dennis Wise at Newcastle United.

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Dennis Wise – responsible for scouting both young and experienced players

Dennis Wise will do a lot of travelling to check on youngsters and other players who may be able to do a job for Newcastle.

And it seems like his role does not just include scouting good youngsters to bring to Newcastle United.

Derek Llambias spoke to the Evening Chronicle today:

“He will scout young talent and experienced players.” “In this particular window Joe Kinnear gave him a list of players to go out and look at.”

“That would be senior ones for this window.” “The on-going thing is that Dennis has been out there with his team looking at young players for the academy.”

“These are players who will be built up through the reserves.” “So when we pinpoint a player, Dennis will go in there as part of the negotiating team.”

“Myself and Mike will be on the phone and pressing the buttons as far as how far we can go financially.’’

It seems that the role that Dennis has at the club is useful, as long as he communicates well with whomever is the manager.

Certainly it just didn’t work with Kevin Keegan, but it would seem that was because there was significant mistrust between the two of them. And we think there was more mistrust on the Kevin Keegan side of things – but that’s just an opinion on our part.

Comments welcome.



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145 comments so far

  • THE MAGPIE

    Feb 12, 2009 at 1:50 PM

    Comment #1

    Makes no sense to me did Joe really give Dennis a list of players TO LOOK AT on the 1st January-bit late in the day methinks. Doesnt he mean the next window.

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  • Toon_Sydney

    Feb 12, 2009 at 1:51 PM

    Comment #2

    This Is What Dennis Wise Does At Newcastle…Jacksh*t

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  • Phillippe Alberrrrrrrt

    Feb 12, 2009 at 1:53 PM

    Comment #3

    As long as the manager tells the director of football which players he wants and not the other way around then I can learn to live with it

    still not 100% on it though and certainly not sure on Wise

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  • Davies

    Feb 12, 2009 at 1:56 PM

    Comment #4

    We’ll have to wait and see who comes in as manager next. It may work, or it may continue to be a sticking point. Kinnear didn’t seem to mind, but I think he just wanted to get back into the game.

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  • Pons Aelius

    Feb 12, 2009 at 1:58 PM

    Comment #5

    I’m actually starting to feel sorry for Wise.

    His role at the club has been clarified countless times. He’s effectively the head of recruitment – he deals with players coming in and out of the club. He’s only doing his job.

    I love Keegan and would have him pick players over Wise any day of the week but it isn’t Wise’s fault that he’s been appointed in this role.

    The players he’s been involved with (Bassong, Coloccini, Nolan, Jonas) have largely been approved of by the fans. When are we going to give the guy a break?

    Until we know more about Keegan’s departure I find it hard to condemn him.

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  • apanzhafran

    Feb 12, 2009 at 1:59 PM

    Comment #6

    i think he did a good job, but he did it wrongly by doing it behind our manager!

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  • Ewan Kerr

    Feb 12, 2009 at 2:00 PM

    Comment #7

    What do you mean by “there was significant mistrust between the two of them, especially on the Kevin Keegan side of things” – are you saying that Keegan had a greater mistrust of Wise than Wise had of Keegan? How can you possibly know that, and why even mention it?
    Going out and looking at players is one thing, but buying them is another. I also thought Wise was responsible for selling players, he certainly seemed to take the credit when we sold Milner for what was considered more than Keegan thought he was worth. And we seem to be selling more than buying.

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  • stevt_0_3

    Feb 12, 2009 at 2:04 PM

    Comment #8

    Agree Wise is only doing his job but its still not clear if he chooses just the youth players or the senior ones as well. Also there is a lot of grey area. Is a 21 year old first team or youth?

    I think one reason why Wise is there is because Ashley and Llambias have little or no idea about how transfers etc work.

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  • Troy Stavers

    Feb 12, 2009 at 2:04 PM

    Comment #9

    Wise is just doing the role he has been asked to do. Whether he has the final say over managers we don’t exactly know.
    If he has, then I suggest Ashley is to blame not Wise.
    Indications from Lambias were that they were sticking to the Continental way of doing things which suggest he does have the final say.
    If so, I can’t see any manager worth his salt even entertaining a thought of taking the managers role of JK is too ill to carry on.

    Can anyone shed some light on exactly what Lambias said about this as I didn’t get a chance to read his full interview.

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  • THE MAGPIE

    Feb 12, 2009 at 2:05 PM

    Comment #10

    Perhaps an interview with our Director OF Football should be next-it doesnt bother me if he is chief scout but the question remains who has the final say-it seems to me Dennis can bypass the Manager and say to Ashley look i think Xisco is a good investment for 5.6m give me the money, but as a Manager you might not agree and be pretty pissed off if you need that 5m for a left back.

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  • Joseph

    Feb 12, 2009 at 2:07 PM

    Comment #11

    troy, there are plenty of contential managers who worked under directors of football (i believe most of the spanish teams use that system) so there are managers who would be happy to just be in charge of first team affairs and leave recruitment to other people.

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  • The Real Entertainers

    Feb 12, 2009 at 2:08 PM

    Comment #12

    Cant argue with Wise’s role, brought in Jonas and Bassong that we know of at a cost of 4 million, that wouldnt buy Bassong’s left leg now!

    Its the money men who need to be quicker and smarter when trying to negotiate a deal.

    We certainly appear to be slow in that department, leaving it to the last day / hours to be wheeling and dealing………Man U never do this!

    For me its work in progress, happy with all the players we’ve bought under ‘Wise’, not happy at the quantity.

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  • THE MAGPIE

    Feb 12, 2009 at 2:09 PM

    Comment #13

    Not clarified mate and to be honest with the way the transfer window went i still think they are making it up as they go along.
    Why were the bids on Johnson and Richardson put in on the 31st?

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  • Pons Aelius

    Feb 12, 2009 at 2:09 PM

    Comment #14

    THE MAGPIE – agreed mate.

    Wise needs to defend himself. I can imagine he’s feeling pretty defensive at the moment and just wants to crack on with his job, but if he came out and publicly announced that he reports to the manager (and not Ashley) I think things would run a lot smoother.

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  • geordie jock

    Feb 12, 2009 at 2:23 PM

    Comment #16

    Everything is just Lies to try and get the fans on side.

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  • Rodzilla

    Feb 12, 2009 at 2:24 PM

    Comment #17

    Pons Aelius

    ….just done a wiki on yer ‘alias’. Nice one. I know what it means now! Quite ashamed I never knew before ; )

    ……..right, back to work now…………..

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  • Tom4Nufc

    Feb 12, 2009 at 2:28 PM

    Comment #18

    I will judge him on this summer, if he does his job, Ashley does his and whoever our manager is in the summer assuming we avoid relegation does his. I will be eagerly aticipating next season though thats a LONG way away…

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  • workyticket

    Feb 12, 2009 at 2:29 PM

    Comment #19

    geordie jock // Feb 12, 2009 at 2:23 PM

    “Everything is just Lies to try and get the fans on side.”

    Aye jock, you’re better off sticking with the tabloids for the true picture.

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  • MoorsleyMag

    Feb 12, 2009 at 2:29 PM

    Comment #20

    Hello lads get ready for Bennygoon coming on this blog he’s spreading his sh*te again on the last one about the academy

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  • Toronto_Toon

    Feb 12, 2009 at 2:31 PM

    Comment #21

    I agree with The Real Entertainers about leaving things to the last minute. It can be necessary, but it’s a bad standard policy. It can leave a squad short throughout the window (as was the case at NUFC at RB, LB and CM), and takes a big gamble that you can actually get the players you need in the end.

    The logic of moving at the end of a window is that the club only pays what a player is worth. Unless a club is desperate, they always posture that they ‘don’t want to sell’, which means a buyer has to bid higher. At the end of the window, they can’t pretend any longer. Disgruntled players are shipped out (like Shay and Zog), and bargains can be brought in (see NUFC’s additions).

    But the same logic to getting good value applies at the beginning of a window. The best teams in Europe (like Man U) consistently get most of their players early in the transfer window. Getting them then leaves the selling clubs with the cash to get replacements in – one of the reasons that they don’t want to sell players that are settled.

    I support the policy of going after good youngsters and promoting from within though. Years from now, if Ashley’s still around, he’ll be lauded for having the vision to look more than a year down the road.

    Now he needs to bring in a good young manager. I think Ketsbaia might be an interesting option; Shearer would be a gamble, if he was even willing to come on board under the current regime.

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  • Davies

    Feb 12, 2009 at 2:31 PM

    Comment #22

    Has anyone seen this?

    Don’t know how much truth there is in it, but it makes for interesting reading.

    http://www.sport.co.uk/news/Football/14297/Villa_and_Newcastle_considering_Fred_raid.aspx

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  • Toon Graeme

    Feb 12, 2009 at 2:32 PM

    Comment #23

    Just as a point – what ever we say or do – Wise will not get sacked by MA. The only way this will happen is if the does something that would be classed as misconduct in his terms or employment or some other form or disciplinary system. If MA just sacked him Wise in effect could do a Keegan as it were and take NUFC to an industrial tribunal etc.

    Just because its football doesnt mean they operate outside of employment laws and such like.

    You cant argue he has done anything wrong with the players he has brought in can you.

    Im trying not to be arsey, but I dont know Wise, dont know about any of the hieracy of the club, its not my place to.

    I think this whole situ with Wise was exasperated by the Keegan walk out.

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  • Kash

    Feb 12, 2009 at 2:33 PM

    Comment #24

    @Davies – I saw that, would be worth a pop for nowt!!!!

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  • Davies

    Feb 12, 2009 at 2:36 PM

    Comment #25

    Not to pick arguments, but The Real Entertainers, when I sat up until silly o’clock waiting to find out who we’d signed on the last day of the summer window, all I saw was footage of the last minute wheeling and dealing at Old Trafford when Man United were signing Berbatov. I take your point though.

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  • The Real Entertainers

    Feb 12, 2009 at 2:37 PM

    Comment #26

    The thing with Fred is that whilst he may or may not be talented, he is seen by some to be a bad apple.

    We have just spent the last month getting rid of bad apples or at least players who didnt want to be here.

    I’m hoping we have a togetherness and unity now and no matter who good a players was i wouldnt want him coming here and upsetting anyone.

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  • Davies

    Feb 12, 2009 at 2:37 PM

    Comment #27

    Damn Straight Kash. On a free means he can join anytime he wants doesn’t it? He is on a free isn’t he? Be a nice get well soon treat for JFK.

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  • The Real Entertainers

    Feb 12, 2009 at 2:41 PM

    Comment #28

    Davies

    i take your point too 😉

    Man U nearly always do!

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  • workyticket

    Feb 12, 2009 at 2:42 PM

    Comment #29

    Pons Aelius // Feb 12, 2009 at 1:58 PM

    “I love Keegan and would have him pick players over Wise any day of the week but it isn’t Wise’s fault that he’s been appointed in this role.”

    Keegan couldn’t Pons Aelius. Although he’s brought some great players to this club in the past, he hadn’t so much as watched a match for three years by his own admission. He was also on holiday in California when he should have been catching up on his homework too. Kinnear, a top freelance scout, was an entirely different proposition.

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  • Kash

    Feb 12, 2009 at 2:44 PM

    Comment #30

    @T.R.E. – I heard that also, possibly could be an issue. Remains to be seen whether this is just speculation.

    @Davies – Unattached players can sign at any point of the season!

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  • Little Willie

    Feb 12, 2009 at 2:44 PM

    Comment #31

    It’s not Wise’s fault if the club doesn’t sign many top players because we don’t have the money to do that but Bassong and Jonas are 2 of the best signings we’ve made in the past 5 years.

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  • RyanToon

    Feb 12, 2009 at 2:45 PM

    Comment #32

    fred to the toon, hope so 😉 but its BS 😉

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  • Kash

    Feb 12, 2009 at 2:45 PM

    Comment #33

    The Brazilian lad we’ve signed is a player that JK scouted apparently!!!

    I read that he’d been doing alot of scouting in South America

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  • Ross

    Feb 12, 2009 at 2:49 PM

    Comment #34

    Kash-i sadly dont think we signed that young brazilian fella. brazilian geordie posted a piece on here that the lad had apparently written saying he didnt get his passport in time or something, and that hopefully we’ll still be interested in the summer. i’m sure we will be?..

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  • Toronto_Toon

    Feb 12, 2009 at 2:53 PM

    Comment #35

    Ross – I contacted NUFC.com about this, and they just gave an update on their website:

    “PS: In response to a number of readers’ email about Caio Ferreira – the Brazilian youngster recently reported as signing for us, we understand he’s been on Tyneside and is currently awaiting finalisation of work permit clearance. “

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  • chuck

    Feb 12, 2009 at 3:00 PM

    Comment #36

    He`s a procurer, he scours the world for talent, negotiates a price and we end up paying over the top prices for Enrique`s and Cisco`s, forgot the name of the other latino sick note midfielder.
    In other words he`s our bargain hunter
    But in fairness I think he also brought in Bassong, who has been a pleasant surprise, ah well cant win em all !

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  • workyticket

    Feb 12, 2009 at 3:01 PM

    Comment #37

    Toronto Toon, some good points, but some teams saw Newcastle coming, and knew the unrest in the background, and January is always a bad time to buy players unless you want to pay way over the odds. The Ebondo deal should have been tied up in good time, but Toulouse tried to play blackmail. Many players too, especially English ones, are reluctant to join the team at the moment for obvious reasons. This isn’t a problem that Man U have! If we’d have just signed who we could get regardless, then we may have been Allardyce all over again with his Smiths and his Cacapas.

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  • Kash

    Feb 12, 2009 at 3:01 PM

    Comment #38

    @Toronto – Thanks for clearing that up mate. I remember reading that, I think he’s awaiting a portugese passport!

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  • RyanToon

    Feb 12, 2009 at 3:02 PM

    Comment #39

    anyone think fred would be a good signing on a free? i do, he is awesome, but the must be some reason people dont want him? too much cash?

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  • Kash

    Feb 12, 2009 at 3:04 PM

    Comment #40

    @Worky – The difference between the players we were targetting and those that Big Sam went after and signed is the age!!!!

    Big Sam was looking at players who were 28 and above, with massive salaries. We’re looking for younger with lower salaries.

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